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The clear racism is hilarious. As will be the lack of response from the democrat party. I love when they show their true colors.

Originally posted by Surtur
The clear racism is hilarious. As will be the lack of response from the democrat party. I love when they show their true colors.

because nobody will buy into your faux-outrage? awww, too bad nobody cares. so sorry.

He said what he said its not faux outrage, deflecting to that doesnt erase what a dumb racist thing he said.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
He said what he said its not faux outrage, deflecting to that doesnt erase what a dumb racist thing he said.

"He"? Are you feeling okay?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
"He"? Are you feeling okay?

dur

my bad I thought this was the other "YOU'RE A RACIST" slander thread.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
dur

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
because nobody will buy into your faux-outrage? awww, too bad nobody cares. so sorry.

Lol I'm not outraged, I'm laughing at the sheer hypocrisy of democrats.

these ineffectual faux-outrage topics all look the same to me

So what he said was totally ok, and if a Republican said it, you would have no problem with it, gotcha, lets add this to another checkmark on the hypocrisy checklist.

faux-outrage topic will be forgotten by monday. so sorry

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
these ineffectual faux-outrage topics all look the same to me

Oh kiddo, you don't cry over the whiny passive aggressive threads from your e-gang. This hill? It ain't it

Yea you dont care he said it, but you would if Trump did.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
faux-outrage topic will be forgotten by monday. so sorry

That's the point. Bingo! This highlights the racism of the democrats. As I have said before: they only care about power.

It's why the thread of you guys crying about corruption is priceless.

Originally posted by Surtur
Oh kiddo, you don't cry over the whiny passive aggressive threads from your e-gang. This hill? It ain't it

you should take a relaxing vacation from atop your hill, where the oxygen is obviously thin

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Yea you dont care he said it, but you would if Trump did.

The best part is what their own logic says. Their logic says Trump is racist and thus anyone who votes for him is racist.

Well...shucks lol. They are kind of in a bind now. Can't wait for the excuse it's gonna b epic.

I have to say it was HILARIOUS to hear Biden say what he did, whadda guy.

Originally posted by snowdragon
I have to say it was HILARIOUS to hear Biden say what he did, whadda guy.

Indeed it was. And his "I do this to white media and black media!" comment. Pure gold.

And the response/lack of response speaks volumes.

Originally posted by Surtur
The clear racism is hilarious. As will be the lack of response from the democrat party. I love when they show their true colors.

25 accusers, "grab them by the pussy", etc. go on...

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
25 accusers, "grab them by the pussy", etc. go on...

LOL! But Truuuump!

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
faux-outrage topic will be forgotten by monday. so sorry

They'd have legit grounds to complain here if they hadn't spent 3+ years defending (usually via deflection or dismissal) Trump's racist comments. eg When Trump claimed that any Jews who do not vote for him are "disloyal".

As it stands, they just look like whiny hypocritical diaperbabies.

Originally posted by Surtur
Indeed it was. And his "I do this to white media and black media!" comment. Pure gold.

And the response/lack of response speaks volumes.


Next interview Biden will flip out his velcro wallet to show he's a card-carrying rainbow loving democrat cuz you ain't gay if you ain't a voting democrat

He'll hide his smug eyes behind his Top Gun Aviator glasses as well

Originally posted by Robtard
They'd have legit grounds to complain here if they hadn't spent 3+ years defending (usually via deflection or dismissal) Trump's racist comments. eg When Trump claimed that any Jews who do not vote for him are "disloyal".

As it stands, they just look like whiny hypocritical diaperbabies.

Doesn't work that way son. It never will

So electable.

I mean we've already seen the strategy. It seems to be one of three choices. You either say it's a nothing burger, you say he was joking, or you just deflect to Trump.

I'm impressed, it's not even just "Trump is racist toooo!" but we actually had someone desperate enough to bring up sexual assault allegations.

Originally posted by Surtur
LOL! But Truuuump!

reminding you of your extreme situational ethics, yet everyone is supposed to care about this faux-outrage or else it shows their "true colors". could you be any more of a transparent raging hypocrite?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
reminding you of your extreme situational ethics, yet everyone is supposed to care about this faux-outrage or else it shows their "true colors". could you be any more of a transparent raging hypocrite?

