Time to prove it: Doomsday speed fts vs Elites

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carver9
Time to prove it. Is Doomsday as fast as an all out:

Superman
Flash
Gladiator
Captain Marvel
Supergirl

No statements used here. Let's use had core proof on his speed.

-Pr-
JFC...

carver9
Hope you're not taking this thread serious Pr. I truly want to debate this.

JBL
DD is nothing compared to those characters in speed, reflex's or anything concerning speed.

MrMind
Why not proving Hulk, ugly?

meep-meep
Originally posted by carver9
Hope you're not taking this thread serious Pr. I truly want to debate this.

If you don't want someone to take the topic serious... but truly debate it...

carver9
Originally posted by MrMind
Why not proving Hulk, ugly?

Show me your pics. Also, stay on topic.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by meep-meep
If you don't want someone to take the topic serious... but truly debate it...

laughing out loud

Carver just gave poor Pr a stroke.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by JBL
DD is nothing compared to those characters in speed, reflex's or anything concerning speed.

Correct.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by carver9
Hope you're not taking this thread serious Pr. I truly want to debate this.


This is some double speak shit, if ive ever seen it. You should work in political campaigns.

Also, dd is fast enough to contend with the fastest of dc

Happy Dance

lawest9
Originally posted by ilikecomics
This is some double speak shit, if ive ever seen it. You should work in political campaigns.

Also, dd is fast enough to contend with the fastest of dc

Happy Dance Then the fastest of Marvel shouldn't be a problem.

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
Hope you're not taking this thread serious Pr. I truly want to debate this.

You want me not to take it seriously, but you also want it to be debated seriously? Which is it?

==

Anyway, both in concept and portrayal, Doomsday was meant to have enough speed to contend with Superman, to the point that even when using superspeed, Superman would have major trouble beating him. This has been consistent across almost all the versions of Doomsday we've seen in comics.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by ilikecomics
This is some double speak shit, if ive ever seen it. You should work in political campaigns.

Also, dd is fast enough to contend with the fastest of dc

Happy Dance

Lots of characters contend with DC's fastest. I think what is being asked are actual speed feats to justify this battle board's standards.

Galan007
Originally posted by -Pr-
You want me not to take it seriously, but you also want it to be debated seriously? Which is it?

==

Anyway, both in concept and portrayal, Doomsday was meant to have enough speed to contend with Superman, to the point that even when using superspeed, Superman would have major trouble beating him. This has been consistent across almost all the versions of Doomsday we've seen in comics. thumb up

A bloodlusted Superman(ala DoS), who is in the process of getting pummeled, explicitly states that he has to keep increasing his speed just to contend with Doomsday.

Don't get why there's a need to make this so hard?

TheHulkster
Originally posted by -Pr-
You want me not to take it seriously, but you also want it to be debated seriously? Which is it?

==

Anyway, both in concept and portrayal, Doomsday was meant to have enough speed to contend with Superman, to the point that even when using superspeed, Superman would have major trouble beating him. This has been consistent across almost all the versions of Doomsday we've seen in comics.

Well, you have scenes of Superman and Flash talking and seemingly moving around normally while the rest of the world appears frozen. We've never seen DD in such a scene. On the other hand, we have Superman fighting Doomsday and struggling against his speed while the rest of the world is able to spectate and comment on the details of the fight. So how does that work for full capacity?

DarkSaint85
Next thread: who can bench more, Batman or TOAA? No statements, only scans of their benchpressing feats please.

I bet Batman can bench more.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Well, you have scenes of Superman and Flash talking and seemingly moving around normally while the rest of the world appears frozen. We've never seen DD in such a scene. On the other hand, we have Superman fighting Doomsday and struggling against his speed while the rest of the world is able to spectate and comment on the details of the fight. So how does that work for full capacity?

You also have Superman being able to spectate and comment on Barry/Wally outracing Death, so how does that work for full capacity?

-Pr-
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Well, you have scenes of Superman and Flash talking and seemingly moving around normally while the rest of the world appears frozen. We've never seen DD in such a scene. On the other hand, we have Superman fighting Doomsday and struggling against his speed while the rest of the world is able to spectate and comment on the details of the fight. So how does that work for full capacity?

DD knows like five words. How the hell could he have a conversation?

Seriously though. I get what you're saying, but that isn't the only way to measure speed. And even in DOS, people literally say they're seeing a blur as Superman and Doomsday fight.

And Superman isn't even going all out at that point either.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by -Pr-
DD knows like five words. How the hell could he have a conversation?

Seriously though. I get what you're saying, but that isn't the only way to measure speed. And even in DOS, people literally say they're seeing a blur as Superman and Doomsday fight.

And Superman isn't even going all out at that point either.

To be fair, I don't think people understand artwork.

Here, the characters clearly say that Superman is a red and blue blur:
https://i.postimg.cc/KjfhT8r7/RCO100-1462958057.jpg

Yet we DON'T see this depicted in the art. Because of this, people who skim read the comic and only look at the pictures think that they are static and fighting at street level, perhaps?

DarkSaint85
Just to point out:
Guy Gardner tried to sucker punch Doomsday from behind, back when he was still covered up and literally had one arm tied behind his back:
https://i.postimg.cc/1zVSdPsP/RCO039-1462958057.jpg
.....
https://i.postimg.cc/L8bRvhdN/RCO040-1462958057.jpg

He reacts, grabs Guy, and destroys him so quickly, he couldn't react. Literally curbstomps him.

