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For example, can we say Doomsday is below city level if he's never destroyed a city? Do you always have to go that by line of logic in terms of vs battles, or do we always have to scale from other people?

What do you propose?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
For example, can we say Doomsday is below city level if he's never destroyed a city? Do you always have to go that by line of logic in terms of vs battles, or do we always have to scale from other people?

Scaling from other people is generally the primary method because heroes aren't prone to massive amounts of intentional property damage.

If a character beats the piss out of someone we know can level cities and it's not wholly inconsistent, then it's implied that said person could level a city too if they wanted.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think it depends on how many showings they have.

Deathstroke has plenty of showings, where, whilst he tags Flash, also has many showings where he is much slower than Flash (hit by bullets, for example).

Therefore, fights don't count as much. Feats do. Because of PIS, or WIS, or whatever, where he has to be shown to be a threat - thus, dumbing down the other side. Why else would Toyman be a fricking threat, lol.

LT? Darkseid? Fights count much more. They don't have as many appearances. ABC scaling is needed. When they enter a fight, it's a pretty damn big deal.

Captain Marvel? He has a fair few appearances. So his feats need to be taken into account. Orion? Fewer - and then, he only seems to be trotted out for fights (he IS the Dog of War, after all). So his fights count for more.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It depends on the number of showings they have, total.

IOW: if a character has very few appearances (LT, In-Betweener, Orion, Galactus) then their fights are a better gauge of their power.

The more showings a character has, and the more they start interacting with other characters, the more their fights get diluted. Lobo is a good example, as are the Lanterns. You yourself acknowledge, in team books Lobo is less impressive. Lanterns are terrible against bricks. That's when their feats become more of a gauge, where writers don't have to dilute them. Batman and Cap are also good examples of this.