It's a deflection. Why is it okay for you to deflect, but not others?

So I guess all you white people have no problem with Biden saying something so racist and offensive to Blacks?

****! You assholes are really condescending pricks.

Alive

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Alive

That pain and fear adds more flavor.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's a deflection. Why is it okay for you to deflect, but not others?

you made the situational ethics accusation, which deflected from the topic. explain how it was okay when you did it

Originally posted by BackFire
That pain and fear adds more flavor. Is that a baby specific thing?

Because I remember a convo about luring prostitutes to murder and eat and it was important they were not scared at the time of death because the fear ruins the taste of the meat.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
you made the situational ethics accusation, which deflected from the topic. explain how it was okay when you did it

I see, special rules. Gotcha.

Originally posted by BackFire
So electable.

You being half black im sure helps you reach this conclusion

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
25 accusers, "grab them by the pussy", etc. go on...

Joe Biden has at least three plus a lot of young girl touching and none of it is going to drop you for voting from him.

You have no moral high ground on who you are voting for. It’s actually worse if you vote

You should just not vote. Then you could possibly have the high ground.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
25 accusers, "grab them by the pussy", etc. go on...

Despite the reason you're stating this, this is actually a good point taken in isolation.


I don't know how we can avoid electing either of the two. The only viable ticket I see is Bernie-Yang. Everyone else is garbage.

Originally posted by SquallX
So I guess all you white people have no problem with Biden saying something so racist and offensive to Blacks?

****! You assholes are really condescending pricks.

It must suck being used as a object in elections by Democrats where they say all the things they think they must say to win black votes (in very condescending "black-accents", too)...and then they completely forget about you when they are in office.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Joe Biden has at least three plus a lot of young girl touching and none of it is going to drop you for voting from him.

You have no moral high ground on who you are voting for. It’s actually worse if you vote

You should just not vote. Then you could possibly have the high ground.

Any of them could choose to vote for a third party.

Robtard voted for Jill Stein in 2016, iirc. He walks the talk.

voted for her in the primary or general or both?

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
voted for her in the primary or general or both?

No idea. But he said he voted for Jill when we talked about it. I voted for Gary. And I will vote 3rd party this fall, again.

Biden and Trump are both garbage as human beings. There is no one that has a realistic chance of winning that i wouldn't feel scummy voting for.


Part of me wishes we could get the Half of Onion in a Bag that Chris Evans tweeted about on the ballot so i could vote and at least not feel like i voted for a monster.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Despite the reason you're stating this, this is actually a good point taken in isolation.


I don't know how we can avoid electing either of the two. The only viable ticket I see is Bernie-Yang. Everyone else is garbage.

Perhaps, but when discussing the shit democrats do I don't see how what Trump does matters here. Joe Biden essentially said black people can't think for themselves. Whenever there is something they know they can't really defend they deflect to Trump. What will they do if Trump loses in 2020? Who will they then use as an excuse for their behavior? Cuz this insanity that has been unleashed cuz of Trump? I don't think it's a thing those with TDS will just be able to shut off once he's out of office.

And here is the thing about the claim of a joke: the problem is they truly believe this lol. Democrats think this way. Joe Biden shouldn't have said the quiet part out loud, but he didn't say anything most of them don't already feel. The soft racism of low expectations.

And it seems they do take black people for granted, my question is...are they right? I don't mean morally right, but if this group of people have shown that most of them will vote democrat no matter what...no matter how shitty their neighborhoods get, etc. then why should they put in any more effort than acting like they care every 4 years or so?

Originally posted by Surtur
Perhaps, but when discussing the shit democrats do I don't see how what Trump does matters here. Joe Biden essentially said black people can't think for themselves.

Be fair to Biden: that's a commonly held democratic belief. They need whitey-Dems to coddle them because the black people are so dumb and such savages that they need the Democrats condescending love and care to barely survive. Meanwhile, in reality, it's just a race to virtue signal who is the most woke while they ignore actual black issues. It's just packaging up racism in a nice, silk, SJW wrapper.



