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No shields, pure h2h.


Who wins?

Originally posted by cdtm
No shields, pure h2h.


Who wins?

Heart says 616.
Head says Ultimate.

Ultimate beats 616 for me (on the same way 616 beats Bruce for me). Equal in a pure-play h2h, but with one being just that much physically superior and over time that is enough.

Good fight. Undecided. Leaning towards 616

Ultimate Cap wins. More stronger and durable. If they have their shields, then it might help 616 Cap a bit.

If everything is close to even, I think it falls on the most ruthless of the 2.

Originally posted by spetznaz
Heart says 616.
Head says Ultimate.

Ultimate beats 616 for me (on the same way 616 beats Bruce for me). Equal in a pure-play h2h, but with one being just that much physically superior and over time that is enough.

This

616 has better feats, though.

In 616 Cap, the Super Soldier Serum enhanced him to Peak Olympic level.
In Ultimate Cap, the Super Soldier Serum enhanced to Superhuman level.

Ultimate Cap can lift at least 10 tons or more when stressed. He would eventually beat 616 Cap in brute strength.

Feats aren't that dependable given the fact that they are the same person and do roughly the same level feats.

US Agent can lift 15 tons.



That's why Cap has NEVER, EVER beaten him in a fight.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's why Cap has NEVER, EVER beaten him in a fight.

Are you really this retarded?

Wait. You're being sarcastic with this one. I see now

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
In 616 Cap, the Super Soldier Serum enhanced him to Peak Olympic level.
In Ultimate Cap, the Super Soldier Serum enhanced to Superhuman level.

Ultimate Cap can lift at least 10 tons or more when stressed. He would eventually beat 616 Cap in brute strength.

Feats aren't that dependable given the fact that they are the same person and do roughly the same level feats. 616 is a much better fighter and has beaten stronger people than Ult Cap. He wins.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
616 is a much better fighter and has beaten stronger people than Ult Cap. He wins.

616 does have better fighting feats but that doesn't necessarily give him the win. They are both without their shield so their only fighting option is to go up close and that's where strength excels at.

america's ass wins lol

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
616 does have better fighting feats but that doesn't necessarily give him the win. They are both without their shield so their only fighting option is to go up close and that's where strength excels at.

You're acting as if 616 Steve has never beaten the living shit out of physically stronger opponents.

That's... his whole thing, Wing. He relies on his insane skill and takes down powerful metas on a regular basis.

It's not a grappling/wrestling match or slugfest, he doesn't need to rely purely on his strength.

And FYI, 616 Cap has tons of strength feats.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're acting as if 616 Steve has never beaten the living shit out of physically stronger opponents.

That's... his whole thing, Wing. He relies on his insane skill and takes down powerful metas on a regular basis.

It's not a grappling/wrestling match or slugfest, he doesn't need to rely purely on his strength.

And FYI, 616 Cap has tons of strength feats.

Yes I agreed with 616 had better fighting feats. He can target pressure points and weak areas but I'm still convinced his strength and durability will give him the edge eventually.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Are you really this retarded?

Wait. You're being sarcastic with this one. I see now





Ultimate Cap being stronger means nothing. Assuming he is stronger.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Yes I agreed with 616 had better fighting feats. He can target pressure points and weak areas but I'm still convinced his strength and durability will give him the edge eventually.

You don't want to start a featwar with 616 Caps.

Going by feats, he is the strongest and toughest of the two.

And then there is his crazy speed.

Originally posted by cdtm



Ultimate Cap being stronger means nothing. Assuming he is stronger.

Exactly.

We can compare the strength, speed, durability and speed showings.

616 universe is more inconsistent than the Ultimate Universe --- since it's been running for 81 years --- but that's its only disadvantage here.

Didn't 616 Cap decapitate a tank with a shield throw?

Originally posted by Galan007
Didn't 616 Cap decapitate a tank with a shield throw?


He did.

There's also this:

https://imgur.com/a/k3s3B#0

So he has to not only catch up with the missiles, but the shield has enough force to then tear through it, AND still have enough momentum to come back to his arm.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There's also this:

https://imgur.com/a/k3s3B#0

So he has to not only catch up with the missiles, but the shield has enough force to then tear through it, AND still have enough momentum to come back to his arm.
That is some comic fu right there.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
616 has better feats, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
Didn't 616 Cap decapitate a tank with a shield throw?

Yes.

Originally, the scene was meant to be a part of Astonishing Captain America series in 2011 (as shown in the official issue preview). But the comic never got released:

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Astonishing_Captain_America_Vol_1

Marvel released it two years later than planned under a different title --- Captain America: Living Legend:

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_America:_Living_Legend_Vol_1_1

You and Rage attacked me back in the day 'cause you were both clueless about that little fact

I've been reading this. Same stipulation. No shield h2h match:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/616-captain-america-vs-ultimate-captain-america-no-755944/?page=1

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
I've been reading this. Same stipulation. No shield h2h match:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/616-captain-america-vs-ultimate-captain-america-no-755944/?page=1

Cap vs. Ultimate Cap threads aren't a new thing, yeah. There have been dozens of them.

Ultimate Cap's only real advantage is consistency, but same thing can be said about any character who has far less appearances that the other character.

616 Cap has been a part of the mainstream MU since 1941.

Yeah, consistency against characters who also are more often lesser versions feat-wise than their 616 counterparts.

I declare myself the winner of this thread.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There's also this:

https://imgur.com/a/k3s3B#0

So he has to not only catch up with the missiles, but the shield has enough force to then tear through it, AND still have enough momentum to come back to his arm.

Don't forget about the truck feat:

https://i.imgur.com/HvKGq4o.jpg

But the missile feat is better, as it's more of a pure strength feat.

When Cap's shield slices through tanks or trucks, it's only partially because of his strength --- the nature of the very shield itself being super-metal allows it to damage almost anything with ridiculous ease (comic book logic).

