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Your response is so off base and NOT on point. I'm at work right now, and I have a 10:30 to finish prepping for but I will retort later today when I have time to do so properly.

Originally posted by SquallX
The day young black men start taking responsibility for themselves, and stop blaming racist for everything wrong in their lives, they will rule any fields they put their minds and efforts into.

Damn good quote and I'm stealing it.


Never underestimate the momentum and power of a young black man who makes success his raison d'etre: an unstoppable force.

My wife read you post Squall and sent it to her family in Wisconsin. They stated they all have experiences of racism and wondered why a black man might dismiss the concept of external racism. They asked if we had any evidence you were black. I replied I had never seen a picture of you but on forums you try and take people at face value. They said you had faceless value...

George Floyd just didn't take responsibility for himself while being murdered, must be it.

Originally posted by Robtard
George Floyd just didn't take responsibility for himself while being murdered, must be it. That would seem the case, wouldn't it?

Originally posted by Robtard
George Floyd just didn't take responsibility for himself while being murdered, must be it. The logic is so absurd you wonder about his education.

Originally posted by Robtard
George Floyd just didn't take responsibility for himself while being murdered, must be it.

I agree. Probably shouldn't have lead a multi-decade life of crime including violent crime.


We shouldn't blame the victim. Not all people killed by police are violent criminals.


Such as Breonna Taylor.

Your snide aside, his past crimes do not give the police the right to be judge, jury and executioner. Their job was to arrest and process him to the courts.

But you just did...



In regards to Taylor, at least some legal good seems to be coming out of her murder.

He did indeed blame the victim.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
My wife read you post Squall and sent it to her family in Wisconsin. They stated they all have experiences of racism and wondered why a black man might dismiss the concept of external racism. They asked if we had any evidence you were black. I replied I had never seen a picture of you but on forums you try and take people at face value. They said you had faceless value...

^This didn't happen

Originally posted by Robtard
Your snide aside, his past crimes do not give the police the right to be judge, jury and executioner. Their job was to arrest and process him to the courts.

But you just did...



In regards to Taylor, at least some legal good seems to be coming out of her murder.

His past crimes *do* make it so he should not be praised as a hero or martyr though

Originally posted by Surtur
^This didn't happen How do you know?

Originally posted by Surtur
His past crimes *do* make it so he should not be praised as a hero or martyr though He was murdered by police while unarmed, it's about the overall message, hopefully this finally leads to positive police reform.

But you be you

Originally posted by Robtard
He was murdered by police while unarmed, it's about the overall message, hopefully this finally leads to positive police reform.

But you be you

And nothing you said changes the fact he should not be treated as a hero or martyr. Good talk

Originally posted by Robtard
He was murdered by police while unarmed, it's about the overall message, hopefully this finally leads to positive police reform.

But you be you

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!


^This is cheerleading

Originally posted by Robtard
Your snide aside, his past crimes do not give the police the right to be judge, jury and executioner. Their job was to arrest and process him to the courts.

But you just did...

You didn't read my post. A violent, multi-decade, career criminal, with fentanyl and meth in his blood, was unjustly killed by police when being arrested for committing a crime.

Had he not be high and trying to use counterfeit money, he may not have died that day but he would have died soon with those kinds of health problems and drug use. His choices led to a terrible outcome. Multiple decades of terrible choices.

When you commit a crime and get caught, your chances of death skyrocket. When you do meth, your chances of death skyrocket. When you do fentanyl, your chances of death skyrocket.

George Floyd was shitty human being making terrible choices. He's the wrong person to prop-up.




In regards to Breonna Taylor, none of these things apply to her. And her boyfriend had every right to defend himself and his GF from the tyrannical police.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
He did indeed blame the victim.

George Floyd and the police are at fault for George Floyd's death.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You didn't read my post. A violent, multi-decade, career criminal, with fentanyl and meth in his blood, was unjustly killed by police when being arrested for committing a crime.

Had he not be high and trying to use counterfeit money, he may not have died that day but he would have died soon with those kinds of health problems and drug use. His choices led to a terrible outcome. Multiple decades of terrible choices.

When you commit a crime and get caught, your chances of death skyrocket. When you do meth, your chances of death skyrocket. When you do fentanyl, your chances of death skyrocket.

