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With Soule's new Star Wars series on the horizon, I figured that I may as well make a discussion thread for it...

http://i.imgur.com/Fe8m9rCl.jpg


*Starts January 1st, 2020.

Preview of issue #1...


http://i.imgur.com/vfEc9QBl.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/VMrJw1X/Star-Wars-3.jpg https://i.ibb.co/HTDjKk3/Star-Wars-4.jpg https://i.ibb.co/qYXg3FJ/Star-Wars-5.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Xb7cQ8F/Star-Wars-6.jpg https://i.ibb.co/sKd3YXJ/Star-Wars-7.jpg https://i.ibb.co/n6kctLw/Star-Wars-8.jpg


Interior art look great.

Looking forward to this.

Hmm... Not sure about this only because I loved Shadows of the Empire comic book.

Same.

I'm only optimistic because Soule is heading this up... His SW works haven't disappointed me yet.

Issue #1 (1/2):
https://i.ibb.co/z2MmPqr/Star-Wars-2020-001-013.jpg https://i.ibb.co/hZ7HVp4/Star-Wars-2020-001-014.jpg https://i.ibb.co/zF7S8bf/Star-Wars-2020-001-015.jpg https://i.ibb.co/5B3fHGw/Star-Wars-2020-001-018.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/59PtWhF/Star-Wars-2020-001-019.jpg https://i.ibb.co/hWWQCcy/Star-Wars-2020-001-020.jpg https://i.ibb.co/z8H69dF/Star-Wars-2020-001-021.jpg https://i.ibb.co/JnKCL3Q/Star-Wars-2020-001-022.jpg

Issue #1 (2/2):
https://i.ibb.co/GcvKYyv/Star-Wars-2020-001-023.jpg https://i.ibb.co/vjk8Z8v/Star-Wars-2020-001-024.jpg https://i.ibb.co/vHj9860/Star-Wars-2020-001-025.jpg https://i.ibb.co/J2hpWWM/Star-Wars-2020-001-026.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/x1pW4jL/Star-Wars-2020-001-027.jpg https://i.ibb.co/d038Rpd/Star-Wars-2020-001-030.jpg https://i.ibb.co/0Fn2qBS/Star-Wars-2020-001-031.jpg https://i.ibb.co/jkTVwxq/Star-Wars-2020-001-032.jpg

Nice issue

yeah this was great.

Luke's loss to Vader (and the "I am your father" revelation) cut him DEEP. It will be cool to see those long term effects explored further.

Hopefully the comics will redeem canon Luke

Nice feat him taking out a dozen tie fighters with the Force like that.

And yet TLJ Luke finds the idea of him taking on the First Order with the force and his lightsaber laughable

TLJ is the worst movie of the saga by a large margin

Interesting...


http://i.imgur.com/lNSoWYMh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/D0SCxeDh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KRb0gQSh.jpg

So there was some random Jedi conveniently hanging around on Cloud City during the time of ESB. And, instead of helping Luke fight Vader, he was just hiding around to catch the lightsaber. Wow!

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nice feat him taking out a dozen tie fighters with the Force like that.

And yet TLJ Luke finds the idea of him taking on the First Order with the force and his lightsaber laughable Are you really whining that TLJ didn't have retarded power creep?

Originally posted by ares834
So there was some random Jedi conveniently hanging around on Cloud City during the time of ESB. And, instead of helping Luke fight Vader, he was just hiding around to catch the lightsaber. Wow!

.....Yeeeaahhh....that's even worse than just being around in the galaxy during the GCW and not doing anything.

Originally posted by ares834
So there was some random Jedi conveniently hanging around on Cloud City during the time of ESB. And, instead of helping Luke fight Vader, he was just hiding around to catch the lightsaber. Wow! Hopefully there's more to it than that... Or if the Jedi WAS there the entire time, hopefully they had a good reason for not intervening.

It's just strange, because by RotJ, Luke doesn't have Anakin's saber any longer... So making a special trip back to Cloud City to collect it seems useless.

I hope it's Vos.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hopefully there's more to it than that... Or if the Jedi WAS there the entire time, hopefully they had a good reason for not intervening.

It's just strange, because by RotJ, Luke doesn't have Anakin's saber any longer... So making a special trip back to Cloud City to collect it seems useless.

I can't imagine there would be any reason whatsoever to not help a fellow Jedi duel a Sith Lord..

Maybe it was part of his training at that point?? Goes back to Kenobi saying "if you choose to face Vader you will do it alone".

So maybe Yoda or Kenobi specifically told this unknown Jedi not to interfere?

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
Maybe it was part of his training at that point?? Goes back to Kenobi saying "if you choose to face Vader you will do it alone".

So maybe Yoda or Kenobi specifically told this unknown Jedi not to interfere?

Well Kenobi couldn't interfere anyway given he was a Ghost. He referred to himself specifically.

"If you choose to face Vader you will do it alone. I cannot intervene."

I can't imagine that Obi-Wan would appear to this random Jedi.

Or maybe the Jedi just arrived on the tail end of the duel, that would make more sense, hopefully that's what happened.

Right, but I mean Yoda could have also gone with Luke and helped him take down Vader. But he didn't.

Maybe the same concept applies to this other Jedi??

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Or maybe the Jedi just arrived on the tail end of the duel, that would make more sense, hopefully that's what happened.

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
Right, but I mean Yoda could have also gone with Luke and helped him take down Vader. But he didn't.

Maybe the same concept applies to this other Jedi??

Yoda wasn't exactly in the best position to do so. His task anyway was to train Luke, not to go and fight.

That's a bit of a stretch, this Jedi seem fully able and ready to fight, but we'll see what's what I suppose in the coming issues.

Totally possible that this Jedi wasn't even on Cloud City from the start, and only arrived as their battle was ending. Heck, the Jedi may have even gone there specifically TO help Luke defeat Vader, but arrived too late.

...OR this Jedi was there the entire time, and Soule is about to introduce some wacky conjoining story. Like Zen said, it's hard to imagine a scenario where another Jedi wouldn't want to help Luke destroy Vader, but who knows..? Maybe there IS a good explanation and we just can't see the bigger picture yet. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Totally possible that this Jedi wasn't even on Cloud City from the start, and only arrived as their battle was ending. Heck, the Jedi may have even gone there specifically TO help Luke defeat Vader, but arrived too late.

...OR this Jedi was there the entire time, and Soule is about to introduce some wacky conjoining story. Like Zen said, it's hard to imagine a scenario where another Jedi wouldn't want to help Luke destroy Vader, but who knows..? Maybe there IS a good explanation and we just can't see the bigger picture yet. /shrug

Here's hoping it's the former rather than the latter. Otherwise......yeah.

Very interesting. Now I can start dreaming about him being Vos only to disappointed

Originally posted by NemeBro
Are you really whining that TLJ didn't have retarded power creep?