How fast is Guy?
https://i.postimg.cc/0Qv4CqNV/bWiokOy.jpg
"Toots" evil face

TheHulkster
You can see a blurry figure. In the above example, Superman is a blur while flying into Doomsday, so that is flight speed. Ulik can't see Thor's arm move:

https://i.imgur.com/cYYTLLu.jpg

A ceiling fan appears as a blur. That is a far cry from hyperspeed mode where the rest of the world is perceived as frozen during Superman's prolonged interaction with Flash. People here always claim that this or that character would be a statue to Superman. Doomsday should be at least near statue against Superman based on standards here.

DarkSaint85
Not the point made but ok

Galan007
Guy: "So fast I didn't even see him move!":
https://i.imgur.com/nJf3vPF.jpg

Booster: "He's faster than Flash!":
https://i.imgur.com/uXXEbKw.jpg

Maxima: "How could he move so fast?":
https://i.imgur.com/Gy7ZSU3.jpg

Superman: "Have to move faster...match Doomsday's speed...Or I'm done!":
https://i.imgur.com/3ro2NOq.jpg


But clearly the intent was for Doomsday to be moving at ceiling fan level. thumb up

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Galan007
Guy: "So fast I didn't even see him move!":
https://i.imgur.com/nJf3vPF.jpg

Booster: "He's faster than Flash!":
https://i.imgur.com/uXXEbKw.jpg

Maxima: "How could he move so fast?":
https://i.imgur.com/Gy7ZSU3.jpg

Superman: "Have to move faster...match Doomsday's speed...Or I'm done!":
https://i.imgur.com/3ro2NOq.jpg


But clearly the intent was for Doomsday to be moving at ceiling fan level. thumb up

Forget dos, forget hunter prey, it's all about 3 speed setting doomsday.

If only supes would have pushed him beyond setting three, so dd had to yank his pull chain 1 more time, making him turn off.

Fan powered dd is op but has an easy exploit.

carver9
Originally posted by Galan007
Guy: "So fast I didn't even see him move!":
https://i.imgur.com/nJf3vPF.jpg

Booster: "He's faster than Flash!":
https://i.imgur.com/uXXEbKw.jpg

Maxima: "How could he move so fast?":
https://i.imgur.com/Gy7ZSU3.jpg

Superman: "Have to move faster...match Doomsday's speed...Or I'm done!":
https://i.imgur.com/3ro2NOq.jpg


But clearly the intent was for Doomsday to be moving at ceiling fan level. thumb up

And none of this proves that he is anywhere close to Supermans best speed showings or anyone else that is mentioned in this thread. He just isnt. He is quick for his size but he is nowhere near Flash or Superman levels of speed.

TheHulkster
Interesting to use hyping lip service and what it means regarding what the writer intended to show. It's clear what Busiek intended to show with Superman vs Thor, but that didn't stop those declaring it a stomp.

Anyhow, the Flash comparison is classic hyperbole and DD's speed is clearly a problem for Superman when he is not in hyperspeed mode. But when has DD shown anything like this:

https://imgur.com/a/eHBi8Ah
https://imgur.com/a/qTesAin
https://imgur.com/a/UobzBGg

cdtm
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just to point out:
Guy Gardner tried to sucker punch Doomsday from behind, back when he was still covered up and literally had one arm tied behind his back:
https://i.postimg.cc/1zVSdPsP/RCO039-1462958057.jpg
.....
https://i.postimg.cc/L8bRvhdN/RCO040-1462958057.jpg

He reacts, grabs Guy, and destroys him so quickly, he couldn't react. Literally curbstomps him.

How fast is Guy?
https://i.postimg.cc/0Qv4CqNV/bWiokOy.jpg
"Toots" evil face


And Guy even blocked yellow.


He overcame the "Fear Parasite" before it was even a concept.

Eli Vanto
Doomsday beast all of them.

LordGod
So do people just refuse to scale at all or what? confused

Even in that era Superman could easily operate on the nanosecond level, but he still had to keep increasing his speed just to match Doomsday. It's not that hard to grasp.

Or is this just one of those DC low-balling things?

carver9
Let me pull a Darksaint here. Difference is, this is Superman and not Hulk, so I will probably get banned. Anyways, this era Superman did the same exact thing against Shadow Dragon.

"I missed". "I missed again but I doubled my speed...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5000949-2443388914-36636.jpg

Blitzed...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5000952-4239321019-36636.jpg

"I've never fought someone who's faster than me". "Missed again"...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5000953-9350172372-36636.jpg

Identical scenes. Same Superman. I'm not buying it with Doomsday OR Shadowdragon speed. Think this happened with Lobo as well.

-Pr-
I don't think Darksaint has ever low-balled a character that badly, so...

carver9
Edit

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't think Darksaint has ever low-balled a character that badly, so...

I wouldnt call that lowballing. So Darksaint mentioning Hulk beating a weak team of Avengers because they couldnt stop a meteor isnt lowballing?

carver9
Edit

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
I wouldnt call that lowballing. So Darksaint mentioning Hulk beating a weak team of Avengers because they couldnt stop a meteor isnt lowballing?

That's like equating Darksaint occasionally putting a bag of shit on my doorstep to you rolling up in a dump-truck and leaving a t-rex sized pile of shit on my lawn. Several times a week.

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
That's like equating Darksaint occasionally putting a bag of shit on my doorstep to you rolling up in a dump-truck and leaving a t-rex sized pile of shit on my lawn. Several times a week.

Lol... so you're basically saying my post reminds you of a turd? That's what I got from your reply. If I didnt have him blocked, I would show you what I mean. The showing isnt to downplay Superman speed since I did rank him as an elite here but it is to show that Superman have commented on people speed on numerous of occasions. People that isnt high end speedsters like the flash.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by carver9
Let me pull a Darksaint here. Difference is, this is Superman and not Hulk, so I will probably get banned. Anyways, this era Superman did the same exact thing against Shadow Dragon.