George Floyd was shitty human being making terrible choices. He's the wrong person to prop-up.




In regards to Breonna Taylor, none of these things apply to her. And her boyfriend had every right to defend himself and his GF from the tyrannical police.

Oof these facts are going to impact some fee fee's.

Originally posted by dadudemon
George Floyd and the police are at fault for George Floyd's death. Nah, reasonable force was not applied.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You didn't read my post. A violent, multi-decade, career criminal, with fentanyl and meth in his blood, was unjustly killed by police when being arrested for committing a crime.

Had he not be high and trying to use counterfeit money, he may not have died that day but he would have died soon with those kinds of health problems and drug use. His choices led to a terrible outcome. Multiple decades of terrible choices.

When you commit a crime and get caught, your chances of death skyrocket. When you do meth, your chances of death skyrocket. When you do fentanyl, your chances of death skyrocket.

George Floyd was shitty human being making terrible choices. He's the wrong person to prop-up.




In regards to Breonna Taylor, none of these things apply to her. And her boyfriend had every right to defend himself and his GF from the tyrannical police.

That's nice. If the police did their job in processing him correctly (ie not crushing his neck), he wouldn't have been murdered.

Edit Whirly beat me to it: Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Nah, reasonable force was not applied.

Originally posted by Surtur
Oof these facts are going to impact some fee fee's. Originally posted by Surtur
^This is cheerleading

Originally posted by Robtard
That's nice. If the police did their job in processing him correctly (ie not crushing his neck), he wouldn't have been murdered.

Edit Whirly beat me to it: Bingo!

Originally posted by Robtard


I'm so sorry you can't be consistent.

One day you'll get there

Originally posted by Robtard
That's nice. If the police did their job in processing him correctly (ie not crushing his neck), he wouldn't have been murdered.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Had he not be high and trying to use counterfeit money, he may not have died that day but he would have died soon with those kinds of health problems and drug use. His choices led to a terrible outcome. Multiple decades of terrible choices.

When you commit a crime and get caught, your chances of death skyrocket. When you do meth, your chances of death skyrocket. When you do fentanyl, your chances of death skyrocket.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
My wife read you post Squall and sent it to her family in Wisconsin. They stated they all have experiences of racism and wondered why a black man might dismiss the concept of external racism. They asked if we had any evidence you were black. I replied I had never seen a picture of you but on forums you try and take people at face value. They said you had faceless value...

His parents are Haitian immigrants, and he is a first generation American, so that may be a factor as well. Black people who are perceived as "foreign" are often treated differently than those who are perceived as "native" or natural citizens.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
His parents are Haitian immigrants, and he is a first generation American, so that may be a factor as well. Black people who are perceived as "foreign" are often treated differently than those who are perceived as "native" or natural citizens. I don't disagree, is the only explanation to use individual heritage and experiences of racism to gaslight the very real racism faced by black people and communities across US and World.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm so sorry you can't be consistent.

One day you'll get there Irony.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, there was definitely a time when it was needed. These days it is more your class that nets you privilege and not your race. Class is always a factor, as is culture, but so is race. It is a combination and each person lives a different life. You can't work, not because you are lazy or stupid but because of circumstance. Many things conspire against people and weigh heavy alone or in combination. If you are poorly educated and white, you still are less likely to be killed if you have an interaction with the Police than a black man of the same socioeconomic demographic.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Class is always a factor, as is culture, but so is race. It is a combination and each person lives a different life. You can't work, not because you are lazy or stupid but because of circumstance. Many things conspire against people and weigh heavy alone or in combination. If you are poorly educated and white, you still are less likely to be killed if you have an interaction with the Police than a black man of the same socioeconomic demographic.

If you're poorly educated and white you're also less likely to commit violent crime and murder than a black man.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Whilst you have your opinion and it is yours, my wife says structural inequality, discrimination and racism is a problem in the US and she has experienced it there first hand. This comes from a woman who has a masters degree so is far from stupid or lazy.