Luke progressing over 40 years would hardly classify as a power creep.

Not saying he should have taken out a fleet of ships with lightning. Or possessed by the power of all previous Jedi.

But just a showing confirming that he is THE Jedi would have been nice.

Originally posted by Galan007
Totally possible that this Jedi wasn't even on Cloud City from the start, and only arrived as their battle was ending. Heck, the Jedi may have even gone there specifically TO help Luke defeat Vader, but arrived too late.



Im thinking this. And he must have been quite far away to catch that lightsaber anyway.

It's possible that Jedi didn't intervene because it was Luke's destiny to find out that Vader is his father and lose an hand. If that Jedi came in and helped him defeat Vader, these 2 important events wouldn't have happened

Originally posted by Total Warrior
Very interesting. Now I can start dreaming about him being Vos only to disappointed The Jedi is definitely human, and definitely appears to have a darker shade of skin. So heres hoping.

Based on the solicits, it doesn't sound like we're going to get any real answers about this mystery person until issue 5 or 6.


Cover/solicit for #5:
http://i.imgur.com/BoDSvcLl.jpg



Sounds like it might be a woman, though, so there goes Vos.

Maybe Vos had a gender-swap surgery to avoid the imperials. A man can dream

Tbh the arm in the last panel looks to muscular to be that of human female Jedi . Maybe this woman is not related to this guy/girl

Yeah, but it also looks like there might be some boobs under the robes.

But you could absolutely be right. The Jedi who caught the saber and the woman mentioned in the solicit might be completely different people.

I hope they are different characters because that would be one burly woman lol.

I kinda doubt Vos would turn up post ESB for his first appearance since Order 66.

Its a little late in the timeline and he wouldnt have long to live as per Yodas line in ROTJ.

If Vos doesn't 'identify' as a Jedi any longer, then Yoda's line wouldn't apply to him anyway. Case in point: Ahsoka.

That is such a cop-out, I really hate that.

lol yeah they cant overdo that one.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
That is such a cop-out, I really hate that. Yeah, it really undermines the clear intent of the original films, wherein Luke and Leia were supposed to be the *only* force-users left in the galaxy by the conclusion of RotJ.

The EU logic is essentially: "When Yoda died, he just said that Luke would be the last JEDI... But Ahsoka(and whoever else they want to be alive during that period) weren't technically 'Jedi' any longer, so Yoda wasn't talking about them..."

ermm

Same thing happened in Legends.

Once again; this "problem" isn't exclusive to just disney canon.

Originally posted by Sheev
Same thing happened in Legends.

Once again; this "problem" isn't exclusive to just disney canon.

Never said it was a Disney only problem.

@TW, well with the way things are going we now have Cal, Ezra and Ahsoka. Wasn't there also some other Jedi? I can't recall the name, but still floating around.

I'm sure there will be more.

It just bothers me moreso that they say that they are not Jedi, but just saying you aren't one doesn't mean that you stop being a Jedi, if one truly didn't want to be one, they wouldn't wield their lightsabers or use The Force at all, nor even want to train or guide others.

Yeah sure, I guess with the Jedi Order gone you're technically not a Jedi in an official sense....but you can apply that to even the likes of Yoda and Obi-Wan then.

Canon and Legends both established that it was possible to be force sensitive without being descended directly from force sensitives. Legends with Outbound Flight (and the jedi holocrons containing the force-sensitive children and stuff) and Canon with TCW/Fallen Order.

That already creates problems with the original trilogy which leads you to believe that there's somehow only 2 people in the entire galaxy of who knows how many -illions of people who could become jedi and save the galaxy.

Seems that Luke will be using a yellow saber in issue #6:

http://i.imgur.com/a6MNU0Il.png

Originally posted by Zenwolf

It just bothers me moreso that they say that they are not Jedi, but just saying you aren't one doesn't mean that you stop being a Jedi, if one truly didn't want to be one, they wouldn't wield their lightsabers or use The Force at all, nor even want to train or guide others.




Yeah having them all say we no longer consider ourselves Jedi is kinda a cop out way to get past Yodas line to Luke in ROTJ.

Even then Ezra never gave up on being a Jedi.

As for Cal something will have to happen to him. You cant just have all these Jedi (or non Jedi lightsiders with Jedi training), not joining/helping the Rebellion or later the Resistance.

Originally posted by Galan007
Seems that Luke will be using a yellow saber in issue #6:

http://i.imgur.com/a6MNU0Il.png Where in the **** is he finding these random sabers?

Probably from the unknown Jedi.

Originally posted by Galan007
Seems that Luke will be using a yellow saber in issue #6:

http://i.imgur.com/a6MNU0Il.png when is it coming out?

^ May 27th.

Solicits:

Please Be Vos Please Be Vos Please Be Vos

Regarding this new saber, I just remembered that in The Rise of Kylo Ren #2, Luke told Ben about a lightsaber he had once found during a past adventure:

http://i.imgur.com/KKS5mnah.jpg


So I imagine these issues will expand on that story...

Originally posted by Total Warrior
Please Be Vos Please Be Vos Please Be Vos


No they are saving Vos for something special. Something so special and secretive we will never get to see it.

Issue #3:
https://i.ibb.co/cJQLxbv/Star-Wars-2020-003-012.jpg https://i.ibb.co/44Frpxh/Star-Wars-2020-003-013.jpg https://i.ibb.co/hY06zYW/Star-Wars-2020-003-015.jpg https://i.ibb.co/1Jx56Bx/Star-Wars-2020-003-016.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/Bf6qqqs/Star-Wars-2020-003-017.jpg https://i.ibb.co/C2wGkJ5/Star-Wars-2020-003-018.jpg https://i.ibb.co/YT38gqM/Star-Wars-2020-003-019.jpg https://i.ibb.co/64mV0Wf/Star-Wars-2020-003-020.jpg

....Seriously?

Leia being frozen in carbonite is effing stupid.

It just creates another unneeded sub-plot when there's already MORE than enough going on. ermm

So nothing on the new Jedi? That sucks.

Originally posted by Galan007
Leia being frozen in carbonite is effing stupid.

It just creates another unneeded sub-plot when there's already MORE than enough going on. ermm

It's not just that...but please tell me there's more of a reason to go back to Bespin other than to get back Luke's lightsaber? If not that's even more stupid.

Plus Lando specifically said that the freezing chamber wasn't meant to freeze humans, just because it worked on Han, doesn't mean it's gonna work on everyone...that easily could kill Leia.

I mean obviously it won't because plot, but still.

Don't get me wrong, I think freezing Leia is Carbonite is stupid as all hell... But the entire reason why Vader froze Han was to test the Bespin freezing chamber and ensure it was "safe" for humans so that there would be little to no risk when he tried to do the same to Luke.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
It's not just that...but please tell me there's more of a reason to go back to Bespin other than to get back Luke's lightsaber? If not that's even more stupid. Lando also wanted to go back so that he could supposedly liberate the city.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lando also wanted to go back so that he could supposedly liberate the city.

