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would this still apply?

Has the notion been debunked in recent events or is the statement still true

Diana is better trained and her reflexes are automatic muscle memory.

Supes has the advantage in the raw speed, but he sucks when it comes to fighting.

That's why all those Grundies, Kalibaks, Monguls and other shitty low level bricks have been raping him in the ass for centuries.

LMAO

Someone had to say it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicnewbies.com/2015/12/30/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war/amp/

Superman in terms of raw speed, But WW is a better fighter

I've always been of the belief that they're around even when it comes to actual fighting, with him being in front of her if either of them is.

JFC, this thread though.

Meh people will keep regurgitating things until it's taken off the table.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Meh people will keep regurgitating things until it's taken off the table.

Someone post that issue where Flash and SUperman are having a conversation and they are moving so fast it looks like time has stopped and everyone around them are frozen like statues. Show my Diana doing something like that.

Superman is faster than her, period. Combat speed, flight speed, etc....

Originally posted by zopzop
Someone post that issue where Flash and SUperman are having a conversation and they are moving so fast it looks like time has stopped and everyone around them are frozen like statues. Show my Diana doing something like that.

Superman is faster than her, period. Combat speed, flight speed, etc....

Supergirl has done the same thing and Diana moved so fast that Supergirl was questioning her speed. Lol... Diana was wrapping her up in the lasso before she could react. Kryptonians speed fts are nice and all but just like I posted above (where Diana was dancing around a Superman that was amped off of infinite energy and Superman was asking her to stand still and she still blitzed him and tied him up before he could react), Diana dance around Kryptonians. Always have done this.

Originally posted by zopzop
Someone post that issue where Flash and SUperman are having a conversation and they are moving so fast it looks like time has stopped and everyone around them are frozen like statues. Show my Diana doing something like that.

Superman is faster than her, period. Combat speed, flight speed, etc.... The diner dialogue?

Originally posted by carver9
Supergirl has done the same thing and Diana moved so fast that Supergirl was questioning her speed. Lol... Diana was wrapping her up in the lasso before she could react. Kryptonians speed fts are nice and all but just like I posted above (where Diana was dancing around a Superman that was amped off of infinite energy and Superman was asking her to stand still and she still blitzed him and tied him up before he could react), Diana dance around Kryptonians. Always have done this.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

https://i.postimg.cc/fbZYQ0cc/20.png

Originally posted by zopzop
Someone post that issue where Flash and SUperman are having a conversation and they are moving so fast it looks like time has stopped and everyone around them are frozen like statues. Show my Diana doing something like that.

Superman is faster than her, period. Combat speed, flight speed, etc....

Here's the thing.

You won't get a feat like that from Diana. All you will get are ABC power scalings, which are iffy

Batman has never been made to look like a statue against Diana. Was even dancing around a guy who was pummeling WW (Damage).

Does that mean WW is human street level in speed? Of course not.

Does this mean WW's feats against speedsters should be completely ignored? Of course not. But when placed up against Superman....they just pale.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

https://i.postimg.cc/fbZYQ0cc/20.png

I loved that comic. A single bullet... ricocheting... more than enough to end her.

Also, it was fun to see Pr's face when Slade cut through Arthur's "indestructible" trident with ease.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I loved that comic. A single bullet... ricocheting... more than enough to end her.

Also, it was fun to see Pr's face when Slade cut through Arthur's "indestructible" trident with ease.

those hungry people in the background should start eating her ass

Originally posted by Parmaniac
The diner dialogue?
Yeah.

Flash is a fast talker, sure:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/a650590e3f62244de121e46356a22944/tumblr_pos32n9n3x1rvm5qqo1_1280.jpg

... but he can't react to shit

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Diana is better trained and her reflexes are automatic muscle memory.

Supes has the advantage in the raw speed, but he sucks when it comes to fighting.

That's why all those Grundies, Kalibaks, Monguls and other shitty low level bricks have been raping him in the ass for centuries. hmmm, he's been war world champion depowered.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
The diner dialogue?

Got something even better. I'll up your showing with.

Superman freeze breath Diana. She winks out of the ice, Superman cant find her, so instead he listens for a heart beat. She winks behind him...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-aaab012df9e1f91015e36b122e22e03c-c
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5d2ad0438430d2c0b187a8df98599db8
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9fbf8c8eeff1e141f6c37115a2c6df21

Yeah, if you guys aren't going to even remotely try to debate in good faith, I'm going to close the thread. And probably ban people.

Superman vs Zod and Faora...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111153356/3744769-s1.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111153356/3744770-s2.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111153356/3744771-s3.jpg

Wonder Woman vs Zod and Faora

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111153356/3744772-s4.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111153356/3744773-s5.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111153356/3744774-s6.jpg

She didnt get touched not a single time there.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, if you guys aren't going to even remotely try to debate in good faith, I'm going to close the thread. And probably ban people.

What's the bad faith here?

Originally posted by carver9
Superman vs Zod and Faora...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111153356/3744769-s1.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111153356/3744770-s2.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111153356/3744771-s3.jpg

Wonder Woman vs Zod and Faora

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111153356/3744772-s4.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111153356/3744773-s5.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111153356/3744774-s6.jpg

She didnt get touched not a single time there.

Hasn't this been retconned away?

Originally posted by carver9
What's the bad faith here?

Seriously. Don't. We both know the answer.

This is the same Supergirl that grabbed Batman, took him almost cloud height and was about to kill him before Supes could react. Wonder Woman after being surprised attacked kicks her, round house kick her again, trips her up, and tie her arms up, and then tie up her upper body before she could react...

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11131/111314550/7203258-2010091618-18.jp.jpg
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11131/111314550/7203259-5577798457-19.jp.jpg

Originally posted by -Pr-
Seriously. Don't. We both know the answer.

I'm literally posting all of her kryptonian showings as proof. This is what this thread is about. I'm going to post other fights as well like her showing against Cheetah who blitzed the entire JLA.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm literally posting all of her kryptonian showings as proof. This is what this thread is about. I'm going to post other fights as well like her showing against Cheetah who blitzed the entire JLA.