Originally posted by Surtur
And it seems they do take black people for granted, my question is...are they right? I don't mean morally right, but if this group of people have shown that most of them will vote democrat no matter what...no matter how shitty their neighborhoods get, etc. then why should they put in any more effort than acting like they care every 4 years or so?

Based on voting trends, yes, they can take black people for granted as black people show up at the boothes in overwhelming numbers to vote for racis...I mean Democratic candidates.

However, we have recent evidence that black voters are not so hip with the blind-Dem voting. I hope to see more of this from both Black voters and Latino voters. I'd like to see more than just GOP and Dems in office, however. Far more of not D or R.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Be fair to Biden: that's a commonly held democratic belief. They need whitey-Dems to coddle them because the black people are so dumb and such savages that they need the Democrats condescending love and care to barely survive. Meanwhile, in reality, it's just a race to virtue signal who is the most woke while they ignore actual black issues. It's just packaging up racism in a nice, silk, SJW wrapper.





Based on voting trends, yes, they can take black people for granted as black people show up at the boothes in overwhelming numbers to vote for racis...I mean Democratic candidates.

However, we have recent evidence that black voters are not so hip with the blind-Dem voting. I hope to see more of this from both Black voters and Latino voters. I'd like to see more than just GOP and Dems in office, however. Far more of not D or R.

Well yes I did say this too:

"And here is the thing about the claim of a joke: the problem is they truly believe this lol. Democrats think this way. Joe Biden shouldn't have said the quiet part out loud, but he didn't say anything most of them don't already feel. The soft racism of low expectations. "

So yeah it's not just Joe.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
You being half black im sure helps you reach this conclusion

I'm half black and it's all in the pants, baby.

https://i.imgur.com/BduVlsi.jpg

I think black voters voting for the Democratic party, even though there are definitely a lot of elements of it that look down on them and take them for granted is nonetheless based on a rational approach by these voters. Calculating that while the Democrats are not great, Republican policies are even more opposed to their interests. Republicans would of course disagree, but at the very least there is a strong argument to be made that that is the case, and it seems to be generally believed by these voters.

It mirrors the argument establishment Democrats are posing to Sanders voters and leftists "Vote for our candidate or be treated worse by the only other viable alternative". Of course this is contentious, and there's a lot of valid arguments surrounding these propositions, but I don't blame anyone who agrees and says "yes, I hate this, but I have to do it".

They don't have to do anything, it's a choice.

That opens an interesting discussion into how far "choices" are free.

Of course choices reside in a framework, an the way we use the word "have to", means that some sort of defined threshold of influence is reached that compels the person (in their mind) to choose one specific option. An informative example is perhaps a robber pointing a gun at you and saying "Give me your money, or I will shoot you". This leaves you with choices, for sure, but to many people it is apparent that at that point one choice is the one the "have to" choose. Many outside observers would then also say "they had to do it" even though technically they had a choice. It's a philosophical constant "you can always choose death" (barring some elaborate machinations that might prevent you from it). I could go more into it, it may make for an interesting discussion if you are interested to expand on it together.


I think it's irrelevant though, since what I was talking about is a feeling of having to do it, which then leads to choosing to do it, it was not a statement about whether they actually have to do it.

That feeling of having to do it is just an excuse they manufactured to justify their choice.

Originally posted by BackFire
I'm half black and it's all in the pants, baby.

Must be why Robards wife dreams of your future rendezvous

Originally posted by Silent Master
That feeling of having to do it is just an excuse they manufactured to justify their choice.

Interesting, why do you think they choose to vote for Democrats?

why wouldn't they switch their allegiance and vote for the guy who called white supremacists "very fine people", has told minorities in congress to "go back" where they came from, and called nations in africa "shithole countries".

after all, biden tried to be too cool with black people and overstepped good taste with clumsy comments and lying about being down with the naacp. that's exactly the same, really

Originally posted by Artol
Interesting, why do you think they choose to vote for Democrats?