Ok well that's something I guess.

Also @Ares true, I did forget that tid bit.

Issue #4:
https://i.ibb.co/RpLYvFy/Star-Wars-2020-004-008.jpg https://i.ibb.co/DwhkHHH/Star-Wars-2020-004-009.jpg https://i.ibb.co/hBMtHKt/Star-Wars-2020-004-010.jpg https://i.ibb.co/K2x14db/Star-Wars-2020-004-011.jpg https://i.ibb.co/3fKkGs0/Star-Wars-2020-004-012.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/MMJHm1z/Star-Wars-2020-004-013.jpg https://i.ibb.co/K2MWN7Y/Star-Wars-2020-004-014.jpg https://i.ibb.co/QNLnZsf/Star-Wars-2020-004-015.jpg https://i.ibb.co/M23KLXr/Star-Wars-2020-004-016.jpg



And the unknown Force user who has been calling to Luke is female:
https://i.ibb.co/5Fd7Mm7/Star-Wars-2020-004-020.jpg

Rip Vos theory. Uff maybe to evade the empire he had surgery and changes his gender

Maybe it's Ahsoka

So the woman caught his saber, but then threw it back into the junk heap?

wtf?

Originally posted by Galan007
Lando also wanted to go back so that he could supposedly liberate the city.

I know this is old, but didn't that happen in "Uprising"?

So the Jedi that Luke has been seeing in his visions is evidently Verla:
https://i.ibb.co/9NdRzT2/Star-Wars-2020-005-014.jpg https://i.ibb.co/R0V5p0c/Star-Wars-2020-005-015.jpg https://i.ibb.co/FX4pg7f/Star-Wars-2020-005-016.jpg https://i.ibb.co/LZgwLVg/Star-Wars-2020-005-017.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/GWCsPKV/Star-Wars-2020-005-018.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Cs2kwwk/Star-Wars-2020-005-019.jpg https://i.ibb.co/5M5FtpT/Star-Wars-2020-005-020.jpg https://i.ibb.co/vDY1RjT/Star-Wars-2020-005-021.jpg


And if you recall, Verla was one of Ferren Barr's 'students' back in Soule's Darth Vader series:
https://i.ibb.co/z2Pw2jB/Darth-Vader-2017-017-004.jpg

Yeah.. was she trained by Vos then? She had too look for someone to finish her training, and Yoda/Kenobi are very unlikely

Or she wasn't able to find anyone, and just went into exile. /shrug

Would be cool if it was revealed that Vos had trained her, but I doubt that will happen. He force powers probably just developed naturally over the years with personal training and such.

Good issue though

Yeah good issue. When is the next one due to come out Galan?

September 9th.

Oh so much time, covid could take me by then

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
Would be cool if it was revealed that Vos had trained her, but I doubt that will happen. He force powers probably just developed naturally over the years with personal training and such.

Good issue though Could be possible. Still, the fact that now she kinda "despises" the Jedi, and that she recognized the "do or do not" quote, makes me think she was actually trained by someone, who possibly died, leading her to consider the jedi fool. Which means rip my boy quinlan if he's really her master

Originally posted by Total Warrior
Could be possible. Still, the fact that now she kinda "despises" the Jedi, and that she recognized the "do or do not" quote, makes me think she was actually trained by someone, who possibly died, leading her to consider the jedi fool. Which means rip my boy quinlan if he's really her master Yoda trained all the younglings at the Jedi temple, so I'm sure Ferren had heard the "do or do not" phrase before and probably passed it down to his own students.

And Verla is probably disgusted by the Jedi because of their massive failure during TCW, which led to them nearly becoming extinct.

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
Yoda trained all the younglings at the Jedi temple, so I'm sure Ferren had heard the "do or do not" phrase before and probably passed it down to his own students. Definitely possible. Barr was an actual PT Padawan, with actual Jedi Temple training(he even commented on having sparred against Anakin in the past.) And since Yoda helped train all the younglings, Barr would have definitely been among them, and almost certainly heard that line at some point.

So it would make sense for him to use that phrase while training his own students.

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
And Verla is probably disgusted by the Jedi because of their massive failure during TCW, which led to them nearly becoming extinct. Yeah, and Barr really drove home how complete the Order's failure was while he was training Verla. Makes sense that she'd still be extremely disillusioned with the Jedi.

Originally posted by Total Warrior
Could be possible. Still, the fact that now she kinda "despises" the Jedi, and that she recognized the "do or do not" quote, makes me think she was actually trained by someone, who possibly died, leading her to consider the jedi fool. Which means rip my boy quinlan if he's really her master Hopefully she just wasn't able to find any other survivors and went into exile.

But on the same note, Verla was still able to communicate with Luke from across the galaxy... So if she has that kind of power, I don't know why she wouldn't have been able to make contact with other Jedi..? /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Hopefully she just wasn't able to find any other survivors and went into exile.

But on the same note, Verla was still able to communicate with Luke from across the galaxy... So if she has that kind of power, I don't know why she wouldn't have been able to make contact with other Jedi..? /shrug I'd rather not have them use any other pt Jedi in this. At least right now.

So it's Verla huh?

Interesting. Should have guessed that Soule would include characters he's teased in previous stories.

Issue #6 preview:
https://i.ibb.co/Qn060VV/star-wars-6-page-2.jpg https://i.ibb.co/fG2Q2Y2/star-wars-6-page-3.jpg https://i.ibb.co/LpxMVJX/star-wars-6-page-4.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Hx6SgnD/star-wars-6-page-5.jpg

R2 is the MVP of the whole series. He's saved pretty much every hero in the saga.

Still pretty impressive that she managed to evade Vader and the Inquisitors for so long, considering they were actively hunting her.

and if she never got any training after Barr, I'm curious how she was able to communicate with Luke through the force?

New issue came out today. Luke and Verla parted on good terms, after she told Luke where to find an old High Republic Jedi outpost.

Luke found a lightsaber there, as well as a trap laid by Vader. The Grand Inquisitor, as a flaming revenant, attacked Luke. Luke defeated the shade of the dead Inquisitor before returning to join up with the Rebels and try to renew their dwindling hope.

We also get a scene of Vader talking to the Grand Inquisitor, where the Inquisitor mentions how powerful Luke was and Vader basically tells the Inquisitor that his punishment is to remain. The Grand Inquisitor fades away while echoing his last words to Kanan.

Nothing in the comic states or implies that the Grand Inquisitor is weaker or less skilled. The way I see it, Vader basically restored the GI to how he was at the time of his death and is perpetually keeping him in that state (really cool Sith sorcery feat for Vader, btw. Matches with Vader's obsession with overcoming death).

