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Does the article not say that?

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
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This has got to be a real bummer lol. We had recently seen reporting on how Trumps campaign was told the same thing. You know the left was celebrating...they had a scapegoat to point to if Trump won. They could blame Russia.

Now what? Lol. Will they blame Russia if Trump loses?

Trumpers trying to pretend that Russia is helping Sanders win the nom so Sanders can be President. No, if they're helping, it's because it's widely believed that Trump has the easiest chance in beating Sanders in the general election.

To Sanders' credit, he openly spoke against Russia's interventions, unlike Trump who denies and gaslights.

Now no matter which side wins the other side can just incorrectly blame Russia.

Faulty comparison. Russia's help on both candidates is to get Trump reelected.

National security official discredits NYT report on Russia helping Trump in 2020

Intriguing.

Originally posted by Robtard
Faulty comparison. Russia's help on both candidates is to get Trump reelected.

If the Russians help Bernie because they feel he will be the easiest for Trump to beat and then Trump ends up losing it will have still meant the Russians helped Bernie win the election.

Repeating a faulty comparison is just that. Russia's endgame is to have Trump reelected; why they tried to help Sanders beat Clinton in 2016.

You've literally said the same Russian-sentiment, that you want Sanders to win the nom, because Trump has the best chance in beating him out of the other candidates:

Originally posted by Surtur
U keep saying fear, but I feel like Trump has the best shot against the communist.

Originally posted by Robtard
Repeating a faulty comparison is just that. Russia's endgame is to have Trump reelected. Why they tried to help Sanders beat Clinton in 2016.

You've literally said the same Russian-sentiment, that you want Sanders to win the nom, because Trump has the best chance in beating him out of the other candidates:

Nothing you just said will have changed the fact that if Bernie wins he will have done so with the help of Russia.

Keep in mind that if Trump wins it's incorrect to say he did so because of Russia. Same for Bernie. However, if one were to attribute a Trump victory to Russia due to their aid...you'd have to do the same for a Bernie victory. And yes that is true no matter the reason they helped him.

Keep up that faulty comparison I guess.

Anyhow, I'm off to enjoy my weekend, have lunch with people, then some other engagements. Try to get out of the house and get a little sun, don't be here online all of Sat-Sun, Surt.

Originally posted by Robtard
Keep up that faulty comparison I guess.

Not a faulty comparison, but a correct observation.



Ah so the convo wasn't going the way you'd like so you have to turn to insults. It was not my intent to rustle your jimmies. And don't you worry about me I have plans for tonight

Originally posted by Robtard
Faulty comparison. Russia's help on both candidates is to get Trump reelected.


Sure, Russia wants to help get Trump re-elected so he can put even more sanctions (he has put harsher sanctions on them than Obama EVER did) on them and piss them off some more by attacking Syria some more when Assad supposedly "bombs his own people" again. LOL

Yeah, sure... that's obviously what Putin and the other russians want. That makes perfect sense, robbie.


Get real, rob. Just like in 2016, the russians' goal is and was not to get Trump elected but to sow discord among the populace and put doubt in their mind over the electoral process. And people like you and the lying left-wing media are giving them exactly what they want.

I'm actually beginning to think that people on your side are the real russian assets, not Trump.

Originally posted by Surtur
Nothing you just said will have changed the fact that if Bernie wins he will have done so with the help of Russia.

Keep in mind that if Trump wins it's incorrect to say he did so because of Russia. Same for Bernie. However, if one were to attribute a Trump victory to Russia due to their aid...you'd have to do the same for a Bernie victory. And yes that is true no matter the reason they helped him.


We all know that robbie and other butthurt leftists desperately need this "Trump only won because of Russia!" and the "If Trump wins in 2020 it'll only be because of the russians!!" narratives because it helps soothe their butthurt.

It did so for them for the 2016 election and, unsuprisingly, they're preparing that exact same excuse for the epic loss they will no doubt experience in November.

