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Why do we give Nintendo a pass for not making a powerful console like Sony and Microsoft? Why do we let them be different for the sake of being different? A triangular wheel is different, but that doesn't make it useful.

If Nintendo wants to get third party support, they need to make a powerful console. It's as simple as that.

They're like the Italian Mafia before Michael Corleone. The dinosaurs in charge thought CD Roms were a passing fad, and carts were the way to go.


They can get away with it because they're the video game equivalent of Disney, and their fan base will throw money at the same crap they've been putting out forever.

Originally posted by VG_Addict
If Nintendo wants to get third party support, they need to make a powerful console. It's as simple as that.

They don't want or need third party support. Nintendo has been most successful when doing their own thing like with the Wii and Switch. The one time they directly competed with Microsoft and Sony was with the Gamecube (which was the most powerful console at the time) and they got creamed.

Originally posted by ares834
They don't want or need third party support. Nintendo has been most successful when doing their own thing like with the Wii and Switch. The one time they directly competed with Microsoft and Sony was with the Gamecube (which was the most powerful console at the time) and they got creamed.

The GameCube failed because Nintendo made the stupid decision to use those tiny discs, which made it harder to develop for.

Nobody buys Nintendo consoles for third party games. That idea ended when the Wii became one of the most successful consoles ever.

Originally posted by VG_Addict
The GameCube failed because Nintendo made the stupid decision to use those tiny discs, which made it harder to develop for.

Partially. Either way, the found great success in making a weaker but unique console. Plus, handhelds have always been Nintendo's strong suit.

As others have stated, Nintendo has no reason to change. They make a shit ton of money, much to the dismay of certain sections of the "hardcore" crowd.

Phone games make more money than pc and console combined. Device power doesn't matter as much as some wish it did.

I'd prefer that they and everyone else just stop making consoles entirely.

Make a one time big purchase on a high powered gaming PC and then you can play games that run and look much better than on any console for multiple console generations.

Supporting consoles makes the industry shit tbh

Originally posted by VG_Addict
If Nintendo wants to get third party support, they need to make a powerful console.

Buddy... Have you seen the Switch library?... At this point it's nearly as diverse as PS4 and arguably more diverse then Xbone.

I like that Nintendo does their own thing, they still make money regardless. Let Microsoft and Sony trip over one another and their console war thing of who has the biggest and more powerful. Nintendo doesn't need to get involved with that headache.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'd prefer that they and everyone else just stop making consoles entirely.

Make a one time big purchase on a high powered gaming PC and then you can play games that run and look much better than on any console for multiple console generations.

Supporting consoles makes the industry shit tbh


Consoles were historically more reliable, hassle free, and had a longer life span, compared to PC.


I still play on original hardware over emulation because setting up a PS2 emulator every system is a *****, I don't have a means to extract the system bios and need to pirate it, and the emulation can have bugs.


Same thing with PC games, every new Windows update it's a crap shoot if something gets broken or not.

We are all forgetting that the Wii U was a massive failure.
If Switch followed suit, Nintendo would of been a pretty big problem.

I don't think Nintendo is a sure thing as people think it is. They have their niche and are doing well but a few misses will definitely hurt.

Once we start moving towards cloud based streaming, where will Nintendo be?

And Nintendo is one of the most non-consumer friendly manufacturer/software developer out there.

Originally posted by Smasandian
We are all forgetting that the Wii U was a massive failure.
If Switch followed suit, Nintendo would of been a pretty big problem.

I don't think Nintendo is a sure thing as people think it is. They have their niche and are doing well but a few misses will definitely hurt.

Once we start moving towards cloud based streaming, where will Nintendo be?

And Nintendo is one of the most non-consumer friendly manufacturer/software developer out there. I'm of the opinion that physical media for games will always be a thing, changing to a cloud-based format will cause a crash for the industry.

How many people do you know, truly, or hell, even heard about, that decided to go for download-only?

People still value physical media, and I have no doubt that Nintendo, Sony, & Microsoft agree.

Also, Nintendo has mountains of third-party support, just because majority are ports, doesn't mean they don't count, Nintendo needed these ports to catch up with the gaming world.

They keep bringing bigger and bigger games to Switch and everyone keeps getting shocked.

How many of you were super surprised when you saw Skyrim on Switch alone?? Then DOOM 2016, Dark Souls, Dragon's Dogma, Diablo III, Assassin's Creed IV, Saints Row 3 & 4, Witcher ****ing 3, and even DOOM: Eternal and Outer World's are coming.

Then we have the countless cult classic ports that Xbox never got and still don't have (that Switch and PS4 do).

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I'm of the opinion that physical media for games will always be a thing, changing to a cloud-based format will cause a crash for the industry.

How many people do you know, truly, or hell, even heard about, that decided to go for download-only?

People still value physical media, and I have no doubt that Nintendo, Sony, & Microsoft agree.

That's just not true anymore.

PC has been download only for the 10+ years. Microsoft's Xbox Game Pass is becoming more and more popular. Gamestop is failing. There is now 4 major store fronts for download only titles when there used to only one.