"I missed". "I missed again but I doubled my speed...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5000949-2443388914-36636.jpg

Blitzed...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5000952-4239321019-36636.jpg

"I've never fought someone who's faster than me". "Missed again"...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5000953-9350172372-36636.jpg

Identical scenes. Same Superman. I'm not buying it with Doomsday OR Shadowdragon speed. Think this happened with Lobo as well.

thumb up

cdtm
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't think Darksaint has ever low-balled a character that badly, so...

Iron Fist.

cdtm
Originally posted by carver9
Let me pull a Darksaint here. Difference is, this is Superman and not Hulk, so I will probably get banned. Anyways, this era Superman did the same exact thing against Shadow Dragon.

"I missed". "I missed again but I doubled my speed...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5000949-2443388914-36636.jpg

Blitzed...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5000952-4239321019-36636.jpg

"I've never fought someone who's faster than me". "Missed again"...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5000953-9350172372-36636.jpg

Identical scenes. Same Superman. I'm not buying it with Doomsday OR Shadowdragon speed. Think this happened with Lobo as well.


What's not to buy? The scene makes it clear what's happening.


May as well call Hulk and everyone who ever commented on his strength a liar.

JBL
Are people still arguing that DD can compete with the likes of flash, WW, Superman, Gladiator or any other speedster?? Utter amazement!

-Pr-
You don't argue something when it's true; you dispute it. Doesn't make a difference, but still.

Originally posted by cdtm
Iron Fist.

Well, he should stop doing that.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... so you're basically saying my post reminds you of a turd? That's what I got from your reply. If I didnt have him blocked, I would show you what I mean. The showing isnt to downplay Superman speed since I did rank him as an elite here but it is to show that Superman have commented on people speed on numerous of occasions. People that isnt high end speedsters like the flash.

...No. I'm saying it's rich you complaining about anyone else lowballing when you're arguably the biggest committer of that offence on this site.

And yes, cherry picking the way you were doing is lowballing.

JBL
Originally posted by -Pr-
You don't argue something when it's true; you dispute it. Doesn't make a difference, but still.



Well, he should stop doing that.



...No. I'm saying it's rich you complaining about anyone else lowballing when you're arguably the biggest committer of that offence on this site.

And yes, cherry picking the way you were doing is lowballing. So you think DD is in the same speed class as WW, Gladiator, Superman and flash?

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
You don't argue something when it's true; you dispute it. Doesn't make a difference, but still.



Well, he should stop doing that.



...No. I'm saying it's rich you complaining about anyone else lowballing when you're arguably the biggest committer of that offence on this site.

And yes, cherry picking the way you were doing is lowballing.

That's not the only showing though. I literally said there are other showings that match this. Similar showings. Yes, Doomsday is quick but I dont think he is Superman quick, let alone Flash quick. Doomsday even when he is allowed to do it, isnt evacuating a city before a nuke completely goes off. Lol.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Let me pull a Darksaint here. Difference is, this is Superman and not Hulk, so I will probably get banned. Anyways, this era Superman did the same exact thing against Shadow Dragon.

"I missed". "I missed again but I doubled my speed...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5000949-2443388914-36636.jpg

Blitzed...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5000952-4239321019-36636.jpg

"I've never fought someone who's faster than me". "Missed again"...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5000953-9350172372-36636.jpg

Identical scenes. Same Superman. I'm not buying it with Doomsday OR Shadowdragon speed. Think this happened with Lobo as well.

Not remotely the same, but ok

-Pr-
Originally posted by JBL
So you think DD is in the same speed class as WW, Gladiator, Superman and flash?

Bar Flash, yes but more importantly, DC does. He's in Superman's reflex speed class, and generally always is due to power creep. That, by extension, puts him in the class of the others. Bar Flash, obviously.

Originally posted by carver9
That's not the only showing though. I literally said there are other showings that match this. Similar showings. Yes, Doomsday is quick but I dont think he is Superman quick, let alone Flash quick. Doomsday even when he is allowed to do it, isnt evacuating a city before a nuke completely goes off. Lol.

What you just described is a combination of reflex and travel speed. The latter of which, Doomsday doesn't have on that level.

So your examples are flawed.

DarkSaint85
A bit more detail as to why Carver is trolling when he says he's 'pulling a DarkSaint'.

Superman has that showing with Shadow Dragon, agreed.

Does Superman have ANY other showings telling us he can be faster, yes or no? In his entire career, does he have showings to say that was his top speed?

Now with Doomsday. Do we have ANY other showings telling us hsi fight with Superman was a slow/fast outlier, yes or no?

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
Time to prove it. Is Doomsday as fast as an all out:

Superman
Flash
Gladiator
Captain Marvel
Supergirl

No statements used here. Let's use had core proof on his speed.

1. Can we scale and use writer's intent? It can be proven that DD was meant (by writer's intentions) to be at least as fast as Superman. Superman stated that he moved so fast that he couldn't respond. The writer had a character state that DD was faster than flash.


2. DD traveled over a mile before DS could manage to turn around. And DS has superhuman level speed and reactions.

3. DD was so fast that he seemingly hit 5 members of the justice league simultaneously (Superman included).

4. DD is Born kryptonian and has the strength, durability, and speed power set beyond them.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Can we scale and use writer's intent? It can be proven that DD was meant (by writer's intentions) to be at least as fast as Superman. Superman stated that he moved so fast that he couldn't respond. The writer had a character state that DD was faster than flash.


2. DD traveled over a mile before DS could manage to turn around. And DS has superhuman level speed and reactions.

3. DD was so fast that he seemingly hit 5 members of the justice league simultaneously (Superman included).

4. DD is Born kryptonian and has the strength, durability, and speed power set beyond them.

DD is not born Kryptonian.

