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Prime Logan

Morals off for both

Who wins

Wolverine in a spite match in my opinion. Not sure how Cage can win here. Wolverines claws should easily be able to slice or pierce Cages skin IMO.

Depends how easily Logan's claws can cut Cage. I do think they can, I just don't know how much damage each cut will make. I doubt he can dismember Cage with a single swipe, and Cage is strong enough to easily knock around Logan.

I do think Logan wins but it won't be too one sided. Logan probably suffers a dislocated limb or a few moments of nearly getting knocked out before he can dispatch Cage.

Logan has also taken far more damage than the bullet with ease. That's one of his lowest feats.

He's also cut through enough that Cage wont be able to just ignore his claws. Especially around the squishy bits Logan likes to target. Eyes, face, balls, etc...

Originally posted by KingD19
Logan has also taken far more damage than the bullet with ease. That's one of his lowest feats.

Can you name other head trauma feats that Wolverine tanked which surpass the force of a bullet?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Can you name other head trauma feats that Wolverine tanked which surpass the force of a bullet?

Juggernaut headbutting him at a full sprint. The same headbutt that blasts apart stone walls. Also after the single shot, he took sustained full automatic fire when he escapes WEAPON x without slowing down at all. And more than one hit him In the head.

And those were assault rifles, so a bigger caliber of bullet.

Originally posted by KingD19
Juggernaut headbutting him at a full sprint. The same headbutt that blasts apart stone walls. Also after the single shot, he took sustained full automatic fire when he escapes WEAPON x without slowing down at all. And more than one hit him In the head.

Juggernaut headbutt him on his body while Logan was jumping. It wasn't a direct hit to head like that gunshot was. As for the WeaponX firefight, the only time I recall him getting hit in the head was as he got out of his "birthing chamber" and Zero's shot glanced off his head. Still, it was a glancing shot instead of a direct hit.

But even if he did get hit in the head with some bullets, you said he's taken on far more damage than that with ease... so I'm looking for greater concussive hits to the head which he tanked.

From what I can tell, getting knocked out by a bullet isn't really a low point for him. He already got knocked out for a bit by just smashing through a windshield and Sabertooth knocked him out cold by hitting him with a small tree trunk.

Not really commenting on the result, but would just like the point out that Cage's face, eyes and balls aren't that squishy. When they treated him for the shotgun in JJ, they had to roll the actual eye back to insert the needle through a duct behind it. And Cockroach put his own leg in a cast kicking Cage in the balls. And Bushmaster has also literally tried stabbing Luke in the face before, even dragging a blade down his cheek. Obviously, not the same as Logan, but it also shows that Cage is far more resistant to those things than a regular person.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Not really commenting on the result, but would just like the point out that Cage's face, eyes and balls aren't that squishy. When they treated him for the shotgun in JJ, they had to roll the actual eye back to insert the needle through a duct behind it. And Cockroach put his own leg in a cast kicking Cage in the balls. And Bushmaster has also literally tried stabbing Luke in the face before, even dragging a blade down his cheek. Obviously, not the same as Logan, but it also shows that Cage is far more resistant to those things than a regular person.

He absolutely is. But they are squishy in comparison to the rest of him, even though they are super tough, they're still eyes compared to skin/muscle/bone for example. Considering Logan's own superhuman strength + the force he can exert because of his bones + how sharp his claws are, Cage will have to be careful is what I'm saying.

As for more noticeable impacts than the bullet. In X3 he gets cracked in the skull by speeding debris that Colossus and Rogue had to armor up to tank. It visibly annoyed him, but he was fine. The impact was hard enough to knock Colossus sideways and knock Wolverine's head to the side, splitting his forehead down to the adamantium.

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He was point blank at an explosion he set off in The Wolverine, with enough force to send guys flying backward like ragdolls, and it didn't even move him from his spot, much less knock him out.

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In Apocalypse, he just ignores being shot full on by multiple people with automatic guns. I believe they're MP5's, and he gets hit in the face at least a few times and ignores the shots.

And in Origins, it was not a glancing shot. The guy who shot him was Zero, who's whole gimmick was accuracy and perfect aim and super stats. He hit Logan dead center in the forehead, fully exposing the Adamantium. His shot actually seemed to do more damage than the Cop's as the cop's shot got stuck in his skin and barely showed any skull. Also it appears he shot him with both guns in the same spot.

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Also in Origins before he got his Adamantium, Sabretooth dropped a few tons of logs on his face, then threw him in front of a logging truck, and he was still fully conscious after getting hit and rolling off the back.

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Blob, the guy who can punch tank shells headbutted Wolverine and knocked himself out. He also took a bunch of solid haymakers from Blob without getting knocked out.