How would cloud based format crash the industry? That makes no sense. It will change but it won't crash it. Software developers will still sell software....

Originally posted by Smasandian
How would cloud based format crash the industry? That makes no sense. It will change but it won't crash it. Software developers will still sell software....

Because it'd be neutering half the fans of gaming in general, I don't think I've ever met someone without at least 1 physical game in their collection.

Maybe you disagree but I think it's different then the whole Netflix-Blockbuster situation years ago.

That's just not true anymore.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190225/digital-and-physical-game-sales-in-the-us-since-2009/

Only 17% of sales are physical. I assume this number is due to the amount of sales are attributed to Steam, Epic, GOG, Windows Store and etc.

https://www.ccn.com/playstation-4-digital-game-sales-overtake-physical-thats-a-first/

This is for PS4...the most popular console and where all physical sales would be accounted for (you cannot buy PC games through physical means anymore)

For Nintendo, http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/04/ nintendos_digital_sales_are_nearly_double_the_amou
nt_of_the_previous_fiscal_year

Probably the biggest console for physical sales to the lack of hard drive space and etc...but its digital is still climbing

I am not going to say physical will completely be replaced anytime soon but it will happen. It's happening.

What's your point? Digital=/=streaming.

Originally posted by ares834
They don't want or need third party support. Nintendo has been most successful when doing their own thing like with the Wii and Switch. The one time they directly competed with Microsoft and Sony was with the Gamecube (which was the most powerful console at the time) and they got creamed. Agreed. I want them to stay in their niche and keep pumping out fantastic games. I have no interest in playing Battlefield on my Switch. I have my PS4, Xbox, and PC for that. Give me a new Fire Emblem game instead.

Well, the topic kinda changed. My stance is the same on Nintendo's console "power", but I agree with Smas that digital distribution is the future. Not just for games, but most things: books, music, movies, etc. We most recently saw this when digital comics became a thing. People would rave about how great having the physical collection is or whatever, myself included, then you realize it really serves no purpose. I had to move and just had long boxes I couldn't do shit with. I sold them and switched to digital, and it's just blatantly the superior option.

Same thing with physical copies of games. Most advantages they hold, like re-selling, won't be around much longer. At least not as a major practice.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Because it'd be neutering half the fans of gaming in general, I don't think I've ever met someone without at least 1 physical game in their collection.

Maybe you disagree but I think it's different then the whole Netflix-Blockbuster situation years ago.
You doubted the rise of mobile gaming too though.

I think Smas is right. The writing's on the wall for physical media in general. Just a matter of time.

Maybe it's time to buy genuine Atari 2600.


Only half joking. Online just isn't as reliable as physical media. Remember that story of Kindle ebooks being remotely erased off of devices because of copyrights issues? That kind of thing can never happen with a book.


Gaming is worse, even the Xbox 360 kept from from gaming a few times because of some odd profile login problems. My Steam and Epic accounts had days with downed internet, no games there.


Meanwhile, pop in a PS2 DVD and just play.

Yeah, gotta love DRM.

And physical helps preserve certain things we would otherwise lose; certain games never re-released digitally or anything because of being stuck in copyright hell (i.e. Goldeneye) or the company/publisher of said games no longer being around... Is why piracy for games is unfortunately needed to an extent, because we would have a lot of games that would just otherwise be lost to time.

Reliable? That's a strange reason.

I am not sure what story you are referencing but if its the Orwell's 1984 copyright issue than you have completely wrong.

A company uploaded an illegal copy of the 1984. Amazon found out and remove it because it was illegal. And then...refunded the purchase to anybody who bought it.

No difference if it was found you bought an illegal copy of physical copy of a book.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Reliable? That's a strange reason.

I am not sure what story you are referencing but if its the Orwell's 1984 copyright issue than you have completely wrong.

A company uploaded an illegal copy of the 1984. Amazon found out and remove it because it was illegal. And then...refunded the purchase to anybody who bought it.

No difference if it was found you bought an illegal copy of physical copy of a book.

That illegal copy was already on their device though.


"Illegal" copies of books gets sold and kept all the time. They become highly sought after collectibles.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah, gotta love DRM.

And physical helps preserve certain things we would otherwise lose; certain games never re-released digitally or anything because of being stuck in copyright hell (i.e. Goldeneye) or the company/publisher of said games no longer being around... Is why piracy for games is unfortunately needed to an extent, because we would have a lot of games that would just otherwise be lost to time.


GTA games and their music lists are a good example. San Andreas just isn't the same without the full set.


That ties into a problem with hd remakes in general. Try looking up the differences between Devil May Cry on the PS2 and the various HD Collections. Those videos are why I abandoned the HD sets I bought and dusted off my PS2 copy.

Originally posted by cdtm
Maybe it's time to buy genuine Atari 2600.

Only half joking. Online just isn't as reliable as physical media. Remember that story of Kindle ebooks being remotely erased off of devices because of copyrights issues? That kind of thing can never happen with a book.

