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current versions of both

Can Perpetua defeat the Presence? TOAA and the Presence are equals. The Marvel omniverse is as infinite as the DC omniverse. It isn't even arguable. TOAA is in every time line from beginning to end just like the Presence. All of those What if stories are divergent time lines, and the time lines are infinite.

If Perpetua pulled the same antics in Marvel, TOAA would become weakened/fallible as a result.

Perpetua.

Originally posted by Galan007
If Perpetua pulled the same antics in Marvel, TOAA would become weakened/fallible as a result.

Is that what happened to the Presence?

Originally posted by Stoic
Can Perpetua defeat the Presence? TOAA and the Presence are equals. The Marvel omniverse is as infinite as the DC omniverse. It isn't even arguable. TOAA is in every time line from beginning to end just like the Presence. All of those What if stories are divergent time lines, and the time lines are infinite.

What do you think of this view?

https://youtu.be/4JY0vugM2Kg

Perpetua

Originally posted by Stoic
Is that what happened to the Presence? No, it's what happened to TOAA during Infinity Conflict/Infinity Ending:
https://i.imgur.com/aTIdd0G.jpg

In short: TOAA is only omnipotent within a well-functioning system. Imbalances in the Marvel continuum weaken him.

Originally posted by Galan007
No, it's what happened to TOAA during Infinity Conflict/Infinity Ending:
https://i.imgur.com/aTIdd0G.jpg

In short: TOAA is only omnipotent within a well-functioning system. Imbalances in the Marvel continuum weaken him.

How do Perpetua's antics relate?

Because it's possible that the massive multiversal imbalance created by Perpetua could significantly weaken TOAA... Much like Thanos did after absorbing the power of one Regulator.

But again, that's only IF she pulled the same antics in Marvel.

Galan, you're making an assumption right now, Perpetua has never shown to do that on panel

TOAA Stomps

Obviously it's an assumption. We're talking about characters from two different companies.

I'm simply pointing out that TOAA is only omnipotent within a well-functioning system/multiverse(as he himself stated on panel.) When that system is disrupted, his supremacy dwindles and he becomes fallible.

Does that mean Perpetua can beat him? Maybe, maybe not. Just mentioning the possibilities, is all.

That's starlin views, one writer. the others ignore it. Starlin has a history of not believing omnipotent characters

Starlin's views are still 100% canon, and are also the most recent depiction of TOAA.

Originally posted by Galan007
No, it's what happened to TOAA during Infinity Conflict/Infinity Ending:
https://i.imgur.com/aTIdd0G.jpg

In short: TOAA is only omnipotent within a well-functioning system. Imbalances in the Marvel continuum weaken him.

Which makes no sense. An Omnipotent being should be above such machinations.

BTW, I went to last year's LA con and actually met Starlin in person andasked if the Current infinity books were cannon an he confirmed it was simply a side project that marvel let him have
There definitely non cannon. At all. So it's invalid

there was a interview were he talks about infinity siblings
An they ask him about a new cycle of books he's writing
An stralin clearly differentiates each Thanos
The one marvel uses comic wise
The one he writes about which is a side project
And the movie Version:
https://i.postimg.cc/Mfwy2qgZ/crb.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
BTW, I went to last year's LA con and actually met Starlin in person andasked if the Current infinity books were cannon an he confirmed it was simply a side project that marvel let him have
There definitely non cannon. At all. So it's invalid
Lmao.

I AM Starlin, and I can confirm they are canon

Also, that I've never met you before.

Here's further confirmation @galan

Jim words:

https://i.postimg.cc/Mn8sDJ9D/jui.jpg

Come back when you've read forum rules.

It's not a tweet, big difference

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao.

I AM Starlin, and I can confirm they are canon

Also, that I've never met you before.

https://i.postimg.cc/m126fvc9/les.jpg

I actually go outside unlike you, your life revolve around getting debunked by carv on fiction

Erm.....that's not what the rules say. Have you actually read them?

It was a side project confirmed by brevoort, and Jim himself, you don't have authority over them. It's non canon, period. Try again

It's funny that a "non-canon" story would directly reference canon 616 events...