Example: Crossbones hits Cap's hand to let him go of the shield --- said shield gets embedded in the brick wall:

https://i.imgur.com/XWWxfZ9.jpg

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I declare myself the winner of this thread.

You just stated the obvious

Anyway, Wing is more than welcome to try to argue how Ultimate Cap is superior physically.

In a way, he's not wrong, as 616 Cap fluctuated a lot through different eras --- some writers wanted him to be a powerless peak human, some wrote him as a legit meta, some (Brubaker) managed to retcon the meaning of SSS peak human... and some were undecided.

While the Ultimate Cap was meant to be a legit meta from his first appearance to his last one.

It's a FACT that Ultimate Cap is stronger than 616.

Throws a Boulder like its candy...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5924980-cap%20feat%20strength%20%283%29.png

Lifts a slab of street that also had a car on it...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5924981-cap%20feat%20strength%20%284%29.png

Lifts a tree with ease that was big enough to stop a truck...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5924982-cap%20feat%20strength%20%285%29.jpg

Stalemates Spiderman in a strength lock...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/6049388-cap%20feat%20strength%20%289%29.jpg

Same Spidey did this...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/6049390-spidey%20feat%20strength%20%2810%29.jpg

Catch Valkyrie punch as if it is nothing...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5924988-cap%20feat%20strength%20%2811%29.jpg

Cap overpowers a group of enhanced beings...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5925149-cap%20vs%20abdul%20%2311%20%2813%29.png

Same beings tipped over the statue of liberty...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5925148-5.png

There's more but its no contest. The strength difference is HUGE. Durability as well and I think Ultimate Cap fights good enough to make these huge advantages mean something.

Oh geez, Carv.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There's also this:

https://imgur.com/a/k3s3B#0

So he has to not only catch up with the missiles, but the shield has enough force to then tear through it, AND still have enough momentum to come back to his arm.

That is one of the craziest strength feats for anyone not wearing a cape or holding a hammer. Absolutely insane, and clearly more than superhuman.

Amazing feat of aiming as well btw.

Bruce Wayne has a poster of Steve Rogers above his bed.

616 and he's not a kunt.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh geez, Carv.

Originally posted by spetznaz
That is one of the craziest strength feats for anyone not wearing a cape or holding a hammer. Absolutely insane, and clearly more than superhuman.

Amazing feat of aiming as well btw.

Bruce Wayne has a poster of Steve Rogers above his bed.

Meh, they all have their moments.

'Not even a cruise missile can get through that door':
https://i.postimg.cc/T3xWz5Cj/RCO017-1469157814.jpg

Well, and Batman:
https://i.postimg.cc/Y2JFxsFs/RCO019-1469157814.jpg

Using a Tomahawk (the first cruise missile that came to mind) gives a yield of 500kg of TNT.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Meh, they all have their moments.

'Not even a cruise missile can get through that door':
https://i.postimg.cc/T3xWz5Cj/RCO017-1469157814.jpg

Well, and Batman:
https://i.postimg.cc/Y2JFxsFs/RCO019-1469157814.jpg

Using a Tomahawk (the first cruise missile that came to mind) gives a yield of 500kg of TNT.



Black Wind? So a Batgirl comic.


I bet there was some chuckling in the office when he came up with that name.

Originally posted by cdtm
Black Wind? So a Batgirl comic.


I bet there was some chuckling in the office when he came up with that name.
Yup, Batgirl #44.

There's also the fear where he's poisoned and wounded, and still damages glass that a bazooka can't scratch, just with his kicks.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Meh, they all have their moments.

'Not even a cruise missile can get through that door':
https://i.postimg.cc/T3xWz5Cj/RCO017-1469157814.jpg

Well, and Batman:
https://i.postimg.cc/Y2JFxsFs/RCO019-1469157814.jpg

Using a Tomahawk (the first cruise missile that came to mind) gives a yield of 500kg of TNT. Wtf. Is there some context for this? Lol

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Wtf. Is there some context for this? Lol

It's a comic book.

Breaking the door is nothing. That evil scientist's durability, now that is something.

Looney Tunes moment, tbh.

Originally posted by carver9
It's a FACT that Ultimate Cap is stronger than 616.

Throws a Boulder like its candy...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5924980-cap%20feat%20strength%20%283%29.png

Lifts a slab of street that also had a car on it...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5924981-cap%20feat%20strength%20%284%29.png

Lifts a tree with ease that was big enough to stop a truck...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5924982-cap%20feat%20strength%20%285%29.jpg

Stalemates Spiderman in a strength lock...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/6049388-cap%20feat%20strength%20%289%29.jpg

Same Spidey did this...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/6049390-spidey%20feat%20strength%20%2810%29.jpg

Catch Valkyrie punch as if it is nothing...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5924988-cap%20feat%20strength%20%2811%29.jpg

Cap overpowers a group of enhanced beings...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5925149-cap%20vs%20abdul%20%2311%20%2813%29.png

Same beings tipped over the statue of liberty...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5925148-5.png

There's more but its no contest. The strength difference is HUGE. Durability as well and I think Ultimate Cap fights good enough to make these huge advantages mean something.

Which one of those feats exactly you can't see 616 Steve replicating?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Wtf. Is there some context for this? Lol

The context is that it is Batman.

Most likely a batkick.



Then again we never saw. Right saint? shifty

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Most likely a batkick.



Then again we never saw. Right saint? shifty

No we didn't.

All we know is that Batman is able to cause damage far beyond cruise missiles, with a projectile like Dr Death. Whether he pushed him, punched, kicked, or used a Batgadget- no idea. That's why I also mentioned the bazooka feat

Is Dr Death super-durable?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No we didn't.

All we know is that Batman is able to cause damage far beyond cruise missiles, with a projectile like Dr Death. Whether he pushed him, punched, kicked, or used a Batgadget- no idea. That's why I also mentioned the bazooka feat
Uh huh...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Is Dr Death super-durable?

