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Dream (DC) vs Beyonder

Dream of the Endless ftw

Beyonder erases him from the multiverse.

no, dream (morpheus and daniel) has both made/remade the entire creation

something beyonder has never done

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11139/111393708/7034642-9663239148-Bq9qX.jpg
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11139/111393708/7034641-6285834578-psCha.jpg

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11115/111152821/7016246-1.jpg
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11115/111152821/6996076-9.jpg



part of his stories has transcended the book of destiny that chain the entire dc creation
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11115/111152821/6996065-8.jpg

DOE wins via superior scaling and cosmology

Originally posted by MrMind
no, dream (morpheus and daniel) has both made/remade the entire creation

something beyonder has never done


https://i.postimg.cc/cgJLkjyD/spider-man-with-inhuman-beyonder-power-by-beyondergod-d8a1vig-fu.jpg
That's Spiderman with the Beyonder's power. Beyonder wins.

Beyonder himself has never remade marvel creation
like Dream did DC

DC has higher planes of existence that dwarf the inifnite multiverses and is bigger in size than marvel. Dreamstone which only contains a portion of his power is capable of destroying the entire dreamworld (which dwarfs dc's infinite 3rd dimensional multiverse in size)

Dream still wins


The Endless are wave functions that cannot be destroyed by traditional physical attacks, they are patterns, ideas and repeating motifs

Originally posted by MrMind
The Endless are wave functions that cannot be destroyed by traditional physical attacks, they are patterns, ideas and repeating motifs
Mr. Mind, Beyonder has erased a conceptual entity on a multiversal level and then recreated it.

Originally posted by zopzop
Mr. Mind, Beyonder has erased a conceptual entity on a multiversal level and then recreated it.

not on the multiversal scale that is the endless

dream cannot die, if one is killed another took it's place

Beyonder stomps.

Baby Beyonder literally has the imagination of an infant. This is what people often leave out. This is why the infant Beyonders seemingly dwarve the adult Beyonders in power.

I was hoping someone who knows what they are talking about would enter the thread, then I saw it's stoic.....

Hey kiddo, I've actually been around long enough to have bought the original Secret Wars. You continue to make a complete ass of yourself with these wild assumptions. You don't know me, quit lying to yourself. You obviously fail ar life, I mean misery is all that comes out of you kid. Grow up ok.

Original secret war was released 35 years ago

So you are probably in your 50s,

Do you and Alberto go to early hour dinner special together?

Don't actually know him. Yeah I'm exactly 50yrs old. It actually makes mention, that the Beyonders of the latest Secret Wars were adults, in comparison to the original Beyonder who was an infant. They made mention of this because a childs imagination is far more vivid than an adults. When you apply this to reality warping you would tend to see grander feats from the child but not necessarily being more powerful. That really doesn't matter here, as this childs very being, dwaved the entire 616 universe. The original Secret Wars was about an all powerful baby that wanted to play with his brand new action figures.

let me know when Beyonder actually created or destroyed an entire multiverse/omniverse, then we'll talk

Mr. Mind has the demeanor of a petulant child.

Dream wins.

dc cosmics are seriously underrated here

in comicvine endless>beyonder, molecule man etc

The only beings/entities more powerful than Dream, in DC, are Death, Destiny, Lucifer Morningstar, Michael the archangel, and Yahweh/God/The Presence.

Pretty sure Dream stomps.

beyonder stomps

Originally posted by Impediment
The only beings/entities more powerful than Dream, in DC, are Death, Destiny, Lucifer Morningstar, Michael the archangel, and Yahweh/God/The Presence.

Pretty sure Dream stomps.

The goddamn Batman should go first good sir!

Originally posted by MrMind
dc cosmics are seriously underrated here

in comicvine endless>beyonder, molecule man etc

This convinced me that A Beyonder stomps.

Beyonder is quintillionS times more powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. He stomps.

buncha traitors

let me know when beyonder can perform multiversal creation, twice.

Spidey, Wolverine and IIRC Doom recreated the multiverse with the Beyonder powers.

Originally posted by MrMind
no, dream (morpheus and daniel) has both made/remade the entire creation

something beyonder has never done

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11139/111393708/7034642-9663239148-Bq9qX.jpg
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11139/111393708/7034641-6285834578-psCha.jpg

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11115/111152821/7016246-1.jpg
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11115/111152821/6996076-9.jpg



part of his stories has transcended the book of destiny that chain the entire dc creation
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11115/111152821/6996065-8.jpg

DOE wins via superior scaling and cosmology On top of this, the Dreamstone/Materioptikon has been used to manifest an infinite number of alternate realities:
https://i.imgur.com/Xdrgz92.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZJpvNM1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/AVe7rdU.jpg


Doctor Destiny also stated that the Dreamstone had the power to effect all of continuity:
https://i.imgur.com/kjmrv8G.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IT7FoPn.jpg


This is important because the Dreamstone is just a piece of Morpheus's essence:
https://i.imgur.com/ILs8tJr.jpg

Speaks to the level that Dream can operate on.

Originally posted by zopzop
Beyonder erases him from the multiverse.

Originally posted by zopzop
https://i.postimg.cc/cgJLkjyD/spider-man-with-inhuman-beyonder-power-by-beyondergod-d8a1vig-fu.jpg
That's Spiderman with the Beyonder's power. Beyonder wins.

If he was god how could he possibly lose his power so weird

Because its Doom.

I get that but its lame

Originally posted by zopzop
https://i.postimg.cc/cgJLkjyD/spider-man-with-inhuman-beyonder-power-by-beyondergod-d8a1vig-fu.jpg
That's Spiderman with the Beyonder's power. Beyonder wins.
That's non canon.

forum rules says this should be beyonder current not the SW one right? pretty sure dream wins this easily.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's non canon.
I think it was mentioned in the newer handbook entries too.
Originally posted by 8swords
forum rules says this should be beyonder current not the SW one right? pretty sure dream wins this easily.
That's the thing, the majority of the Beyonder's feats and fights from SW and SWII are still canon to him after the retcon including his erasing and restoring Death across the multiverse.

On panel as well, like when Doom stealed the Beyonder's powers:

https://imgur.com/a6wLpBP

Spider-Man Secret Wars was destined to be canon.

Originally posted by zopzop
I think it was mentioned in the newer handbook entries too.

That's the thing, the majority of the Beyonder's feats and fights from SW and SWII are still canon to him after the retcon including his erasing and restoring Death across the multiverse.
Originally posted by abhilegend


This is an all ages comic and Paul Tobin himself informed that All Ages comics are not bound by code of continuity.

http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29451176_Masterlol.jpg

https://blog.tfaw.com/2010/12/06/paul-tobin-tells-all-about-spider-girl-marvel-adventures/

Has anyone even read Sandman and understands the powers of the Endless?