Here Thanos recalls the past 616 Infinity Gauntlet crises involving himself, Warlock, Magus, and the Goddess, along with his 'death' during Annihilation:
https://i.imgur.com/PGkuapB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tXLNDYW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/obJWVSh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SlM68rv.jpg

Here Warlock's entire 616 history is recalled:
https://i.imgur.com/sScsxl6.jpg

Here Thanos mentions obtaining THOTI:
https://i.imgur.com/7FwKF5J.jpg

And the events of Hickman's Secret Wars was also referenced:
https://i.imgur.com/7394DIT.jpg


Sorry, Alberto, but your interview with Starlin doesn't retcon the facts he presented in the stories themselves.

Also, there's not more than one TOAA in Marvel. Therefore all of his showings would be canon for him regardless.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao.

I AM Starlin, and I can confirm they are canon

Also, that I've never met you before.

Originally posted by Stoic
Can Perpetua defeat the Presence? TOAA and the Presence are equals. The Marvel omniverse is as infinite as the DC omniverse. It isn't even arguable. TOAA is in every time line from beginning to end just like the Presence. All of those What if stories are divergent time lines, and the time lines are infinite. Isn't the same true of all of DC's ELSEWORLD stories?

fyi, i spoke with starlin just after that. he confirmed that he was seconds away from strangling alberto with his bare hands for being such a dumbf*ck.

this is canon

Originally posted by Galan007
It's funny that a "non-canon" story would directly reference canon 616 events...

Here Thanos recalls the past 616 Infinity Gauntlet crises involving himself, Warlock, Magus, and the Goddess, along with his 'death' during Annihilation:
https://i.imgur.com/PGkuapB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tXLNDYW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/obJWVSh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SlM68rv.jpg

Here Warlock's entire 616 history is recalled:
https://i.imgur.com/sScsxl6.jpg

Here Thanos mentions obtaining THOTI:
https://i.imgur.com/7FwKF5J.jpg

And the events of Hickman's Secret Wars was also referenced:
https://i.imgur.com/7394DIT.jpg


Sorry, Alberto, but your interview with Starlin doesn't retcon the facts he presented in the stories themselves.

Also, there's not more than one TOAA in Marvel. Therefore all of his showings would be canon for him regardless.

I see that as using the pre existing lore for his own project
Starlin from the end onward has been doing side projects for thanos
Hence why he differentiates between the Thanos he writes compared to what marvel writes
Etc
Basically Starlin using the foundation of the lore that exists an makes his own thing
But to each its own

Lol looks like someone got corrected on what's canon and what's not on the forum....and in an open thread too.

He didn't correct me. Saint, reduced to dc's cheerleading mascot

i guess me spanking some knowledge into you on a bunch of threads got you terrified to even engage me in open threads nowadays and gotta spectate. THAT'S what happens though #albertoeffect

stay on the sidelines son, adults are speaking, i'll tell you to speak when we're done

Lol ok Albert

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I see that as using the pre existing lore for his own project
Isn't that what canon in Marvel and DC is? Stories building on a pre-existing continuity?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Starlin from the end onward has been doing side projects for thanos
No, he worked for DC until just recently when he wrote the recent Thanos books.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Hence why he differentiates between the Thanos he writes compared to what marvel writes
All writers do. That's why you have the Hulk being reinvented for the fifth time and Ewing referring to it as his take on the character.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's funny that a "non-canon" story would directly reference canon 616 events...

Here Thanos recalls the past 616 Infinity Gauntlet crises involving himself, Warlock, Magus, and the Goddess, along with his 'death' during Annihilation:
https://i.imgur.com/PGkuapB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tXLNDYW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/obJWVSh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SlM68rv.jpg

Here Warlock's entire 616 history is recalled:
https://i.imgur.com/sScsxl6.jpg

Here Thanos mentions obtaining THOTI:
https://i.imgur.com/7FwKF5J.jpg

And the events of Hickman's Secret Wars was also referenced:
https://i.imgur.com/7394DIT.jpg


Sorry, Alberto, but your interview with Starlin doesn't retcon the facts he presented in the stories themselves.

Also, there's not more than one TOAA in Marvel. Therefore all of his showings would be canon for him regardless.

