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Prime Vader vs Mace Windu

Who wins?

Mace beat Sidious.

Sidious>Vader.

Originally posted by juggernaut74

Sidious>Vader.


Is he though:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t665644.html

we don't know the circumstances between his duel with Sidious

but in terms of Force abilities Vader is laughably more powerful

Originally posted by carthage
we don't know the circumstances between his duel with Sidious

but in terms of Force abilities Vader is laughably more powerful

Yeah we do - we have a whole movie and a novel that goes into extensive depth about it.

And Mace's TK is close to Dooku and Yoda - and Vader's.

And Mace has abilities that Vader doesn't have, like Vapaad and Shatterpoint.

Vader would avoid fighting Mace directly if he were still around.

Mace cuts Vader down, or Force Crushes his chest, like he did to Grievous.

Unlike Grievous, Vader should be able to protect himself from Force Crush.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Unlike Grievous, Vader should be able to protect himself from Force Crush.

And vice-versa.

With Vapaad, their destructive abilities should be evenly-matched.

All that remains is a lightsaber duel - in which Mace would emerge victorious.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Is he though:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t665644.html





Plus Vader is confirmed to be a better duelist. Windu stands no chance.

What do we have on Vader's pure lightsaber skills in his prime? If sidious cannot overpower Mace with the force, vader won't be able to either, and Mace is very very good.

Originally posted by truejedi
What do we have on Vader's pure lightsaber skills in his prime? If sidious cannot overpower Mace with the force, vader won't be able to either, and Mace is very very good.

The Return Of The Jedi novelization confirms that Darth Vader was at his peak when he fought Luke on the second Death Star:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LimpScarceEstuarinecrocodile-size_restricted.gif

Mace Windu was at his peak when he defeated Darth Sidious:

https://media.giphy.com/media/cM2P8XpZGaSc0D7hBX/giphy.gif

Mace Windu wins.

I think this fight is much closer than people might think.

In canon, Vader is confirmed a greater duelist than Sidious. In rots, Sidious is a 9 and Mace is an "8, bordering on 9" on the Nic Gillard/Goerge Lucas scale.

In terms of force powers, Vader became more powerful after rots (see lots novel, crazy feats in comics, etc). Before Disney, Lucas said Anakin was as powerful as the emperor, and then after Mustafar he was 80% of the emperor. Now that the new canon has established Vader is more powerful after the suit, he's more powerful than Sidious was in rots (the same guy who beat Yoda)...

I'm certainly willing to have my mind changed and I'm not so certain Vader would beat Mace. All I'm saying is you can make a decent argument for Vader.

Originally posted by Lighter332
The Return Of The Jedi novelization confirms that Darth Vader was at his peak when he fought Luke on the second Death Star:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LimpScarceEstuarinecrocodile-size_restricted.gif

Mace Windu was at his peak when he defeated Darth Sidious:

https://media.giphy.com/media/cM2P8XpZGaSc0D7hBX/giphy.gif

Mace Windu wins.

You said it yourself that Vader held back...

Vader wins, hes a beast with the Force and with his added physical strength his lightsaber style can penetrate Windus, not saying it'll be easy but Vade can get it done

also Mace didn't beat Sidious in any way shape from or fashion so get over it; I've never seen a character benefit from white guilt as much as Mace Windu did in that fight

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You said it yourself that Vader held back...





You got him there

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You said it yourself that Vader held back...

Either way, Mace still destroys Vader. shifty

Originally posted by relentless1
Vader wins, hes a beast with the Force and with his added physical strength his lightsaber style can penetrate Windus, not saying it'll be easy but Vade can get it done

also Mace didn't beat Sidious in any way shape from or fashion so get over it; I've never seen a character benefit from white guilt as much as Mace Windu did in that fight

Mace is a beast too, and was able to match his strength with Kar Vastor on Haruun Kal.

And here's Mace beating Sidious again, since you seem to have the memory and IQ of a goldfish:

https://media.giphy.com/media/cM2P8XpZGaSc0D7hBX/giphy.gif



Mace wins, b|tch.

Originally posted by Darth Thor



You got him there

He ain't got shit.