No, that's not what this thread is about. First of all, Supergirl isn't Superman. He has far superior feats to her.

Second of all, you're cherry-picking. As usual.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I loved that comic. A single bullet... ricocheting... more than enough to end her.

Also, it was fun to see Pr's face when Slade cut through Arthur's "indestructible" trident with ease.

When was that?

Originally posted by -Pr-
No, that's not what this thread is about. First of all, Supergirl isn't Superman. He has far superior feats to her.

Second of all, you're cherry-picking. As usual.



When was that?

Wonder Woman doesnt blitz around building houses at Super speed, lol. If shes outreacting kryptonians, then that is usable. If Superman went h2h with an all out Flash and was throwing punch by punch with him, lol, he doesnt have to evacuate a city before a nuke goes off proving that his hand to hand showing with Flash is legit.

Originally posted by -Pr-
When was that?

Justice League (run that started in 2016), issue 43.

And issue 41 is when Diana gets put in a critical condition by a single cheap african bullet bouncing off Clark's chest.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman doesnt blitz around building houses at Super speed, lol. If shes outreacting kryptonians, then that is usable. If Superman went h2h with an all out Flash and was throwing punch by punch with him, lol, he doesnt have to evacuate a city before a nuke goes off proving that his hand to hand showing with Flash is legit.

It isn't usable if the Kryptonians are all provably slower than Superman. It's like me beating a toddler in a foot race, only to then claim I'm on Usain Bolt's level.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Justice League (run that started in 2016), issue 43.

And issue 41 is when Diana gets put in a critical condition by a single cheap african bullet bouncing off Clark's chest.

I either haven't seen that or have forgotten it exists. Either way, it sounds shite, but Aquaman has been treated like shit since Johns left the book, so I'm not surprised.

You have seen it, as I've had time of my life posting the scan in your face.

You experienced such trauma, you created mental blocks to prevent yourself from remembering it.

Kryptonians - even named ones - aren't on Superman's level, any more than humans - even named ones - are on Batman's level.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It isn't usable if the Kryptonians are all provably slower than Superman. It's like me beating a toddler in a foot race, only to then claim I'm on Usain Bolt's level.



I either haven't seen that or have forgotten it exists. Either way, it sounds shite, but Aquaman has been treated like shit since Johns left the book, so I'm not surprised.

That's not the case with any of my recent posts in this thread. I didnt use random Kryptonians, I used Kryptonians that have matched Superman in speed.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

And issue 41 is when Diana gets put in a critical condition by a single cheap AFRICAN bullet bouncing off Clark's chest.

Sneaky.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c224cc49fe59b52382cb5d1c396f0906/tenor.gif

Time to dip my dick in those lips.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, if you guys aren't going to even remotely try to debate in good faith, I'm going to close the thread. And probably ban people.
Please, don't close it.

Originally posted by carver9
Got something even better. I'll up your showing with.

Superman freeze breath Diana. She winks out of the ice, Superman cant find her, so instead he listens for a heart beat. She winks behind him...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-aaab012df9e1f91015e36b122e22e03c-c
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5d2ad0438430d2c0b187a8df98599db8
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9fbf8c8eeff1e141f6c37115a2c6df21 What does a hallucinating Superman turning around to grab a rock -- while Diana creams herself over his strength, speed and invulnerability, and takes advantage of his hallucinations and senses to hide and hurt him, have to do with this thread?

Furthermore, you're using the same arc where Wonder Woman barely manages to lift her bracers while Superman closes the distance -- and she's so slow, she doesn't even manage to do anything before he takes her to the sun and kryptonite saves her, only for Superman to one-shot her across the solar system -- then mercilessly spares her as he stands above and gives her time to regain her consciousness.

https://ibb.co/31LbfH5
https://ibb.co/8M7M73W
https://ibb.co/zGPnwcc
https://ibb.co/RYPb5G0
https://ibb.co/CbQ2ds8
https://ibb.co/f4XRN9t


Originally posted by carver9
Superman vs Zod and Faora...
This is not canon -- as it has been told to you, in multiple threads.

Next time you get reported for trolling, chocolatine.

Originally posted by carver9
This is the same Supergirl that grabbed Batman, took him almost cloud height and was about to kill him before Supes could react. Wonder Woman after being surprised attacked kicks her, round house kick her again, trips her up, and tie her arms up, and then tie up her upper body before she could react...

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11131/111314550/7203258-2010091618-18.jp.jpg
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11131/111314550/7203259-5577798457-19.jp.jpg 1). Supergirl is not Superman.
2). Wonder Woman explicitly admits that Supergirl is as fast as her, but the difference is skill -- as seen in the scans you can't understand:
https://ibb.co/09kGSDp
3). Wonder Woman explicitly says that Power Girl is at least as fast as her, and the only reasons she wins is because of the difference in skill -- as seen in scans you, also, can't understand:
https://ibb.co/dMjT956
https://ibb.co/fqSnnm9
https://ibb.co/KWtGLsm
https://ibb.co/1ZfTvK0

4). New 52 Superman while a noob and split to depower him has already moved fast enough that Supergirl can't even process it.
https://ibb.co/PzcrPbY
5). When he gets serious, Superman can speedblitz both Supergirl and Shazam simultaneously and there's nothing they can do about it:
https://ibb.co/TvmCCqw
https://ibb.co/5nnbkBL
https://ibb.co/QH54mcQ
https://ibb.co/5FS9ZJZ

Now, my illiterate, pussy-lipped, carverchocolate, we have Superman being specifically stated to be faster than Wonder Woman in the official speed-rankings:

https://i.ibb.co/G9kZgHX/Z3ll-V3-Q24i-Zgi-C-2-Eg2ygmtoxrj-T1wdy-LYkhcv-UT9-B-Lhb-VAmh-So73z5q-S8gs-HXou-YGAAHn3-GCQT4-SYzqf-Gn-Dvsilj-Id-Sg-Iuqo-FQYnk3elz-K4-ZDS8-Zffv-Ca-Auuiwe4y0e7r2e-Si-I-s1600.jpg