SMH why are people so ignorant ffs

Originally posted by Astner
Isn't that what canon in Marvel and DC is? Stories building on a pre-existing continuity?


No, he worked for DC until just recently when he wrote the recent Thanos books.


All writers do. That's why you have the Hulk being reinvented for the fifth time and Ewing referring to it as his take on the character.

The end is what I meant isn't cannon an it's referenced in the infinity siblings saga
The end which. Is confirmed not cannon by the editor in Chief

Originally posted by Astner
Isn't that what canon in Marvel and DC is? Stories building on a pre-existing continuity?


No, he worked for DC until just recently when he wrote the recent Thanos books.


All writers do. That's why you have the Hulk being reinvented for the fifth time and Ewing referring to it as his take on the character.

Pre existing continuity yes but Starlin makes his own side stories off that
That stray away from the main cannot universe
Starlin literally acknowledge that In the interview I posted
There's no reason to differentiate thanos in writing is they were the same

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I see that as using the pre existing lore for his own project
Starlin from the end onward has been doing side projects for thanos
Hence why he differentiates between the Thanos he writes compared to what marvel writes
Etc
Basically Starlin using the foundation of the lore that exists an makes his own thing
But to each its own

ALSO, Thanos in the new Starlin books is heavily characterized by the experiences of Marvel: The End, which is non-canon. This version of Thanos is a continuation of a non-canon storyline and is therefore also non-canon.

Likewise, the being that Thanos usurps at the end is referred to only as "Above All Others" in the storyline. This may mean it's referring to a different character.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
https://i.postimg.cc/m126fvc9/les.jpg

I actually go outside unlike you, your life revolve around getting debunked by carv on fiction

I thought this was you.. https://i.postimg.cc/nVmG2vgS/3-EC8-E7-D4-9-FBB-4-A4-A-87-CF-CFBAAF5-CAE5-C.jpg

Lmao

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao Im wondering if Alberto lied and just picked a random picture of a kid with starlin.

That's kinda weird lol

Originally posted by Galan007
Because it's possible that the massive multiversal imbalance created by Perpetua could significantly weaken TOAA... Much like Thanos did after absorbing the power of one Regulator.

But again, that's only IF she pulled the same antics in Marvel.

Does that happen with the incursions or the Beyonders? And aren't you assigning something akin to prep for Perpetua?

@Hulkster

HERE'S Jim's words suggesting HIS THANOS isn't mainstream/ canon to what goes on with marvel

https://i.postimg.cc/K3MXHdbn/Screenshot-121.png

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
ALSO, Thanos in the new Starlin books is heavily characterized by the experiences of Marvel: The End, which is non-canon. This version of Thanos is a continuation of a non-canon storyline and is therefore also non-canon. Marvel: The End is absolutely canon.

Referenced in the 2003 Thanos mini:
https://i.imgur.com/Ubu1BNF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oCowG70.jpg

Referenced in Thanos' 2008 OHOTMU bio:
https://i.imgur.com/LZlM0H1.jpg

Referenced in Eternity's 2008 OHOTMU bio:
https://i.imgur.com/kOJIEAy.jpg

Referenced in Infinity's 2008 OHOTMU bio:
https://i.imgur.com/NQeV0NP.jpg

Referenced in Living Tribunal's 2008 OHOTMU bio:
https://i.imgur.com/zscWL3e.jpg

Referenced in Order and Chaos' 2008 OHOTMU bio:
https://i.imgur.com/vAl7VMK.jpg

Referenced in the 2010 Thanos Sourcebook
https://i.imgur.com/fcEA2fg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7XVMjWJ.jpg

Referenced in 2014 Infinity Revelation:
https://i.imgur.com/GYpdWI3.jpg


So if Starlin's recent Thanos stories build on The End(like you just said), then it is even more canon... As multiple sources indicate.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Likewise, the being that Thanos usurps at the end is referred to only as "Above All Others" in the storyline. This may mean it's referring to a different character. So LT is subservient to more than one "omnipotent" being in Marvel?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@Hulkster

HERE'S Jim's words suggesting HIS THANOS isn't mainstream/ canon to what goes on with marvel

https://i.postimg.cc/K3MXHdbn/Screenshot-121.png Interviews do not retcon established canon. I know you are aware of this.

https://brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/post/94063615333/so-despite-everyone-else-believing-the-end-was

https://brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/post/107750758608/wait-a-second-wait-a-second-i-just-saw-on

yes, "counter" on panel facts with inadmissible interviews, you tard.

jfc the troll idiocy on display here.........