Hey, like you and I said, it's comics. My original point was that Cap has these moments, and so does Batman.

I mean, I can rationalise it all if you so desire....easily.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Is Dr Death super-durable?



Batman was pulling his punches.


Just like he does on Superman.

Originally posted by cdtm
Batman was pulling his punches.


Just like he does on Superman.

When Bane, a peak human, takes Venom, he becomes superhuman.

When Batman takes Venom, he bloodied Kryptonians.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Anyway, Wing is more than welcome to try to argue how Ultimate Cap is superior physically.

In a way, he's not wrong, as 616 Cap fluctuated a lot through different eras --- some writers wanted him to be a powerless peak human, some wrote him as a legit meta, some (Brubaker) managed to retcon the meaning of SSS peak human... and some were undecided.

While the Ultimate Cap was meant to be a legit meta from his first appearance to his last one.

Okay let's compare show me one of 616 best strength and durabliity feats.

The speed and accuracy of 616's shield throwing feat is very impressive I gotta say. Yeah it does seemed like what superhuman class could do.

My consensus was based on their physical stats: Ultimate Cap > MCU Cap > 616 Cap. I could very well be wrong.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hey, like you and I said, it's comics. My original point was that Cap has these moments, and so does Batman.

I mean, I can rationalise it all if you so desire....easily.

No, no. I agree with you on that.

I'm just really asking.

Because I googled him and something was mentioned about superhuman physicals, but that might have been a different character or rebooted version.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, no. I agree with you on that.

I'm just really asking.

Because I googled him and something was mentioned about superhuman physicals, but that might have been a different character or rebooted version.
There are like five versions and I hate DC

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Okay let's compare show me one of 616 best strength and durabliity feats.

Will do later.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Okay let's compare show me one of 616 best strength and durabliity feats.

Pulls down a small battle chopper and makes it crash:

https://i.imgur.com/BDsaLvH.jpg

Lifts and carries a telephone pole:

https://i.imgur.com/eHFtnM1.jpg

Lifts a tree over his head and tosses it away:

https://tinyurl.com/ybzp964n

Carries an I-beam:

https://i.imgur.com/8J6RQQo.jpg

Breaks metal restraints:

https://i.imgur.com/GOt2zBj.jpg

Tears a riotbot's arm off:

https://i.imgur.com/295HUUt.jpg

Tackles a guy through a tree, breaking it in two:

https://i.imgur.com/wyYCRBk.jpg

Insane leg strength while underwater:

https://i.imgur.com/GpH0GXV.jpg

Dinosaur-men swarm all over Steve, he gets them off him:

https://i.imgur.com/0kvbIr5.jpg

He is disguised as Crossbones here; he military press lifts General Wo (big bastard) and throws him on the ropes:

https://i.imgur.com/ZUS9j7a.jpg

Pries open a Mandroid's helmet off (and these models were made out of omnium):

https://i.imgur.com/0b6ewsk.jpg

Not Using Shield:

*Strength*

(pulling Giant Pym down to the ground with his bare hands and some acrobatics)

https://imgur.com/a/DybP5

*height tolerance*

https://imgur.com/a/187Am

https://imgur.com/a/PLHT2

*Healing Factor*

(Stated: Genuine Superhuman)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5925022-cap%20feat%20healing%20factor%20%284%29.jpg

(Stated: Ribs cracked, nose broken, left arm dislocated will heal in day or two)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5925023-cap%20feat%20healing%20factor%20%283%29.jpg

*Tactical knowledge*

(Smart, learns faster, reliable)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/14/147508/5025131-cap%20feat%20genius%20%283%29.png

https://imgur.com/BCOvv7h

(testing Wolverine)

https://imgur.com/a/XMR2H

*Durability*

(Abomination punch Cap through wall)

https://imgur.com/hQo9N16

(Herr Kleiser brutally beats and bashes Cap with Rebar who is said to have equal stats as Cap or more)

https://imgur.com/a/3SGmj

(Giant Pym palmstrikes Cap on top of car that is hard enough to break and flattened that car)

https://imgur.com/NR7FWYT

(grenade blows up in front of Cap's face)

https://imgur.com/a/Kb2Ib

*Speed*

(Sprint 8 or 9 blocks in seconds)

https://i.imgur.com/uG2QT45.jpg

(Leap and run through a crowd of gun blazing)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11132/111327527/5925057-cap%20feat%20speed%20%282%29.jpg

(Quick reaction to grab food tray to block tranquilizer shots)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/11132/111327527/5925056-cap%20feat%20speed%20%281%29.jpg

(Quick reaction to create shockwave while gun blazing)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/11132/111327527/5925058-cap%20feat%20speed%20%284%29.jpg

Using shield but showing strength:

(knocks down Hulk)

https://imgur.com/a/pxpzE

(fighting Avenger team)

https://imgur.com/a/SDp7G

(Shield bash to knock out 75 tonner super durable Juggarnaunt on the head)

https://imgur.com/a/tDylA

(Shield swing to decap Asguardian monster)

https://imgur.com/a/eCRCC

(one non-dominant hand throwing shield to break helicopter's blade)

https://imgur.com/DXvtzPt


Carver showed those earlier feats, the ones showing Spider-man matching Cap's strength, lifting the concrete slab with car on it, and kicking Valkyrie are impressive. Ultimate Spider-Man is said to be using 10 tons of strength when lifting semi-truck or more.

Cool, we can make this thread last a good few pages.

Starting from the bottom. I'm pervy like that.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Using shield but showing strength:

(knocks down Hulk)

https://imgur.com/a/pxpzE

Good, good.