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by TheHulkster
DD is not born Kryptonian. He is like Daxamite, His cellular matrix is similar to Kryptonian

TheHulkster
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
He is like Daxamite, His cellular matrix is similar to Kryptonian

Where is this shown?

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Where is this shown? Anatomy of a Metahuman
https://ibb.co/xYWs11t
Actually, Their cellular matrices is so similar that Batman even thinking Doomsday could be a kryptonian
https://ibb.co/sVSHVwq

DarkSaint85
He's not though. Bertron specifically said he was not of that planet. He uses solar rads for nourishment but that's it.

qwertyuiop1998
Well, Yeah He isn't a kryptonian but certainly he was come from a species that genetically similar to kryptonian
It doesn't matter though, Since the comics prove it time to time Doomsday is on Superman level's speed

Galan007
Originally posted by carver9
And none of this proves that he is anywhere close to Supermans best speed showings or anyone else that is mentioned in this thread. He just isnt. He is quick for his size but he is nowhere near Flash or Superman levels of speed. "Quick", lol.

So when the writer had Superman saying this:

https://i.ibb.co/V2czcHv/3ro2NOq.jpg


Do you honestly think the intent was for Supes to be utilizing anything less than his full speed(++), given the stakes? Try to put your bias aside for a moment and think about that.

cdtm
Originally posted by carver9
That's not the only showing though. I literally said there are other showings that match this. Similar showings. Yes, Doomsday is quick but I dont think he is Superman quick, let alone Flash quick. Doomsday even when he is allowed to do it, isnt evacuating a city before a nuke completely goes off. Lol.


Neither is Karate Kid.


Yet he can indisputably keep up with Superboy.

Badabing
Originally posted by -Pr-
JFC... Ban him Pr. Ban him now.

Do it!

Philosophía
Originally posted by Galan007
Guy: "So fast I didn't even see him move!":
https://i.imgur.com/nJf3vPF.jpg

Booster: "He's faster than Flash!":
https://i.imgur.com/uXXEbKw.jpg

Maxima: "How could he move so fast?":
https://i.imgur.com/Gy7ZSU3.jpg

Superman: "Have to move faster...match Doomsday's speed...Or I'm done!":
https://i.imgur.com/3ro2NOq.jpg


But clearly the intent was for Doomsday to be moving at ceiling fan level. thumb up Originally posted by carver9
And none of this proves that he is anywhere close to Supermans best speed showings or anyone else that is mentioned in this thread. He just isnt. He is quick for his size but he is nowhere near Flash or Superman levels of speed. What the actual f*ck?

Superman was literally on the verge of dying there, moments from breaking limits to his power that he never accessed in his entire life and specifically - specifically - points out that he has problems keeping up with Doomsday's speed -- yet this proves DD is nowhere near him and only 'fast for his size'?

Is this a thread made just to prove how far you can troll and never get banned?

DarkSaint85
I love how Doomsday is essentially Ben Grimm in relative speed.

People are ignoring the entire story - which is that Superman, one of the top - if not the top, but I'll let you guys debate that- physical herald bricks in comics, was physically beaten to death

No red sun rads
No magic
No weakness exploits

Just straight up beaten to death in a physical fistfight.

How stupid, how much CIS/CIP do people think Superman have?

Doomsday looks what, Kodiak/polar bear size? And they're quick for their size. Is that the speed level Doomsday is at?

carver9
Wait, so a thread was made primarily about Thor speed but when I make a thread about Doomsday speed, its ban worthy? Then the debates that went on in that thread saying Thor doesnt even have super human speeds but I again make a thread with Doomsday, its trolling, bashing, etc...

Do I really need to post the thread here showing what was said in that thread. Remain civil people and stop being so bias.

DarkSaint85
Hmmmm.

That Thor thread was backed up by numerous scans specifically comparing Thor's best speed feats from his respect threads.....with street tiers.

Plus numerous scans of Thor being outreacted and blitzed by street tiers.

Do people have scans of Doomsday being blitzed by street tiers? All I've seen so far are scans of Doomsday blitzing and fighting heralds.

AlbertoJohnAvil
tbf, not really the same. Doomsday has a documented history of being a notable speedster in the tier with Supes etc

carver9
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=666101&pagenumber=2

Also, Herald Thor is only continent level in power.

carver9
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
tbf, not really the same. Doomsday has a documented history of being a notable speedster in the tier with Supes etc

Then debate it. It's simple. If you feel this way, debate that he is this fast. Dont get angry because of which character is being debated.

cdtm
Continent level. laughing


Carv smoking the Vsbattles crack pipe. What does that make Galactus, who was fended off and beaten down?

carver9
Originally posted by cdtm
Continent level. laughing


Carv smoking the Vsbattles crack pipe. What does that make Galactus, who was fended off and beaten down?

Lol... I dont think hes continent level, crazy but it was debated that he is only continent level. Thanks for being on my side.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Wally is faster than Doomsday. Especially seeing as he was confirmed as the Fastest Being in The Entire Multiverse.

TheHulkster
Sure, Superman is intended to be using his full speed in that particular portrayal which falls under the widely used notion of PIS. In every "PIS" performance which includes every dire situation where he repeatedly trades blows with non speedsters, the writer's intention is that he is doing his CONSCIOUS best.