We have Superman explicitly shown in a direct speed comparison to be faster in sparring:
https://i.ibb.co/8cCnBnJ/1130435-wonderwoman162p04.jpg

We have a serious Wonder Woman armed to the teeth being explicitly shown in direct, back to back same moves, as significantly slower than a very casual Superman:

https://i.ibb.co/zfP717d/Aw-YLM8v7-Nw-Meu-Kd-Xp-YLa-GN2-PQm-B9vv8b-YM3-Lx-Ev6-R-Kq755n-Vj-Rt-Zt-NIXce-OWy-SAB8v-QTz-Pe-WS9-GD5-Gm-Rv-Zj-XJQYxa-SRfz7-BB-5sj-NOfgu-Yi-DBhvxc3p-Eh-Bh-C04-R1-PWrcx-ZRsxr-A-s1600.jpg

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https://i.ibb.co/BLMpx2W/atz-OTQoyi-B-Wf-Rbfrt5pi-RThw-Psbltdw6-S1-Ezvq1-SFo-OD1vj-LHX0jl-KMEYkvjxs-U6wkw-Gtml0h-vs020f9-Qx-W-FKYPMIYJq-Eii-S-P4-s-Vc-EXW3da-WM9-Zbv2-O-gf-Tn-DK9-TBVaq-P7g-s1600.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/Vp60Ch9/rm7t-TE64ngrf-FTAe3w0t-PEfj-Pf2c-JYRhl-M52-Faxx-W2-H96l8u-JJcmopp2-M1-UKo-Ez-Ilrow-Q8lj-Nl-Zh6-FAEFWJBv1-XW272-EJp-SRR4-LHXPYs-nsbzi6l5kcgek9-Cz-Z-5gp-PR3-Cv-Hy3-Snfg-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/bQ4F4VW/dk-XPd7f-T0d1-TGgv-Ov-ZQBr-Pp-Nwal-Siai-S58-TA0jmx-QGn-q-Uh-h-Tp0-Zv-Iuh8f-YX31-G4u-Xfx-Upf-XVL-F2-LW2-F6-EP3u-CE79-Ix-V-q96-W7fcn-PEFVHk-KKGy-K5y-Lf6-UNw-WQBUXNrvk-LIHf-APA-s1600.jpg

We have Superman casually beating her to the point where she admits she never could beat him, even with a sucker shot:
https://ibb.co/Ht0dj61
https://ibb.co/71hd7V5
https://ibb.co/31WsFRj
https://i.ibb.co/vz1GhzV/TOwc6-Ber5q-Ysy-Kz-N48ywwjs-YCb-SLVQJgl2-N68-Nr-6-LIDkpb-z-VLWb-V9-7-NODh-EHg-4t-Mj-PNn-U0-E6-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/XpjB0JJ/19s-Zx9a9w1ad-AHIBv-NGX7em212-ADGs-WI1-BDL-AWkqv-N09w-Gbu-Xz-Ce-S-ld70-Zqp-If-F-w59odgu-MNT-s1600.jpg

We have Superman's reaction time being used instead of Wonder Woman's:
https://ibb.co/tw0qwBm

We have Wonder Woman being so much slower than Superman, that she literally asks him to speedblitz her villains for her:
https://i.ibb.co/6wWqGX8/BUi-6-Kyr8-Sb-Pl-Uq-W-i-Of-Hr-QBqj-Saast-L22m6tifzsfk1-GYz-U6y9g8s-MFk-BM716g1-LH9-Z7-Hq-GFz-BEs-Saldgnzy8-T-yl-O8-OOm-VLZFA9l0-STASqs-RBG23-Ow-D7x-B8-YSBGd-Xbw-GG8b2-Ac-Og-s1600.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/hVg6Q71/DA1-to-UPYQkz-JP4-WKWJ2-9q-W6-v4-ri-AZQTa-Ao-Hf-Ds-P7h-Keyq2u-K-hd-Ph-Lam-GAUP-Bx-Hke-El6lb-QTDf-Al7vq-Bhd-Ks-Arqu-Q4sg4q1-Jk3-BDWk-I5fnipo54-Ac-H87-XK551e6wg-Oq-I9-WA-s1600.jpg

We can even get into how they compare to Flash, and Wonder Woman being a joke:
https://ibb.co/r3VbfXX

So, my smooth brained carvy, stop the trolling.

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Originally posted by carver9
I'm literally posting all of her kryptonian showings as proof. This is what this thread is about. I'm going to post other fights as well like her showing against Cheetah who blitzed the entire JLA.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111212274/4625147-7378011958-shame.jpg

sheesh

So Phil say he is going to report me because of the Zod scan but he then post a Diana vs Supergirl new 52 scan. Now that sh** is funny. At least he took the time to post scans.

Originally posted by carver9
So Phil say he is going to report me because of the Zod scan but he then post a Diana vs Supergirl new 52 scan. Now that sh** is funny. At least he took the time to post scans. Skank lips, that story/version of Zod and Faora have been erased out of existence. Supergirl and Wonder Woman have not.

You're going to make me bring the whip out again, aren't you?

I'm not going to argue it but that doesnt make one bit of sense. New 52 Supes is canon to current Supes. ALL of his showings are canon which imo means that confrontation took place since we know Superman wasnt just swinging at air when that happened. Lol... you cant just erase that story, you're going to have to erase a lot of JLA showings, Titans showings, anything that version of Zod showed up in. Good luck dissecting that.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not going to argue it but that doesnt make one bit of sense. New 52 Supes is canon to current Supes. ALL of his showings are canon which imo means that confrontation took place since we know Superman wasnt just swinging at air when that happened. Lol... you cant just erase that story, you're going to have to erase a lot of JLA showings, Titans showings, anything that version of Zod showed up in. Good luck dissecting that. There's a lot of things that don't make sense to you. It's usually what happens age age and iq are interchangeable.

Doesn't make them any less of a fact -- facts that if you continue to ignore and troll about will be dealt with.