The editor pointed out that death is not final in the mainstream MU. That's an on panel fact.

what does death not being final have to do with the story's cononicity lol?

if brevoort didnt want marvel-the end to be canon then there shouldn't have been so many direct mentionings of it in canon books.

Because at the end of the book, Thanos makes death final. No more coming back to life.

Practically all references are from handbooks and the few on panel references come from Starlin's books.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Because at the end of the book, Thanos makes death final. No more coming back to life.

Practically all references are from handbooks and the few on panel references come from Starlin's books. that doesnt make it noncanon. it just means other writers didn't give a shit about recycling characters who have died.

So is that 2003 thanos series noncanon also? are you idiots now trying to act like every story that starlin ever wrote isnt canon?

it's hard to imagine people actually being this stupid but here we are......

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
that doesnt make it noncanon. it just means other writers didn't give a shit about recycling characters who have died.

So is that 2003 thanos series noncanon also? are you idiots now trying to act like every story that starlin ever wrote isnt canon?

it's hard to imagine people actually being this stupid but here we are......

Earth 4321

https://imgur.com/a/5ZJmVoY

Galan, I'll address your scans in a few BUT PRESENCE isn't OMNIPOTENT either:

https://i.postimg.cc/bsqLrHQ9/image.jpg

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Earth 4321

https://imgur.com/a/5ZJmVoY yes you dimwit.

akhenatons past split into an alternate reality when thanos teleported back in time and killed him before he had a chance to obtain thotu. thanos then traveled back to the point in time that he had left- current 616. why do you think none of the other bios for the abstracts mention reality 4321?

also, i like your back and forth stance on when bios are usable.

Earth 4231 is split into Earth-TRN510 when DOOM travels back in time and kills him.

which is irrelevant to the fact that thanos went back to the exact point he had left after dealing with akhenaton- current 616.

why are you going out of your way to make this so hard lol?

I mean.....just stepping back for a bit....the clue is in the name

@astner your scan implies it's TOAA's choice to alllow divergent possibilities for amusement. There's room for debate.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
ALSO, Thanos in the new Starlin books is heavily characterized by the experiences of Marvel: The End, which is non-canon. This version of Thanos is a continuation of a non-canon storyline and is therefore also non-canon.

Likewise, the being that Thanos usurps at the end is referred to only as "Above All Others" in the storyline. This may mean it's referring to a different character.

The second point about "Above All Others" vs TOAA convinced me. Perhaps there is an intermediary sentience in that universe between TOAA and TLT.

@astner

Non-canon doesn't always mean that it takes place in an alt universe which is ultimately still canon to the greater Multiverse. Sometimes it just means that it's a story with Marvel's characters that isn't connected to their multiverse at all.

still waiting for actual proof that the stories aren't canon lol.

stop dick-riding interviews ffs.

Originally posted by lft4ded
The second point about "Above All Others" vs TOAA convinced me. Perhaps there is an intermediary sentience in that universe between TOAA and TLT. you should read infinity ending if you seriously think "the one above all" and "above all others" are different characters lol

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
that doesnt make it noncanon. it just means other writers didn't give a shit about recycling characters who have died.

So is that 2003 thanos series noncanon also? are you idiots now trying to act like every story that starlin ever wrote isnt canon?

it's hard to imagine people actually being this stupid but here we are......

The 2003 series itself only has a tenuous connection to anything in continuity. The main reason it references The End is because it's also written by Jim Starlin, who has his own individual pseudo-canon spanning all of his works, because Marvel editors can't really reign him in due to his notoriety.