This is a hard story to buy and I have lived in the USA my entire life now in the middle of the bible belt, I certainly can't explain what she fills but the story you built around your wife is one that is african, literally from africa so it makes a dodgey story.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/16/gypsy-travellers-discrimination-stigma-poster-campaign

Originally posted by snowdragon
This is a hard story to buy and I have lived in the USA my entire life now in the middle of the bible belt, I certainly can't explain what she fills but the story you built around your wife is one that is african, literally from africa so it makes a dodgey story. ahh but she visits family in Wisconsin and Houston Texas regularly and has her whole life. She spent almost 4 months there recently.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Class is always a factor, as is culture, but so is race. It is a combination and each person lives a different life. You can't work, not because you are lazy or stupid but because of circumstance. Many things conspire against people and weigh heavy alone or in combination. If you are poorly educated and white, you still are less likely to be killed if you have an interaction with the Police than a black man of the same socioeconomic demographic.

It's almost like there's a privilege of sorts in play?

Originally posted by Robtard
It's almost like there's a privilege of sorts in play? It is

Originally posted by Robtard
It's almost like there's a privilege of sorts in play?

Yeah, a class privilege. Glad you recognized it too

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
ahh but she visits family in Wisconsin and Houston Texas regularly and has her whole life. She spent almost 4 months there recently.

So explain the racism, it's always a battle asking for data to show racism........but I saw it so its systemic............

Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah, a class privilege. Glad you recognized it too

You didn't comprehend what Whirl's said then. That's your failing.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah, a class privilege. Glad you recognized it too it is simplistic to take a single factor as the end of an equation, it is also simplistic to take a majority factor out of a sum and expect the correct result.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Class is always a factor, as is culture, but so is race. It is a combination and each person lives a different life. You can't work, not because you are lazy or stupid but because of circumstance. Many things conspire against people and weigh heavy alone or in combination. If you are poorly educated and white, you still are less likely to be killed if you have an interaction with the Police than a black man of the same socioeconomic demographic.

Yup. This is correct.

Despite me being born into very poor circumstances, doing extremely well in school through all levels, and working hard and smart for years, my circumstances have kept me down.

If I was born into a wealthy family that had the money to invest in a start-up software company, I would be a billionaire, obviously. But because of my white dis-privilege, and low-class birth, I have to settle for upper-middle class until I have enough capital to start my own software company in my mid 40s where I may be far too late to the market to actually make anything but paltry earnings because I'm 2 decades too late.

Originally posted by snowdragon
So explain the racism, it's always a battle asking for data to show racism........but I saw it so its systemic............ she had as a girl a number of incidents in both Wisconsin and Houston where she suffered unpleasant verbal abuse in predominantly wealthy white suburbs. Just one example.

To SquallX.....I know it's been all day, but here's my quick retort to your original response to this thread. I thank you for your patience...

The problem with your response is:

1) It doesn't address the subject I'm addressing.

2) It seems you only read the quote I posted with this, which was to emphasize how even one of the most conservative politicians in the US recognizes how police interaction is very biased. But you failed to click any of the links provided.

3) To suggest that being chocked to death is an unavoidable consequence of a person using a fake 20 dollar bill suggest you are demented.

4) To paint a broad picture of black men as being irresponsible shows you to be small minded and self loathing (if you are black) and lack any sense of empathy.

The subject I'm looking to address is simply are "whiners" starting to win or are real issues being addressed and corrected...Not talking about any one persons personal experience.

If you believe that there's no such thing as "systemic injustice" then I can understand why you responded the way you did otherwise I think you simply wanted to derail the conversation.

Originally posted by snowdragon
So explain the racism, it's always a battle asking for data to show racism........but I saw it so its systemic............

Or penal system and sentencing is both racist (and sexist). Black men are more likely to get a harsher sentence for the same/similar crime as opposed to a White man. Hispanics tend to fall somewhere in the middle, iirc.

Wealth does factor in too, but it's still slanted.

Just as males are compared to females.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
it is simplistic to take a single factor as the end of an equation, it is also simplistic to take a majority factor out of a sum and expect the correct result.

Neat, we can consider multiple factors, but the biggest factor is not race

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
she had as a girl a number of incidents in both Wisconsin and Houston where she suffered unpleasant verbal abuse in predominantly wealthy white suburbs. Just one example.

WTF dude, all ancedotal and not systemic.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yup. This is correct.

Despite me being born into very poor circumstances, doing extremely well in school through all levels, and working hard and smart for years, my circumstances have kept me down.

