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Who is a superior combatant? Use evidence to light the way.

Kylo Ren scales massively above.

Kylo Ren>>>>>>>KoR>Chewbacca~Vader.

Has kylo defeated anyone trained in the force? No

Originally posted by KyloRenFan69
Kylo Ren scales massively above.

Kylo Ren>>>>>>>KoR>Chewbacca~Vader.

Kylo Ren beat who again?

Kylo is repeatedly told that he is no Vader by his superiors in the movies, and Kylo himself idolizes Vader. Vader holds victories over Dooku and Ben Kenobi, Kylo managed to lose to Rey three times. In the canon comics Vader has much more impressive feats. Either way you slice it Vader > Kyo.

Vader slaughters him

Vader takes this and rather easily.. He can force choke his grandson w/o even being there face to face

Originally posted by SquallX
Kylo Ren beat who again? Luke Skywalker, Rey multiple times, Dameron Poe, Praetorian guards, Knights of Ren. Any other silly questions?

Now who did Vader defeat?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Kylo is repeatedly told that he is no Vader by his superiors in the movies, and Kylo himself idolizes Vader. Vader holds victories over Dooku and Ben Kenobi, Kylo managed to lose to Rey three times. In the canon comics Vader has much more impressive feats. Either way you slice it Vader > Kyo. Horrendous debating. Ren evolves past Vader in the second film, becomes his own master by slaying Snoke. Snoke said he was the heir apparent to Vader right before he killed him.

Ben Kenobi lowered his defenses to merge with the force. Vader never had the better of him. Quit lying. Dooku was bested by Anakin not Vader. Watch the films if you need a refresher course because your facts are simply off. Kenobi defeated Vader in rots. That was hilarious watching a fully powered Vader spit the bed against a less powerful and less skilled opponent.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Vader takes this and rather easily.. He can force choke his grandson w/o even being there face to face Kylo can force choke him as well. These two will be in the same room plus they both have force abilities. Kylo has more impressive feats than Vader. Poor guy burned his potential away.

Originally posted by carthage
Vader slaughters him Vader never slaughtered anyone. He did not even slaughter Tano ffs. He never showed an edge over Ben Kenobi and was dominated by his son Luke in his prime. Vader never lived up to his potential. Sad but true for you but happy and hilarious for me.

Vader has the superior feats when facing superior opponents.

Kylo worships Vader for a reason and it's not just cos of Vader snappy dress-style.

Originally posted by Robtard
Vader has the superior feats when facing superior opponents.

Kylo worships Vader for a reason and it's not just cos of Vader snappy dress-style. Superior feats? Such as? No, he does not and showed in the end he did what he wanted. Kylo is the Ot killer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superior feats? Such as? No, he does not and showed in the end he did what he wanted. Kylo is the Ot killer.

Bro, look at Vader's foes and look at Kylo's foes.

Originally posted by Robtard
Bro, look at Vader's foes and look at Kylo's foes. Vader never showed an edge over Kenobi and was crushed by Luke Skywalker who Ben Solo took down. Creepy uncles should not be watching their nephews while they slumber.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader never showed an edge over Kenobi and was crushed by Luke Skywalker who Ben Solo took down. Creepy uncles should not be watching their nephews while they slumber.

This isn't true, for a good chunk of their match Vader was the aggressor, pushing Kenobi back, forcing him to defend.

Vader lost and got diced because he jumped like an arrogant idiot instead of repositioning himself.

Originally posted by Robtard
This isn't true, for a good chunk of their match Vader was the aggressor, pushing Kenobi back, forcing him to defend.

Vader lost and got diced because he jumped like an arrogant idiot instead of repositioning himself. He pushed him back but he did so in rots abdcwe know how it ended up. Vader never had a really edge and his style is more aggressive. Kenobi wanted to die to merge with the force. He lowered his defenses. Not a clean win.


Agreed but to not defeat a foe you are more powerful than and more skilled as well as familiar as he was looks bad. Vader never rescued his potential due to the Mustafar cleaving. Kylo never lost most of his body and his power levels were through the roof according to Snoke and Luke.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Horrendous debating. Ren evolves past Vader in the second film, becomes his own master by slaying Snoke. Snoke said he was the heir apparent to Vader right before he killed him.

Ben Kenobi lowered his defenses to merge with the force. Vader never had the better of him. Quit lying. Dooku was bested by Anakin not Vader. Watch the films if you need a refresher course because your facts are simply off. Kenobi defeated Vader in rots. That was hilarious watching a fully powered Vader spit the bed against a less powerful and less skilled opponent.

Yeah, Kylo is Vader's heir being his grandson and all, but he's got nothing on Vader in tems of feats and scaling. Snoke also said he was no Vader, just a child in a mask.