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Originally posted by KingD19
He absolutely is. But they are squishy in comparison to the rest of him, even though they are super tough, they're still eyes compared to skin/muscle/bone for example. Considering Logan's own superhuman strength + the force he can exert because of his bones + how sharp his claws are, Cage will have to be careful is what I'm saying.

As for more noticeable impacts than the bullet. In X3 he gets cracked in the skull by speeding debris that Colossus and Rogue had to armor up to tank. It visibly annoyed him, but he was fine. The impact was hard enough to knock Colossus sideways and knock Wolverine's head to the side, splitting his forehead down to the adamantium.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BleakThreadbareBluetonguelizard-mobile.mp4


He was point blank at an explosion he set off in The Wolverine, with enough force to send guys flying backward like ragdolls, and it didn't even move him from his spot, much less knock him out.

https://gfycat.com/shallowslimaidi

In Apocalypse, he just ignores being shot full on by multiple people with automatic guns. I believe they're MP5's, and he gets hit in the face at least a few times and ignores the shots.

And in Origins, it was not a glancing shot. The guy who shot him was Zero, who's whole gimmick was accuracy and perfect aim and super stats. He hit Logan dead center in the forehead, fully exposing the Adamantium. His shot actually seemed to do more damage than the Cop's as the cop's shot got stuck in his skin and barely showed any skull. Also it appears he shot him with both guns in the same spot.

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Also in Origins before he got his Adamantium, Sabretooth dropped a few tons of logs on his face, then threw him in front of a logging truck, and he was still fully conscious after getting hit and rolling off the back.

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Blob, the guy who can punch tank shells headbutted Wolverine and knocked himself out. He also took a bunch of solid haymakers from Blob without getting knocked out.

Yeah, I think you meant to direct that at Frothbyte, because I only commented on Cage's durability. I never said anything about Logan's. And for all Logan's cutting feats, he has yet to actually pierce something or someone as durable as Cage. Because, by actual feats, characters like X2 Juggs do NOT have better or even comparable piercing durability to current Luke, who can and has withstood everything from machine gun fire, to carpenter's saws, to medical drills, numerous explosions, alien metal bullets and even a direct hit from an anti-aircraft missile without even receiving a mild scratch or scuff mark. Now, not saying he can't (I think Logan could inflict damage, but would have more difficulty making deeper cuts/stabs), but what you have presented so far doesn't conclusively prove he can actually do so.

I'm on my phone so making even more links was something I didnt feel like doing. I just continued. And mainly I'm showing his durability. Logan has cut through stuff like military vehicles, reinforced walls, a sentinels entire head, a moving helicopter blade. I'm not saying it's easy for him. I'm saying that with what we've seen from him and what his claws are capable of its possible to do damage.

Originally posted by KingD19
He absolutely is. But they are squishy in comparison to the rest of him, even though they are super tough, they're still eyes compared to skin/muscle/bone for example. Considering Logan's own superhuman strength + the force he can exert because of his bones + how sharp his claws are, Cage will have to be careful is what I'm saying.

As for more noticeable impacts than the bullet. In X3 he gets cracked in the skull by speeding debris that Colossus and Rogue had to armor up to tank. It visibly annoyed him, but he was fine. The impact was hard enough to knock Colossus sideways and knock Wolverine's head to the side, splitting his forehead down to the adamantium.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BleakThreadbareBluetonguelizard-mobile.mp4


He was point blank at an explosion he set off in The Wolverine, with enough force to send guys flying backward like ragdolls, and it didn't even move him from his spot, much less knock him out.

https://gfycat.com/shallowslimaidi

In Apocalypse, he just ignores being shot full on by multiple people with automatic guns. I believe they're MP5's, and he gets hit in the face at least a few times and ignores the shots.

And in Origins, it was not a glancing shot. The guy who shot him was Zero, who's whole gimmick was accuracy and perfect aim and super stats. He hit Logan dead center in the forehead, fully exposing the Adamantium. His shot actually seemed to do more damage than the Cop's as the cop's shot got stuck in his skin and barely showed any skull. Also it appears he shot him with both guns in the same spot.

https://gfycat.com/smugagreeablecalf


Also in Origins before he got his Adamantium, Sabretooth dropped a few tons of logs on his face, then threw him in front of a logging truck, and he was still fully conscious after getting hit and rolling off the back.

https://gfycat.com/bronzejubilantcub

Blob, the guy who can punch tank shells headbutted Wolverine and knocked himself out. He also took a bunch of solid haymakers from Blob without getting knocked out.

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Tanking explosives and flying debris is impressive and all but it doesn't quite match the concentrated force of a bullet to the head.

Zero was standing off to the side of Wolverine (watch the full clip). The shot that Wolverine took was to the center of his forehead. It is literally impossible to make that a direct shot due to where Zero was standing.