But not as good as knocking the Hulk out

1. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11119/111195111/5779653-719867-000002.jpg
2. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11119/111195111/5779654-4857574-3933402-spidey%2Band%2Bcap%2Bvs%2Brhino%2Band%2Bhulk%2B2.jpg
3. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/2/28811/719875-0000002.jpg

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx

(fighting Avenger team)

https://imgur.com/a/SDp7G

When it comes to team fights, this gotta be my favorite...

Cap (disguised as Crossbones) runs through Batroc's gauntlet.

Then, he manages to fend off the horde of supervillains long enough to figure out how to escape them:

https://imgur.com/a/vEesj#0

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
(Shield bash to knock out 75 tonner super durable Juggarnaunt on the head)

https://imgur.com/a/tDylA
Makes Onslaught himself bleed:

1. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/4639224-vs%20onslaught.jpg
2. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/5/52246/1447113-ownslaught2.jpg

And we know what Onslaught did to the real Juggs

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
(Shield swing to decap Asguardian monster)

https://imgur.com/a/eCRCC

Decapitating an Ultron drone:

https://i.imgur.com/umcAygc.jpg


Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
(one non-dominant hand throwing shield to break helicopter's blade)

https://imgur.com/DXvtzPt

Rapes helicopters as if he deemed them responsible for starting WW2:

https://i.imgur.com/U3HPPAw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MCRl1W3.jpg

1. https://i.imgur.com/h30Ie0q.jpg
2. https://i.imgur.com/rFs1S4f.jpg

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Carver showed those earlier feats, the ones showing Spider-man matching Cap's strength, lifting the concrete slab with car on it, and kicking Valkyrie are impressive. Ultimate Spider-Man is said to be using 10 tons of strength when lifting semi-truck or more.

U.S. Agent tries to sucker punch Steve from behind... Steve effortlessly catches his punch and puts him in the world of hurt:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/3/31423/749119-invaders082005page08hc6.jpg

U.S. Agent and Steve shield-charge at each other at the same time --- Cap comes out victorious:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2cb75c3f1970aab9346e5932fcf717e0

Kicks the Hulk in the face, making him let go of his wrists:

https://i.imgur.com/bB2ZGxQ.jpg

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
*Healing Factor*

(Stated: Genuine Superhuman)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5925022-cap%20feat%20healing%20factor%20%284%29.jpg

(Stated: Ribs cracked, nose broken, left arm dislocated will heal in day or two)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5925023-cap%20feat%20healing%20factor%20%283%29.jpg

Got shot in the head and pronounced dead --- still recovered:

https://i.imgur.com/SDfBSHW.jpg

Claims to heal fast enough not to worry about the bullet wound (which went all the way through his thigh):

https://i.imgur.com/Q2KoUHT.jpg

Quickly recovers from gas:

https://i.imgur.com/DPW8tav.jpg

His aging process is slowed down:

https://i.imgur.com/ym5R4dc.jpg

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Not Using Shield:

*Strength*

(pulling Giant Pym down to the ground with his bare hands and some acrobatics)

https://imgur.com/a/DybP5

Knocks Ameridroid on its ass with a single kick and beats the thing:

1. https://i.ibb.co/hKwQH7r/ameri01.jpg
2. https://i.ibb.co/yfgL1MW/ameri02.jpg
3. https://i.ibb.co/KGZ4J9k/ameri03.jpg
4. https://i.ibb.co/8MGDXNw/ameri04.jpg
5. https://i.ibb.co/P4XfHBf/ameri05.jpg
6. https://i.ibb.co/4FzN5Gs/ameri06.jpg

Plenty of acrobatics, too.

The fts im seeing from Ultimate Cap is just better. Those strength frs from 616 is stale imo.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
*height tolerance*

https://imgur.com/a/187Am

https://imgur.com/a/PLHT2

https://i.ibb.co/qYhqJmY/cap01.jpg https://i.ibb.co/JvSMsZz/cap02.jpg

That's it for now, g2g.

Will address other categories later.

Originally posted by carver9
The fts im seeing from Ultimate Cap is just better. Those strength frs from 616 is stale imo.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, even if you're wrong.

And yeah, he's wrong.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
And yeah, he's wrong.

Why?

Because your Hulk failed to bend omnium bars and Cap pried the helmet off without his shield, my dear carverino.

Actually... I've included feats from different eras, so carver calling them "stale" means he didn't even bother to check them out.

It's just a sample, anyway.

He doesn't like those strength feats --- okay, no problem --- Steve has much, much more of those.

That's the whole thing. He won't run out of feats. Ultimate Cap will.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Knocks Ameridroid on its ass with a single kick and beats the thing:

1. https://i.ibb.co/hKwQH7r/ameri01.jpg
2. https://i.ibb.co/yfgL1MW/ameri02.jpg
3. https://i.ibb.co/KGZ4J9k/ameri03.jpg
4. https://i.ibb.co/8MGDXNw/ameri04.jpg
5. https://i.ibb.co/P4XfHBf/ameri05.jpg
6. https://i.ibb.co/4FzN5Gs/ameri06.jpg

Plenty of acrobatics, too.


Giant Cap robot called Ameridroid.

That's some silver age goofiness right there.


Impressive feat though.

Danny anally fists actual dragons.

Comics are goofy like that.

Unlike Pym, Ameridroid had all stats enhanced, mimicking Cap's (but better due to his size).

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
*Speed*

(Sprint 8 or 9 blocks in seconds)

https://i.imgur.com/uG2QT45.jpg

Can run a mile in just over a minute:

https://i.imgur.com/soLu6KA.jpg

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
(Leap and run through a crowd of gun blazing)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11132/111327527/5925057-cap%20feat%20speed%20%282%29.jpg

Similar feat:

https://i.imgur.com/hlI2Gjo.jpg

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
(Quick reaction to grab food tray to block tranquilizer shots)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/11132/111327527/5925056-cap%20feat%20speed%20%281%29.jpg

Blocks bullets after they'd been fired:

https://i.imgur.com/REDut6m.png

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
(Quick reaction to create shockwave while gun blazing)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/11132/111327527/5925058-cap%20feat%20speed%20%284%29.jpg

Well, that's more of the shield feat, shared with the guy who struck it.