If I was born into a wealthy family that had the money to invest in a start-up software company, I would be a billionaire, obviously. But because of my white dis-privilege, and low-class birth, I have to settle for upper-middle class until I have enough capital to start my own software company in my mid 40s where I may be far too late to the market to actually make anything but paltry earnings because I'm 2 decades too late. My dad chose to send me to the local comprehensive schools, he could have afforded to send me to a good Private school like he attended. At Primary school very few white students were in my class. Despite the school demographic when I got home I had two educated parents to help me with my homework. I've always been a big friendly guy and I have older big friendly cousins who also had an aggressive streak so I was never bullied. Factors the positive outweighed the negative.

Originally posted by Robtard
Or penal system and sentencing is both racist (and sexist). Black men are more likely to get a harsher sentence for the same/similar crime as opposed to a White man. Hispanics tend to fall somewhere in the middle, iirc.

Just as males are compared to females.

Far enough, kill the war on drugs then lets look at the numbers.

Originally posted by snowdragon
WTF dude, all ancedotal and not systemic. anecdotal is all I have, it is her experience not mine.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Far enough, kill the war on drugs then lets look at the numbers.

While I agree and it would likely help some, it wouldn't get ride of the institutional racism.

Originally posted by Robtard
Or penal system and sentencing is both racist (and sexist). Black men are more likely to get a harsher sentence for the same/similar crime as opposed to a White man. Hispanics tend to fall somewhere in the middle, iirc.

Wealth does factor in too, but it's still slanted.

Just as males are compared to females. exactly a black guy's word against a white woman...

I agree our penal system needs improvement. For example men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do for the same crime. It's wrong.

Originally posted by Robtard
While I agree and it would likely help some, it wouldn't get ride of the institutional racism.

Probably because racism is individual. Again show some numbers, I mean just facts not your feefee's.

Originally posted by Surtur
I agree our penal system needs improvement. For example men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do for the same crime. It's wrong.


Funny how you'll openly acknowledge the gender disparity in sentencing(and there is one as I noted last page), but you won't with the racial disparity. It's almost like you're a bigot with an MRA agenda?

Originally posted by snowdragon
Probably because racism is individual. Again show some numbers, I mean just facts not your feefee's. this debate is now in the realm of concepts mate. What numbers are you looking for?

Originally posted by Robtard
Funny how you'll openly acknowledge the gender disparity in sentencing(and there is one as I noted last page), but you won't with the racial disparity. It's almost like you're a bigot with an MRA agenda?

^I'm gonna allow someone unintelligent to come agree

Can't wait to see the inferior soul who goes first.

https://media.giphy.com/media/DM9n9fNry8tq0/giphy.gif

Originally posted by snowdragon
Probably because racism is individual. Again show some numbers, I mean just facts not your feefee's.

Decent read with a bunch of graphs showing the differences in race vs sentening in regards to same and similar crimes.

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2413&context=articles

Originally posted by Robtard
Funny how you'll openly acknowledge the gender disparity in sentencing(and there is one as I noted last page), but you won't with the racial disparity. It's almost like you're a bigot with an MRA agenda?

We (not you and I, the GDF) had this argument on KMC, before. I guess I could find some data.

Originally posted by Surtur
^I'm gonna allow someone unintelligent to come agree

Can't wait to see the inferior soul who goes first.

https://media.giphy.com/media/DM9nvvv9fNry8tq0/giphy.gif

It's literally what you just did with your comment and I was just asking the question that needed to be asked.

Originally posted by Surtur
I agree our penal system needs improvement. For example men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do for the same crime. It's wrong. Yeah they do, we all have stories of guys we know getting shafted in a divorce or custody case. I got off relatively lightly both times in comparison.That said trust me if you or I were accused of something we would have a better chance in a jury trial in the UK or US than a black guy regardless of similar histories.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's literally what you just did with your comment and I was just asking the question that needed to be asked.

It's not, but like I said I'm allowing an e-gang member to come agree with you.

Again not the conversation I'm looking to have, nonetheless would you not agree the these two practices are in fact systemic injustice?

1. Redlining

2. GI bill not given to black veterans

I'd hate to have to explain how just these two practices has had great adverse effects to the black community.