He lowered them because he knew he couldn't defeat Vader. It's not complicated. I guess you haven't seen Empire Strikes Back because Anakin is Darth Vader, so Vader gets Anakin's feats. Yeah, Obi-Wan beat him by out-smarting him. Vader was pushing him back the entire fight because he was stronger. Right before the end Obi-Wan looking tired and taking deep breaths, while Vader was still full of energy. It was only a matter of time before Vader beat him.

Anakin killed Dooku. That's a better feat than what Kylo did.

And it was so rude of Anakin cuz Dooku had just lovingly tk'ed some debris on Obi Wan ever so slightly(wouldn't want to seriously hurt him after all).

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah, Kylo is Vader's heir being his grandson and all, but he's got nothing on Vader in tems of feats and scaling. Snoke also said he was no Vader, just a child in a mask.

He lowered them because he knew he couldn't defeat Vader. It's not complicated. I guess you haven't seen Empire Strikes Back because Anakin is Darth Vader, so Vader gets Anakin's feats. Yeah, Obi-Wan beat him by out-smarting him. Vader was pushing him back the entire fight because he was stronger. Right before the end Obi-Wan looking tired and taking deep breaths, while Vader was still full of energy. It was only a matter of time before Vader beat him. After he said that he said he was the heir apparent to lord Vader. You are ignoring the fact he complimented him right before Kylo killed him.

False but you need evidence. The reason he wanted death is was because he was more powerful and better able to aid Luke but you were never bright so of course you make up more nonsense.

Vader is bound to his suit and loses mobility. He is burnt therefore pre suit it does not apply to his capabilities post suit. Pretty simple. Vader lost to an opponent he was stronger and more skilled than. Pretty pitiful tbh. He never lived up to his billing. Vader is vastly overrated and dominated the weakest Star Wars era to date. Once Luke increased in power, training, and ability he crushed Vader. Vader is nowhere near the top of the pecking order.

Originally posted by Surtur
Anakin killed Dooku. That's a better feat than what Kylo did.

And it was so rude of Anakin cuz Dooku had just lovingly tk'ed some debris on Obi Wan ever so slightly(wouldn't want to seriously hurt him after all). Dooku was less powerful, older, and his death was a desire of his master Palpatine.


Anakin is a different mindset than Vader. Plus he was not suit bound so moot point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
After he said that he said he was the heir apparent to lord Vader. You are ignoring the fact he complimented him right before Kylo killed him.

False but you need evidence. The reason he wanted death is was because he was more powerful and better able to aid Luke but you were never bright so of course you make up more nonsense.

Vader is bound to his suit and loses mobility. He is burnt therefore pre suit it does not apply to his capabilities post suit. Pretty simple. Vader lost to an opponent he was stronger and more skilled than. Pretty pitiful tbh. He never lived up to his billing. Vader is vastly overrated and dominated the weakest Star Wars era to date. Once Luke increased in power, training, and ability he crushed Vader. Vader is nowhere near the top of the pecking order.

Being Vader's heir doesn't make him more powerful than Vader, retard. He's literally his blood descendant.

If Ben could beat him he would have. And how did he help Luke exactly? By making him train alone for 3 years until he sent him to Yoda. Stop embarrassing yourself.

This is old Legends canon, fool. In Disney canon Vader is not hampered by his suit at all. In fact, he's more powerful. There are sources saying Vader is a greater duelist than Darth Sidious. Luke beat him because Luke is a monster. Kylo would get destroyed by ROTJ Vader. Hell, in one of the comics Snoke outright says that Kylo is weaker than Luke.

I have no idea who you are, nor do I care.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Being Vader's heir doesn't make him more powerful than Vader, retard. He's literally his blood descendant.

If Ben could beat him he would have. And how did he help Luke exactly? By making him train alone for 3 years until he sent him to Yoda. Stop embarrassing yourself.

This is old Legends canon, fool. In Disney canon Vader is not hampered by his suit at all. In fact, he's more powerful. There are sources saying Vader is a greater duelist than Darth Sidious. Luke beat him because Luke is a monster. Kylo would get destroyed by ROTJ Vader. Hell, in one of the comics Snoke outright says that Kylo is weaker than Luke. Lukes statements show how absurdly powerful Ren was. Snoke confirmed just how powerful Ren was just as Rey became. They soared in power. You ignored Snokes words after he lied to try to manipulate Ren. If you cannot follow along with the dialogue why entertain a debate. You are purposely ignoring Snokes words and reason behind him being cruel at the beginning of the film.

Why would Ben defeat him? What would that do? Palpatine was still in play plus hevwould merge with the force and be less powerful. I do not have to prove Ben was better I never said he was. My point was Vader showed no advantage against an older, weakened Kenobi. Kenobi allowed him to kill him. Hollow victory.