Action before that is some generic bullet dodging.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
*Durability*

(Abomination punch Cap through wall)

https://imgur.com/hQo9N16

(Herr Kleiser brutally beats and bashes Cap with Rebar who is said to have equal stats as Cap or more)

https://imgur.com/a/3SGmj

Smashed through multiple walls, still fighting back:

https://imgur.com/a/8MEGW#0

Namor flies into him:

https://i.imgur.com/OZe3vPn.jpg

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
(Giant Pym palmstrikes Cap on top of car that is hard enough to break and flattened that car)

https://imgur.com/NR7FWYT

Ameridroid scans cover that, I believe.

And, to be fair, Ult. Cap got defeated there.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
(grenade blows up in front of Cap's face)

https://imgur.com/a/Kb2Ib

Got his costume charged by Gambit and wasn't even KO'd by the explosion:

https://i.imgur.com/VMr083d.jpg

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
*Tactical knowledge*

(Smart, learns faster, reliable)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/14/147508/5025131-cap%20feat%20genius%20%283%29.png

https://imgur.com/BCOvv7h

(testing Wolverine)

https://imgur.com/a/XMR2H

Enhanced mind capable of remembering any military tactic and applying it:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/kdgWx.jpg

I'm surprised that you guys even had an opinion on this subject, because all I kept thinking of was stalemate.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm surprised that you guys even had an opinion on this subject, because all I kept thinking of was stalemate.

79 years of feats > 18 years

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
79 years of feats > 18 years

True.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Smashed through multiple walls, still fighting back:

https://imgur.com/a/8MEGW#0

Namor flies into him:

https://i.imgur.com/OZe3vPn.jpg



Ameridroid scans cover that, I believe.

And, to be fair, Ult. Cap got defeated there.



Got his costume charged by Gambit and wasn't even KO'd by the explosion:

https://i.imgur.com/VMr083d.jpg

the gambit ft kinda wins it for me tbh, whole body explosion>grenade

oh and feats are better based on one person's preferrence

Yeah the Gambit feat is pretty crazy. His armour is pretty tough so would need a LOT of energy to explode, and then you'd have super tough shrapnel next to your skin.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
79 years of feats > 18 years

Yeah, just show the best feats not all of them. It's crazy to see them all.

I have a few more:

(Thor's lightning axe hammer clashes with Cap's sword resulting in Cap becoming deflected and soared across the sky, crashing against building walls and still appears fine)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123441/3696601-cap%20feat%20durability%20vs%20thor%20%281%29.png
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/4938041-cap%20feat%20durability%20vs%20thor%20%282%29.png

(Downs Warmachine in less than 5 seconds)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kz41n4gY-6I/SxChv1QbBKI/AAAAAAAAEZc/BCoXpC3AL30/s1600/Ultimate+Comics+Avengers+%234+2.jpg

(Shield thrown to decap Assemble)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/14/147508/4938052-cap%20vs%20assemble%20%231%20%282%29.png

(Fist fight overpowers Tigra; Tigra is 10 tonner)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5924979-cap%20feat%20strength%20%282%29.png

(Dodging bullet at the same time throwing shield to ricochet off corners to hit Winter Soldier)

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/5014770-5729730942-kVBwh.jpg

(Strong enough to hold back Zarda with shield; Zarda is on par with Hyperion level)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/12/123441/3696593-cap%20feat%20strength%20vs%20zarda%20strength.jpg

(More battling with Herr Kleiser)

**The following scan is the full battle after that is the same individual scans

https://arousinggrammar.com/2013/10/22/famous-panels-captain-america/

Individual scans:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123441/3696679-cap%20vs%20kleiser%20%2312%20%287%29.png
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123441/3696680-cap%20vs%20kleiser%20%2312%20%288%29.png
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123441/3696681-cap%20vs%20kleiser%20%2312%20%289%29.png
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/12/123441/3696682-cap%20vs%20kleiser%20%2312%20%2810%29.png
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123441/3696683-cap%20vs%20kleiser%20%2312%20%2811%29.png

(Nuke tortures Cap with no food or water for week. 8 liters of blood drained and not dead. Part 1)

**To see the individual scans faster, go to the following website and manually scroll to look for one of the individual scans. It should show all 4 scans together. Other than that, I don't know any other way sorry.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/ultimate-captain-america-vs-new-52-deathstroke-660016/

Individual scans:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2922385
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2922386
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2922388
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2922389

(After Cap being tortured, Nuke brawls and hammers down weakened Cap and Cap comes out on top at the end. Part 2)

**To see the individual scans faster, go to the following website and manually scroll to look for one of the individual scans and then click on the right arrow or left arrow. Other than that, I don't know any other way sorry.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/ultimate-captain-america-vs-new-52-deathstroke-660016/

Individual Scans:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972841
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972842
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972843
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972844
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972845
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972846
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972847
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972848
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972849
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972850
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972851
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972852
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972853

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Yeah, just show the best feats not all of them. It's crazy to see them all.

Which is exactly why I divided your post into fragments and tried to find feats most similar to the ones you posted

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Individual Scans:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972841
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972842
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972843
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972844
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972845
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972846
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972847
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972848
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972849
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972850
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972851
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972852
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972853

All scans from that part of your post appear to be broken, my dude.

Comicvine betrayed you

Works fine for me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Works fine for me.

What browser?

Computer or phone?

My mistake. Ignore these scans lol.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972844
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2972851

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What browser?

Computer or phone?

I'm using chrome on computer. It should work.

Any feats suggesting that Ultimate Tigra is a 10-tonner?

It'd be hard to prove for 616 Tigra, let alone Ultimate one, imho.