At this point, Stockholm Syndrome.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
why wouldn't they switch their allegiance and vote for the guy who called white supremacists "very fine people", has told minorities in congress to "go back" where they came from, and called nations in africa "shithole countries".

after all, biden tried to be too cool with black people and overstepped good taste with clumsy comments and lying about being down with the naacp. that's exactly the same, really

One of these days you'll remember that I supported Bernie last time and Tulsi this time around. I have never supported Trump and never will

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
why wouldn't they switch their allegiance and vote for the guy who called white supremacists "very fine people"

Not even politifact agrees with you, here. They state that full context is needed to understand what he meant so they posted the whole transcript:



Not only did Trump NOT call the Neo Nazis "very fine people", he outright condemned them and made his position quite clear not once but twice.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

Originally posted by Silent Master
At this point, Stockholm Syndrome.

I see, do you think these Black voters should instead vote for Republicans, third party, or not vote at all?

Originally posted by Artol
I see, do you think these Black voters should instead vote for Republicans, third party, or not vote at all?

You didn't ask me but I want to answer as this is one of the most important issues for me:

Third party. Restoring the black family unit is the most essential component to undoing the decades of damage the Democratic Party has done to the black family.

Republicans are not the best suited party to helping heal the damage. The Democrats continue to cause the damage with their policies, PR campaigns to keep the voters hypnotized (but that is wearing off as the information age is removing the hold the Democratic Party had on the American People for decades), and the inaction.

What kind of policy do you think could help restore the (black) family unit?

Originally posted by Artol
I see, do you think these Black voters should instead vote for Republicans, third party, or not vote at all?

Third party would be the best idea.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Third party would be the best idea.

I suppose the main argument against this suggestion is the view that if black people were to do that they would lose even the little influence they have on real politics through the Democratic party, the idea being that this third party would almost never win any elections, and be more or less a non-factor in politics, nothing more than perhaps a lobbying interest group. Worse, even the policies that black people believe are beneficial to them in the Democratic platform may be abandoned if there are virtually no black people voting for Democrats, and the Democrats being required to vie for different voting groups. Leaving aside that we treat the black electorate as homogenous here.

Do you think this is a relevant issue? And if not, by what mechanism do you think black people's political power would be amplified if they voted for a third party instead, rather than becoming a non-factor?

They would win elections, if people started voting for them. Instead, people choose to vote against their own interests.

Oh, I see, you are suggesting that there should be a coalition in a third party that can then win elections, a coalition that includes black voters. The question I guess is then what politics could it be that get all these voters under one umbrella to be able to at least consistently win elections, or even displace one of the two parties.

The logistics I guess are very difficult, because whoever moves first runs the risk of completely being taken out of the political processes except as a footnote and perhaps a recognition as a "protest" vote (like Green or Libertarian voters are right now)

Do you think there is a third party right now that has a program that you think black people should flock to? And generally what policy platform should a party have as to be aligned with people's interests, as you said.

Right now, no. But that is because no one really cares about their issues, the Democrats sure as hell don't care about them and all the other parties know that they've been brainwashed into being loyal minions to the Democrats.

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Originally posted by Artol
I suppose the main argument against this suggestion is the view that if black people were to do that they would lose even the little influence they have on real politics through the Democratic party, the idea being that this third party would almost never win any elections, and be more or less a non-factor in politics, nothing more than perhaps a lobbying interest group. Worse, even the policies that black people believe are beneficial to them in the Democratic platform may be abandoned if there are virtually no black people voting for Democrats, and the Democrats being required to vie for different voting groups. Leaving aside that we treat the black electorate as homogenous here.

This is a lesson that Bernie-or-Bust voters need to learn.

You do not win policy concessions by withholding your vote from the Democratic candidate, you win them by becoming the most reliable Democratic voting block.

It is a simple calculus. If you withhold your vote and I lose, then I have no incentive to help you. If you withhold your vote and I win without you, then I do not need you, and have no incentive to help you. But if you help ensure that I win, then I will do whatever I can to help you. You do not get what you want by removing your influence, you get it by increasing it. Make yourself indispensible.

If politicians were honest and cared about people that might possibly work, but they're not and don't

Originally posted by dadudemon
Not even politifact agrees with you, here. They state that full context is needed to understand what he meant so they posted the whole transcript:



Not only did Trump NOT call the Neo Nazis "very fine people", he outright condemned them and made his position quite clear not once but twice.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/ Did he tell politicians of colour to go back?