And sure, Blob is strong and all but the punches he were throwing obviously weren't at full strength. If they were then Logan should have been sent flying around with each punch.

The one time I saw Logan get shot in the head in Apocalypse it was on his headgear.

In his fight against Sabertooth in Origins, you forgot that he was so beat up after that that he couldn't even get up even though he was conscious. He wasn't able to simply tank those hits.

Anyway, I'm not saying Wolverine is not tough, I'm just saying that it's not impossible to knock him out with sufficient force, as has been demonstrated multiple times. And if Sabertooth is strong enough to KO him then it's definitely doable for Cage too.

^^^Yeah, still going w. my original most likely scenario.

Not looking to beat my opinion into the ground though.
Done here.

RIP Bane

Good matchup in terms of using two characters that have a lot of feats between the two of them.

I can see the fight going either way:
- Luke wins if he can bob-and-weave and make this more of a straight boxing/grappling match.
- Logan wins if he can last through some hits and stab/slash Cage a lot.

Luke has withstood a lot of damage, but Logan's has faced about every kind of attack a comic book movie superhero can in addition to having adamantium claws that should cut Luke.

My vote is with Logan, but Luke could beat him senseless with enough hits.

Didn't some director say the reason the cop's bullet knocked him out was because it hit the same spot strikers adamantium bullet hit in origins?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Juggernaut headbutt him on his body while Logan was jumping.

He took more shots from Cain after that, so...

Wolverine cuts him to pieces easily.

Luke won't get a clean shot to the head and won't be able to tank the claws at all. He's going to try to tank Wolverine's claws which are going to cripple him, then he's going to die.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Can you name other head trauma feats that Wolverine tanked which surpass the force of a bullet?

I have a similar feat where Logan wasn't even phased. Agent Zero shot him in the head right after the adamantium bonding procedure and Logan just growled and attacked.

He was also one-shotted by Sabretooth in X1, but yeah, Wolverine should beat Cage. He'll just try to tank Logan's claws and die.

Cage still wins the majority here, even w. a thread Bump.

Not really.

Originally posted by Robtard
I have a similar feat where Logan wasn't even phased. Agent Zero shot him in the head right after the adamantium bonding procedure and Logan just growled and attacked.

Yeah but that was a grazing hit. Agent Zero was at an angle to Wolverine and the shot was at the center of his forehead, which means that bullet hit at an angle.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He took more shots from Cain after that, so...

But not directly to the head which would be a good comparison to the bullet headshot.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah but that was a grazing hit. Agent Zero was at an angle to Wolverine and the shot was at the center of his forehead, which means that bullet hit at an angle.

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Resorting to foul language when you are unable to refute an argument. Classic troll tactics. Here's the clip by the way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDchmwdIsI8

at 0:40 you can clearly see Zero standing off to the side of Wolverine. At 0:44 you see Wolverine get shot directly in the center of his forehead yet his head snaps sideways, which supports the fact that Zero shot him at an angle.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Resorting to foul language when you are unable to refute an argument.
Yeah, you obviously won this exchange good job.

Well, this was worth the Bump!

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, you have it the other way around. Luke Cage has never fought someone with the strength, speed, and durability of Logan while also possessing the means to easily cut him to ribbons.

Cage is slower and, frankly, weaker than Logan is. The truck his perfect clone lifted off of himself weighed over 15 tons, and I know there doesn't exist a Cage feat on par.

I thought he was supposed to be better than Logan? I agree though, Luke is not going to be impressed by those claws until they are inside him. A little to late then. I highly doubt Logan is close to Cage in strength though.

On the other hand, people are underselling how easy it is to simply clock a mfer in the face and knock em out. The simplest solution is usually the best. And in a fight, the simplest, fastest method of putting a man down is rocking that brain.

I think this is a pretty even fight. So I'm gonna break it down by what each person's goals are in this fight.

Logan HAS to cut deep enough to either hit vital organs or get enough slashes in to bleed Cage out. This won't be instantaneous by any means.

Cage HAS to get a good solid knock on that noggin and that's it. The results will be instantaneous.

Logan has more options to win than Cage, but Cage has a much quicker, more efficient way of ending this. I'm going Cage 6/10.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Resorting to foul language when you are unable to refute an argument. Classic troll tactics. Here's the clip by the way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDchmwdIsI8

at 0:40 you can clearly see Zero standing off to the side of Wolverine. At 0:44 you see Wolverine get shot directly in the center of his forehead yet his head snaps sideways, which supports the fact that Zero shot him at an angle.

You've gone full retard, Froth.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You've gone full retard, Froth.

So point out what exactly I said that you disagree with then back-up your statements with counter-proof. Leave the foul-language out, that's for trolls and losers.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, you have it the other way around. Luke Cage has never fought someone with the strength, speed, and durability of Logan while also possessing the means to easily cut him to ribbons.