But maybe I'm wrong.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
I'm using chrome on computer. It should work.

Same here. Weird.

Oh well, I'll focus on the scans that do work --- I can always try viewing the rest on my phone.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Any feats suggesting that Ultimate Tigra is a 10-tonner?

It'd be hard to prove for 616 Tigra, let alone Ultimate one, imho.

But maybe I'm wrong.

Ok, it might not be 10 tons. I got it from a not so reliable source. Fandom:

https://ultimate-marvel-cinematic-universe.fandom.com/wiki/Tigra

Your link gave me cancer

Out of all possible wikis, you had to google such shit? lol

Stick to marvel dot fandom dot com:

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Marie_Grant_(Earth-1610)

It's still only a fandom wiki site, but at least it's not total fanfiction bs.

Owning Ultimate Tigra is like owning a random goon --- she's nobody in that universe.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx


(Strong enough to hold back Zarda with shield; Zarda is on par with Hyperion level)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/12/123441/3696593-cap%20feat%20strength%20vs%20zarda%20strength.jpg



Vs. Hyperion possessed by Carrion:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3275100-superior%20spider-man%20team-up%20001-017.jpg

616 Cap lifts a Car over his head
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11126/111269876/6075207-captain%20america%20the%20chosen%20005-015.jpg
From Cap The Chosen #5 IIRC

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
616 Cap lifts a Car over his head
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11126/111269876/6075207-captain%20america%20the%20chosen%20005-015.jpg
From Cap The Chosen #5 IIRC

The Chosen is not canon.

It's Earth-7116.

Oh. Thanks for that

No problem.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
(Dodging bullet at the same time throwing shield to ricochet off corners to hit Winter Soldier)

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/5014770-5729730942-kVBwh.jpg



That's 616 Cap

So... you've seen the light and switched sides, yes?

Cap gets punched through the roof into tjmhe sky
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/16715/3436280-cap35.jpg

I was trying to find that.

Great feat

Also I don't know how anyobe thinks Ult Cap has anything on 616 in skill. Screw that, I doubt anyone in Ult univ is a match forbthe top street skill of 616. Ult Cap's best skill feat was vs Nuke

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah the Gambit feat is pretty crazy. His armour is pretty tough so would need a LOT of energy to explode, and then you'd have super tough shrapnel next to your skin.



The armor saved Cap's arm from Ulik's teeth:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11113/111137597/5888283-thor%20is%20bitten%20by%20ulik.jpg

After that scene, Stark scanned his arm and commented how there was no major damage and that Steve's armor is pretty damn impressive.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Also I don't know how anyobe thinks Ult Cap has anything on 616 in skill. Screw that, I doubt anyone in Ult univ is a match forbthe top street skill of 616. Ult Cap's best skill feat was vs Nuke

Or America Chavez

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


The armor saved Cap's arm from Ulik's teeth:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11113/111137597/5888283-thor%20is%20bitten%20by%20ulik.jpg

After that scene, Stark scanned his arm and commented how there was no major damage and that Steve's armor is pretty damn impressive.

Did they show Thor's arm after?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Did they show Thor's arm after?



Hmmm. I don't remember; need to skim through the issue later.

It's funny how Cap keeps saving Thor's ass.

@LoveSaint69

It's from the "Thor Disassembled" arc (Thor #81).

I don't see any wound or bite marks on Thor's arm, sadly. I'm very disappointed.

https://i.ibb.co/K9D3dy8/ironscan.jpg

So equal to one of Marvel's top heralds, thanks.

Any scans you want to add?

Or you're silently cheerleading for the Ultimate Cap here?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@LoveSaint69

It's from the "Thor Disassembled" arc (Thor #81).

I don't see any wound or bite marks on Thor's arm, sadly. I'm very disappointed.

https://i.ibb.co/K9D3dy8/ironscan.jpg


Oeming was consistent.
https://i.imgur.com/c46BWoo.jpg






Also, very unnerving to see waif Volstagg.

Lol, nice

And that's pre-chainmail Thor in his regular outfit.

I haven't looked through all the scans yet too many. It's hard to find ways to best 616 in terms of skills in shield throwing,combat speed and reflexes because obviously Ultimate Cap's limited scans.

Ameridroid's height is about 12 feet tall compared to Ultimate Pym is around 60 feet. Significant height difference. However, Ameridroid is an android enhanced with Super Soldier Serum. But I think strength and durability still would favor Pym because of his size. Pym was quite angry at that time.

They both fought Hulk pretty well, knocking him down unconscious. However, 616 was supported by Spider-man delivering that final punch to the Hulk at the end. I think I need to read the whole issue on 616 Cap fighting the Hulk to really understand what's going on.

Well, my decision on who wins is more undecided after seeing all those beyond superhuman throwing shield, exceptional combat speed, and reflexes feats from 616 like when 616 threw his shield faster than the rocket propelling upwards towards the sky and slicing it in two. That is beyond what real physics can do assuming the flying rocket doesn't slow down in mid-air, which is highly unlikely. Well, comic logic goes above real logic or all logic so anything can be possible once it's in comics. It can't be explained.

Although Caps' fight is without their shield and a few 616 scans might be outlier like the one where the bullet went through 616's head and Doctors pronounced him brain dead but 616 woke up suddenly. Outlier is still his feat nonetheless but I read some other people's arguments saying that outlier is not credible. Do Ultimate and 616's feats have to be consistent with his skill set or ability assets to be considered a viable feat ? Frankly, I have no clue.

616 Cap breaking the Omnium restraints is amazing superhuman strength feat no doubt. Hard to best that one. Incredible forearm muscles. As well as the underwater 616's leg strength feat is great too. Onslaught bleeding feat is good too. I thought Onslaught was one opponent that 616 Cap wouldn't dare to confront face to face. What I assumed was in most encounters that 616 Cap faces, he would face villlain that are much weaker than Ultimate Cap.