Are you a mod now? I literally told you that I'm not talking about this any longer but yet you're still throwing around threats. I said my peace about the showing without insulting you. You're better than this Philo. Hopefully you are.

Phil, stop being an ass.

Carver, stop being a troll.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Phil, stop being an ass.

Carver, stop being a troll.

dont ever change Pr.

Originally posted by carver9
dont ever change Pr.

Dude. You literally tried to pass off a story from before Superman got a MASSIVE amp as being able to back up your argument.

Stop dicking around.

Originally posted by carver9
Are you a mod now? I literally told you that I'm not talking about this any longer but yet you're still throwing around threats. I said my peace about the showing without insulting you. You're better than this Philo. Hopefully you are. Nobody -- and I do mean nobody -- gives a shit about you "saying your piece". Everybody is just taking turns wiping the floor with you out of boredom.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Phil, stop being an ass.

Carver, stop being a troll. Well, these are both accurate

Originally posted by -Pr-
Dude. You literally tried to pass off a story from before Superman got a MASSIVE amp as being able to back up your argument.

Stop dicking around.

Which story? The Zod fight?

Lol... Phil, if you consider "wiping the floor with me" as meaning something on a comic forum, then that is borderline hilarious. Now, meet me on the tech forum, then we can have a discussion like this but I'm not close to being as invested in the drawings as you are. Lol... who takes this serious? Like, who does?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... Phil, if you consider "wiping the floor with me" as meaning something on a comic forum, then that is borderline hilarious. Now, meet me on the tech forum, then we can have a discussion like this but I'm not close to being as invested in the drawings as you are. Lol... who takes this serious? Like, who does?
Carvchocolate: "I don't even care about you using me as a fleshlight on the topic of these, what do you call them, drawings? Talk to me about phones"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESeq6GzXQAIzBeH.jpg

What a loser.

Lol... I'm being called a loser because I dont cry about comics.

Maybe one day Philo you'll get to me but until then, it's always been a weird interaction with you due to you being an emotional creature. Hope your internet personality doesnt match what you truly are.

Lmao.

Anyway, it's telling that almost non-existent of those scans were refuted. Oh well.

https://i.imgur.com/dlggQrs.png

Wait, how did you get that?

Lol... so you have friended me on my instagram?

I just went and removed everyone I dont know.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111212274/4625147-7378011958-shame.jpg

Wonder Woman has the worst villains.

Well, almost. Flash's rogue gallery sucks the most.

Batman has probably punched them all out.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Well, almost. Flash's rogue gallery sucks the most.

I don't love you anymore

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wonder Woman has the worst villains.

Well, almost. Flash's rogue gallery sucks the most.

Matches with the hero then.

https://i.postimg.cc/jqGMKVJT/RCO004-1468809892.jpg

Imagine having to be told to go fast - the one thing you can do - by the guy with no powers.

Yeah, you've posted that panel before

Also... it perfectly explains this classic scene:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/a650590e3f62244de121e46356a22944/tumblr_pos32n9n3x1rvm5qqo1_1280.jpg

Originally posted by MrMind
https://i.imgur.com/dlggQrs.png lmao

WW.

Superman

But but there was that scene with Batman, when they reference Usain Bolt!!

Wonder Woman reactions are faster, by miles tbh. Amazo with Superman speed couldnt even hit her with heat vision. This isnt debatable, she's faster. Superman flight speed is better though

I forgot about this thread.

But yeah, Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman reactions are faster, by miles tbh. Amazo with Superman speed couldnt even hit her with heat vision. This isnt debatable, she's faster. Superman flight speed is better though
Heat vision from Amazo is somehow faster? Superman is outright faster than heat vision itself.

Can we talk about how Superman screamed "aah!" after Wonder Woman flicked her wrist?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heat vision from Amazo is somehow faster? Superman is outright faster than heat vision itself.

This isnt true.

Originally posted by carver9
This isnt true.

Yes it is. Johns said so.

-reading this entire thread-

https://i.imgur.com/cfrhZg2.gif

Originally posted by carver9
This isnt true. Yes it is, whipping boy.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes it is. Johns said so.
It is.

WW showed a lot of combat speed easily blitzing SG dodging and blocking close range HV!

Does this translate to Clark? How much faster is he than Kara?

In "Sacrifice", who landed more blows on who?

https://www.the-medium-is-not-enough.com/images/2018/05/WW47_4.png
https://www.the-medium-is-not-enough.com/images/2018/05/WW47_5-678x509.png
https://www.the-medium-is-not-enough.com/images/2018/05/WW47_6-678x904.png
https://www.the-medium-is-not-enough.com/images/2018/05/WW47_7-678x904.png
https://www.the-medium-is-not-enough.com/images/2018/05/WW47_9-678x904.png

I honestly don't think Clark got a clean blow off WW after she got out of that ice.

These I am posting is the most recent version of WW.

https://i.ibb.co/Y3d0RxL/sfds.png

It would make it easier if you simply posted everything you have in one long post instead of a ton of short ones.

Originally posted by TGATES
I honestly don't think Clark got a clean blow off WW after she got out of that ice. Originally posted by TGATES
These I am posting is the most recent version of WW.

https://i.ibb.co/Y3d0RxL/sfds.png
Sacrifice had Superman hallucinating and shit like that. It's about as useful as Wonder Woman unable to stop a ricocheting bullet.

Superman is actually racing Flashes in Rebirth and even won one time, what's Diana doing in Rebirth?

Diana always tend to seem near untouchable when facing Kryptonians. You will probably find a couple of instances where she does get tag but majority of the time, she overwhelms them with her speed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sacrifice had Superman hallucinating and shit like that. It's about as useful as Wonder Woman unable to stop a ricocheting bullet.

Superman is actually racing Flashes in Rebirth and even won one time, what's Diana doing in Rebirth?

This is what Wonder Woman is doing...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicnewbies.com/2015/12/30/superman-and-wonder-woman-vs-dichara/amp/

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sacrifice had Superman hallucinating and shit like that. It's about as useful as Wonder Woman unable to stop a ricocheting bullet.