So, if my theory is correct, Luke bested a fully capable revenant of the Grand Inquisitor, giving Luke a pretty decent scaling chain to fit into the Pre-ANH era. It is worth pointing out that Luke didn't stomp him. The GI caught Luke off guard with the secondary blade of his lightsaber, and also landed a kick towards the end of the fight. But then Luke immediately slapped him down with a Force push and cut off the Inquisitor's hand. And before the Inquisitor used his second blade, Luke seemed to have the edge in the duel (despite the Inquisitor mocking Luke's poor form).

Any news from this series?

Nothing noteworthy in the last issue.

It's set retroactively, sometime pre-ANH.

A rare mention of Thrawn outside of Rebels:

https://i.ibb.co/pz614GZ/Star-Wars-2020-008-002.jpg

Vader having a chat with Palps right after Bespin doesn't make any sense continuity wise. We know from Vader#1 that he went on his personal mission imediatly after ESB.

Yeah, it's strange. Soule and Pak need to get on the same page.

DV #1 tells us that Vader basically went AWOL right after the events of ESB, and had no communication with Palpatine.

But this issue seems to have taken place right after ESB, and we see Vader having a convo with Palpatine in person. Doesn't make sense.

At first I assumed it took place just after the battle of Hoth(which would still fit with the timeline), but the opening text box says "After Cloud City", which muddies the waters quite a bit.

I'm under the assumption that the Darth Vader comic by Pak takes place within the first few days after ESB, while the Star Wars comic by Soule has more time between events. By the time Luke has his lightsaber and fights the Grand Inquisitor, the events of Pak's Darth Vader comic are probably already wrapped up.

I don't think so. In Star Wars #5 Vader kills a guy who pretented to be Luke and then tells his troopers that he has some business on Vendaxa (the planet where he meets Sabe).

Originally posted by Underachiever59
I'm under the assumption that the Darth Vader comic by Pak takes place within the first few days after ESB, while the Star Wars comic by Soule has more time between events. By the time Luke has his lightsaber and fights the Grand Inquisitor, the events of Pak's Darth Vader comic are probably already wrapped up. What muddles things in SW #8 is the text box that says "After Cloud City", along with Vader's dialogue regarding the recent battle of Hoth. Imo, this implies that the issue is set right after ESB.

As mentioned above, that doesn't fit with the plot of DV #1, as immediately after the events of Cloud City/ESB, Vader went off the grid and ceased all correspondence with Palpatine to go on his own personal mission.

Take the "After Cloud City" blurb out of the equation, however, and it would fit just fine, as there was time between the battle of Hoth and the conclusion of ESB(wherein Vader could have certainly met with Palpatine.)

Luke is still training himself:
https://i.ibb.co/Mfp9Zzj/star-wars-13-Preview-2.jpg https://i.ibb.co/bNpGnWp/star-wars-13-Preview-3.jpg https://i.ibb.co/2ZzqH8T/star-wars-13-Preview-4.jpg https://i.ibb.co/GR55TyY/star-wars-13-Preview-5-1.jpg

Cool to see Luke rather casually handling at least nine training remotes. I'm glad we're still getting glimpses of Luke's intensive training. We've not really seen any other Jedi from the Prequels training against more than one remote at a time, much less nine.

He was training hard against remotes in one of the early canon novels set shortly after ANH IIRC.

In a Temple he stumbled upon.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He was training hard against remotes in one of the early canon novels set shortly after ANH IIRC.

In a Temple he stumbled upon. The Weapon of a Jedi (2015)

SW #11:
https://i.ibb.co/1QL6rv8/Star-Wars-2020-013-009.jpg https://i.ibb.co/0GLQ2k9/Star-Wars-2020-013-010.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Z2KhprD/Star-Wars-2020-013-011.jpg https://i.ibb.co/x3LvtP9/Star-Wars-2020-013-012.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/nRhg6MC/Star-Wars-2020-013-015.jpg https://i.ibb.co/qrYzKf7/Star-Wars-2020-013-016.jpg https://i.ibb.co/hfK0tWX/Star-Wars-2020-013-017.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Vp6GYj7/Star-Wars-2020-013-018.jpg


Also, R2 has inextricably acquired the locations of numerous Jedi outposts across the galaxy(which Luke is now aware of and wants to track down):
https://i.ibb.co/qRHgCT0/Star-Wars-2020-013-019.jpg https://i.ibb.co/DwWFXRq/Star-Wars-2020-013-020.jpg


Depending on what Luke discovers/unlocks, this could help explain some of his exponential growth between ESB and RotJ.

Some interesting solicits...


Issue #19:
https://i.ibb.co/vw90kwt/1.jpg https://i.ibb.co/YfPNx84/2.jpg




Issue #20:
https://i.ibb.co/CtcDcmQ/3.jpg




So Luke has finally come to the realization that if he is to defeat Vader, he needs additional Jedi training... So I'm curious what he learns from Yoda's holocron.

Also digging the Jedi garb he's wearing in those covers.

"But the lesson Luke must learn will not be taught by Yoda, and it will take -- and give -- more than the young Skywalker could ever have imagined."


Curiouser and curiouser........

Must be one hell of a lesson for Luke to bridge the current gap between he and Vader considering we are very close to ROTJ in the timeline.

The comics make it clear that Luke's power has passively grown by a considerable margin since ESB. And that's with no real training to speak of. So the "lesson" might give him that extra nudge he needs to reach Vaders level.

That's what I'm saying. As of the latest issue Luke still fears Vader and knows he cannot beat him in another confrontation..And we have to be VERY close to the events of ROTJ at this point.

So whatever lesson Luke learns in these issues will need to give him a helluva boost to make him Vader's equal.

The fact Sidious could outright ragdoll Vader is ****ing monstrous.

Especially when new canon has consistently shown Vader himself to be an absolute BEAST with virtually no low showings across all media. That in itself is extremely rare.

And Sidious casually raped him.

Originally posted by Sheev
So whatever lesson Luke learns in these issues will need to give him a helluva boost to make him Vader's equal.


Well equal to a conflicted ROTJ Vader.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well equal to a conflicted ROTJ Vader.

The "conflicted" argument doesn't hold as much water in canon as it did in Legends. Beware the Power of the Dark Side pretty much explicitly spells out that Vader is fueled by hatred during that fight, and eventually draws "additional strength" from fear once Luke snaps.

Besides, it's always been just as easy to argue that Luke is equally conflicted, if not more conflicted ("I will not fight you," "I can't kill my own father," "I will not fight, and you'll be forced to kill me," ect). The fact is, it was always George Lucas's intent for RotJ Luke to be Vader's equal. It's even just outright stated in the RotJ script. Does it cause weird inconsistencies? Definitely. But that's just how Star Wars is.

Originally posted by Underachiever59
The "conflicted" argument doesn't hold as much water in canon as it did in Legends. Beware the Power of the Dark Side pretty much explicitly spells out that Vader is fueled by hatred during that fight, and eventually draws "additional strength" from fear once Luke snaps.