Whether Vader was holding back or not - Mace still destroys him.

Vader makes Windu his *****

"He had, after all, stood with the Jedi Master Mace Windu against Kar Vastor in the steaming jungles of Haruun Kal. Kar Vastor, leader of the Balawai resistance; Kar Vastor, with his arm-mounted vibroblade weapons and his almost supernatural strength."

Vader>Windu confirmed. And this is Vader far before his prime too.

Nice, thanks

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Close. 18 BBY Vader is considered by Nick Rostu to be far more powerful in the Force than Kar Vastor.
"Nick had never seen anyone or anything to match .

Until now.

Until he stood, unarmed, before Darth Vader."

This implies that Vader is a more formidable opponent than Windu, as Nick was with Mace when he faced Vastor before.
Also incase you want to argue that it's because he was unarmed, I forgot to include the next sentence:

"As if being armed would make a difference, he thought."

"It didn't matter. There was no doubt in Nick's mind that, were Kar Vastor somehow to be pitted against Darth Vader, the feral Balawai renegade wouldn't stand a chance.

The Force was powerful in Vader; even the dim wattage of Nick's connection could feel that. It was far more powerful than it had been in Kar Vastor. It had pulsed from Vastor in waves of fury, blasted like an open furnace. In Vader, it was-contained. Pent."

Nice so 18BBY Vader>Windu

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Vader makes Windu his *****

Vader couldn't do shit - he chokes on Windu's lightsaber and his dick.

Originally posted by Lighter332
Yoda never went to Haruun Kal - but go ahead and show the quote - I'll wait.
Scroll up the page dumbass. 18BBY Vader>Windu confirmed

This is the quote I was referring to, thanks xPRIMEx for posting it. I'll post it again for you so it's easier for you to read since it seem like you're having trouble:

Nick Rostu says that he's never seen anyone match Kar Vastor:
"Nick had never seen anyone or anything to match .
Until now.
Until he stood, unarmed, before Darth Vader.
As if being armed would make a difference, he thought.
It didn't matter. There was no doubt in Nick's mind that, were Kar Vastor somehow to be pitted against Darth Vader, the feral Balawai renegade wouldn't stand a chance.
The Force was powerful in Vader; even the dim wattage of Nick's connection could feel that. It was far more powerful than it had been in Kar Vastor. It had pulsed from Vastor in waves of fury, blasted like an open furnace. In Vader, it was-contained. Pent."

And Nick was with Mace Windu when he faced Kar Vastor before:
"He had, after all, stood with the Jedi Master Mace Windu against Kar Vastor in the steaming jungles of Haruun Kal. Kar Vastor, leader of the Balawai resistance; Kar Vastor, with his arm-mounted vibroblade weapons and his almost supernatural strength."


Therefore Vader>Windu. Years before his prime

Originally posted by Lighter332
Vader couldn't do shit - he chokes on Windu's lightsaber and his dick.
Lol this guys in denial. Vader makes Windu his *****, not even in his prime. Sad day for Windu fanboys.

Originally posted by Rebel95
Scroll up the page dumbass. 18BBY Vader>Windu confirmed

Still waiting for your quote, dumbass.

Originally posted by Rebel95
This is the quote I was referring to, thanks xPRIMEx for posting it. I'll post it again for you so it's easier for you to read since it seem like you're having trouble:

Nick Rostu says that he's never seen anyone match Kar Vastor:
"Nick had never seen anyone or anything to match .
Until now.
Until he stood, unarmed, before Darth Vader.
As if being armed would make a difference, he thought.
It didn't matter. There was no doubt in Nick's mind that, were Kar Vastor somehow to be pitted against Darth Vader, the feral Balawai renegade wouldn't stand a chance.
The Force was powerful in Vader; even the dim wattage of Nick's connection could feel that. It was far more powerful than it had been in Kar Vastor. It had pulsed from Vastor in waves of fury, blasted like an open furnace. In Vader, it was-contained. Pent."


Nick Rostu passed out before he had a chance to see Mace defeat Kar, retard.

And Nick wasn't talking about the prime Kar Vastor fighting Vader - he was talking about the older Kar Vastor with prosthetic hands and lacking a connection to Harun Kaal.