Gaming is worse, even the Xbox 360 kept from from gaming a few times because of some odd profile login problems. My Steam and Epic accounts had days with downed internet, no games there.

Meanwhile, pop in a PS2 DVD and just play.
No distribution method is flawless of course, but I still feel like we can't judge based on fringe scenarios. Your house could burn down and there goes all your physical copies. As a kid, my house was broken into and they took my entire game collection, among other things. Even aside from that, physical media can be damaged or lost. If your internet is down, just play offline games.

Regardless, I feel like I'd rather have the convenience of digital copies. Your purchases have digital records/receipts associated with your account, so replacing downloads isn't hard. I don't have to take anything with me if I travel either. Less stuff to deal with is always good.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
And physical helps preserve certain things we would otherwise lose; certain games never re-released digitally or anything because of being stuck in copyright hell (i.e. Goldeneye) or the company/publisher of said games no longer being around... Is why piracy for games is unfortunately needed to an extent, because we would have a lot of games that would just otherwise be lost to time.
Fair, but that's strictly for a select few games of the past, like Einhander, when digital wasn't an option. I don't see that being necessary moving forward as digital becomes the default. Digital games won't risk being lost to time, for the most part.

You don't really own digital media though. You license it.


That means you can legally be deprived of it, or restricted from it.



The scenerios I mentioned are actually quite common among digital platforms. DRM is always a problem, and internet/data is unreliable.

Take the infamous Lizard Squad time out on Christmas.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Agreed. I want them to stay in their niche and keep pumping out fantastic games. I have no interest in playing Battlefield on my Switch. I have my PS4, Xbox, and PC for that. Give me a new Fire Emblem game instead. They have more third-party support on Switch then they did on Gamecube objectively.

It's great you have no interest in playing games portably, but a lot of us do.

Sometimes people wanna enjoy a game without the hassle of having to sit down for 20 minutes then leave because they have work or plans. The Switch is convenient as hell, and I'm sorry but games look gorgeous on it.

Would they look better on PS4 and Xbone? Yes, and they do, but Breath of the Wild was one of the most beautiful games I've ever played regardless.

However, I do think they need to power-up a teensy bit to survive next-gen.

Originally posted by cdtm
That illegal copy was already on their device though.


"Illegal" copies of books gets sold and kept all the time. They become highly sought after collectibles.

Soo...it's an illegal copy of a book. They were not even supposed to sell it. As long as the buyers get refunded, that's fine.

If you buy stolen property and people find out..it will get taken away. Hell, in Canada, you can go to jail for it.

The point is moot because digital purchases are becoming the norm for most devices. It's already the norm for all PC purchases and becoming the same with consoles. Once Gamestop fails, it will most likely be the deciding factor because the used game market will completely dry up.

And...gaming subscriptions are becoming the norm as well. In 5 years, you will most likely see all three companies provide a gaming subscription service and it will probably be the most used.

That's not how possession works. Once you buy something, it's yours.


This thing was popular in malls:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Player_Super_Joy_III

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Player_Super_Joy_III#/media/File%3APPSJIIIboxfront.JPG


Totally illegal. No one was forced to return it.


Possession is 9/10's of the law. As long as an item isn't drugs, weapons, or involves minors, what you buy you can keep, regardless of copyright laws or legalities. That's the sellers problem. If anyone gets in legal trouble, it's the vendor, not the consumer.

These were literally the same arguments digital comic detractors used. Cycle repeats.
Originally posted by cdtm
You don't really own digital media though. You license it.

That means you can legally be deprived of it, or restricted from it.

The scenerios I mentioned are actually quite common among digital platforms. DRM is always a problem, and internet/data is unreliable.

Take the infamous Lizard Squad time out on Christmas.
You only pay for access, but this, in practicality, affects nothing. Online games require internet, whether you own a physical copy or not. Offline games can be played offline in the digital version too. I don't see what's the problem here. I'd be interested in a legit discussion of improving DRM though, like what GOG is doing: it's Steam but truly DRM free.

We can't fabricate doomsday scenarios where we sstruggle to find internet time, our game licenses are all revoked at random, and we wait for illegal game discs in the mail to re-sell though. It's as realistic as me using the shipment delays caused by COVID-19 lockdown against physical media.

The reality is that digital games wouldn't perform so well if the internet was so unreliable. I mean, hell, we do our taxes and renew our licenses online nowadays. The world's getting increasingly virtual. If your connection goes out that often, you should contact your ISP for a quick service call my man. :up

Originally posted by cdtm
That's not how possession works. Once you buy something, it's yours.

This thing was popular in malls:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Player_Super_Joy_III

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Player_Super_Joy_III#/media/File%3APPSJIIIboxfront.JPG

Totally illegal. No one was forced to return it.

Possession is 9/10's of the law. As long as an item isn't drugs, weapons, or involves minors, what you buy you can keep, regardless of copyright laws or legalities. That's the sellers problem. If anyone gets in legal trouble, it's the vendor, not the consumer.
Like I said, fringe scenario. "Hope for illegally distributed game products to come your way" doesnt really work.