Superman is actually racing Flashes in Rebirth and even won one time, what's Diana doing in Rebirth?

being genetically superior to an amped Daxamite

only league member to beat eradicator after evolving past the JL capability to harm him...

defeated phantom stranger

She'd molly whoop Superman at this point

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sacrifice had Superman hallucinating and shit like that. It's about as useful as Wonder Woman unable to stop a ricocheting bullet.

Superman is actually racing Flashes in Rebirth and even won one time, what's Diana doing in Rebirth? Now, now abhi, she did manage to break the olympics record and fly to the Watchtower in 6 minutes:
https://imgur.com/a/JERmC

I mean...the Watchtower is 2 Universe sectors away last time I checked...no?

Also...do you remember in Flash: Rebirth, where Diana left Hal and Superman in the dust as they were all trying to catch the Flash?

https://i.ibb.co/pRGqBr0/9-Fr-Ji-Th-Ic5ijruqr-M5-AZVREWTA2nu7-LBHFRFx-NNK7xl9-Z2-CKc4a-RR007-Zu-NYx-Sd4-J9jjnrdy-Qqov-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/gP7v6J2/lk-H615-T20-W1nz-KIl-Tj-K8y-Ng-SMKAAJv5-Vej-Js-Us4xy8g-Q6f-No-CTWn-HI4jf-WP4aw-Y5154xz9h-Ggghx-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/vk6Jc43/JXym-JOT4wq-HCCEx5l-Fgw-Kh-Nemhg-ODHm-Skwsu-FV75-HMBBln-Sdikb3tq4j-Tcw-SKo65-P8x-XDAS-WV-s1600.jpg

Hm...wait.

There's also this.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/TO3hMnQudrCZRgWeQemYI_MPLbyystD9M-7d3WUfHJjS-r4GCNNvwM9skuK_BYE6oZqTWDpt_evz=s160

Low ballers will argue flight speed, but he does a task between flying away and back, and he's going so fast WW doesn't even know he left.

Yes, it's canon. And it's not the only example we have where he leaves her a statue, as Phildo showed. But tiny tim won't accept it.

Originally posted by Delta1938
There's also this.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/TO3hMnQudrCZRgWeQemYI_MPLbyystD9M-7d3WUfHJjS-r4GCNNvwM9skuK_BYE6oZqTWDpt_evz=s160

Low ballers will argue flight speed, but he does a task between flying away and back, and he's going so fast WW doesn't even know he left.

Yes, it's canon. And it's not the only example we have where he leaves her a statue, as Phildo showed. But tiny tim won't accept it. What's in that scan? I didn't bring my binoculars.

That's from the man who has everything storyline (aka Black Mercy).

https://i.postimg.cc/RZgSVMkJ/RCO039-1467169812.jpg

WW gives him a shitty gift, and he flies off with it before she realises.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
What's in that scan? I didn't bring my binoculars.

My bad.

Thanks DS.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sacrifice had Superman hallucinating and shit like that. It's about as useful as Wonder Woman unable to stop a ricocheting bullet.

Superman is actually racing Flashes in Rebirth and even won one time, what's Diana doing in Rebirth?

https://i.ibb.co/5krXy2q/ww.png

Blitzing Cheetah!

https://i.ibb.co/5Fs0cYb/RCO015-w-1571876248.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/GCW1GYy/RCO016-w-1571876248.jpg

Comics is full of inconsistencies and varying levels. So we should look at best quantifiable feats.

Superman is somewhat better than Diana in that regard.

That same Cheetah blitzed the entire JLA.

Is that really a speedblitz though? Cheetah last saw Wonder Woman on her knees and was running in the opposite direction when she tackled her up into the sky. You can speedblitz anybody if you run into them from behind when they're not looking at you.

lol @ thread.

Did anyone say Diana was actually slow? Not that I can see. Saying Superman is faster doesn't mean the same thing as saying Diana is slow. Not when the only people faster than Superman tend to be Flash-level speedsters.

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol @ thread.

Did anyone say Diana was actually slow? Not that I can see. Saying Superman is faster doesn't mean the same thing as saying Diana is slow. Not when the only people faster than Superman tend to be Flash-level speedsters.

He may actually be. It may be like 1-2 mph. By how much is he faster? That is the central issue. Is it enough to matter? Has it mattered in the past?

I think writer intent puts them equal since she he is able to blitz her ala Sacrafice but the fight took a turn. Diana got more clean punches off Superman.

It's usually blow for blow or Diana getting more licks. This would not happen if writers want him to be significantly faster when they meet, not in other scenarios from other books.

Same with "For Tomorrow". He blitz, but it didn't really do anything to change the tide of the fight. She still uses speed to kick the shit out of him. Why didn't he didn't dodge the kick if she is significantly faster? Why didn't he dodge her tiara when she slit his throat? We can go back and say "oh she wasn't able to get brackets up before he blitz her to the sun". We could also say she is faster or just as fast since she was able to slit his throat.

In each and every fight, he simple is not able to get more licks off of her.

We also need to take into consideration how Cheetah( a reg WW villain) scales to Superman and other speedsters.

Writers intend for her to be as fast or faster when they fight. It's been like that almost all the time.

Originally posted by TGATES
He may actually be. It may be like 1-2 mph. By how much is he faster? That is the central issue. Is it enough to matter? Has it mattered in the past?

I think writer intent puts them equal since she he is able to blitz her ala Sacrafice but the fight took a turn. Diana got more clean punches off Superman.

It's usually blow for blow or Diana getting more licks. This would not happen if writers want him to be significantly faster when they meet, not in other scenarios from other books.

Same with "For Tomorrow". He blitz, but it didn't really do anything to change the tide of the fight. She still uses speed to kick the shit out of him. Why didn't he didn't dodge the kick if she is significantly faster? Why didn't he dodge her tiara when she slit his throat? We can go back and say "oh she wasn't able to get brackets up before he blitz her to the sun". We could also say she is faster or just as fast since she was able to slit his throat.

In each and every fight, he simple is not able to get more licks off of her.