There was much more evidence that there was actual foreign interference against Trump than for him (Steele piss dossier and illegal aliens voting, for example) but don't tell that to robbie because it would break his wittle heart.

Originally posted by Robtard
Trumpers trying to pretend that Russia is helping Sanders win the nom so Sanders can be President. No, if they're helping, it's because it's widely believed that Trump has the easiest chance in beating Sanders in the general election.

To Sanders' credit, he openly spoke against Russia's interventions, unlike Trump who denies and gaslights.


What did Russia get out of a Trump win though?


If this was a detective movie, we have the means and opportunity, but where is the motive?

Originally posted by cdtm
What did Russia get out of a Trump win though?


If this was a detective movie, we have the means and opportunity, but where is the motive?

IMO their main motive was just to cause chaos.

And if you read that link I posted...yes it's from a conservative website, but it is reporting on claims by Jake Tapper from CNN. He is claiming sources he trusts in the intelligence community are saying that framing this new thing as "Russia prefers Trump" is not accurate.

Also I'm going to point out that the russians aren't doing anything new...in 2016 they did pro trump and pro bernie stuff. I think russia is just an easy scapegoat. They certainly do try to interfere, but the level of competence and impact some attribute to them is way overblown.

Originally posted by Robtard
1. Trumpers trying to pretend that Russia is helping Sanders win the nom so Sanders can be President. 2. No, if they're helping, it's because it's widely believed that Trump has the easiest chance in beating Sanders in the general election.

3. To Sanders' credit, he openly spoke against Russia's interventions, unlike Trump who denies and gaslights.

Is there some sort of tinfoil hat leftist propaganda site that just fills up their site with false information? Because you're definitely reading that.

The 2016 Russian propaganda supported Sanders before the Primaries were done. Before Sanders was robbed of the nomination, he was projected to beat Trump. He was the most likely Dem candidate to be able to beat Trump. Hillary was correctly listed, at the time, as not being able to beat Trump. It is believed that before the DNC corruption struck, the pollsters had it right. And only after the DNC corruption thing happened did you have millions of silent Dem voters who incorrectly reported how they would vote. We, indeed, saw that happen, come election day. The Silent Sanders' voters showed up t to the polls and voted in millions for Trump.

Russia is now, again, posting Pro-Bernie propaganda. According to Wa-Po (lol, leftist moronic propoganda) article posted about 3 hours ago, Sanders is the most likely Dem to be able to beat Trump (and it has shown that in various polls for months, now):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/24/could-bernie-sanders-beat-trump/



So, literally, every position you took in your post is wrong. Ever single one.

1. Russia is helping Sanders. They helped in 2016. And are helping him, now. Russia posted quite a bit of anti-Trump propaganda in 2016.

2. It is not widely believed that Trump can beat Sanders. As fact, Sanders has the highest chance out of all the Dems of beating Trump. It was the case in 2016. It is the case, now.

3. Trump has taken several hard-line stances against Russia. The 2016 propaganda was largely a hoax perpetuated by Democrats to spin their anti-Trump (trying to create the Russian-Collusion) narrative. The Russian ads, which were largely pro-Bernie, pro-SJW, anti-Hillary, anti-Trump, were so sparse and targeting the wrong voting demographics, that it was functionally a failure. It looks more like it was a test.










Seriously, though, what's wrong with acknowledging the fact that Russia supports Bernie? Why does this upset you? Just go with it if you want him to win. Take all the help you an get. "If Russia wants to get Bernie elected, so be it."

Originally posted by dadudemon
Is there some sort of tinfoil hat leftist propaganda site that just fills up their site with false information? Because you're definitely reading that.