In Beware the Power of the Dark Side, Vader had to fight the urge to immediately slaughter Luke out of hatred, when they first encountered one another:

"There he is! Defenseless. No visible weapon. Dressed in black cloth, no armor. Ah, yes, the boy has two hands again. But the hands are bound. Vader could end all this right now. He could strike Luke down and be done--if not for his master's orders. He certainly feels enough hate to do it."


Moreover, during Luke's initial "I can feel the good in you. The conflict..." speech on the moon of Endor, the novel explicitly states that Vader was able to immerse himself in the dark side to suppress any emotional conflict he might've been experiencing at the time:

"The dark side is strong. Vader uses it to close off the questions, the memories, the hopes. The dark truths are true again."


And during their actual fight, the novel further notes that Vader was fueling himself with hatred(and later fear) the entire time:

"He blocks attack after attack but is pushed back farther each time. Always fueled by hatred, he now gathers additional strength from fear..."


...And this also aligns with what we are learning about Vader's current mentality in the comics(which are likely set just a few months before RotJ at this point): He fears Luke. He hates Luke. He wants Luke dead.


tl;dr
As of now, new canon hasn't really indicated that Vader's abilities were gimped as a result of his inner/suppressed conflict during RotJ. Quite the opposite, actually.

Originally posted by Underachiever59
The "conflicted" argument doesn't hold as much water in canon as it did in Legends. Beware the Power of the Dark Side pretty much explicitly spells out that Vader is fueled by hatred during that fight, and eventually draws "additional strength" from fear once Luke snaps.

Besides, it's always been just as easy to argue that Luke is equally conflicted, if not more conflicted ("I will not fight you," "I can't kill my own father," "I will not fight, and you'll be forced to kill me," ect). The fact is, it was always George Lucas's intent for RotJ Luke to be Vader's equal. It's even just outright stated in the RotJ script. Does it cause weird inconsistencies? Definitely. But that's just how Star Wars is.


I mean neither Lucas canon, Legends or Disney Canon can change the film. The film where Luke senses Vaders conflict during the fight. And even Palpatine suspects that conflict earlier on in the film.

Lukes conflict was to a much lesser extent though. Because Luke wasnt conflicted over which side he should be on. He was certain he wanted to be a Jedi and protect the Rebellion. Otherwise yeah, in terms of fighting each other, both were holding back to an extent.

There also is evidence in Disney canon to suggest Vader was conflicted over Luke.

Also if you want to bring up George Lucas intent, no point in doing so without bringing up that he makes clear in the ROTJ commentary (scene where Luke vists Yoda), that Luke hasnt had enough training to rival Vader.

Honestly I dont get whats to argue here. Vader was conflicted. Obviously. Thats why he turned.

I also dont see the need to make Luke equal to Peak Vader so early on. We have Mandalorian Luke now and Sequel Luke. He had plenty of time to surpass Vader later. So why does he need to be equal to Peak Vader at the time of ROTJ?

Also dont get the logic of how a newly Knighted Luke would be equal to Peak Vader with his decades of mastery. Unless Luke has vastly higher potential than Vader.

I don't think anyone is saying that Vader wasn't conflicted to some extent. Luke sensed it in the film, and Palpatine had sensed the "flickering light" within Vader for years prior to RotJ.

The argument, however, is that said emotions hadn't reached a point where they were inhibiting Vader's abilities during RotJ, because no material released thus far has really painted that picture... As mentioned above, per new canon Vader was still channeling the dark side almost exclusively against Luke:
-Vader found a new "resolve" after ESB. He came to both fear and hate Luke, and as such, wanted to kill him.
-Vader nearly slaughtered Luke out of pure hatred when they first met on the moon of Endor(in the film.)
-Vader was capable of immersing himself in the dark side to suppress/bury the 'good' that Luke sensed, and regain his dark-sided clarity(in the film.)
-Vader was attacking Luke with nothing but anger/hatred/fear during their actual battle(in the film.)

How Luke rises to Vader-level by RotJ is indeed the bigger question, though. At this point in the comics, we have got to be getting very close to RotJ in the timeline, yet even though Luke's power has grown considerably since ESB, he still readily admits inferiority to Vader. However, Luke is fully cognizant of the fact that he needs to receive additional Jedi training before he faces Vader again, which is why he embarks on his upcoming quest(wherein he will find Yoda's holocron, and receive training/lessons that "take and give more than young Skywalker could have ever imagined"... So hopefully we'll get some definitive answers on that side of things soon enough.


Of course, since we're not yet caught up to RotJ in the timeline, the writers still have the opportunity to make Vader out as a conflicted mess and nerf his abilities... But I can only speak to what we have been told as of right now.

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't think anyone is saying that Vader wasn't conflicted to some extent. Luke sensed it in the film, and Palpatine had sensed the "flickering light" within Vader for years prior to RotJ.

The argument, however, is that said emotions hadn't reached a point where they were inhibiting Vader's abilities during RotJ, because no material released thus far has really painted that picture... As mentioned above, per new canon Vader was still channeling the dark side almost exclusively against Luke:
-Vader found a new "resolve" after ESB. He came to both fear and hate Luke, and as such, wanted to kill him.
-Vader nearly slaughtered Luke out of pure hatred when they first met on the moon of Endor(in the film.)
-Vader was capable of immersing himself in the dark side to suppress/bury the 'good' that Luke sensed, and regain his dark-sided clarity(in the film.)
-Vader was attacking Luke with nothing but anger/hatred/fear during their actual battle(in the film.)

I think this suggests it from Secrets of the Sith:

"Lord Vader had believed his child had died with Padme. It was the fear, pain and suffering stemming from that loss that powered him for so long. But now a different emotion began to surface within him, one he had not experienced in ages-love."

Because it specifically mentions his emotions being the source of his power, so introducing Love would clearly screw with that.

Plus there's loads of examples from canon where conflict hinders abilities. It's just mentioned in Secrets of the Sith about that hindering Kylo.

And of course there's Lucas's commentary. I know he's not involved with SW anymore but that is still the official audio commentary of ROTJ.

Then there's Filoni's (who is still involved) comments comparing Luke's training to Ahsoka's hinting Ahsoka has the better training.


Originally posted by Galan007
How Luke rises to Vader-level by RotJ is indeed the bigger question, though.


Now THAT I would like to see

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I think this suggests it from Secrets of the Sith:

"Lord Vader had believed his child had died with Padme. It was the fear, pain and suffering stemming from that loss that powered him for so long. But now a different emotion began to surface within him, one he had not experienced in ages-love."

Because it specifically mentions his emotions being the source of his power, so introducing Love would clearly screw with that.

Plus there's loads of examples from canon where conflict hinders abilities. It's just mentioned in Secrets of the Sith about that hindering Kylo.