We also need to take into consideration how Cheetah( a reg WW villain) scales to Superman and other speedsters.

Writers intend for her to be as fast or faster when they fight. It's been like that almost all the time.

Superman has enemies that can keep up with him too. That can keep up with Wonder Woman, so I wouldn't say Cheetah is in a league of her own.

Superman has done just fine against her in the past. Even in Sacrifice, when he's compromised, he'd still easily fast enough to keep up with her if not faster. In For Tomorrow he, if we're being honest, kind of embarassed her, and it wasn't like they were just sparring.

If you want to argue that the gap between them isn't really that big either way, I'm honestly not going to argue with you. I actually like the idea of them, in reflexes at least, being pretty close.

The problem is the multitude of "Superman builds x really fast" feats, and he has considerably more of those than Diana does. And they do translate to combat ability.

Originally posted by carver9
Diana always tend to seem near untouchable when facing Kryptonians. You will probably find a couple of instances where she does get tag but majority of the time, she overwhelms them with her speed. Originally posted by carver9
This is what Wonder Woman is doing...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicnewbies.com/2015/12/30/superman-and-wonder-woman-vs-dichara/amp/


Just like she did against Eradicator just now? Or random daxamites?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
being genetically superior to an amped Daxamite

only league member to beat eradicator after evolving past the JL capability to harm him...

defeated phantom stranger

She'd molly whoop Superman at this point
We are talking about speed feats kid. Can't you read?

Originally posted by TGATES
https://i.ibb.co/5krXy2q/ww.png

WOW! I mean WOW.

Bullrushing Cheetah and bearhugging her is blitzing now?

Originally posted by TGATES
He may actually be. It may be like 1-2 mph. By how much is he faster? That is the central issue. Is it enough to matter? Has it mattered in the past?

I think writer intent puts them equal since she he is able to blitz her ala Sacrafice but the fight took a turn. Diana got more clean punches off Superman.

It's usually blow for blow or Diana getting more licks. This would not happen if writers want him to be significantly faster when they meet, not in other scenarios from other books.

Same with "For Tomorrow". He blitz, but it didn't really do anything to change the tide of the fight. She still uses speed to kick the shit out of him. Why didn't he didn't dodge the kick if she is significantly faster? Why didn't he dodge her tiara when she slit his throat? We can go back and say "oh she wasn't able to get brackets up before he blitz her to the sun". We could also say she is faster or just as fast since she was able to slit his throat.

In each and every fight, he simple is not able to get more licks off of her.

We also need to take into consideration how Cheetah( a reg WW villain) scales to Superman and other speedsters.

Writers intend for her to be as fast or faster when they fight. It's been like that almost all the time.
No, it isn't. Superman has been able to blitz Parasite, remove him from the ground so fast that Cheetah couldn't even react to him.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3x98hu9nbxM/VuJqtdnlaZI/AAAAAAAAIgw/pBjO-E0ZjhsQ0NR8DsZYWBsuWNzH_m6SgCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO017.jpg

This was while Vixen had drained him of his powers BTW.

Even in the speed department by the writer, she has been consistently left out. Like in human race, she isn't among the top five fastest beings without Wally, Superman is.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pg_qjO-2YJ4/VnuwiWzF_fI/AAAAAAAAa80/c7XcNg0Cb6A/s1600-Ic42/RCO014.jpg

Cue the current speed rankings where Wonder Woman is several steps behind Superman.

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/sp/a5be2be5a1a995347a3e50e4d7e6f94a/FastestChars.jpg

So no, the writers don't think she is as fast as Superman, not even close.

Originally posted by carver9
That same Cheetah blitzed the entire JLA.
Wrong Cheetah, Carvy.

Originally posted by carver9
That same Cheetah blitzed the entire JLA.
Nope.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman has enemies that can keep up with him too. That can keep up with Wonder Woman, so I wouldn't say Cheetah is in a league of her own.

Superman has done just fine against her in the past. Even in Sacrifice, when he's compromised, he'd still easily fast enough to keep up with her if not faster. In For Tomorrow he, if we're being honest, kind of embarassed her, and it wasn't like they were just sparring.

If you want to argue that the gap between them isn't really that big either way, I'm honestly not going to argue with you. I actually like the idea of them, in reflexes at least, being pretty close.

The problem is the multitude of "Superman builds x really fast" feats, and he has considerably more of those than Diana does. And they do translate to combat ability.

They chose not to write her that way, but when she and supes square off, and all abilities considered, his feats of speed don't really tip the battles in his favor.

I don't see how he embarrassed her when she sheild slid and kicked the crap out of him into the sky. He didn't counter it. She did similar to him when she was going to save Steve Trevor and he did not block or duck. If someone is fighting me, I would hope they fight me back if I pull a dagger lol. Point is, it wasn't one sided. It was blow for blow.

Just imagine if she had used the weapon to it's maximum extent. It's almost certain death or severe injury.

May be they should better explain WW speed. They make special references to supes as far time taken (picosecond etc). But that still doesn't tip the scale. We would have to accept, at the very least, that in order for ww to land a single clean blow, her hands and feet have to be moving faster than supes can perceive for fight between them to be remotely interesting.

Maybe references need to be made concerning the nature of ww speed to make it more believable for people. The lack feats and references is what's killing her lol.

We have to assume that since she can keep up, that she is close or superior in some cases for her to get as many clean shots, parrying shots, plus blocking light-based attacks all at the same time reaching for weapons such as lasso etc would imply equal or greater reaction speed, skill, and dexterity with weapons. She did that with supergirl and supes. Might imply greater speed since she had to reach for weapon, get it out, aim all before Kara got her HV off.

In her fight with supes she was blocking supes punches, dodging HV at close range all while using a flexie weapon which hard to do lol. Speed, skill, and dexterity.

Originally posted by TGATES
They chose not to write her that way, but when she and supes square off, and all abilities considered, his feats of speed don't really tip the battles in his favor.

I don't see how he embarrassed her when she sheild slid and kicked the crap out of him into the sky. He didn't counter it. She did similar to him when she was going to save Steve Trevor and he did not block or duck. If someone is fighting me, I would hope they fight me back if I pull a dagger lol. Point is, it wasn't one sided. It was blow for blow.