And as someone sorta pointed out it was government programs which helped to devastate the black family. Again systemic-deliberate programs. Government assistance given to minorities required that the man/father/husband of the family be absent from the household. Families receiving assistance were not allowed to have a savings account. These coupled with many overt practices of denying qualified applicants employment has had generational impacts.

I could site how these things has impacted me personally as my father and two of his brothers along with my maternal uncles all served in the military and how to man they were denied the same benefits that their white counterparts received and were able to build generational wealth through simply owning a home in the early 50's and 60's.

I challenge you and anyone else to do a 2 hour study into the origin and early movement of the Black Panther Party

GI Bill not given to Black veterans, what are you talking about?

1.) america had a black president, let's not move the goal post here. Discrediting this discredits the civil rights movement, no one is claiming america is perfect, just that progress has been made.
2.) america was one of the first places in the world to legally make slavery illegal, as opposed to some African and middle eastern countries still practicing it.
3.) red lining is a problem, but so are f.b.i. crime statistics that show young black men's biggest threat when they step out of their door isnt cops it's other black men.
4.)if you control for racial outward appearance by comparing african americans to second generation people from the west indies i.e. jamaica, Barbados, etc. Youll find that on average they make 58% more than there african american counterparts.
5.) 1000 people a year are shot by police, the majority being white, while blacks are slightly disproportionately represented, however this is largely due to the fact blacks often live in urban areas, which are policed more, and have different behavior when driving and being pulled over.
6.) our country exploding in protest has always seemed like a farce when north korea exists. The average north korean is 3.8 inches shorter than his south korean counterpart due to malnutrition due to poor and corrupt centralized planning, they live in constant terror of actual repression from the government, which is simultaneously a cult of personality, meaning it dominates every waking second of every day.

It's simple....MANY black men who sought to purchase homes were denied these low interest loans, esp it they were looking to buy in any "new suburban areas"

BB you're the idiot for not simply doing a little research to verify a statement. I'm not Trump...I don't make statements which are veritably false and then expect/demand people to believe it.

Wait, you're talking shit from just after WWII. yeah, New York and New Jersey were racist as hell. they still are IMO.

SW61CeB3nLY

Talking about systemic injustice....the impact is generational. But it's you guys who insist on talking about this.
I was asking about the current trend of "apologist' happening now across the country and internationally. For reference please simply follow the links provided in the op

Who are "you guys"?

Anyone who is persistent in this nearly exhausted conversation of past injustice.

Originally posted by tru-marvell
Anyone who is persistent in this nearly exhausted conversation of past injustice. Originally posted by Silent Master
Who are "you guys"? The Voltron collective.

Originally posted by tru-marvell
Anyone who is persistent in this nearly exhausted conversation of past injustice.

Which is who?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Which is who? The KMC Alt-right hate machine.

https://youtu.be/5daNMXer2UQ

Thomas sowell, on why systemic racism is bullshit

https://youtu.be/zgUjCK2jMp0

Larry elder on why systemic racism is bullshit

https://youtu.be/ggk5JglQskU

A dialouge between glen lowry and john mcwhorter about race and policing

https://youtu.be/1sV5qU6e-YY

Coleman hughes on why systemic racism is bullshit.

https://youtu.be/UPiNiTwf5bM

John mcwhorter and coleman hughes talk about how white guilt anti racism is analogous to religious structuring.

I don know if it's my perception, but in the more stable and less racist 2021 world, a lot of posts in this thread seem on reflection race-baiting at best and racist or worse, perhaps not even at most unpleasant.

Thoughts?

mentally ill and deranged, as well.

poor voltron

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
mentally ill and deranged, as well.

poor voltron Certainly unpalatably odd imo.

Originally posted by cdtm
Tip of the iceberg.

Blacks still get priced out of apartment complexes. They still have trouble getting loans. They still suffer a two tier justice system.

Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and Louis Farrakhan all pointed this out. No one listened because of the "anti-semetic" charges.

Since Jews are factually overrepresented in many institutions and services that negatively impact blacks, and these black leaders were trying to shame the Jewish community into policing their own (Which never works. You can recognize systemic problems in many things, but never the Jewish community. Even if it's true.) Antisemitism isn't an answer for systemic racism. Your post is a bit of bait and a bit of red herring on the end of the hook, pal.

SJWs are winning unfortunately.

Anything that criticizes their "protected groups" is automatically labeled as sexist, racist etc.