And of course there's Lucas's commentary. I know he's not involved with SW anymore but that is still the official audio commentary of ROTJ.

Then there's Filoni's (who is still involved) comments comparing Luke's training to Ahsoka's hinting Ahsoka has the better training. I'm just saying that as of right now in the comics(which are currently set shortly before RotJ), Vader's dominant emotions have been made abundantly clear: Vader fears Luke because of his potential to replace him as Palpatine's apprentice. Because of this, Vader has come to hate/resent Luke and wants him dead. This is further cemented in the aforementioned novelization, wherein it is explicitly noted that Vader was using dark-sided emotions against Luke during their confrontation in RotJ, with no mention of this inner conflict inhibiting his abilities. Hate and fear are what Vader was actively tapping-into during their battle.

Sure, but Kylo was incapable of suppressing his emotions to the point where they weren't hindering him. Vader, on the other hand, was capable of doing so, and actually did so during RotJ: "The dark side is strong. Vader uses it to close off the questions, the memories, the hopes. The dark truths are true again"... So there evidently can be exceptions to this 'rule'. /shrug

I know what Lucas said, but his word is no longer the end-all/be-all of the franchise, and as such, needs to be taken with a grain of salt. He can be(and has been) contradicted in new canon.

Aside from the fact that Filoni's comment is ambiguous, we also know that he has never held a very high opinion of OT Luke, while he is obviously Ahsoka's biggest fangirl... So his implications really aren't surprising. However, if indeed Luke's skill with a saber was on par with Vader's during RotJ(as has been stated in new canon), then he *should* become Ahsoka's technical superior by default. But again, only time will tell here.

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"No fear. Only the Force."

Neat to see Luke visiting the world where Vader faced and killed his first Jedi after being placed in the suit.

The mountain and monastery where Kirak Infil'a lived seemed to emphasize training. This might help explain some of Luke's combative growth.

^ And Kirak appeared to have at least one Holocron as well(which Luke will presumably snag):
https://ibb.co/sCzJ7xm
So yeah.


On another note, this would also be the perfect time to have Luke locate Jacasta Nu's library/cache. When he located it in the comics(which occurred at a yet unknown point in the timeline), he certainly appeared to be younger... So the age range could fit:
https://ibb.co/XxXTL4B

Luke studying Yoda's holocron + a cache of that magnitude would explain his exponential growth by RotJ more than anything else really could at this point. /shrug

Galan are there any accolades to suggest Luke ever surpassed Yoda ?

You don't nead that. You can just scale Prime Luke above Vader.
GM Luke>Vader>Anakin~Yoda.
In the last year Anakin got 3 or 4 quotes suggesting relativity or even superiority to Yoda.

Originally posted by Darthadi
You don't nead that. You can just scale Prime Luke above Vader.
GM Luke>Vader>Anakin~Yoda.
In the last year Anakin got 3 or 4 quotes suggesting relativity or even superiority to Yoda.


Yeah that dont work for me. We had the whole Luke > Snoke = Palpatine, but that turned out to be bogus.

Was wondering if there was any direct comparisons. Or Luke confirmed to be the most powerful Jedi in all 3 eras.

Originally posted by Galan007
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"No fear. Only the Force."

"Fear is the mind-killer", huh?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Galan are there any accolades to suggest Luke ever surpassed Yoda ? Originally posted by Darth Thor
Was wondering if there was any direct comparisons. Or Luke confirmed to be the most powerful Jedi in all 3 eras. No direct accolades explicitly stating such, no... Not yet, at least.

But logically speaking, if indeed Luke was equal to Vader as of RotJ(as canon has indicated on more than one occasion), it makes perfect sense for him to have surpassed Yoda at some point afterward, given the incessant relic/knowledge-hoarding he was doing in the decades between RotJ and the ST... But yeah, that's just personal conjecture at this point.

Yeah thought so. Would like a confirmation at some point that he is the most powerful Jedi of the 3 movie eras.


Originally posted by Galan007
if indeed Luke was equal to Vader as of RotJ(as canon has indicated on more than one occasion),


That's said more than once ?

Originally posted by Galan007
^ And Kirak appeared to have at least one Holocron as well(which Luke will presumably snag):
https://ibb.co/sCzJ7xm
So yeah. Heh...

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Honestly, I was very happy with how Luke got the holocron in this chapter. Reminded me a lot of what Yoda said in Rebels.

"How a Jedi chooses to win, the question is."

Luke fully acknowledged that he could storm the Imperial facility single-handed, cutting his way through any opposition by allowing the Force to flow through him. But that's not the Jedi way.

So he just walked up unarmed and asked for the most important artifact, with a subtle push of the Force. No need for bloodshed or to raise any alarms when he could easily avoid it.

So none of the Imperials notice an X-wing flying about?

Originally posted by Underachiever59
Honestly, I was very happy with how Luke got the holocron in this chapter. Reminded me a lot of what Yoda said in Rebels.

"How a Jedi chooses to win, the question is."

Luke fully acknowledged that he could storm the Imperial facility single-handed, cutting his way through any opposition by allowing the Force to flow through him. But that's not the Jedi way.

So he just walked up unarmed and asked for the most important artifact, with a subtle push of the Force. No need for bloodshed or to raise any alarms when he could easily avoid it.

Luke was well-aware of what he could do in that situation... But he immediately recognized what he should do. I think it goes back to Yoda's training in ESB: "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack."

To date, Soule has done a fantastic job at fleshing-out Luke's gradual transition into a true Jedi Knight.

Gotta love how normal Stormtrooper grunts had the full access to "most important artifacts".

One would think the Empire had their complicated rank structure for a reason. Apparently not.

Lol. and the fact that no one else at the facility noticed them taking it.

It was a good issue though. Now we just have to wait and see what Luke learns.

Oh no, you won't get me to stop complaining so easily. We were introduced to Stormtrooper Officers/Commanders as early as in ANH.

Originally posted by Sheev
Now we just have to wait and see what Luke learns.

GALAN'S UNHEALTHY FANTASIES WON'T BE INDULGED!

Maybe they were just the highest ranking goons at that facility?

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
Maybe they were just the highest ranking goons at that facility?

Then why they had no pauldrons and were on guard duty?

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Luke having a vision of Elzar Mann from The High Republic. I've been enjoying the High Republic novels so far, especially The Fallen Star. Kinda curious where this comic issue is going to go, with Luke meeting Elzar.

Elzar is probably one of the most troubled Jedi in The High Republic. Romantic attachment, struggles with anger, repeated failures that have led to catastrophic events and losses of life. He's definitely going to have some lessons to impart on Luke.

How strong are these High Republic Jedi compared to PT era Jedi? Is there someone comparable to Kenobi or Vos?

Originally posted by Total Warrior
How strong are these High Republic Jedi compared to PT era Jedi? Is there someone comparable to Kenobi or Vos?