Kylo completed his training by killing Snoke not Rey. Final test. Ben Solo already defeated Luke. Facts clearly matter. Luke chose to hide it was not Ren.

Comics are meant to sell merchandise no director gives a shit about a line in an issue. Even if it was true Ren grew in power Luke ignored the force so he grew weaker. Kenobi defeated Vader while being less powerful and less skilled. Your point while soundly dismissed does not determine the outcome either way.


We go by what we see. Vader might be a better duelist but he is not as powerful as Sidious and he is extremely weak to fl due to the suit. Vaders mobility is hindered so even if he were as powerful despite his body being burnt to a crisp he still lacks mobility. Kylo would Maul him in a duel worse than Luke did. Kylo and Rey would crush Vader and Luke in rotj. New trilogy is vastly superior to the ot in power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lukes statements show how absurdly powerful Ren was. Snoke confirmed just how powerful Ren was just as Rey became. They soared in power. You ignored Snokes words after he lied to try to manipulate Ren. If you cannot follow along with the dialogue why entertain a debate. You are purposely ignoring Snokes words and reason behind him being cruel at the beginning of the film.

Why would Ben defeat him? What would that do? Palpatine was still in play plus hevwould merge with the force and be less powerful. I do not have to prove Ben was better I never said he was. My point was Vader showed no advantage against an older, weakened Kenobi. Kenobi allowed him to kill him. Hollow victory.



Kylo completed his training by killing Snoke not Rey. Final test. Ben Solo already defeated Luke. Facts clearly matter. Luke chose to hide it was not Ren.

Comics are meant to sell merchandise no director gives a shit about a line in an issue. Even if it was true Ren grew in power Luke ignored the force so he grew weaker. Kenobi defeated Vader while being less powerful and less skilled. Your point while soundly dismissed does not determine the outcome either way.


We go by what we see. Vader might be a better duelist but he is not as powerful as Sidious and he is extremely weak to fl due to the suit. Vaders mobility is hindered so even if he were as powerful despite his body being burnt to a crisp he still lacks mobility. Kylo would Maul him in a duel worse than Luke did. Kylo and Rey would crush Vader and Luke in rotj. New trilogy is vastly superior to the ot in power.

Luke and Snoke were talking about his potential. A potential he never achieved. Luke humiliated Kylo in TLJ with his Force projection and Snoke outright dominated Ren with the Force. And of course, Rey beat his ass without any training.

Why would he defeat one of the two Sith Lords running the galaxy? Are you hearing yourself right now? Vader was drving Kenobi back and forced him to lower his defenses to save Luke. If he could beat Vader he would have. Also, Ben is more powerful in ANH. TCW Kenobi was roughly equal to Maul, while old Ben destroyed Maul in 3 moves. That same Maul was a peer to Ahsoka and actually made her flee.

Killing Snoke didn't mean anything because Snoke was just a puppet. Palpatine made Kylo his servant in TROS.

Ren never beat Luke. Luke was trying to talk to him. When Luke was serious he humiliated him from across the galaxy and made him scream like an angry child.

Vader was more powerful than Dooku, whom even Yoda couldn't just outright defeat, and the suit did not hinder him. This is confirmed in multiple sources, not just comics, which are 100% canon so I don't care how hard you whine about them. Being weak to FL is irrelavant, because Kylo is too weak to conjure lightning. All those years on the dark side and Ren couldn't do learn to do something Dooku could do while he was still a Jedi. Pathetic.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Luke and Snoke were talking about his potential. A potential he never achieved. Luke humiliated Kylo in TLJ with his Force projection and Snoke outright dominated Ren with the Force. And of course, Rey beat his ass without any training.


His raw strength was insane so no they were not. Luke tricked him but died. Ben previously beat him prior to Snoke training. Snoke never dominated him with the force. He tagged him with fl but Kylo was unarmed.


Kylo was

1. Unbalanced
2. Injured by chewie
3. Injured by a lightsaber

Kylo previously beat her twice.



Beating Vader does not save the galaxy but you needed both gone. Killing Vader would not change the galaxy. Kenobi became more powerful when he died as he said. Vader beat a guy who allowed it. He lowered his defenses. Pitiful. Could not even earn his victory.


Calm down. Maul was lost by the time of rebels. Stuck in the past while Kenobi moved on. None of that has any relevance but the Jedi were far from their primes in Anh.

Maul was more formidable years back than what became of him.


It showed how devious he could be. He completed his training. Was his own master at that point.

No, Kylo always betrayed him. Gave him up for Rey. Ren was mad but Luke died. Poor guy died using that power to face Ren. Do it in person yoy weak Jedi. He created Ren by his own fear. Love it.