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Joe Biden's campaign song exclusive.

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Biden should do with painted face, for authenticity.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Did he tell politicians of colour to go back?

yes, whirly. he did indeed

he also suggested that neo nazis were "very fine people". ddm's gaslighting did not make that fact disappear

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
yes, whirly. he did indeed

he also suggested that neo nazis were "very fine people". ddm's gaslighting did not make that fact disappear


I mean...it's right there in the article and you're clearly a liar.

https://i.imgur.com/ZQNxItU.png

"don't believe your lying ears. look at the gaslight"

wank harder, m8 durwank

Clearly that's how Biden really feels and that sliver came out because he couldn't hold it back. I'm sure he has way more worst things to say that didn't slip out

Originally posted by Artol
Interesting, why do you think they choose to vote for Democrats?

The black community is in an abusive relationship with the democrat party and they are kept in that relationship by being told by democrats "the other party is more abusive".

Originally posted by dadudemon
Not even politifact agrees with you, here. They state that full context is needed to understand what he meant so they posted the whole transcript:



Not only did Trump NOT call the Neo Nazis "very fine people", he outright condemned them and made his position quite clear not once but twice.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

They always bring up this lie, it's weird.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Did he tell politicians of colour to go back?

There is more to it. He told them to go back, fix their countries, then come back here and tell us how they did it. But it was played up in the media as if he was telling them to leave and never return.

Originally posted by Surtur
The black community is in an abusive relationship with the democrat party and they are kept in that relationship by being told by democrats "the other party is more abusive".

Bingo.

Originally posted by Emmy Evangeline
Clearly that's how Biden really feels and that sliver came out because he couldn't hold it back. I'm sure he has way more worst things to say that didn't slip out

cheerleader

I honestly wanna know what Joe Biden was done for the black community, can anyone tell me? He seems to have had a hand in its destruction when it comes to his views on segregation, the 1994 crime bill, etc.

Biden is a hardcore closet racist.

Originally posted by Artol
I suppose the main argument against this suggestion is the view that if black people were to do that they would lose even the little influence they have on real politics through the Democratic party, the idea being that this third party would almost never win any elections, and be more or less a non-factor in politics, nothing more than perhaps a lobbying interest group. Worse, even the policies that black people believe are beneficial to them in the Democratic platform may be abandoned if there are virtually no black people voting for Democrats, and the Democrats being required to vie for different voting groups. Leaving aside that we treat the black electorate as homogenous here.

Do you think this is a relevant issue? And if not, by what mechanism do you think black people's political power would be amplified if they voted for a third party instead, rather than becoming a non-factor?

Well the thing is when it comes to minorities dems seem more focused on helping out latinos than they do black people these days. Just how it seems to me at least.

If you're in a relationship and you're taken for granted and you know you are taken for granted and you still stay then...I gotta ask, do you have the right to complain when nothing changes?

So if I live somewhere controlled by democrats for decades and my neighborhood is a shit hole and I just keep on voting democrat then...do I have the right to whine? I mean okay I have the right in the sense I have freedom of speech, but does such a person look silly whining?

Originally posted by Surtur
Well the thing is when it comes to minorities dems seem more focused on helping out latinos than they do black people these days. Just how it seems to me at least.

That's because the black population has stagnated or is shrinking whereas the Latino population is growing: all as a ratio. So the Latino voting block is the most delicious and succulent group to exploi...I mean serve if you are a major political party.

Originally posted by Surtur
So if I live somewhere controlled by democrats for decades and my neighborhood is a shit hole and I just keep on voting democrat then...do I have the right to whine? I mean okay I have the right in the sense I have freedom of speech, but does such a person look silly whining?

No, it's at least partially your fault if you did not do something to make your community a better place. Your city, your town, you have the power as a citizen to make a direct difference. It's not that hard to get involved in politics at the community level and get elected to city council.

Originally posted by Emmy Evangeline
Clearly that's how Biden really feels and that sliver came out because he couldn't hold it back. I'm sure he has way more worst things to say that didn't slip out

When his opponent says racist things all the time, no one gives a ****.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's because the black population has stagnated or is shrinking whereas the Latino population is growing: all as a ratio. So the Latino voting block is the most delicious and succulent group to exploi...I mean serve if you are a major political party.