It's really, really hard to say. The High Republic doesn't have convenient measuring sticks like Asajj Ventress, Count Dooku, or General Grievous who have fought almost every prominent character of the era. Right now, duels have been very few and far between.


Elzar Mann, at least, seems pretty powerful. At one point when he gave into the dark side briefly, he threw an entire floating island with the Force. And Ty Yorrick has admitted she basically couldn't hope to beat Elzar Mann, even when he was at his worst (toward the end of The Rising Storm). Ty Yorrick was able to go toe-to-toe with Stellan Gios, a member of the Jedi Council. However, it's also worth noting that during the same fight when Ty Yorrick dueled Gios earlier in the book, Yorrick also nearly bested Elzar. The fight ended with all their lightsabers being disabled by effectively an EMP though, and Elzar used the Force to pin Yorrick to a wall.


Also, while Stellan Gios is a Council member, and has a passion for studying and teaching lightsaber combat, he's not necessarily the most capable Jedi. He's basically the poster-boy of the Jedi Council, but Ty Yorrick managed to headbutt him on the nose during their duel, effectively taking him out of the fight, he lost to his own Padawan in a sparring session when they first met, and during a demonstration of lightsaber combat in front of a journalist, the journalist noticed the other Jedi Master basically let Stellan Gios win. Nothing implies he's a particularly skilled or powerful Jedi. He basically achieved his position through force of personality.


Avar Kriss is the last of the "Big Three," alongside Stellan and Elzar. Power-wise, I'd say she's basically the Bastila of her era. She's capable of creating a "harmony" between all the Jedi in the area, allowing for near instant communication of emotion and ideas through the Force over the scale of an entire star system. Not quite battle meditation, but the coordination her ability allows is pretty dang impressive, even by Legends standards. She's capable enough as a combatant, though honestly most of her fighting is done off-screen, so to speak. She's mostly hype right now, though I suspect the next couple comic issues are going to give her some nice feats.


Another really powerful Jedi Master would be Porter Engle, The Blade of Bardotta. Despite his age, he's got some pretty serious speed feats, precision blaster bolt reflection feats, has taken out entire Nihil strike teams single-handed (something that even other "great" Jedi of the era such as Loden Greastorm were incapable of), and he's even been compared to Yoda by at least one character, iirc. He's probably the most skilled of all the new characters introduced.


There have also been a couple really capable Padawans and Knights introduced in the era as well. Vernestra Rwoh achieved the rank of Knight at the incredibly young age of 14, and is basically described as a prodigy by most Jedi, and she's shown pretty impressive skill with the lightwhip, as well as ingenuity and resourcefulness with the Force. Keeve Trennis, the main Jedi Knight of Marvel's The High Republic comic, is probably more skilled and powerful than her former master, Sskeer (though he's currently dealing with a degenerative brain disorder common to Trandoshans. Basically a more violent version of Alzheimer's for lizard people).


As for Padawans, Qort's species is apparently insanely strong, fast, and durable, and he has some pretty impressive showings against the Nihil. In one of the most recent issues, he was literally leaping from one Nihil ship to the next, taking an entire squadron out single-handed. Lula Talisola, one of the main characters of The High Republic Adventures, is described as the top of her class in all subjects. Skill with the Force, skill with the lightsaber, ect, which puts her above Qort (who is one of her direct peers).


In general, I'd say the Jedi Order of the High Republic is about on par with the Jedi Order of The Phantom Menace, but I can't say with confidence that it's equivalent to the more militaristic Jedi Order of the Clone Wars. Some individual Jedi such as Porter Engle and Elzar Mann, however, I can picture contending with the likes of (canon) Adi Gallia, Depa Billaba, or other low-to-mid tier Council members. Especially as the High Republic goes on and these Jedi get more feats to their names.


It's almost a shame that Phase II of The High Republic is moving back another 150 years in the timeline, putting it about 382 BBY, so most of the characters we've gotten to know in The High Republic won't be around yet in Phase II.

Originally posted by Underachiever59
Luke having a vision of Elzar Mann from The High Republic. I've been enjoying the High Republic novels so far, especially The Fallen Star. Kinda curious where this comic issue is going to go, with Luke meeting Elzar.

Elzar is probably one of the most troubled Jedi in The High Republic. Romantic attachment, struggles with anger, repeated failures that have led to catastrophic events and losses of life. He's definitely going to have some lessons to impart on Luke. I wasn't expecting a character from THR to appear -- but with Soule writing, I'm not exactly surprised.

Curious to see how it plays out, though.

Originally posted by Underachiever59
It's really, really hard to say. The High Republic doesn't have convenient measuring sticks like Asajj Ventress, Count Dooku, or General Grievous who have fought almost every prominent character of the era. Right now, duels have been very few and far between.


Elzar Mann, at least, seems pretty powerful. At one point when he gave into the dark side briefly, he threw an entire floating island with the Force. And Ty Yorrick has admitted she basically couldn't hope to beat Elzar Mann, even when he was at his worst (toward the end of The Rising Storm). Ty Yorrick was able to go toe-to-toe with Stellan Gios, a member of the Jedi Council. However, it's also worth noting that during the same fight when Ty Yorrick dueled Gios earlier in the book, Yorrick also nearly bested Elzar. The fight ended with all their lightsabers being disabled by effectively an EMP though, and Elzar used the Force to pin Yorrick to a wall.


Also, while Stellan Gios is a Council member, and has a passion for studying and teaching lightsaber combat, he's not necessarily the most capable Jedi. He's basically the poster-boy of the Jedi Council, but Ty Yorrick managed to headbutt him on the nose during their duel, effectively taking him out of the fight, he lost to his own Padawan in a sparring session when they first met, and during a demonstration of lightsaber combat in front of a journalist, the journalist noticed the other Jedi Master basically let Stellan Gios win. Nothing implies he's a particularly skilled or powerful Jedi. He basically achieved his position through force of personality.


Avar Kriss is the last of the "Big Three," alongside Stellan and Elzar. Power-wise, I'd say she's basically the Bastila of her era. She's capable of creating a "harmony" between all the Jedi in the area, allowing for near instant communication of emotion and ideas through the Force over the scale of an entire star system. Not quite battle meditation, but the coordination her ability allows is pretty dang impressive, even by Legends standards. She's capable enough as a combatant, though honestly most of her fighting is done off-screen, so to speak. She's mostly hype right now, though I suspect the next couple comic issues are going to give her some nice feats.


Another really powerful Jedi Master would be Porter Engle, The Blade of Bardotta. Despite his age, he's got some pretty serious speed feats, precision blaster bolt reflection feats, has taken out entire Nihil strike teams single-handed (something that even other "great" Jedi of the era such as Loden Greastorm were incapable of), and he's even been compared to Yoda by at least one character, iirc. He's probably the most skilled of all the new characters introduced.