With that being said, we have seen Superman go into hyperspeed mode where he is clearly moving enormously faster than what is shown in DOS and we have never seen DD in such a mode. Thus, under the full capacity idea, DD can't keep up with Superman's speed. It will never be portrayed like that in the books, but I'm often told that battle board fights don't follow how fights are shown in the books.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by Galan007
Guy: "So fast I didn't even see him move!":
https://i.imgur.com/nJf3vPF.jpg

Booster: "He's faster than Flash!":
https://i.imgur.com/uXXEbKw.jpg

Maxima: "How could he move so fast?":
https://i.imgur.com/Gy7ZSU3.jpg

Superman: "Have to move faster...match Doomsday's speed...Or I'm done!":
https://i.imgur.com/3ro2NOq.jpg


But clearly the intent was for Doomsday to be moving at ceiling fan level. thumb up

Wally wasnt all that fast back then and he certainly isnt as fast as he is now, after becoming unmoored.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Doomsday is just Faster THEN EXPECTED for his size...He's not expected to react So Quick...Ppl are insane to even compare his Speeds to Flash or Supes Realistically

DarkSaint85
So if a character expects him to be fast, he'll become manageable?

-K-M-
Haha wow

Philosophía
Originally posted by carver9
I again make a thread with Doomsday, its trolling, bashing, etc... Yes, it is the classic trolling that you've been doing for years, when you continue to post without acknowledging the evidence that shows that you're blatantly wrong, in this case by orders of magnitude. Doomsday took Superman to the limits of his speed in a death-scenario/everything on the line situation -- by Superman's own admission, while earlier Doomsday was compared to Flash and was shocking everybody with his speed.

And to answer your thread -- considering even that version of Superman was significantly faster than Gladiator in combat/perception speed, and he'd dance circles around him, that makes Doomsday at least on that same level. thumb up

MrMind

MrMind
https://i.imgur.com/h5rTN3b.png

carver9
I'm entitled to my opinion just like you're entitled to yours. Just stop creeping me out posting all of my pics in your posts.

Philosophía
Originally posted by carver9
I'm entitled to my opinion just like you're entitled to yours. Just stop creeping me out posting all of my pics in your posts. I can have the opinion that Alfred beats Hulk -- but that doesn't mean that in the face of blatant evidence to the contrary, I can keep posting the same thing and hide behind "It's just my opinion" -- as you've been doing, to avoid bans, for years now.

The only thing you should have been entitled to is a rational brain, but life is cruel.

carver9
Philo... you made a post with a direct comparison of Wolverine and Thor where Thor is saying Wolverine is faster than him as an indication of Thors speed and this was in your opening post. I then post a comparison where Superman admits Shadow Dragon is faster than him and you say that I'm trolling even though you did the same crap. Like wtf. So it's ok for you to post Thor admitting Wolverine is faster but it's a sin for me to post Superman saying Shadow Dragon is faster?

carver9
Well, might as well start an official thread.

Thor gets all of his thousands of appearances and feats from 1962.

A rough street-level 'ballpark' would be anywhere from Alfred to Spiderman/Wolverine. So, Batman, Captain America, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, etc. etc. i.e. your typical elite street levelers are in this.

Direct comparisons apply.

For example, Thor admitting Wolverine is faster while fighting him would be a direct combat comparison:


Falcon saying Spiderman is faster than Thor would be an direct non-combat comparison:

Philosophía
Originally posted by carver9
Philo... you made a post with a direct comparison of Wolverine and Thor where Thor is saying Wolverine is faster than him as an indication of Thors speed and this was in your opening post. I then post a comparison where Superman admits Shadow Dragon is faster than him and you say that I'm trolling even though you did the same crap. Like wtf. So it's ok for you to post Thor admitting Wolverine is faster but it's a sin for me to post Superman saying Shadow Dragon is faster? You're comparing a low showing of Superman using kid gloves with a consistent portrayal of Thor . This is similar to saying "You used Hulk being tagged by Wolverine, why can't I use Wally West being tagged by Nightwing?"

This is how Superman treats street leveles when he actually uses his speed:
https://i.ibb.co/bKHwpsd/battlefieldblitzbats1.jpg

If you can't understand the difference, maybe comic books aren't for you.

None of this discredits -- in any way, what has been posted in this thread regarding Doomsday's speed -- which is undoubtedly portrayed at Superman's speed, which is superior to Gladiator.

If you keep drawing false equivalencies in attempts to derail the thread to a separate discussion and troll, you will be reported.

carver9
My point went clean over your skull and with that said, you are blocked.

DarkSaint85
Lmao.

AlbertoJohnAvil
laughing out loud laughing out loud you dudes are WEIRD.

Philosophía
Originally posted by carver9
My point went clean over your skull and with that said, you are blocked. As you cry, don't bother using a napkin, the tears will simply fall on your lips and you can drink them back.

MrMind
laughing out loud

Galan007
carver??

Originally posted by Galan007
"Quick", lol.

So when the writer had Superman saying this:

https://i.ibb.co/V2czcHv/3ro2NOq.jpg


Do you honestly think the intent was for Supes to be utilizing anything less than his full speed(++), given the stakes? Try to put your bias aside for a moment and think about that.

Philosophía
Superman is clearly surprised there that Doomsday was 0.000000001 as fast as him.

Galan007
For the record...

I'm not saying that Doomsday would beat Superman in a race from point A to point B... But in terms of perception, reaction, and general combat speed, I legitimately do not know how someone could think that Doomsday is just "quick for his size", or worse yet, liken his speed to that of a ceiling fan(lol).

His speed was clearly --clearly-- meant to be on par with an all-out/no holds barred Superman. How is that even in question?

none

MrMind

-Pr-
Originally posted by Badabing
Ban him Pr. Ban him now.

Do it!

It's getting to that point, tbh.

Originally posted by carver9
Wait, so a thread was made primarily about Thor speed but when I make a thread about Doomsday speed, its ban worthy? Then the debates that went on in that thread saying Thor doesnt even have super human speeds but I again make a thread with Doomsday, its trolling, bashing, etc...