616 Cap prying the Omnium helmet open is good too but he's not really ripping the Omnium helmet into pieces, it was designed to be opened like that so not really breaking the full strength the Omnium metal. In another scan, 616 using his shield to decap Ultron drone is a good feat too but he's using Adamantium Shield to break some thin springs so that don't really convince me as much.

Anyways, I think it's better to compare both Cap fighting the same person like the Hulk.

Although I know Ultimate universe in general is weaker to the 616 so that would give an advantage to 616.

Pertaining to both Cap's fighting mentality, behavior, and style. Ultimate Cap is more ruthless, willing to kill and quite keen on using firearms and thus the reason why he takes on impossible odds. For 616 Cap, he is more for honor, justice, freedom, moral code, fairness, calm type of person like kinda opposite of Ultimate Cap. Both have strategic and tactical knowledge. How the fighting scenario would be like in a typical street fight. It all depends. Grappling at the end and overpowering with strength and durability would be what Ultimate Cap typically would do but 616 is also well versed in those department to a standstill. Let's just say that they're equally match, more or less to small degree. Nerve pinching, pressure points, and joint locking until submission would be more like 616 and he has a relatively good chance of successfully executing that kind of attack because of his insane quick reflexes and combat speed. Although 616 might let his guard down once he's in a positional advantage because of his CIS and morality and that would ultimately turn the fight around.

Is 616 Roger more skilled than Ultimate Rogers?

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
I haven't looked through all the scans yet too many. It's hard to find ways to best 616 in terms of skills in shield throwing,combat speed and reflexes because obviously Ultimate Cap's limited scans.

Take your time.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Ameridroid's height is about 12 feet tall compared to Ultimate Pym is around 60 feet. Significant height difference. However, Ameridroid is an android enhanced with Super Soldier Serum. But I think strength and durability still would favor Pym because of his size. Pym was quite angry at that time.

18 feet tall, actually:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ameridrd.htm

And, as you noted, it was an android (with a human mind) designed to mimick Cap's physical attributes.

Ultimate Pym was a nerd with a glass jaw; he was no athlete, no fighter. Specialised in beating his girlfriend.

616 Pym knew karate and has had been an Avenger longer than Cap... and this is what Steve did to him:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11128/111284868/6281662-hank%20pym%20gets%20stomped%20by%20cap.jpg

(now that I think of it, Marvel probably retconned Civil War Pym to be a Skrull... but the feat remains impressive).

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
They both fought Hulk pretty well, knocking him down unconscious. However, 616 was supported by Spider-man delivering that final punch to the Hulk at the end. I think I need to read the whole issue on 616 Cap fighting the Hulk to really understand what's going on.

It's from Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America. Issue 4.

Sure, 616 Cap had assistance, but the Hulk got knocked out cold.

Ultimate Hulk was only stunned or flash ko'd, at best. He got up and destroyed Steve.

And, as we saw in that issue, Ultimate Hulk managed to steamroll Ultimates... who needed a plot device to take him out. So he obviously wasn't bothered too much by Ult. Steve's love-taps, which had no lasting effect.

PS. One more thing --- Ultimate Steve had some "assistance", too --- he had a f*cking tank which was dropped on Ult. Hulk's head.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
616 Cap prying the Omnium helmet open is good too but he's not really ripping the Omnium helmet into pieces, it was designed to be opened like that so not really breaking the full strength the Omnium metal.

He had to bust all of the helmet's hinges/locking mechanisms in order to do so, though. It wasn't easy. But I see what you're saying.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
In another scan, 616 using his shield to decap Ultron drone is a good feat too but he's using Adamantium Shield to break some thin springs so that don't really convince me as much.

Tsk tsk.

616 shield is not made out of adamantium.

Originally posted by deft
Is 616 Roger more skilled than Ultimate Rogers?

Easily.

He's one of the best martial artists the mainstream Marvel Universe has to offer.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Tsk tsk.

616 shield is not made out of adamantium.

Well part of it. Alloy of adamantium and vibranium. Proto-adamantium. Both properties work together in conjuction. One of a kind. Better than true-adamantium. Some sources (wiki) say Ultron's drone is made from steel and secondary adamantium. Only prime Ultron's outer armor is primarily made of true-adamantium due to the lack of resources and since they give all the true-adamantium to Ultron's body.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultron

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Any scans you want to add?

Or you're silently cheerleading for the Ultimate Cap here?

My shield throw is the best one here sneer

I am firmly on the side of 616. Yeah, sure, Ult. Cap is more 'ruthless'. But that's a terrible argument to make - it's not as if 616 Cap has never fought anyone who is out to kill/hurt him, lol. I don't think he has CIS in that regard - besides, there are plenty of ways to disable/disarm an opponent without killing them.

Size shouldn't matter at all - otherwise, Pym would be stronger than Hulk.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Well part of it. Alloy of adamantium and vibranium. Proto-adamantium. Both properties work together in conjuction. One of a kind. Better than true-adamantium.

Many writers mistake it for an alloy of adamantium and vibranium (happens so often, one might start wondering if it's not a retcon).

But the correct answer is that it's made out of vibranium and an experimental steel alloy (uknown factor was involved, so we'll never known its exact composition).

Adamantium didn't exist at the time - Myron MacLain created it by trying to recreate the shield.

https://tinyurl.com/ycrbj9sm

Also, it's worth noting how Asgardian dwarves added the Uru metal to the mix, after the events of Fear Itself.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Some sources (wiki) say Ultron's drone is made from steel and secondary adamantium. Only prime Ultron's outer armor is primarily made of true-adamantium due to the lack of resources and since they give all the true-adamantium to Ultron's body.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultron

Yeah, Ultron drones aren't as tough.

Which is exactly why I used it to counter your example of decapitating some Asgardian fodder and not one of the better feats.