With regards to being mentioned in "canon" books it's really just the other Starlin series and some promotional fluff material that primarily came out before Brevoort made it clear that it had always been non-canon.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
you should read infinity ending if you seriously think "the one above all" and "above all others" are different characters lol They are definitely the same being. People are just trying to dig for excuses:

https://i.imgur.com/MnIdpbC.jpg

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
still waiting for actual proof that the stories aren't canon lol.

stop dick-riding interviews ffs.

Starlin himself came down from high, cupped his hand around Albert's supple young frame, and whispered that it was indeed canon.

And if he wanted to pay a little extra, he could come and see his Infinity Gems.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The 2003 series itself only has a tenuous connection to anything in continuity. The main reason it references The End is because it's also written by Jim Starlin, who has his own individual pseudo-canon spanning all of his works, because Marvel editors can't really reign him in due to his notoriety.

With regards to being mentioned in "canon" books it's really just the other Starlin series and some promotional fluff material that primarily came out before Brevoort made it clear that it had always been non-canon. Interviews aren't admissible. On panel info is.

So what's your PROOF that Marvel: The End, The Thanos mini, and the recent Infinity series are non-canon?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
BTW, I went to last year's LA con and actually met Starlin in person andasked if the Current infinity books were cannon an he confirmed it was simply a side project that marvel let him have
There definitely non cannon. At all. So it's invalid

Phuck you Galan, this isn't just an interview. This is Word of God.

galan- "these stories are canon and heres at least a dozen on panel reasons why"

the idiots- "b..but.....interviews breh!"


the depth of trolling is amazing.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Phuck you Galan, this isn't just an interview. This is Word of God. tbf, starlin was probably just trying to figure out how a 46 year old man was appearing to him in the vessel of a 16 year old boy.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
tbf, starlin was probably just trying to figure out how a 46 year old man was appearing to him in the vessel of a 16 year old boy.

"TELL ME YOUR SECRET!!!!"

"Lmao it's common sense, Jim. My birth certificate is non canon. You're so bad at this, all the other writers laugh at you."

*proceeds to challenge starlin to a BZ*

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Non-canon doesn't always mean that it takes place in an alt universe which is ultimately still canon to the greater Multiverse. Sometimes it just means that it's a story with Marvel's characters that isn't connected to their multiverse at all.
Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

Originally posted by Galan007
Interviews aren't admissible. On panel info is.

So what's your PROOF that Marvel: The End, The Thanos mini, and the recent Infinity series are non-canon?

So YOU'RE telling me that NOTHING Brevoort says overrides the comic?
You know WHO he is right?

He's the WOG

Called it, lol.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So YOU'RE telling me that NOTHING Brevoort says overrides the comic?
You know WHO he is right?

He's the WOG If he wanted the stories to be non-canon, then he shouldn't have allowed multiple books to be published that solidify their canonicity within the company.

This, again, is why writer statements are not admissible and do not override on-panel fact/canon.

Originally posted by Galan007
They are definitely the same being. People are just trying to dig for excuses:

https://i.imgur.com/MnIdpbC.jpg

In that storyline that seems to be who TLT works for.

Originally posted by Galan007
If he wanted the stories to be non-canon, then he shouldn't have allowed multiple books to be published that solidify their canonicity within the company.

This, again, is why writer statements are not admissible and do not override on-panel fact/canon.

Which is why Jim Starlin saying it's canon is irrelevant. The editor HOWEVER is literally the person (or one of the people) who decides canonicity to Marvel Comics. THAT'S a fact

Originally posted by Galan007
If he wanted the stories to be non-canon, then he shouldn't have allowed multiple books to be published that solidify their canonicity within the company.

This, again, is why writer statements are not admissible and do not override on-panel fact/canon.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I thought writers statement didn't count on forums?


but i guess they only start "counting" when albert has nothing else to help his case.

Brevoort isn't a writer, he's an Editor
THERE'S a difference

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
but i guess they only start "counting" when albert has nothing else to help his case.

He's THE editor of all these series, but nah man what he says doesn't matter to dc fans

https://i.postimg.cc/gXgTMP0k/tsa.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/jDWn26f8/uga.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/LYPVPKZb/the.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/p5hyrRhm/tys.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Brevoort isn't a writer, he's an Editor
THERE'S a difference A terrible editor, given that he allowed multiple books to be published which confirm the canonicity of the stories in question.