Just imagine if she had used the weapon to it's maximum extent. It's almost certain death or severe injury.

May be they should better explain WW speed. They make special references to supes as far time taken (picosecond etc). But that still doesn't tip the scale. We would have to accept, at the very least, that in order for ww to land a single clean blow, her hands and feet have to be moving faster than supes can perceive for fight between them to be remotely interesting.

Maybe references need to be made concerning the nature of ww speed to make it more believable for people. The lack feats and references is what's killing her lol.

We have to assume that since she can keep up, that she is close or superior in some cases for her to get as many clean shots, parrying shots, plus blocking light-based attacks all at the same time reaching for weapons such as lasso etc would imply equal or greater reaction speed, skill, and dexterity with weapons. She did that with supergirl and supes. Might imply greater speed since she had to reach for weapon, get it out, aim all before Kara got her HV off.

In her fight with supes she was blocking supes punches, dodging HV at close range all while using a flexie weapon which hard to do lol. Speed, skill, and dexterity.

You can replace Superman with Batman and it's just as relevant. WW has never moved faster than Batman can perceive in their fights, certainly not in n52.

And it's interesting to note that in the example some people use for Cheetah (Carver), Cheetah wasn't moving faster than Batman could perceive.

Does that mean Batman is equal to WW? Of course not. It means the writers were creating a sexy fight scene readers will enjoy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it isn't. Superman has been able to blitz Parasite, remove him from the ground so fast that Cheetah couldn't even react to him.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3x98hu9nbxM/VuJqtdnlaZI/AAAAAAAAIgw/pBjO-E0ZjhsQ0NR8DsZYWBsuWNzH_m6SgCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO017.jpg

This was while Vixen had drained him of his powers BTW.

Even in the speed department by the writer, she has been consistently left out. Like in human race, she isn't among the top five fastest beings without Wally, Superman is.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pg_qjO-2YJ4/VnuwiWzF_fI/AAAAAAAAa80/c7XcNg0Cb6A/s1600-Ic42/RCO014.jpg

Cue the current speed rankings where Wonder Woman is several steps behind Superman.

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/sp/a5be2be5a1a995347a3e50e4d7e6f94a/FastestChars.jpg

So no, the writers don't think she is as fast as Superman, not even close.

Cheetah is FAST and WW battles her regularly.

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/the-cheetah-infects-superman-1.jpg

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/the-cheetah-infects-superman-2.jpg

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/12/121834/4162247-cheetahmolestsflash.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6nhyERIUAALxBW?format=jpg

Ignoring counter-evidence and doubling down with more of the same doesn't really change anything. For example, you've got a post of Cheetah taking down Batman and saying WW fights her often. But there are posts of Batman keeping up with and even outfighting Diana.

Originally posted by TGATES
They chose not to write her that way, but when she and supes square off, and all abilities considered, his feats of speed don't really tip the battles in his favor.

I don't see how he embarrassed her when she sheild slid and kicked the crap out of him into the sky. He didn't counter it. She did similar to him when she was going to save Steve Trevor and he did not block or duck. If someone is fighting me, I would hope they fight me back if I pull a dagger lol. Point is, it wasn't one sided. It was blow for blow.

Just imagine if she had used the weapon to it's maximum extent. It's almost certain death or severe injury.

May be they should better explain WW speed. They make special references to supes as far time taken (picosecond etc). But that still doesn't tip the scale. We would have to accept, at the very least, that in order for ww to land a single clean blow, her hands and feet have to be moving faster than supes can perceive for fight between them to be remotely interesting.

Maybe references need to be made concerning the nature of ww speed to make it more believable for people. The lack feats and references is what's killing her lol.

We have to assume that since she can keep up, that she is close or superior in some cases for her to get as many clean shots, parrying shots, plus blocking light-based attacks all at the same time reaching for weapons such as lasso etc would imply equal or greater reaction speed, skill, and dexterity with weapons. She did that with supergirl and supes. Might imply greater speed since she had to reach for weapon, get it out, aim all before Kara got her HV off.

In her fight with supes she was blocking supes punches, dodging HV at close range all while using a flexie weapon which hard to do lol. Speed, skill, and dexterity.

In theory, I actually agree with large parts of what you're saying, and I don't doubt that Diana is incredibly fast.

As far as For Tomorrow goes, I would argue that if nothing else, it proved that she's not too fast for him.

The problem for me is that we go by feats, as opposed to what/how we think the characters should be written.

Originally posted by KingD19
Ignoring counter-evidence and doubling down with more of the same doesn't really change anything. For example, you've got a post of Cheetah taking down Batman and saying WW fights her often. But there are posts of Batman keeping up with and even outfighting Diana.


No PIS/Full capacity rule is violated by batman WW. We know ww can beat batman easily since he is a reg human. Cheetah is consistent with rule as well.

Comics are inconsistent. There is either a point of reference for their speed or there isn't.

Originally posted by -Pr-
In theory, I actually agree with large parts of what you're saying, and I don't doubt that Diana is incredibly fast.

As far as For Tomorrow goes, I would argue that if nothing else, it proved that she's not too fast for him.

The problem for me is that we go by feats, as opposed to what/how we think the characters should be written.

Cool.

I think going by scaling and writer intent when they square off or fight similar or the same foes is a good point of reference.

I know they had her beating him in Wonder Woman: Dead Earth.

Originally posted by TGATES
No PIS/Full capacity rule is violated by batman WW. We know ww can beat batman easily since he is a reg human. Cheetah is consistent with rule as well.

Comics are inconsistent. There is either a point of reference for their speed or there isn't.

Why is it PIS for BatmanWW and not PIS for Superman/WW?

Originally posted by TGATES
Cheetah is FAST and WW battles her regularly.

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/the-cheetah-infects-superman-1.jpg

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/the-cheetah-infects-superman-2.jpg

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/12/121834/4162247-cheetahmolestsflash.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6nhyERIUAALxBW?format=jpg

She Sucker punched both Superman and Flash, actually got beat up by Aquaman later.