Vader was not able to best Kenobi. Vader never faced dooku that was Anakin. If you cannot admit the suit hurts his mobility you are about as trustworthy as trump. Deny reality all you want you are the same guy who cried about Star Wars and said you would not even see the final film. You are all feelings no facts. You like Vader I get it but he lost. His life was a tragedy. Regret.


Ren soundly dominated Rey. These two were the peak of power in Star Wars.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His raw strength was insane so no they were not. Luke tricked him but died. Ben previously beat him prior to Snoke training. Snoke never dominated him with the force. He tagged him with fl but Kylo was unarmed.


Kylo was

1. Unbalanced
2. Injured by chewie
3. Injured by a lightsaber

Kylo previously beat her twice.



Beating Vader does not save the galaxy but you needed both gone. Killing Vader would not change the galaxy. Kenobi became more powerful when he died as he said. Vader beat a guy who allowed it. He lowered his defenses. Pitiful. Could not even earn his victory.


Calm down. Maul was lost by the time of rebels. Stuck in the past while Kenobi moved on. None of that has any relevance but the Jedi were far from their primes in Anh.

Maul was more formidable years back than what became of him.


It showed how devious he could be. He completed his training. Was his own master at that point.

No, Kylo always betrayed him. Gave him up for Rey. Ren was mad but Luke died. Poor guy died using that power to face Ren. Do it in person yoy weak Jedi. He created Ren by his own fear. Love it.


Vader was not able to best Kenobi. Vader never faced dooku that was Anakin. If you cannot admit the suit hurts his mobility you are about as trustworthy as trump. Deny reality all you want you are the same guy who cried about Star Wars and said you would not even see the final film. You are all feelings no facts. You like Vader I get it but he lost. His life was a tragedy. Regret.


Ren soundly dominated Rey. These two were the peak of power in Star Wars.

His raw strength was meh at best. Rey has shown stronger Force abilities. Yeah, Luke tricked him. His mastery of the Force was so superior Ren couldn't figure out he was fighting an illusion while the Rebels were escaping. And no, he never beat Luke in a fight. Snoke has directly stated that Luke is Kylo's superior. Kylo was getting uppidy and Snoke shut him down like the child he is.

Rey and Kylo dueled once in TFA and Rey won. Deal with it.

Killing Vader removes the Emperor's most powerful servant from the board. That would have been a huge victory. Obviously, Ben couldn't do it, so he sacrificed himself to let Luke escape.

Maul was not weaker, however. He made Ahsoka flee and Ahsoka is good enough to give Vader a fight for a bit. Obi-Wan destroyed him.

It showed he was weak. He needed to trick Snoke instead of confront him like a real man. It still didn't help, though. Sidious was his true puppet master all along. Killing Snoke did nothing.

Just like Kylo faced Snoke? Lmao.

Anakin is Vader. Vader is canonically stronger than Anakin and AT LEAST as good of a duelist. He casually slaughters Kylo.

Kylo ANNIHILATES the weak and feeble Vader.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Kylo ANNIHILATES the weak and feeble Vader. I will respond to him when I get more time. He is in denial.

Darth Vader is legit a better character than Kylo.

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Gotta love the blind fanboyism from certain posters regarding Kylo Ren.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Gotta love the blind fanboyism from certain posters regarding Kylo Ren. Such as?

Originally posted by Psychotron
His raw strength was meh at best. Rey has shown stronger Force abilities. Yeah, Luke tricked him. His mastery of the Force was so superior Ren couldn't figure out he was fighting an illusion while the Rebels were escaping. And no, he never beat Luke in a fight. Snoke has directly stated that Luke is Kylo's superior. Kylo was getting uppidy and Snoke shut him down like the child he is.

Not according to Luke and we see his force power was equal to hers. Luke gave his life in order to do so. Kylo rose to the top of the First Order. Turned out pretty good for Ky.

No, he was tricked but Luke died doing so. Kylo took him out anyways.

Ben defeated him and Luke fled after he butchered his students. Luke was a pansy. Luke himself knew he failed Ben. Shameful since his illusions led to birth of Kylo Ren.

Kylo killed Snoke and took supplanted him. Cut him in half. You seem upset about it.

Ren was injured and knocked her out defeating her with one force push. Finn then jumped in. Ren was also unbalanced since he killed his father. Context, deal with it.

Does not remove the source just his apprentice. Ben achieved more as a force ghost. Vader never showed superiority. Deal with it, kid.
He was broken as per filoni. Not at his best. Your lack of understanding is cute but you lack context or facts just a misinformed opinion.

Kylo showed he was clever enough to do so while his mind was read. Tremendous feat. of deception. By your own reasoning Luke is a sissy since he never fought him like a man. Do you ever think any of your points through?
Kylo killed him.

Anakin is not in a suit and entirely different mentality and approach. Vader himself sees him as new not Anakin. Watch some Star Wars.

Kylo rapes him. He dominated Rey both crush Vader.