Again: this is why interviews can not be used to 'retcon' established on-panel fact. This is not a debate, this is the rules.

Now, IF you can provide me with on-panel evidence which suggests that the aforementioned stories are non-canon, I'm open to continuing this discussion. But as it stands, you have absolutely nothing to support your "case" here. So just cut the trolling BS and move on...

It's not even a DC Fan thing. Assnerd doesn't even like comics.

Originally posted by Galan007
A terrible editor, given that he allowed multiple books to be published which confirm the canonicity of the stories in question.

Again: this is why interviews can not be used to 'retcon' established on-panel fact. This is not a debate, this is the rules.

Now, IF you can provide me with on-panel evidence which suggests that the aforementioned stories are non-canon, I'm open to continuing this discussion. But as it stands, you have absolutely nothing to support your "case" here. So just cut the trolling BS and move on...

lmao you can have it

IF its against the rules, than I guess

BUT The 2003 Thanos series references the End because it's also a Starlin book and he doesn't like that The End is non-canon. The other references are solely promotional fluff like guidebooks which were written before Brevoort clarified that it was a non-canon series.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
BUT The 2003 Thanos series references the End because it's also a Starlin book A canon Starlin book.

Originally posted by Galan007
A terrible editor, given that he allowed multiple books to be published which confirm the canonicity of the stories in question.

Again: this is why interviews can not be used to 'retcon' established on-panel fact. This is not a debate, this is the rules.

Now, IF you can provide me with on-panel evidence which suggests that the aforementioned stories are non-canon, I'm open to continuing this discussion. But as it stands, you have absolutely nothing to support your "case" here. So just cut the trolling BS and move on...

What about the handbook entry designation of Earth 4321?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
What about the handbook entry designation of Earth 4321? i already explained that to you, my dimwitted friend.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
i already explained that to you, my dimwitted friend.

No, you reached deep into your stink hole to pull out sometime that made no sense.

they are the canon facts, so i suggest you take a nice long whiff of my stink hole.

thanos went back in time, diverged akhenaton's reality into 4321 by altering his destiny, then went back to the exact point he left in current 616.



https://media.giphy.com/media/EJtYq10MxsX5K/giphy.gif

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
they are the canon facts, so i suggest you take a nice long whiff of my stink hole.

thanos went back in time, diverged akhenaton's reality into 4321 by altering his destiny, then went back to the exact point he left in current 616.

cry more

The page includes his 17 year reign as part of the Earth 4321 designation, which is before the time altering. The only source for 616 comes from you.

lmao so much derp.

akhenaton w. thotu originally appeared in 616. when thanos obtained thotu he went back in time to prevent akhenaton from obtaining thotu. this diverged akhenaton's past into reality 4321. thanos then went BACK to the point he left -current 616- and proceeded with his plans.

that is again why NONE of the other characters bios and sources mention reality 4321.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol.

Brevoort is an absolute dipshit.

Yes, he works for Above All Others, who is "the supreme being and ruler of all realities." aka. TOAA / aka. God.

That is how LT has always been depicted. God=#1, LT=#2 in the cosmological hierarchy.

LT has also always been depicted as a single entity overseeing the multiverse and is depicted as such but Hickman. Yet Starlin has him a a single universe entity and the one from 616 being the only one killed by the Beyonders. IIRC, he portrays 616 as the only universe destroyed.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
LT has also always been depicted as a single entity overseeing the multiverse and is depicted as such but Hickman. Yet Starlin has him a a single universe entity and the one from 616 being the only one killed by the Beyonders. IIRC, he portrays 616 as the only universe destroyed. yes. different writers depict things differently. this is nothing new FFS.

Originally posted by Galan007
A canon Starlin book.

Starlin has sort of his own ongoing canon.

And different depictions are not retcons.

Perpetua loses this. Even if this battle is based on Starlin's depiction, the OP makes no reference to an a disfunctioning system.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Starlin has sort of his own ongoing canon. It's still a canon series, and its events have been referenced in other canon material: like Annihilation, for example.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
And different depictions are not retcons.