Amped by Zoom, Wally took away her amp.

Question to old-timers.

Is TGATES = fangirl = nvrbeenthatgirl?


Wonder Woman has no other fans on the whole Internet, as far as I know.

Heck Steve Trevor oneshotted Cheetah along with Green Arrow.

Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She Sucker punched both Superman and Flash, actually got beat up by Aquaman later.

Amped by Zoom, Wally took away her amp.

No she didn't and if you're faster, how can you sucker punch/hit someone? Stop.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Question to old-timers.

Is TGATES = fangirl = nvrbeenthatgirl?


Wonder Woman has no other fans on the whole Internet, as far as I know. lol, probably

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Question to old-timers.

Is TGATES = fangirl = nvrbeenthatgirl?


Wonder Woman has no other fans on the whole Internet, as far as I know. Draco.

Hey, I like Wonder Woman...

Originally posted by Galan007
Draco.

Ah yeah, there was that Draco guy.

We've lost so many.

I miss Jaketojakenin I think that was his name. Kid was an aspiring boxer and lovely colorist. Only went outside the lines 75% of the time.

You mean the guy who kept posting those awful kindergarten drawings from deviantart?

Yep lol

I miss the real Jake. The thorbag one.

But yeah, Jakethejakenin... was someone truly special, I agree

Originally posted by carver9
No she didn't and if you're faster, how can you sucker punch/hit someone? Stop.
Because Superman and Flash don't always use their speed. And they are faster, already shown in official DC speedster list.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even in the speed department by the writer, she has been consistently left out. Like in human race, she isn't among the top five fastest beings without Wally, Superman is.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pg_qjO-2YJ4/VnuwiWzF_fI/AAAAAAAAa80/c7XcNg0Cb6A/s1600-Ic42/RCO014.jpg

Cue the current speed rankings where Wonder Woman is several steps behind Superman.

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/sp/a5be2be5a1a995347a3e50e4d7e6f94a/FastestChars.jpg

So no, the writers don't think she is as fast as Superman, not even close.

This jibes quite well with the Usain Bolt vs Bruce Lee analogy.

Captain Marvel should be further up. Ahead of Superman.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
This jibes quite well with the Usain Bolt vs Bruce Lee analogy.
It doesn't. Usain bolt and Bruce Lee are both humans and there isn't levels of speed difference in both.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It doesn't. Usain bolt and Bruce Lee are both humans and there isn't levels of speed difference in both.

There is differences in their speed. Bolt runs faster. Lee would have faster reflexes.

Abhi knows, he's just pretending it doesn't matter.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
There is differences in their speed. Bolt runs faster. Lee would have faster reflexes. and they are both human.

Neither has super speed. Nor can they speed up their senses or make the other look like statue. Bolt runs fast, genetics and training but he won't be able to hit a 100 mph fastball that a short ugly slob of a 2nd baseman on the Astros can hit.



If you shoot superman he'll fly around the bullet millions of times then nearly kill WW by deflecting the bullet off his S.




Superman could have Landed a million punches before the deflected bullet hits WW.
Flying and surgical punching >>>> ww's reflexes.

And Diana and Supes are both meta-heralds.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And Diana and Supes are both meta-heralds. slow day on the boards Stilt.

Originally posted by Diesldude
and they are both human.

Neither has super speed. Nor can they speed up their senses or make the other look like statue. Bolt runs fast, genetics and training but he won't be able to hit a 100 mph fastball that a short ugly slob of a 2nd baseman on the Astros can hit.



If you shoot superman he'll fly around the bullet millions of times then nearly kill WW by deflecting the bullet off his S.




Superman could have Landed a million punches before the deflected bullet hits WW.
Flying and surgical punching >>>> ww's reflexes.

All of that is well and good but has not translated into being dominant in a fight with Diana.

iirc, He has never landed more punches on her than vice versa.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
There is differences in their speed. Bolt runs faster. Lee would have faster reflexes.
It doesn't mean Lee has better reflexes than a tiger which would be correct analogy as Superman is far faster than Diana. Originally posted by TGATES
All of that is well and good but has not translated into being dominant in a fight with Diana.

iirc, He has never landed more punches on her than vice versa.
Right, because almost every time they have fought Superman is mind controlled and thus compromised. Whenever he isn't, he almost always blitzes her down.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It doesn't mean Lee has better reflexes than a tiger which would be correct analogy as Superman is far faster than Diana.
Right, because almost every time they have fought Superman is mind controlled and thus compromised. Whenever he isn't, he almost always blitzes her down.

Superman and Wonder Woman are comparable humanoids who can procreate together.

Mind controlled like Hulk vs Ben?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Superman and Wonder Woman are comparable humanoids who can procreate together.

Mind controlled like Hulk vs Ben?
They are different species and have different levels of speed.

Why are you bringing two characters in the thread who are not related to the thread? If you want to argue about Ben vs Hulk, open a thread.

Wait, where is it said WW and Superman can procreate? And have they?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, where is it said WW and Superman can procreate? And have they?

Isn't Hunter their son who travels back in time? Plus, there are multiple alternate realities where they procreate.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They are different species and have different levels of speed.

Why are you bringing two characters in the thread who are not related to the thread? If you want to argue about Ben vs Hulk, open a thread.

Yes, he has faster superspeed, she has quicker reflexes.

Pointing out your inconsistency.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Isn't Hunter their son who travels back in time? Plus, there are multiple alternate realities where they procreate.

Alt realities? Hmmm.

So nothing in mainstream DCU?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yes, he has faster superspeed, she has quicker reflexes.

Pointing out your inconsistency.

This

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.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Hunter traveled back in time to the maintream DCU.

Wait, are you talking about Hunter Prince?

https://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Superman-Adopted-Wonder-Woman-Son-Hunter.jpg

Not Superman's.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Alt realities? Hmmm.

So nothing in mainstream DCU?

So are you saying that you can't apply the physical realities of alternate versions of characters to mainstream (Mad Celestials for example)?