No, it's at least partially your fault if you did not do something to make your community a better place. Your city, your town, you have the power as a citizen to make a direct difference. It's not that hard to get involved in politics at the community level and get elected to city council.

Yup and I still wanna know what Biden has done for the black community other than make things worse.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
When his opponent says racist things all the time, no one gives a ****.

As long as you guys stop giving a shit(or pretending to give a shit) whenever you feel Trump is being racist.

so you couldn't back up your claim and the colossal hypocrite is actually trump.

thank you for providing the evidence, my son

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
When his opponent says racist things all the time, no one gives a ****.

That makes them retarded.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
so you couldn't back up your claim and the colossal hypocrite is actually trump.

thank you for providing the evidence, my son

Lol, what claim son?

Originally posted by Silent Master
That makes them retarded.

It makes them hypocrites too. It proves they don't actually care about racism they care about virtue signaling.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That makes them retarded.

No, it makes people who care about the splinter in Biden's eye while ignoring the plank in Trump's retarded. Hence, why no one gives a ****.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, it makes people who care about the splinter in Biden's eye while ignoring the plank in Trump's retarded. Hence, why no one gives a ****.

No, I was right the first time.

They don't give a shit cuz they don't actually care about racism.

Just like they don't actually care about sexual assault either. Take Karine Jean Pierre who is a former Obama campaign staffer. 3 years ago she said that sexual misconduct allegations should disqualify candidates from running for office.

Hey guys, guess who just joined Biden's campaign as a senior adviser last week? Go on, guess

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, it makes people who care about the splinter in Biden's eye while ignoring the plank in Trump's retarded. Hence, why no one gives a ****.

I think you're mostly correct, here.


It's also why I enjoy this amazing moral high-ground I'm on.

It's quite glorious and comfy. You should join me up, here.

Throw Biden, the Democratic Party, the GOP, and Trump away. Then join us on this moral high ground. It's awesome.

Originally posted by Surtur
Hey guys, guess who just joined Biden's campaign as a senior adviser last week? Go on, guess

I know the joke but I want to ruin it:


Michelle Obama?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I know the joke but I want to ruin it:


Michelle Obama?

Nah not Michelle I think Joe wants to add more women to his campaign.

It was Karine Jean Pierre

Originally posted by Surtur
They don't give a shit cuz they don't actually care about racism.

Just like they don't actually care about sexual assault either. Take Karine Jean Pierre who is a former Obama campaign staffer. 3 years ago she said that sexual misconduct allegations should disqualify candidates from running for office.

Hey guys, guess who just joined Biden's campaign as a senior adviser last week? Go on, guess

Jesus?

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, I was right the first time.

You have never been right.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You have never been right.

You sure seem to feel you're right a lot, so then maybe you can tell me what Joe Biden has done for the black community?

Seriously wondering. And bonus points if you do it without taking a shot at Trump or Republicans.

Originally posted by Surtur
Nah not Michelle I think Joe wants to add more women to his campaign.

It was Karine Jean Pierre

Yes, yes, I know. But I wanted to bring M.Obama into the convo.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I think you're mostly correct, here.


It's also why I enjoy this amazing moral high-ground I'm on.

It's quite glorious and comfy. You should join me up, here.

Throw Biden, the Democratic Party, the GOP, and Trump away. Then join us on this moral high ground. It's awesome.

Yep, voting for the "lesser of two evils" is still voting for evil.

Originally posted by Surtur
You sure seem to feel you're right a lot, so then maybe you can tell me what Joe Biden has done for the black community?

Seriously wondering. And bonus points if you do it without taking a shot at Trump or Republicans.

Why do you care? You are not black, and you do not have any regard for the rights or well-being of black people, so what would that knoweldge illuminate for you, other than being a weak troll-baiting attempt?

he likes gangsta rap, so that must count for something

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Why do you care? You are not black, and you do not have any regard for the rights or well-being of black people, so what would that knoweldge illuminate for you, other than being a weak troll-baiting attempt?