Do I really need to post the thread here showing what was said in that thread. Remain civil people and stop being so bias.

Pot, kettle.

And Phil at least had the decency to be open about his dislike of Thor while still providing a decent argument.

So no, not the same.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Sure, Superman is intended to be using his full speed in that particular portrayal which falls under the widely used notion of PIS. In every "PIS" performance which includes every dire situation where he repeatedly trades blows with non speedsters, the writer's intention is that he is doing his CONSCIOUS best.

With that being said, we have seen Superman go into hyperspeed mode where he is clearly moving enormously faster than what is shown in DOS and we have never seen DD in such a mode. Thus, under the full capacity idea, DD can't keep up with Superman's speed. It will never be portrayed like that in the books, but I'm often told that battle board fights don't follow how fights are shown in the books.

You're mixing up reflexes and travel speed.

DarkSaint85
Nah he just appears to be fast because people are taken by surprise.

Everyone gets collective amnesia and forget this, and that's why Doomsday can beat the crap out of them - Batman, however, remembers that he's fast for his size, and thus, Doomsday becomes a street leveller.

It's reality warping on a multiversal scale. Like being invisible but only when no one is watching - DD is a speedster when people assume he's slow due to his size.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Galan007
For the record...

I'm not saying that Doomsday would beat Superman in a race from point A to point B... But in terms of perception, reaction, and general combat speed, I legitimately do not know how someone could think that Doomsday is just "quick for his size", or worse yet, liken his speed to that of a ceiling fan(lol).

His speed was clearly --clearly-- meant to be on par with an all-out/no holds barred Superman. How is that even in question?

none https://i.ibb.co/ZV40Q5W/RCO089-w.jpg https://i.ibb.co/8csYscv/RCO090.jpg

shifty

Originally posted by MrMind
consider superman has attosecond reaction, being 0.000000001 as fast as him would still be nanosecond reaction

from the moon rebuilding feat we get that superman travels 10^26 times the speed of light, meaning being 0.000000001 as fast doomsday still travels 10^17 times the speed of light

which means doomsday shits on gladiator if he's 0.000000001 as fast as superman Eh, let's be fair -- that was pre-DoS Superman. He was only fast enough to ... casually interact in a fraction of a nanosecond suspended to eternity no expression

Juntai
Fast enough that Superman had to keep pushing his speed harder to keep up with him.
Fast enough that Darkseid couldnt react to him after sucker shotting him with Omega Beams.
Fast enough to grab Wonder Woman and tie her up with her own lasso and use her body to slap down a speeding Flash.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by -Pr-
You're mixing up reflexes and travel speed.

Not at all. I'm referencing hyperspeed the way it's stated below:

https://imgur.com/a/Zhe5Qah
https://imgur.com/a/g6W3hEC
https://imgur.com/a/qTesAin
https://imgur.com/a/UobzBGg
https://imgur.com/a/eHBi8Ah

In my opinion, if the DOS battle happens inside of that time bubble, Supes and DD would appear frozen. And I'm not saying that Superman has never been portrayed going into similar hyperspeed mode, but DOS isn't such a portrayal. On the other hand, I have never seen DD in such a mode. Hyperspeed > superspeed.

JBL
Hmm, booster said that DD was faster than flash, yet ordnary humans saw his every move fighting booster. Smh

SquallX
Originally posted by JBL
Hmm, booster said that DD was faster than flash, yet ordnary humans saw his every move fighting booster. Smh

laughing that is some illogical thinking right there.

h1a8
Originally posted by JBL
Hmm, booster said that DD was faster than flash, yet ordnary humans saw his every move fighting booster. Smh

Ordinary humans didn't see DD every move fighting Booster. You are making stuff up.
So writers intent is absolutely meaningless to you?

JBL
Originally posted by h1a8
Ordinary humans didn't see DD every move fighting Booster. You are making stuff up.
So writers intent is absolutely meaningless to you? Post the scan of DD beating his ass and see people watching and talking about the fight. One even said DD looked like an alien robot.

AlbertoJohnAvil
What makes Doomsday exactly a "speedster"

AlbertoJohnAvil
When superman moves fast his strength declines. Hints why when superman punched him super fast like flash doomsday walk through them.
But when superman doesn't use super speed like that he can knock doomsday back
https://i.postimg.cc/nM9wcGy1/moves.jpg

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Galan007
Guy: "So fast I didn't even see him move!":
https://i.imgur.com/nJf3vPF.jpg

Booster: "He's faster than Flash!":
https://i.imgur.com/uXXEbKw.jpg

Maxima: "How could he move so fast?":
https://i.imgur.com/Gy7ZSU3.jpg

Superman: "Have to move faster...match Doomsday's speed...Or I'm done!":
https://i.imgur.com/3ro2NOq.jpg


But clearly the intent was for Doomsday to be moving at ceiling fan level. thumb up

Fan Service Doomsday.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fan Service Doomsday.

Lol. So my question is...

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Can we scale and use writer's intent? It can be proven that DD was meant (by writer's intentions) to be at least as fast as Superman. Superman stated that he moved so fast that he couldn't respond. The writer had a character state that DD was faster than flash.


2. DD traveled over a mile before DS could manage to turn around. And DS has superhuman level speed and reactions.

3. DD was so fast that he seemingly hit 5 members of the justice league simultaneously (Superman included).

4. DD is Born kryptonian and has the strength, durability, and speed power set beyond them.


When did DD traveled a "mile" before Darkseid could manage to turn around? Darkseid didn't get a chance to hit him point blank like he intended Next He got beat up.

Stoic
There was only one time to my knowledge that Superman danced around Doomsday, and that was a clone. Doomsday Rex.

