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In terms of Kylo's power in the Force and skill with a lightsaber, who would he compare to?

**Without the dyad amp preferably

I've seen a few people argue that he was around Dooku's level with the force, but I don't know what evidence supports that.

^ Wouldn't have it been the building that KO'd Luke, not so much Kylo himself? But anyway though, he does have some pretty high end feats with the Temple and ship crashing one. Although others even Non-Force Users have survived ship crashes into planets soo?...

Freezing a blaster bolt is nice.

It seems he's not as powerful as he should be. At first, he seemed to have potential, being the best student by far and all. By TLJ, though, Snoke was disappointed that Kylo wasn't turning out like he'd hoped. So what we get from that is that while he's good, he's not Vader/Luke level.

@ Eli
Now, assuming that RotS Anakin was stronger than Dooku and about equal to Windu (which I don't like to, because it causes scaling like the following), then:
Dooku<Anakin<Vader
Kylo<Vader
Kylo ~ Anakin
Kylo ~< Dooku

@Zenwolf
I've never understood why that's supposed to be this amazing feat. I mean it looks cool and all, but can it really be that hard?

Freezing the blaster bolt is really not that impressive tbh, it just looks cool

Originally posted by Zentrex
It seems he's not as powerful as he should be. At first, he seemed to have potential, being the best student by far and all. By TLJ, though, Snoke was disappointed that Kylo wasn't turning out like he'd hoped. So what we get from that is that while he's good, he's not Vader/Luke level.

@ Eli
Now, assuming that RotS Anakin was stronger than Dooku and about equal to Windu (which I don't like to, because it causes scaling like the following), then:
Dooku<Anakin<Vader
Kylo<Vader
Kylo ~ Anakin
Kylo ~< Dooku

@Zenwolf
I've never understood why that's supposed to be this amazing feat. I mean it looks cool and all, but can it really be that hard? So you forget what Snoke said about him at the end of the film prior to him killing him. He used that tactic to lure Rey in through Ren. He flat out said it. Ren was powerful as ****. Luke remarked how powerful both he and Ren were.

Count Dooku does not compare to Skywalker power.

Not very. Bandon level at best.

Total_Warrior>Kylo Ren

I have better feats tbh

Originally posted by Zentrex


@Zenwolf
I've never understood why that's supposed to be this amazing feat. I mean it looks cool and all, but can it really be that hard?

I was more referring to the precise and control aspect not so much the feat itself, probably should have clarified.

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
I've seen a few people argue that he was around Dooku's level with the force, but I don't know what evidence supports that. Guess it depends if Kylo was responsible for destroying Luke's temple with that lightning storm:
https://i.ibb.co/BnnJ1Xs/Star-Wars-The-Rise-Of-Kylo-Ren-c001-NA-p024-dig-Marvel-a-Kraa-HQ.jpg https://i.ibb.co/yN88x9M/Star-Wars-The-Rise-Of-Kylo-Ren-c001-NA-p025-dig-Marvel-a-Kraa-HQ.jpg
Even if he did conjure the storm, however, he didn't seem to have any real control over it.


He also used TK to blow the Dagobah cave to smithereens:
https://i.ibb.co/hsP2PmZ/Star-Wars-Age-Of-Resistance-Supreme-Leader-Snoke-001-018.jpg https://i.ibb.co/p1JJsrw/Star-Wars-Age-Of-Resistance-Supreme-Leader-Snoke-001-020.jpg


And bring down the High Republic vault doorway:
https://i.ibb.co/7JcdjCw/Star-Wars-The-Rise-Of-Kylo-Ren-03-of-04-016.jpg https://i.ibb.co/VtQXdpF/Star-Wars-The-Rise-Of-Kylo-Ren-03-of-04-017.jpg


He's got some other decent Force showings, but those are by far his most impressive displays of raw power.

Wouldn't the dyad have been in effect in that scene?

I have him at least around Vader level.

Originally posted by Sheev
Wouldn't the dyad have been in effect in that scene?
No the dyad only amped them when they worked together as one

Not sure what your point is?

Originally posted by The Merchant
I have him at least around Vader level. Force-wise, Vader obviously has a lot more feats to pull from, but I could see an argument for Kylo approaching his level, given some of his feats(even without the Dyad being in effect.)

Saber skill is another matter, though. No clue where to put Kylo in that regard.

Kylo should be near ROTS Anakin level, if not slightly below