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Because she is a Mary Sue and the Force is female. KK wanted an OP female Jedi to push her feminist agenda. That's the reason.

Being a Palpatine shouldn't make her anywhere near as powerful as she is in these films. Remember Palpatine is supposed to be inferior to Anakin and Luke. The Palpatine bloodline is weaker than the Skywalkers. And the Jedi Spirits didn't help her until the end of this film (which further reinforces her Sue status).

RoS does try to explain it with the Force Dyad nonsense. But it's just that.... nonsense.

Not that strong? She has a single year of training but that's enough to allow he to accidentally blow up a large ship with Force Lightning. She randomly learns Force Powers for no reason like the mind trick in Ep 7. Or how about how she rediscovered some super force healing skill that Anakin the god damned Chosen One was looking for and unable to discover! In Ep 8 she was able to effortlessly moves hundreds of boulders with a single day of training. By comparison, Luke was barely able to summon his saber in ESB after he trained for nearly three years! And then at the end of RoS she was able to go Avatar state and kill Super Sidious. She is hilariously over powered.

Obviously we know shes a Mary Sue...

But Im just trying to put together the In Universe reasoning. Because yeah she got beat by Kylo in TROS, so that would suggest its just down to her being a Palpatine...

But how does that explain the stuff she did with no training? Are we sure different Jedi spirits were not helping her from TFA since she touched Lukes Saber? After all she did hear Yoda and Obi-Wans voices at that moment.

No reason to believe so. Like I said, if there is an explanation it's the Dyad nonsense.

The force is female. That IS the in-universe explanation as far as Kennedy is concerned.

Originally posted by ares834
Not that strong? She has a single year of training but that's enough to allow he to accidentally blow up a large ship with Force Lightning. She randomly learns Force Powers for no reason like the mind trick in Ep 7. Or how about how she rediscovered some super force healing skill that Anakin the god damned Chosen One was looking for and unable to discover! In Ep 8 she was able to effortlessly moves hundreds of boulders with a single day of training. By comparison, Luke was barely able to summon his saber in ESB after he trained for nearly three years! And then at the end of RoS she was able to go Avatar state and kill Super Sidious. She is hilariously over powered. Doubt she can replicate that lighting feat so easily. When a force user gets pissed off sometimes he becomes more powerful for a short amount of time (in Dark Disciple, we have also seen an angered Quinlan vos disarming Dooku, while just a few minutes earlier Ventress and him couldn't defeat dooku 2v1), Kylo even specifically said he was trying to anger her. I don't remember that boulder feat from ep 8 (I'm actually trying to forget that ep 8 happened). About your Luke comparison, well I'm pretty sure that's a bad feat from Luke. I remember there is this canon comic about anakin set more or less 1 year after TPM, so when Anakin is a padawan and goes on a mission to a snowy planet with Obi wan. Even his feats in that comic are far better than Luke struggling to lift his lightsaber after 3 years. Don't know, maybe just like in real life there are people who grow faster (especially in sports) and other who get there later. Even though the easy answer is that nowadays they CGI everything, while back then they had to find other methods to do this kind of stuff. And the Avatar state is not something she can enter at will either, just like Kanan couldn't do it at will but he happened to become uber powerful when maul was about to kill him. Well now that I think of it, Anakin was pretty lucky that during Operation Knightfall no Jedi in the temple happened to go avatar state and kick his ass.

(Edit: also, contrary to kanan, at least Rey died after using this power, or did she die to palpy's lightnings?)

Kanan just tripped Maul over a statue. Maul underestimated his other senses after he was blinded.

And as soon as he threw Maul, he himself collapsed.

Might have been a oneness moment, but a very temporary one, and in terms of power boosts, nothing that major tbh.

Originally posted by ares834
Not that strong? She has a single year of training but that's enough to allow he to accidentally blow up a large ship with Force Lightning. She randomly learns Force Powers for no reason like the mind trick in Ep 7. Or how about how she rediscovered some super force healing skill that Anakin the god damned Chosen One was looking for and unable to discover! In Ep 8 she was able to effortlessly moves hundreds of boulders with a single day of training. By comparison, Luke was barely able to summon his saber in ESB after he trained for nearly three years! And then at the end of RoS she was able to go Avatar state and kill Super Sidious. She is hilariously over powered.

To be fair the Avatar state kills her in a matter of seconds.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
To be fair the Avatar state kills her in a matter of seconds.


I thought it was the effort of deflecting Palpatines power that killed her.

Keep in mind that Rey was drained of her power/life force by Palpatine before. That's probably why she collapsed.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I thought it was the effort of deflecting Palpatines power that killed her.

Nah I think its the Jedi tbh. Palpatine's power never had to be absorbed by her ala tutaminis. It was the power required to deflect it that killed her imo. We probs won't know for sure until the novel/screenplay though

Why is this so hard to understand? She died because she used too much force power. This happens multiple times in these films. It happens to Luke, Leia, and Kylo as well.

Originally posted by ares834
Why is this so hard to understand? She died because she used too much force power. This happens multiple times in these films. It happens to Luke, Leia, and Kylo as well.

Not exactly sure if I like that tbh....I men I realize that it happened to Dorsk 81, but that was really like something of a special case. I can't recall anyone else just dying because they used too much power....it's something like out of DBZ or Naruto, using too much Ki or chakra= dead person...

She was born with extreme power. Just like Vaylin.

Originally posted by ares834
Why is this so hard to understand? She died because she used too much force power. This happens multiple times in these films. It happens to Luke, Leia, and Kylo as well. It was confirmed that Luke died in TLJ because he poured all of his living force into the cosmic force when he projected himself to Kylo.

I assume that expending their living force is also what killed Kylo and Leia... Not sure about Rey, though, but I'm guessing it's a similar angle.

So Qui-Gons exact words to Rey-

Every Jedi who ever lived, lives in you... We stand behind you, Rey... Rise


That sounds to me like more than just a one off amp tbh.

Kind of like Luke's "a thousand generations of Jedi live in you" comment.