Pretty sure 2 different authors depictions of the same thing that contradicts each other are retcons.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol.

Brevoort is an absolute dipshit.

Yes, he works for Above All Others, who is "the supreme being and ruler of all realities." aka. TOAA / aka. God.

That is how LT has always been depicted. God=#1, LT=#2 in the cosmological hierarchy.

But lots of characters claim omnipotence and AAO proved that to not be the case. Has TOAA ever been forcefully overridden?

Originally posted by Galan007
It's still a canon series, and its events have been referenced in other canon material: like Annihilation, for example.

Yeah, I'm aware. I dont buy the "Marvel The End -> Thanos (2003) -> Annihilation event" to canonize The End.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah, I'm aware. I dont buy the "Marvel The End -> Thanos (2003) -> Annihilation event" to canonize The End. So the Thanos mini is canon, but "The End" isn't... Even though its events were explicitly referenced/shown in the Thanos mini as part of Thanos' backstory?

Lol, okay...

Originally posted by lft4ded
But lots of characters claim omnipotence and AAO proved that to not be the case. Has TOAA ever been forcefully overridden? Are you suggesting that there is more than one "supreme being and ruler of all realities" in Marvel..?

Also, Thanos referred to OAA as "the source of all there is, was, and ever will be":
https://i.imgur.com/3A7ocyY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/E0xhac9.jpg

Is there more than one of those as well, or is it possible that maybe...just maybe... "The One Above All", and "Above All Others" are the exact same being, like the story suggests?

Galan, There's more evidence towards Presence not being omnipotent. JUST saying

That is a different discussion that has no bearing on anything I've mentioned here.

Originally posted by Galan007
Are you suggesting that there is more than one "supreme being and ruler of all realities" in Marvel..?

Also, Thanos referred to OAA as "the source of all there is, was, and ever will be":
https://i.imgur.com/3A7ocyY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/E0xhac9.jpg

Is there more than one of those as well, or is it possible that maybe...just maybe... "The One Above All", and "Above All Others" are the exact same being, like the story suggests?

There is also this:

https://imgur.com/a/6WLsZdi

Which goes back to this:
Originally posted by Galan007
In short: TOAA is only omnipotent within a well-functioning system. Imbalances in the Marvel continuum weaken him.

Edit

Yeahhhh I KNOW, GALAN already said that. WHY don't you learn how to read instead of repeating something that was already said

Why did you need Galan to say it to have it pointed out to you?

Squall, don't quote me

Originally posted by Galan007
Which goes back to this:

None of that is true. at all

Originally posted by Galan007
So the Thanos mini is canon, but "The End" isn't... Even though its events were explicitly referenced/shown in the Thanos mini as part of Thanos' backstory?

Lol, okay...



ummm YES , BECAUSE it was Starlin's own story that referenced another work of his years before Brevoort explained that The End was non-canon, which Starlin has never accepted anyways, but Editor >>> Writer.

Obviously

But Brevoort's explanations - even you interpret them correctly - are still moot, because:

I remember he also claimed to be theacidskull on Comicvine, until Dambo came and said he actually knew the guy.

Then there was the time he made two accounts on Spacebattles, and copy/pasted all of our debates across onto there so it looked like he was super popular.

I wonder if the good people at Spacebattles know?

TOAA should stomp here

Originally posted by Galan007
Are you suggesting that there is more than one "supreme being and ruler of all realities" in Marvel..?

Also, Thanos referred to OAA as "the source of all there is, was, and ever will be":
https://i.imgur.com/3A7ocyY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/E0xhac9.jpg

Is there more than one of those as well, or is it possible that maybe...just maybe... "The One Above All", and "Above All Others" are the exact same being, like the story suggests?

Originally posted by Galan007
They are definitely the same being. People are just trying to dig for excuses:

https://i.imgur.com/MnIdpbC.jpg


You have closed the case in this thread multiple time already Galan, TOAA=AAO, you know this, we know this

I have no other evidence to prove otherwise. I just found it odd that one commonly used designation, TOAA, was suddenly and entirely abandoned for a different one, AAO.

That being said, I'd still side with TOAA in this match-up.