And Mace Windu defeated Kar Vastor in his prime, dumbass.



Originally posted by Rebel95

And Nick was with Mace Windu when he faced Kar Vastor before:
"He had, after all, stood with the Jedi Master Mace Windu against Kar Vastor in the steaming jungles of Haruun Kal. Kar Vastor, leader of the Balawai resistance; Kar Vastor, with his arm-mounted vibroblade weapons and his almost supernatural strength."

Therefore Vader>Windu. Years before his prime

Nick never saw Mace defeat Kar Vastor:

Mace turned toward where the sound hadcome from. Sitting next to the corpse of a dead AkkGuard, his back propped against the wall, one handpressed to his chest to hold closed a horrible wound, Nick Rostu grinned past the smoking barrel of the pistol in his other hand.
"Told you."
"Nick-"
'Told you I can shoot." he said.
His fingers opened and the gun fell to the floor; his hand dropped on top of it and his eyes drifted shut.
'Nick, I-"
The young Korun was beyond hearing.
Mace said softly, "Thank you." He swayed. He had to put out a hand to the wrecked comm console to steady himself.
The bunker had once again gone quiet and dark and full of death.
Quiet except for a low growl.
The growl came from a black shape that rose like corpse-fungus from among the bodies.
"So, doshalo. Here we are. For the last time."

Nick never saw Mace slice prime Kar Vastor's hands off and incapacitate and defeat him.

The same Mace that stomped the most powerful Sith Lord in Galactic History:

https://media.giphy.com/media/cM2P8XpZGaSc0D7hBX/giphy.gif
Mace Windu > Darth Sidious > Darth Vader, dumbass.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Lol this guys in denial. Vader makes Windu his *****, not even in his prime. Sad day for Windu fanboys.

Vader gets on his knees and chokes on Mace's dick all day long.

Mace wrecked the most powerful Sith Lord in Galactic History.

Mace makes Vader his b|tch, almost as much as I make your mom my b|tch.

You dumbasses are still in denial and crying about Mace defeating Darth Sidious:
https://media.giphy.com/media/cM2P8XpZGaSc0D7hBX/giphy.gif

Mace turns your boyfriend Vader into a scrap pile.

Accept it and go wipe your tears with your tampons.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LimpScarceEstuarinecrocodile-size_restricted.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/bq6tVXoeqT5xQcpvUl/giphy.gif

Mace wins

Originally posted by Lighter332
Nick Rostu passed out before he had a chance to see Mace defeat Kar, retard.

And Nick wasn't talking about the prime Kar Vastor fighting Vader - he was talking about the older Kar Vastor with prosthetic hands and lacking a connection to Harun Kaal.

And Mace Windu defeated Kar Vastor in his prime, dumbass.





Nick never saw Mace defeat Kar Vastor:

Mace turned toward where the sound hadcome from. Sitting next to the corpse of a dead AkkGuard, his back propped against the wall, one handpressed to his chest to hold closed a horrible wound, Nick Rostu grinned past the smoking barrel of the pistol in his other hand.
"Told you."
"Nick-"
'Told you I can shoot." he said.
His fingers opened and the gun fell to the floor; his hand dropped on top of it and his eyes drifted shut.
'Nick, I-"
The young Korun was beyond hearing.
Mace said softly, "Thank you." He swayed. He had to put out a hand to the wrecked comm console to steady himself.
The bunker had once again gone quiet and dark and full of death.
Quiet except for a low growl.
The growl came from a black shape that rose like corpse-fungus from among the bodies.
"So, doshalo. Here we are. For the last time."

Nick never saw Mace slice prime Kar Vastor's hands off and incapacitate and defeat him.

The same Mace that stomped the most powerful Sith Lord in Galactic History:

https://media.giphy.com/media/cM2P8XpZGaSc0D7hBX/giphy.gif
Mace Windu > Darth Sidious > Darth Vader, dumbass.
I love how you leave out the fact that Mace admits that Kar Vastor would beat him on even ground Meanwhile Vader is said to be vastly beyond him And this is Vader shortly after being put into the suit. Vader scales so much past Windu it's just sad

"Vastor was younger, stronger, faster, and immensely more powerful , and he wielded weapons that could not be harmed by the Jedi blade. Mace couldn't win such a battle on his best day , and this day was far from his best: he was exhausted, badly wounded, and heartsick."