Yeah, the timeline is:

Adamantine (Hercules' mace)
--->
Proto-adamantium (the shield)
--->
Adamantium (which is injected into Wolverine and becomes Beta adamantium)

Then all the variants like Carbonadium (Russian version) and things liek Secondary.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My shield throw is the best one here sneer

Yeah, the missile feat is insane.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I am firmly on the side of 616. Yeah, sure, Ult. Cap is more 'ruthless'. But that's a terrible argument to make - it's not as if 616 Cap has never fought anyone who is out to kill/hurt him, lol. I don't think he has CIS in that regard - besides, there are plenty of ways to disable/disarm an opponent without killing them.

616 is not as "edgy" or "badass" as Ultimate Cap, that is correct...

https://i.ibb.co/rvjW4Ly/379364-320.jpg

... but he's still capable of being brutal and - in rare cases - even killing when the situation calls for it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Size shouldn't matter at all - otherwise, Pym would be stronger than Hulk.

Of course.

Remember Hulk's Secret Wars feat? Or Spider-Man's Daily Bugle one?


Cap has done something similar:

https://imgur.com/a/XOxiR#0

Energy shield contributed to it, of course, but Steve was still praised by the narrator.

Does anyone have Cap lifting Statue of Liberty torch or am I mistaken?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Does anyone have Cap lifting Statue of Liberty torch or am I mistaken?

I don't remember ever seeing that feat.

Saint?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I don't remember ever seeing that feat.

Saint?
I could be wrong here.
But I rely on u for all things street damnit!

Ure slipping.

He is a 79 years old character, cut me some slack.


For example --- did you know that Cap had his own Electro villain, who predated Spider-Man's Electro...?

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/electroc.htm

Anr Cap never lost to him.

Makes him look smarter then Shang, who only fought a clone that electrified the surface of his suit. Must have been a million ways he could attack him indirectly, and he just keeps punching him until he gets beaten down.



Wear some sneakers!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He is a 79 years old character, cut me some slack.


For example --- did you know that Cap had his own Electro villain, who predated Spider-Man's Electro...?

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/electroc.htm
Correction.. It was Statue of Liberty's crown. He briefly held it up.

Source?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Source?
Should be Avengers 113. Just looked at it again. That thing should have crushed every bone on his body.

The issue was published after the Viper arc.

So Cap likely still had amped strength thanks to his poison.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The issue was published after the Viper arc.

So Cap likely still had amped strength thanks to her poison.
Ah.. There goes my street expert.

Come to think of it, i do recall him mentioning super str a few issues before this. Im guessing tbe Viper arc was from his book?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Ah.. There goes my street expert.

Come to think of it, i do recall him mentioning super str a few issues before this. Im guessing tbe Viper arc was from his book?

Correct.

Captain America #157 is when Cap gets poisoned by the male Viper, drinks the antidote, but the side-effect is significant strength increase.

Avengers #113 was released a good few months later, but Cap is still boasting about his super-strength there.

I'm not sure when the effect wore off.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/9/96884/2275798-capstrenfberthawy2.jpg

Bump.

Goober, stop lurking and join us.

Effortlessly catches U.S. Agent's punch:

https://i.ibb.co/1ZfZcM5/agentfist01.jpg https://i.ibb.co/544qy9k/agentfist02.jpg

It even hurt US Agent, lol.

Yeah, because Steve applied pressure to the nerve clusters in John's hand.

And Walker is a legit Class 10 character:

https://imgur.com/ell1F3j

And here we see Walker (dressed as Cap) performing against the most popular Class 10 superhero:

https://imgur.com/jjxS6dQ


So, Steve catching a sucker punch like that... from behind, while not even looking at it... is helluva impressive.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-122363d8e126e8c8f49a9f9799a2f90f

I've found this scan too. Is there any context to it Stilt?

Seems too casual.

I don't think it was U.S. Agent, just some idiot dressed as him, but it's been a while.

Walker at the time was a cripple and he was in charge of the Raft and the Thunderbolts project.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And Walker is a legit Class 10 character:

https://imgur.com/ell1F3j

And here we see Walker (dressed as Cap) performing against the most popular Class 10 superhero:

https://imgur.com/jjxS6dQ


So, Steve catching a sucker punch like that... from behind, while not even looking at it... is helluva impressive.


Sucker punch too.


Quite impressive reaction feat for Spidey. Implies he'd take Walker apart on fair ground.

He almost got killed by a second-rate Tarantula, so you're wrong as usual.

@Reflash

If you want a one-sided stomp between them, here it is:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/10/101999/3230921-avengers%20v3%2084%20%2817%29.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He almost got killed by a second-rate Tarantula, so you're wrong as usual.


Walkers np Black Tarantula.


If Peter's a class 25 (Forget the bio, he threw a tank and those aren't 10 tons), that makes BT something like class 50 or more, judging by how casually he tanked his best and manhandled him.

He became Class ~20 after The Other and Queen upgrades. Prior to them, he was 10.

You should cut your own fingers off to prevent them from hitting your keyboard.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@Reflash

If you want a one-sided stomp between them, here it is:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/10/101999/3230921-avengers%20v3%2084%20%2817%29.jpg Nice.

Those scans are all that's needed to end this thread, imo. Look at Walker vs Spidey and compare it to Steven barely holding his ground against a far weaker Parker.

Well, to be fair now, Ultimate Cap wasn't trying to hurt or fight Ultimate Parker --- he was trying to calm him down, restrain him for a while, so he could explain to him that his closed ones are safe from the Ultimate Sinister Six. Context.


But yeah, Ultimate Cap ain't winning a featwar against his 616 counterpart.


I haven't even begun --- he has plenty more feats, both old and modern, to pick from.

That's the major difference between him and Ultimate --- he's not going to run out from feats, not any time soon at least. And... unlike Ultimate... he keeps getting more showings.