I'm curious what he's done for them that would make them vote for him, but I guess the answer is "nothing, this is just about Trump".

Or maybe the fact he was Obama's VP plays some role too, who knows.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yep, voting for the "lesser of two evils" is still voting for evil.

This is the dumbest argument. You are being presented with a binary choice. You can abstain or protest, but in the end, you are going to be forced to live with one of these two options. So you are going to choose the one that is preferable to other. It is not hard. It is so easy, even children understand it.

If the choice is between eating shit or poison, shit will make you sick, but poison will kill you. You can say you choose neither, or some imaginary third option, but in the end, you are going to be force-fed one or the other. Choose wisely.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm curious what he's done for them that would make them vote for him, but I guess the answer is "nothing, this is just about Trump".

Or maybe the fact he was Obama's VP plays some role too, who knows.

Get to know some of his black supporters and ask them. Go to his campaign website. Or try Google.

Make whatever excuse you have to in order to live with supporting "evil".

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This is the dumbest argument. You are being presented with a binary choice. You can abstain or protest, but in the end, you are going to be forced to live with one of these two options. So you are going to choose the one that is preferable to other. It is not hard. It is so easy, even children understand it.

If the choice is between eating shit or poison, shit will make you sick, but poison will kill you. You can say you choose neither, or some imaginary third option, but in the end, you are going to be force-fed one or the other. Choose wisely.

Given what a lot on the left are doing a more accurate example would be they are choosing the shit over the poison while refusing to even acknowledge they are eating shit.

Some have owned they are voting for a racist sexual predator. Most have made excuses.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Make whatever excuse you have to in order to live with supporting "evil".

So voters are not going to decide in November which of two candidates you will be forced to live under for the next four years?

Originally posted by Surtur
Given what a lot on the left are doing a more accurate example would be they are choosing the shit over the poison while refusing to even acknowledge they are eating shit.

Some have owned they are voting for a racist sexual predator. Most have made excuses.

So this means the right has acknowledged they are eating poison?

Being mindless sheep is the reason there are only two choices, so go ahead and make all the excuses you want to justify being a mindless sheep.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
So this means the right has acknowledged they are eating poison?

Nah but in your scenario Biden was the shit and Trump the poison.

So going by that, what most are doing is shoveling the shit in their mouths and giving us this shit eating grin and pretending like their breath doesn't smell like shit.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Being mindless sheep is the reason there are only two choices, so go ahead and make all the excuses you want to justify being a mindless sheep.

I would characterize mindless as voting third-party in a two-party system. Casting a protest vote out of ideological purity might make you feel good, but it does nothing to advance any of the policies you purport to care about. But do not let pragmatism get in the way of your feelz.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yep, voting for the "lesser of two evils" is still voting for evil.

And it makes you culpable and complicit in any shitty policies and decisions - you* voted for it, right?

*Ambiguous "you", not Silent Master "you."

Originally posted by Surtur
Nah but in your scenario Biden was the shit and Trump the poison.

So going by that, what most are doing is shoveling the shit in their mouths and giving us this shit eating grin and pretending like their breath doesn't smell like shit.

That would make Trump voters the People's Temple cult lining up to drink cyanide-laced Kool-Aid. Drink that poison in November to own the libz! #MAGA

Because you are only interested in winning in the short term, you're blind to the big picture.

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Originally posted by Silent Master
Because you are only interested in winning in the short, you're blind to the big picture.

He's too young to not care about 40-70 years from now. Most of us will still be alive. So it's important to fix the crap that's happening, now.

That's why people need to stop voting for Democrats unless they have a proven track record of being good and genuine (which is almost none of them).

Originally posted by Silent Master
Because you are only interested in winning in the short, you're blind to the big picture.

Those things are not mutually exclusive. Everyone must live in the near-term. They have to secure the present before they can worry about the future. So you work toward advancing policies within the existing system now, while working toward systemic change in the future. The all-or-nothing now mindset of protest voters is why they have nothing and will continue to have nothing.

If you keep voting for "evil" then the party has no reason to change.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you keep voting for "evil" then the party has no reason to change.

The party is just people. If you become a reliable voting block, you can influence the direction of the party. You steer the ship from the inside, not by jumping overboard.