The 2016 Russian propaganda supported Sanders before the Primaries were done. Before Sanders was robbed of the nomination, he was projected to beat Trump. He was the most likely Dem candidate to be able to beat Trump. Hillary was correctly listed, at the time, as not being able to beat Trump. It is believed that before the DNC corruption struck, the pollsters had it right. And only after the DNC corruption thing happened did you have millions of silent Dem voters who incorrectly reported how they would vote. We, indeed, saw that happen, come election day. The Silent Sanders' voters showed up t to the polls and voted in millions for Trump.

Russia is now, again, posting Pro-Bernie propaganda. According to Wa-Po (lol, leftist moronic propoganda) article posted about 3 hours ago, Sanders is the most likely Dem to be able to beat Trump (and it has shown that in various polls for months, now):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/24/could-bernie-sanders-beat-trump/



So, literally, every position you took in your post is wrong. Ever single one.

1. Russia is helping Sanders. They helped in 2016. And are helping him, now. Russia posted quite a bit of anti-Trump propaganda in 2016.

2. It is not widely believed that Trump can beat Sanders. As fact, Sanders has the highest chance out of all the Dems of beating Trump. It was the case in 2016. It is the case, now.

3. Trump has taken several hard-line stances against Russia. The 2016 propaganda was largely a hoax perpetuated by Democrats to spin their anti-Trump (trying to create the Russian-Collusion) narrative. The Russian ads, which were largely pro-Bernie, pro-SJW, anti-Hillary, anti-Trump, were so sparse and targeting the wrong voting demographics, that it was functionally a failure. It looks more like it was a test.










Seriously, though, what's wrong with acknowledging the fact that Russia supports Bernie? Why does this upset you? Just go with it if you want him to win. Take all the help you an get. "If Russia wants to get Bernie elected, so be it."

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Why is it only Russian hackers we're talking about?


Aren't there a lot of Chinese, Korean, and Indian hackers?

Originally posted by cdtm
Why is it only Russian hackers we're talking about?


Aren't there a lot of Chinese, Korean, and Indian hackers?

Hell if we're gonna complain about election interference why the f*ck aren't we talking about...the United States?

Seeing Bernie cry about leaks meant to harm him is hilarious.

Now he knows maybe 1/100th of what trump has had to deal with.

And btw another reason I look forward to Bernie being the nom. Some sad souls here can't handle Bernie being attacked, I look forward to their tears because the attacks will increase 100 fold if he is the nom. I will just post the articles without comment and let the tears flow.

Originally posted by Surtur
Seeing Bernie cry about leaks meant to harm him is hilarious.

Now he knows maybe 1/100th of what trump has had to deal with.

And btw another reason I look forward to Bernie being the nom. Some sad souls here can't handle Bernie being attacked, I look forward to their tears because the attacks will increase 100 fold if he is the nom. I will just post the articles without comment and let the tears flow.

I just read that he will come out against The Patriot Act.


Just like Obama said. Obama said:

Close Gitmo
End or Foreign Wars
Kill spying on Americans
Universal Healthcare (he tried)
Expand energy to become #1 in the world(he may have done this? I can't remember)
Subsidize the hell out of alternative energy sources to make us the world leader (lol)



If Sanders gets elected, I will either be sorely disappointed or very very happy. End spying on Americans, implement a true UHC, fix the broken immigration system, end our foreign wars, fix the broken tax system, fix our prison system, end corrupt lobbying, and a bunch of other no-nonsense policies that a majority of Americans agree on.

I feel like the way our economy is going if we elect a 78 yr. old socialist we reap what we sow. We deserve the shit that follows.

Oh and I look forward to the spinning that will follow when, if elected, Bernie gets rid of Trump appointee's. Cuz you know it is THE END OF ALL NORMS when Trump gets rid of people who aren't loyal.

Who is dumb enough to believe Bernie will keep the trump appointee's around? Surtur has a bridge made of diamonds to sell you on the cheap, PM me!

He'd have to do it by EO as the Dem's aren't likely to give him much support.

The moderates and neo's outnumber them.

Prediction: there will be claims of "Trump wasn't a legit president cuz Russia, so it's okay to get rid of his appointee's"