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Who wins?

1. Sabers
2. Force
3. All out

Canon only

Kyle takes the Force. Hes probably closer to Vaders level there.

Will still give Sabers to Maul, even though its difficult to know for sure when Kylo only fights Rey, so ill go by accolades and who visibly looks superior.

All Out - Probably Kylo.

Sabers - Darth Maul demolishes Kylo Ren, complete destruction.
Force - not enough from both of them
All out - Darth Maul destroys him.

Hell no. This film turned Kylo and Rey into Force gods. They shit all over Maul when it comes to Force power.

Not true? Kylo literally resurrects the dead.

Originally posted by ares834
Not true? Kylo literally resurrects the dead.

The lame fanfic character should take this, but pretty much all he does is lose in these movies, so I dunno.

Sabers: hard to tell, probably pretty even. Maul might have a slight edge
Force: Kylo rapes
All out: Kylo

If Kylo doesn't somehow rape Maul with the Force, then Maul overwhelms and destroys him in a lightsaber duel.

Quick Filoni insert an insane force feat for Maul in the last TCW season. Prove your Prequel characters are the most powerful!

Maul loses worse than he did to padawans

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Who wins?

1. Sabers
2. Force
3. All out

Canon only

Maul. In theory Ben should dominate with the Force, but his fights with both Snoke's guards and the Knights of Ren tell me he doesn't use the Force in combat much, he'd rather brawl. He'll try to out-duel Maul and lose worse than he did in TFA.

Originally posted by ares834
Not true? Kylo literally resurrects the dead.

"To cheat death is a power only one has achieved".
**** Darth Plagueis, I guess. Rey just learns how to do it on accident.

Kylo will do a few TK blocks of Maul's blade before he will die. He needed a distraction to kill by suprise one of Palpatine's creations, and then, having Rey supporting him almost die to some kind of guards of IG or Reds level. Maul was brave enough to challange Sidious and wasn't stomped as bad by his stronger version (zombie Palpatine stomped Kylo before even he drained him and got his power boosted).

Kylo should win pretty easily.

Originally posted by McP
Kylo will do a few TK blocks of Maul's blade before he will die. He needed a distraction to kill by suprise one of Palpatine's creations, and then, having Rey supporting him almost die to some kind of guards of IG or Reds level. Maul was brave enough to challange Sidious and wasn't stomped as bad by his stronger version (zombie Palpatine stomped Kylo before even he drained him and got his power boosted).
Have you seen RoS?

Originally posted by McP
Kylo will do a few TK blocks of Maul's blade before he will die. He needed a distraction to kill by suprise one of Palpatine's creations, and then, having Rey supporting him almost die to some kind of guards of IG or Reds level. Maul was brave enough to challange Sidious and wasn't stomped as bad by his stronger version (zombie Palpatine stomped Kylo before even he drained him and got his power boosted).

Zombie Palpatine is still amped by the Sith spirits.

Im guessing the Force healing is something Rey learned in the Jedi texts and that Kylo could do it because of that Dyad nonsense thing he has with Rey.


Originally posted by Psychotron
Maul. In theory Ben should dominate with the Force, but his fights with both Snoke's guards and the Knights of Ren tell me he doesn't use the Force in combat much, he'd rather brawl. He'll try to out-duel Maul and lose worse than he did in TFA.




Oh you aint so bad to Maul after all. And good points

Kylo turns him to ash

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh you aint so bad to Maul after all. And good points

I told you I like him. I just rate Kenobi higher.

Originally posted by Psychotron
I told you I like him. I just rate Kenobi higher.


Well tbf Kenobi got better and better for 10+ years post TPM, whilst Maul was in a straight jacket for 10 years, and then had to spend time just getting back into form.

But despite all that I just dont feel the difference was that big going by their Clone Wars fights, but do agree if anyone was better it would logically be Kenobi.

I don't think the difference is that huge, it's just that the Rebels fight was thematically and visually different from their previous fights.

Originally posted by Psychotron
I don't think the difference is that huge, it's just that the Rebels fight was thematically and visually different from their previous fights.


And the difference is probably larger by Rebels which I have no issue with. Just have an issue with how 99% of audiences would have taken that fight.

Not sure what you mean by that last part.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Not sure what you mean by that last part.


That 99% of audiences wouldnt have seen it as a Samurai type fight, which will be over in a few moves either way.