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
Time to prove it. Is Doomsday as fast as an all out:

Superman
Flash
Gladiator
Captain Marvel
Supergirl

No statements used here. Let's use had core proof on his speed.

What type of feats are you looking for since you don't value writer's intentions of him being part Kryptonian and having superspeed rivaling Superman?

Feats against characters?
Feats where he is timed (speed is actually measured)?

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Lol. So my question is...




When did DD traveled a "mile" before Darkseid could manage to turn around? Darkseid didn't get a chance to hit him point blank like he intended Next He got beat up.

h1, stop avoiding the question. Show me where Doomsday traveled "mile" before Darkseid could manage to turn around

And explain to me how you got mile from. Came to the conclusion. You literally just made that up again

h1a8
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
h1, stop avoiding the question. Show me where Doomsday traveled "mile" before Darkseid could manage to turn around

And explain to me how you got mile from. Came to the conclusion. You literally just made up again
I said "about a mile". Could have been several blocks if anything. It's impossible to know unless the writer tells us.

But even if is was a city block away then it is still impressive.


But the question is for Carver? Butt out

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Can we scale and use writer's intent? It can be proven that DD was meant (by writer's intentions) to be at least as fast as Superman. Superman stated that he moved so fast that he couldn't respond. The writer had a character state that DD was faster than flash.


2. DD traveled over a mile before DS could manage to turn around. And DS has superhuman level speed and reactions.

3. DD was so fast that he seemingly hit 5 members of the justice league simultaneously (Superman included).

4. DD is Born kryptonian and has the strength, durability, and speed power set beyond them.

You made a claim that Doomsday traveled an "mile" before DD could react. Show me where, and explain to me how you came to THAT conclusion.

h1a8
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You made a claim that Doomsday traveled an "mile" before DD could react. Show me where, and explain to me how you came to THAT conclusion.

It Originally appeared over a mile from looking that the beam traveled a distance to get to DD (going around structures and what not) and pushing DD all the way (using a sense of on panel time and speed of the OB).

Edit: I just reread the issue. I was wrong. Darkseid teleported to DD and shot him again.

Would the feat be significantly less impressive if DD instead was "about" 1 block away?

AlbertoJohnAvil
"I was wrong"

https://i.postimg.cc/9wMVNmcC/source.gif

Of course you was, I'ma pray for you bro

SquallX

h1a8
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
"I was wrong"

https://i.postimg.cc/9wMVNmcC/source.gif

Of course you was, I'ma pray for you bro

Thank you. I appreciate it. I need it though.

Diesldude

SquallX

DarkSaint85
Doomsday Rex? It was a clone that had developed sentience on its own. No Brainiac.

Old Man Whirly!

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
A better definition is the energy of a mass in motion. The faster a given mass is travelling the moment before impact, the greater the energy it releases on impact. The biggest problem is, the nearer you get to C the greater the energy you need to move faster incrementally this is also a function of the mass, the more mass the greater the energy needed. For an object the size of doomsday to move at the speed of light is impossible in the realworld.

krisblaze
What is an elite?

DarkSaint85
Superman and Flash.

SquallX
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doomsday Rex? It was a clone that had developed sentience on its own. No Brainiac.

You sure Braniac was not a part of that story? Ben years since I read it, I could be wrong though.

DarkSaint85
He wasn't.

Imperiex killed Doomsday, Lex got his bones and grew a clone. McGuiness did the art.

Galan007

-Pr-
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
When superman moves fast his strength declines.

That is a hell of a claim to make.

AlbertoJohnAvil

-Pr-
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
No.. Because I already explained why in that comic doomsday got punch by superman and went flying and there was a time Superman staggered doomsday.
When he punched that fast he walk through it like water.

Or, you could take the example that trying to punch someone a lot, really quickly would just generally not do as much damage as punching them really hard once.

It doesn't mean you're less strong. Just that you're attacking differently.

It's a massive leap to say that Superman is weaker the faster he goes.

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by -Pr-
That is a hell of a claim to make. It is, I think a claim could be generally made that the insane physical (pun) strength of Superheroes in general, is usually superior to feats involving real-world physical equations like - Mass x Acceleration or E=MC2.

StiltmanFTW
Problem is, Doomsday took thousands of strikes from Supes pretty well, while single strikes or simple combos have had much more of an effect on him.

So yeah, to quote Grodd... swift, but still soft vin

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by -Pr-
Or, you could take the example that trying to punch someone a lot, really quickly would just generally not do as much damage as punching them really hard once.

It doesn't mean you're less strong. Just that you're attacking differently.

It's a massive leap to say that Superman is weaker the faster he goes.

Its obvious You trade SOME power for speed when You throw multiple punches in that way. A brute isn't getting the FULL force (due to Distance and Timing) as One Wallop:

https://i.postimg.cc/ppxF0VXN/trd.jpg

-Pr-
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
It is, I think a claim could be generally made that the insane physical (pun) strength of Superheroes in general, is usually superior to feats involving real-world physical equations like - Mass x Acceleration or E=MC2.

Oh, they are. Definitely.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Problem is, Doomsday took thousands of strikes from Supes pretty well, while single strikes or simple combos have had much more of an effect on him.

So yeah, to quote Grodd... swift, but still soft vin

Yup. And it's bad writing to boot.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Its obvious You trade SOME power for speed when You throw multiple punches in that way. A brute isn't getting the FULL force (due to Distance and Timing) as One Wallop:

https://i.postimg.cc/ppxF0VXN/trd.jpg

Right, so how does that support your statement when things like the WF punch exist?

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by -Pr-
Oh, they are. Definitely.



Yup. And it's bad writing to boot.