If you become a mindless sheep, the party has no incentive to change.

The black community has been a reliable democrat vote for a long time and look where it's gotten them.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The party is just people. If you become a reliable voting block, you can influence the direction of the party. You steer the ship from the inside, not by jumping overboard.


That didn't work for Hollywood. Obama went against them and opposed draconian internet policies that they wanted.

That only works if there's any chance of losing the vote.


If someone is guaranteed, why put in the effort to convince them over a swing vote?

I'll step back from Biden and ask what the dems have done for blacks?

Oh and I will indeed allow someone to bring up the civil rights act. Cuz if you gotta reach back decades to find an example I want that displayed for all to see.

What ways have the dems improved black communities?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The party is just people. If you become a reliable voting block, you can influence the direction of the party. You steer the ship from the inside, not by jumping overboard.

or you could deliberately steer the ship into an iceberg like republicans did for trump

We go through the same BS every 4 years and have the same scandals and arguments we are not given the option ever to be under who we really want because the perfect candidate doesn't exist

Nobody is asking for a perfect candidate , just one that doesn't require voting for the lesser of two evils.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Nobody is asking for a perfect candidate , just one that doesn't require voting for the lesser of two evils. sadly, that's life most of the time.

Originally posted by Emmy Evangeline
We go through the same BS every 4 years and have the same scandals and arguments we are not given the option ever to be under who we really want because the perfect candidate doesn't exist Not true, Trump has taken scandals and incompetence to a whole 'mother level.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you become a mindless sheep, the party has no incentive to change.

If you are outside the party, the party has no incentive to change for you. Funny how that works.

Originally posted by Surtur
The black community has been a reliable democrat vote for a long time and look where it's gotten them.

Yeah, the got the candidate of their choice as the presumptive nominee of the party.

Originally posted by cdtm
That didn't work for Hollywood. Obama went against them and opposed draconian internet policies that they wanted.

That only works if there's any chance of losing the vote.


If someone is guaranteed, why put in the effort to convince them over a swing vote?

There are no true swing voters, only people who claim no party affiliation, but reliably vote conservative or progressive every time.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'll step back from Biden and ask what the dems have done for blacks?

Oh and I will indeed allow someone to bring up the civil rights act. Cuz if you gotta reach back decades to find an example I want that displayed for all to see.

What ways have the dems improved black communities?

How is this any different than your question about Biden? You just shifted the question from the candidate to the party. Ask the same question, do not expect a different answer.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Nobody is asking for a perfect candidate , just one that doesn't require voting for the lesser of two evils.

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If you are outside the party, the party has no incentive to change for you. Funny how that works.

Unless, of course, that party is faced with the current reality that they are losing voters to their opposition like the Democrats are facing, now.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If you are outside the party, the party has no incentive to change for you. Funny how that works.

If you're a mindless drone, the party has no incentive to change.

You sound like a battered spouse " if I just keep blindly supporting them, maybe they'll stop beating me"

Trump

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you're a mindless drone, the party has no incentive to change.

You sound like a battered spouse " if I just keep blindly supporting them, maybe they'll stop beating me"

Cool story. How is voting third party working out for you? What has any third party you have voted for accomplished for you? What policy concessions has voting third party gotten you from either of the major parties?

What has voting for the lesser of two evils gotten you?

Originally posted by Silent Master
What has voting for the lesser of two evils gotten you?

Plenty. I will be happy to answer your question in more detail as soon as you answer mine.

I didn't vote 3rd party, I was a Bernie supporter.

Now, answer mine.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I didn't vote 3rd party, I was a Bernie supporter.

Now, answer mine.

That's a bit of a cop out. Bernie didn't run in the general election and he didn't run for the house in the midterms either. So the question how you voted, and whether you are happy with the vote and feel the party or person you chose is representing you well, or if they lost, whether you are still happy with your vote is more relevant.

I don't know how you felt about Clinton, but perhaps that is a good example that mirrors what we are talking about for black voters who are left behind by the Democratic Party. If you are willing to share, did you vote for Clinton or Trump? Or perhaps voted third party, did a write in or chose not to vote in that election? And do you feel like your choice has worked out for your interests?