Mace was only able to beat him because he caught him off guard by using a vibroshield to shear through Vastor's shields. Get the **** out of here and keep sucking weak ass Windu's dick

Pre prime Vader is "far more powerful" than Vastor, who is "immensely more powerful" than Windu

Originally posted by Rebel95
Pre prime Vader is "far more powerful" than Vastor, who is "immensely more powerful" than Windu


Yup. So states the EU. Which is the one and only true canon to Lighter332. So he can not deny this.

canon vader is better than legends vader

Originally posted by Rebel95
Pre prime Vader is "far more powerful" than Vastor, who is "immensely more powerful" than Windu

Originally posted by Rebel95
I love how you leave out the fact that Mace admits that Kar Vastor would beat him on even ground Meanwhile Vader is said to be vastly beyond him And this is Vader shortly after being put into the suit. Vader scales so much past Windu it's just sad

I love how you leave out the fact that a wounded Mace still owned Vastor.

And Mace Windu ended up defeating Darth Vader's master in a duel - who is miles above Vader.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cM2P8XpZGaSc0D7hBX/giphy.gif
And also your butt buddy Vader gets defeated by a barely trained Apprentice:
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LimpScarceEstuarinecrocodile-size_restricted.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/bq6tVXoeqT5xQcpvUl/giphy.gif

Originally posted by Rebel95
"Vastor was younger, stronger, faster, and immensely more powerful , and he wielded weapons that could not be harmed by the Jedi blade. Mace couldn't win such a battle on his best day , and this day was far from his best: he was exhausted, badly wounded, and heartsick."

Mace was only able to beat him because he caught him off guard by using a vibroshield to shear through Vastor's shields. Get the **** out of here and keep sucking weak ass Windu's dick

And Mace still beat Vastor.

Meanwhile your butt buddy Vader was getting owned by a grown-Youngling:
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LimpScarceEstuarinecrocodile-size_restricted.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/bq6tVXoeqT5xQcpvUl/giphy.gif

You get the fvck out of here and make sure to sit on Windu's dick, while you're sucking mine, little b|tch.

Originally posted by Rebel95
Pre prime Vader is "far more powerful" than Vastor, who is "immensely more powerful" than Windu

And Mace beat Darth Sidious, who is immensely more powerful than Pre prime Vader and Vastor combined.

https://media.giphy.com/media/cM2P8XpZGaSc0D7hBX/giphy.gif

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yup. So states the EU. Which is the one and only true canon to Lighter332. So he can not deny this.

And the EU also stated that Mace defeated Darth Sidious with Vapaad - and you cannot deny this.

https://media.giphy.com/media/cM2P8XpZGaSc0D7hBX/giphy.gif

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
weep

https://media.giphy.com/media/cM2P8XpZGaSc0D7hBX/giphy.gif
Mace Windu > Darth Sidious > Darth Vader, dumbass.

This guy lol

@Lighter332

I already explained how Windu beat Vastor you ****ing moron. Learn how to read.
Originally posted by Rebel95
"Vastor was younger, stronger, faster, and immensely more powerful , and he wielded weapons that could not be harmed by the Jedi blade. Mace couldn't win such a battle on his best day , and this day was far from his best: he was exhausted, badly wounded, and heartsick."

Mace was only able to beat him because he caught him off guard by using a vibroshield to shear through Vastor's shields. Get the **** out of here and keep sucking weak ass Windu's dick

Vader lost to Luke because he was conflicted per Luke's own statement, and Luke was amped by his rage.

Windu's victory over Sidious is highly circumstantial and debatable, whereas it is actually a fact based on the quotes I provided that Vader>>>Vastor>>>Windu. Now go cry about it loser

Originally posted by Rebel95
Pre prime Vader is "far more powerful" than Vastor, who is "immensely more powerful" than Windu
Nuff said. Just take the L bruh @Lighter332