There have also been a couple really capable Padawans and Knights introduced in the era as well. Vernestra Rwoh achieved the rank of Knight at the incredibly young age of 14, and is basically described as a prodigy by most Jedi, and she's shown pretty impressive skill with the lightwhip, as well as ingenuity and resourcefulness with the Force. Keeve Trennis, the main Jedi Knight of Marvel's The High Republic comic, is probably more skilled and powerful than her former master, Sskeer (though he's currently dealing with a degenerative brain disorder common to Trandoshans. Basically a more violent version of Alzheimer's for lizard people).


As for Padawans, Qort's species is apparently insanely strong, fast, and durable, and he has some pretty impressive showings against the Nihil. In one of the most recent issues, he was literally leaping from one Nihil ship to the next, taking an entire squadron out single-handed. Lula Talisola, one of the main characters of The High Republic Adventures, is described as the top of her class in all subjects. Skill with the Force, skill with the lightsaber, ect, which puts her above Qort (who is one of her direct peers).


In general, I'd say the Jedi Order of the High Republic is about on par with the Jedi Order of The Phantom Menace, but I can't say with confidence that it's equivalent to the more militaristic Jedi Order of the Clone Wars. Some individual Jedi such as Porter Engle and Elzar Mann, however, I can picture contending with the likes of (canon) Adi Gallia, Depa Billaba, or other low-to-mid tier Council members. Especially as the High Republic goes on and these Jedi get more feats to their names.


It's almost a shame that Phase II of The High Republic is moving back another 150 years in the timeline, putting it about 382 BBY, so most of the characters we've gotten to know in The High Republic won't be around yet in Phase II. wow thanks for the very detailed answer

Originally posted by Total Warrior
wow thanks for the very detailed answer

No problem. I've really been enjoying The High Republic so far. Thinking of actually doing some respect threads once I get all my books back out of storage. Been busy moving for the past month, so I haven't really had the opportunity lately.

Originally posted by Underachiever59
No problem. I've really been enjoying The High Republic so far. Thinking of actually doing some respect threads once I get all my books back out of storage. Been busy moving for the past month, so I haven't really had the opportunity lately. That'd be much appreciated. I know nothing about all these Jedi, and didn't see many people commenting on them. Guess this new series of books wasn't quite appreciated by the public

Originally posted by Total Warrior
That'd be much appreciated. I know nothing about all these Jedi, and didn't see many people commenting on them. Guess this new series of books wasn't quite appreciated by the public

I wouldn't say the new series isn't appreciated by the public. It's just targeting a different demographic. I know an absolute ton of people who are greatly enjoying The High Republic content so far (myself included), and it's been pretty critically acclaimed as well. There's just less to talk about as far as the versus community is concerned, since there's no way to really scale most of these characters to the eras we're familiar with, and combat between Force sensitives in this era is largely downplayed due to the conflicts not being between Jedi and Sith.

It's honestly really refreshing to see how a non-Force sensitive group like the Nihil is able to cause such strife for the Jedi, despite not being able to best the Jedi in head-to-head conflict. Their sheer lack of morality and willingness to go to any extreme really exemplifies them as a horrifying villainous force, that feels entirely different from any villains we've had in Star Wars before. It's not a rigidly fascist regime like the Empire or the First Order, nor is it the typical Sith hierarchy of rule by might.

The Nihil would mostly feel like typical marauders with some clever underhanded tricks, if it weren't for their leader, Marchion Ro. His maneuvering and manipulation is just as fun to see unfold as all of Palpatine's machinations. He's probably my favorite villain introduced to Star Wars since Disney purchased it. Definitely more engaging than Snoke or Moff Gideon, or any of the minor villains introduced in the mainline Star Wars comics.

Luke's chat with Elzar(or rather, the imprint of Elzar) was pretty insightful... And at the end, Luke was left with some sort of esoteric book that will presumably help him on his path.

The unfortunate part is that we likely won't get any sort of continuation for Luke's story until at least April, as the solicits for the next two issues are completely unrelated.

Originally posted by Galan007
Luke's chat with Elzar(or rather, the imprint of Elzar) was pretty insightful... And at the end, Luke was left with some sort of esoteric book that will presumably help him on his path.

The unfortunate part is that we likely won't get any sort of continuation for Luke's story until at least April, as the solicits for the next two issues are completely unrelated.

I absolutely loved Luke's chat with Elzar. I knew Elzar would have some great insight to give, and I wasn't disappointed. As for the book, it's one of the sacred Jedi texts from The Last Jedi. It's identical to one of the unnamed props. Since it's one of the unnamed props, that rules out the two volumes of the Aionomicon, as well as the Rammahgon. So, in all likelihood, it's either Poetics of a Jedi or Chronicles of Brus-bu (two of the names we currently have for the sacred texts, but haven't been assigned to specific props from the movie yet). Either that, or we're about to get the name of one of the other sacred texts that we haven't gotten any detail on yet.

If it's Chronicles of Brus-bu, then Luke may learn about Force healing (it's the sacred text that Rey learned the ability from for The Rise of Skywalker). We don't really know what all is in Poetics of a Jedi, but I'd wager it's full of poetic retellings of ancient Jedi events. I guess if it's Poetics of a Jedi, it may give Luke some insight into how the Jedi used to operate. That could provide him with some greater insight into stuff like Jedi philosophy, and other things that Ben and Yoda didn't really tell Luke about being a Jedi. However, I don't see Poetics of a Jedi really doing much to improve his abilities as a fledgling Jedi.



I do have to agree with you about the next couple issues. The unfortunate thing about the mainline Star Wars comics has always been the need to split time between Luke's story and the story of the Rebellion as a whole. Luke's growth as a Jedi always seems to be independent of whatever the Rebellion is up to, and the two stories seldom come together to advance Luke's development and the growth of the Rebellion at the same time. This was true for the 2015 run, and it's held true to the 2020 run as well. Any time we get to explore Luke growing as a Jedi, it's always because he branched off on his own away from the Rebellion for a bit. And any time the events involving the Rebellion become the focus of the comic, Luke always becomes a relatively minor player in the story, just there to swing his lightsaber around a little bit.

At this point I'm really just curious what Luke's "breakthrough" will be. Clearly something major is going to happen during his quest, because as of a few issues ago, Luke came to the realization that trying to directly confront Vader in his current state would be foolish, as he simply lacks the proper training to stand any sort of chance... Yet by RotJ(which is just months away now) he was absolutely confident about confronting Vader again.

That being said, we know Luke already has the raw power/potential to match(or exceed) Vader -- that's why Vader explicitly fears him. So I feel like all Luke really needs at this point is the right sort of mental/emotional 'push' to open his doorway to the Force wider, thereby allowing him to access more of his potential. So perhaps this newfound text will help facilitate that. /shrug

Yeah, a months-long wait to get a status update on Luke's progress will be pretty annoying, imo. I'm not at all invested in Leia and the Rebellion's story right now.