Right, so how does that support your statement when things like the WF punch exist?

That's ONE big Punch from a Huge Distance. That's THE point. A Thousand of those little punches wouldn't of had the same affect

-Pr-
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
That's ONE big Punch from a Huge Distance. That's THE point. A Thousand of those little punches wouldn't of had the same affect

It's one punch thrown when travelling at extreme velocity, which matches up with the whole "the faster you go, the more mass you have" thing.

I'm still not seeing how that makes Superman slower the faster he goes.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by -Pr-
It's one punch thrown when travelling at extreme velocity, which matches up with the whole "the faster you go, the more mass you have" thing.

I'm still not seeing how that makes Superman slower the faster he goes.

You're not applying Distance attained to achieve THAT power, It was a Build up. That's Wayyy different then throwing multiple punches from a Standstill power

-Pr-
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You're not applying Distance attained to achieve THAT power, It was a Build up. That's Wayyy different then throwing multiple punches from a Standstill power

Firstly, I realise I typo'd and meant "stronger" not "slower".

Right, so if he's not "going faster" then how is he losing strength?

Diesldude

Psychotron
Speed is a part of strength, actually. Acceleration requires more energy just like your car burns more fuel when you floor it. The stronger you are, the more explosive you can be. DD tanking thousands of punches from Superman is just bad writing, because the faster he punches, the more devastating the blow would be.

That's my take on it as a strength athlete and former kickboxer.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by -Pr-


Yup. And it's bad writing to boot.



Common writing in superhero books.

Barrage of punches will never be as powerful as a single haymaker, lol.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by -Pr-
Firstly, I realise I typo'd and meant "stronger" not "slower".

Right, so if he's not "going faster" then how is he losing strength?

just like a punch in a fight you can give up power for speed

Same comic, but he punched slower he was able to engage slow twitching muscles. You can not sustain fast twitching muscles for a extended time

https://i.postimg.cc/Yjx81V82/uyn.jpg

AlbertoJohnAvil

-Pr-
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Common writing in superhero books.

Barrage of punches will never be as powerful as a single haymaker, lol.

I mean, there is a real world argument to justify some of it... but when it starts getting in to thousands of punches in the space of seconds... that's just dumb.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
just like a punch in a fight you can give up power for speed

Same comic, but he punched slower he was able to engage slow twitching muscles. You can not sustain fast twitching muscles for a extended time

https://i.postimg.cc/Yjx81V82/uyn.jpg

I'm genuinely not trying to be rude when I say this, but I honestly don't know what argument you're making anymore. Mind elaborating some?

DarkSaint85
I do love how RL biology is being used for a Kryptonian.

When Superman and Doomsday shake the Earth with their deathblows, are they using fast or slow twitch muscles?

What does 'slow twitch' mean when their owner is able to rebuild the entire moon in the space of a conversation?

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by -Pr-
I mean, there is a real world argument to justify some of it... but when it starts getting in to thousands of punches in the space of seconds... that's just dumb.



I'm genuinely not trying to be rude when I say this, but I honestly don't know what argument you're making anymore. Mind elaborating some?

There are two different type of muscles you engage when doing activities. Slow and fast twitch muscles.
You can not sustain power in your fast twitching muscles but you can keep the speed.
You can sustain power in slower twitching muscles for longer periods.
The longer you punch the lower your power.
Its kinesiology

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I do love how RL biology is being used for a Kryptonian.

When Superman and Doomsday shake the Earth with their deathblows, are they using fast or slow twitch muscles?

What does 'slow twitch' mean when their owner is able to rebuild the entire moon in the space of a conversation?

I'm using kinesiology because when superman doesn't have solar rays to boost him he bleeds and function are identical to humans 🤔

SquallX

AlbertoJohnAvil

AlbertoJohnAvil
They are COMPLETELY the same in their structure

-Pr-
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
There are two different type of muscles you engage when doing activities. Slow and fast twitch muscles.
You can not sustain power in your fast twitching muscles but you can keep the speed.
You can sustain power in slower twitching muscles for longer periods.
The longer you punch the lower your power.
Its kinesiology

Okay. Let's say you're right... how does that apply to Kryptonians? He still has organs Humans don't have. You can't apply those kinds of standards to him.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
EXCEPT No kryptonians are only different in cells. EVERYTHING else they are similar

No they're not. Like I said, organs.

h1a8
Albert it is called bad writing and Dixon inconsistency.
In no way is it the intention of any writer of Superman that Superman gets weaker the faster he punches.

Now as far as physics go.
Punching power is based off two things :
1. Kinetic energy
2. The applied push force


A bullet has a lot of kinetic energy but zero applied push force.
An escalator has little kinetic energy but a lot of applied push force.

Diesldude

Diesldude
So Superman speeds up his sense. The other guy becomes a statue, Superman hits him with an uppercut at super speed. Is he using “fast Twitching Muscles†laughing out loud

Old Man Whirly!
@Squall

I'm not green and I absorb the sun through my melanin. Green is just the colour of Chlorophyll, nothing more or less, some plants are red using a different part of the spectrum. The green is down to the Mg chlorin ligand in the chelate complex.

Psychotron
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
There are two different type of muscles you engage when doing activities. Slow and fast twitch muscles.
You can not sustain power in your fast twitching muscles but you can keep the speed.
You can sustain power in slower twitching muscles for longer periods.
The longer you punch the lower your power.
Its kinesiology

This is total broscience and completely false.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by -Pr-
Okay. Let's say you're right... how does that apply to Kryptonians? He still has organs Humans don't have. You can't apply those kinds of standards to him.



No they're not. Like I said, organs.

https://i.postimg.cc/V5Mp3m1Y/baos.jpg

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