Cage is slower and, frankly, weaker than Logan is. The truck his perfect clone lifted off of himself weighed over 15 tons, and I know there doesn't exist a Cage feat on par.

I don't recall any feat from Logan that makes him stronger than Cage. X-24 is not Logan, is in fact supposed to be an enhanced version of him, so his feats don't apply to Logan.

Neither would I say Logan has a speed advantage. He's not exactly a fast fighter.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Wolverine cuts him to pieces easily.

Luke won't get a clean shot to the head and won't be able to tank the claws at all. He's going to try to tank Wolverine's claws which are going to cripple him, then he's going to die. This!

People are completely lowballing on both sides. Wolverine's claws may or may not cut Luke Cage, I do think they will, but they won't have an easy time at it. If katanas were able to block Wolverine's claws for a bit before getting sliced through then Wolverine isn't going to be chopping off Cage's limbs with single swipes. Cage is much tougher than that.

Similarly, Wolverine has taken his fair share of high-impact hits without getting KO'd. I doubt Cage can knock him out with a single hit, but I do think Cage does have the strength to KO him with enough hits or if he's able to use a weapon (like Sabertooth used a tree trunk).

Either way, it's not going to be an easy fight.

X-24 was KOd by a shotgun to the head as well.

So Fox was always pretty consistent with the idea that Wolverine could be KOd with enough force.

Not saying Cage wins, but just pointing that out about Logan.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
X-24 was KOd by a shotgun to the head as well.

So Fox was always pretty consistent with the idea that Wolverine could be KOd with enough force.

Not saying Cage wins, but just pointing that out about Logan.

Good point. I had forgotten about that. I believe he was KO'd for an even longer time than Logan when he was shot in the head.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I thought he was supposed to be better than Logan? I agree though, Luke is not going to be impressed by those claws until they are inside him. A little to late then. I highly doubt Logan is close to Cage in strength though.

On the other hand, people are underselling how easy it is to simply clock a mfer in the face and knock em out. The simplest solution is usually the best. And in a fight, the simplest, fastest method of putting a man down is rocking that brain.

I think this is a pretty even fight. So I'm gonna break it down by what each person's goals are in this fight.

Logan HAS to cut deep enough to either hit vital organs or get enough slashes in to bleed Cage out. This won't be instantaneous by any means.

Cage HAS to get a good solid knock on that noggin and that's it. The results will be instantaneous.

Logan has more options to win than Cage, but Cage has a much quicker, more efficient way of ending this. I'm going Cage 6/10.

This makes no sense. You do realize we use weapons for a reason, right? What you're saying is like saying an unarmed guy has better odds in a fight than a guy armed with a knife.

It can be hard to gauge some of Cage's strength feats, because they really don't follow the laws of physics at all. It doesn't matter how strong he is, he simply isn't heavy enough to realistically do any of the following:

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I mean Danny can punch the engine block right out of an armored truck and leave craters in the ground. So, Cage's ass should have been sent flying regardless.

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So, it's a complete and utter crapshoot trying to quantify some of his feats.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Good point. I had forgotten about that. I believe he was KO'd for an even longer time than Logan when he was shot in the head.


Yeah seemed like a good few hours. He was given some drug to heal his acceleration as well IIRC.

But to be fair, it was a rifle/shotgun.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It can be hard to gauge some of Cage's strength feats, because they really don't follow the laws of physics at all. It doesn't matter how strong he is, he simply isn't heavy enough to realistically do any of the following:

That applies to every character with super strength ever. Hulk would never be able to stop the Leviathan no matter how strong he is because he weighs hundreds or thousands of times less than it. It's like if a 300lbs fat guy runs at a world champion powerlifter in the 130lbs weight class. The powerlifter would get flattened even if he squats, benches and deadlifts twice what the fat guy can do. Mass moves mass in the real world.

It's best not to bring physics into these arguments.

Originally posted by Psychotron
That applies to every character with super strength ever. Hulk would never be able to stop the Leviathan no matter how strong he is because he weighs hundreds or thousands of times less than it. It's like if a 300lbs fat guy runs at a world champion powerlifter in the 130lbs weight class. The powerlifter would get flattened even if he squats, benches and deadlifts twice what the fat guy can do. Mass moves mass in the real world.

It's best not to bring physics into these arguments.

Yeah, I know. And I don't mean it in the sense that it should be thrown out or anything because it's unrealistic, but just in the sense that it makes actually attaching any useful numbers to these feats rather difficult. Yet, at the same time, he did perform them. So, phuck it. Who knows? Maybe someone a lot smarter and a lot less lazy than I am will take a better look at it one day.