Instead they will just see it as Maul being nowhere close to Kenobi at all. Like Fisto against Palpatine.

Especially after they already did stupid shit to Maul in Rebels like having Kanan overpower him.

Kylo Ren takes all besides possibly Sabers.

Sabers: no way to tell
Force: Ren annihilates him

Conclusion: Ren most likely annihilated Darth Maul

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That 99% of audiences wouldnt have seen it as a Samurai type fight, which will be over in a few moves either way.

Instead they will just see it as Maul being nowhere close to Kenobi at all. Like Fisto against Palpatine.

Especially after they already did stupid shit to Maul in Rebels like having Kanan overpower him.

Maybe. But those of us who have seen Seven Samurai and Yojimbo will like it. And let's be honest here, Rebels is for kids. Most people think Darth Maul died in TPM.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Most people think Darth Maul died in TPM.


Well Solo tried to get a more people on board with that.

Not that Solo was a massive hit, but still had a decent box office gross relative to your average movie (terrible for a Star Wars movie though).

You should start a Maul fanclub with Quan.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well Solo tried to get a more people on board with that.

Not that Solo was a massive hit, but still had a decent box office gross relative to your average movie (terrible for a Star Wars movie though).

No, Solo straight up bombed. It had a budget of 275 million (not counting reshoots and marketing) and it made only 392 million. Theaters get at least 50% of the cut, so Disney lost 200-300 million on Solo.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No, Solo straight up bombed. It had a budget of 275 million (not counting reshoots and marketing) and it made only 392 million. Theaters get at least 50% of the cut, so Disney lost 200-300 million on Solo.


I know, was a massive flop. But we are just talking about how many people know that Maul survived TPM. So that was however many people it takes to gross just under $400mill.


Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You should start a Maul fanclub with Quan.

Quans hatred for me surpasses his loyalty to Maul.

Regardless hes still crying over Episode 9.

So roughly 40 million people then, though I'm sure kids who saw it had no idea who Darth Maul is.

Originally posted by Psychotron
So roughly 40 million people then, though I'm sure kids who saw it had no idea who Darth Maul is.


Yeah a lot more than number of people watching TCW and Rebels.

Star Wars is still an epic saga which gets reruns all the time. Darth Maul and his dual lightsaber is one of the most famous images from the prequels. And hes a fan favourite. So if those kids dont know yet, they will at some point.

Kylo wins but it isn't a stomp.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah a lot more than number of people watching TCW and Rebels.

Star Wars is still an epic saga which gets reruns all the time. Darth Maul and his dual lightsaber is one of the most famous images from the prequels. And hes a fan favourite. So if those kids dont know yet, they will at some point.

I doubt it. I don't know what the ratings were for the show but there's no way it was more than 1-2 million.

Originally posted by Psychotron
I doubt it. I don't know what the ratings were for the show but there's no way it was more than 1-2 million.


Yeah thats what I meant. Solo taught a much wider audience that Maul survived TPM.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That 99% of audiences wouldnt have seen it as a Samurai type fight, which will be over in a few moves either way.

Instead they will just see it as Maul being nowhere close to Kenobi at all. Like Fisto against Palpatine.

Especially after they already did stupid shit to Maul in Rebels like having Kanan overpower him.

Who cares? Casual fans may interpret the fight incorrectly has to be the stupidest reason I’ve ever read for disliking a duel.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Instead they will just see it as Maul being nowhere close to Kenobi at all. Because he wasn't.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah thats what I meant. Solo taught a much wider audience that Maul survived TPM.

Eh, a 30-40 million people out of nearly 8 billion... Not really that much.

Originally posted by ares834
Who cares? Casual fans may interpret the fight incorrectly has to be the stupidest reason I’ve ever read for disliking a duel.


I never said thats the reason I disliked the duel.

Just that I do have an issue with how theyve imprinted that on his legacy.

Originally posted by ares834
Who cares? Casual fans may interpret the fight incorrectly has to be the stupidest reason I’ve ever read for disliking a duel.


Also I guess complaining about ROS not explaining anything about Palpatines Return is fine because we shall find out for ourselves through novels, Eu and commentary right?

So yeah no your criticism is stupid not mine.

Bump

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Quick Filoni insert an insane force feat for Maul in the last TCW season. Prove your Prequel characters are the most powerful!
This aged well.

Kylo is still more powerful though.

I don't think it would be enough to make a difference, though. I'll take Maul via superior saber skills.