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Russia report: UK MPs condemn 'utterly reprehensible' delay

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/20/russia-report-uk-mps-condemn-utterly-reprehensible-delay?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy

UK ministers will no longer claim 'no successful examples' of Russian interference

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/mar/15/uk-ministers-will-no-longer-claim-no-successful-examples-of-russian-interference?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy

How do they know The Kremlin had anything to do with it? A lot of unemployed, highly educated hackers, the world over.


And even if true, how does hacking some files delegitimize results in an election?


If they can prove vote tampering, that's one thing. To me this looks like McCarthy era witch hunts designed to cast doubt on the results of the vote.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/01/why-russia-keeps-poisoning-people-navalny-suspected-illness-protests-moscow/

Whirly go to the content section of this wiki and read the plan for the uk and for america. Russias goal since 1997 was to break the uk off from the rest of europe, and it did that by positioning it so right wingers would vote for it (brexit) because of anti globalist sentiment, which plays into Russia's globalist play book aka taking over the world


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

Also @ cdtm it could be a different hacker but we also know the ira, aka internet research agency aka russia troll farms, had 35 million bucks pumped into it by one of the oligarchs under Putin's command. They highlight the flaws of globalism so people like trump, or johnson in the uk, get voted in, which gives groups like antifa or blm, who are also being influenced by the ira, have justification to be a catalyst for anarchy. Times of chaos are hotbeds for the rulers of tomorrow to cement their power.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Whirly go to the content section of this wiki and read the plan for the uk and for america. Russias goal since 1997 was to break the uk off from the rest of europe, and it did that by positioning it so right wingers would vote for it (brexit) because of anti globalist sentiment, which plays into Russia's globalist play book aka taking over the world


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

Also @ cdtm it could be a different hacker but we also know the ira, aka internet research agency aka russia troll farms, had 35 million bucks pumped into it by one of the oligarchs under Putin's command. They highlight the flaws of globalism so people like trump, or johnson in the uk, get voted in, which gives groups like antifa or blm, who are also being influenced by the ira, have justification to be a catalyst for anarchy. Times of chaos are hotbeds for the rulers of tomorrow to cement their power. I'm well aware of the Russian goal mate, I think with Trump and his posters and Boris and Brexit they achieved it. I also think if Trump goes in November, it may come back to bite them.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I'm well aware of the Russian goal mate, I think with Trump and his posters and Boris and Brexit they achieved it. I also think if Trump goes in November, it may come back to bite them.

Arent you a socialist? It's weird to me out of all the right wingers, myself included in that group, that you're maybe the only other person to know about this russian misinfo campaign. You'd think the right wingers would still have a little taste of mccarthyism but instead say shit like "rather be russian than democrat", which echoes the phrase "rather be red than dead" from the 60s, which is when all the marxist intellectuals entered american acadamia and brought shit like critical theory, which aims to uninvent progress. You see it now with the destroy s.t.e.m. because it's racist and having things like indigenous science being taught at ivy league schools.

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-russia-report-putin-christopher-steele-uk-boris-johnson-2020-6

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Arent you a socialist? It's weird to me out of all the right wingers, myself included in that group, that you're maybe the only other person to know about this russian misinfo campaign. You'd think the right wingers would still have a little taste of mccarthyism but instead say shit like "rather be russian than democrat", which echoes the phrase "rather be red than dead" from the 60s, which is when all the marxist intellectuals entered american acadamia and brought shit like critical theory, which aims to uninvent progress. You see it now with the destroy s.t.e.m. because it's racist and having things like indigenous science being taught at ivy league schools. They don't want to know mate. Simple as that. Tbh, they want us away from Europe because weapons by BAE systems, five eyes intelligence etc.

Yeah, that Chris Steel Trump stuff you posted is mad. The way his been portrayed to the Trump supporter base, as a Walter Mitty type could not be further from the truth. If Trump loses in November I hope it all comes out, who covered what where and when on both sides of the Atlantic.

Johnson and May ignored claims Russia had 'likely hold' over Trump, ex-spy alleges

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/22/boris-johnson-theres-may-ignored-claims-russia-had-likely-hold-over-donald-trump-ex-spy-christopher-steele-claims?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy

Why do you keep making socks?

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Why do you keep making socks? Broly, why don't you stick to topic. I'm not going to get drawn into a flame war with you or your cronies it's not on my bucket list.

Former MI6 agent Christopher Steele reportedly told a UK parliamentary investigation that former UK Prime Minister Theresa May's government had thrown a "blanket" over the information he provided.
Steele said he had handed over a dossier on Trump's links to Russia in 2016, but "no inquiries were made or actions taken thereafter."
Boris Johnson suppressed the as-yet-unpublished report which had been due for publication before the last UK general election in December.
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Evidence of Vladimir Putin's "likely hold" over Donald Trump was covered up by the UK government in order to protect its relationship with the president, a former British spy has claimed.

Former MI6 agent Christopher Steele told a UK parliamentary investigation that former Prime Minister Theresa May had turned a blind eye to evidence of Putin's relationship with Trump, according to a Guardian report.

The report had been due for publication last year but was suppressed by the UK's current prime minister Boris Johnson and has yet to be published.

Steele has reportedly accused the May government, in which Johnson served as foreign secretary for two years, of throwing "a blanket" over the allegations regarding President Trump's relationship with Putin.

The former spy said he had presented a dossier on Trump's relationship to Russia to UK security officials in 2016, the year when he defeated Hilary Clinton to be elected US President.

However, Steele said, "on reaching top political decision-makers, a blanket appeared to be thrown over it."

He said: "No inquiries were made or actions taken thereafter on the substance of the intelligence in the dossier by HMG "


Steele, who led the MI6 Russia desk for three years, included the claim in evidence he provided to the UK Parliament's Intelligence & Security Committee (ISC) for its report into possible Russian interference in British democracy.

In his evidence, Steele said the May government decided not to act on the information it received on Trump's alleged ties with Putin, in order to protect the UK's close and long-standing relationship with the US.

Steele said: "In this case, political considerations seemed to outweigh national security interests. If so, in my view, HMG made a serious mistake in balancing matters of strategic importance to our country.

"A prospective trade deal should never be allowed to eclipse considerations of national security."

He added that the UK government was reluctant to take action when it would present "difficult wider political implications," using alleged Russian interference in the UK's 2016 referendum on EU membership as an example.

"Examples of this include reporting on the Kremlin's likely hold over President Trump and his family/administration and indications of Russian interference in and clandestine funding of the Brexit referendum," Steele said.

Failure to publish the Russia report is an 'affront to democracy'

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Boris Johnson
The ISC's report into Russian interference has not been published, despite being completed and sent to Prime Minister Johnson in October. Johnson refused to release it prior to the UK's general election in December.

The UK government insists the highly-anticipated report cannot be published until a new ISC is formed.

However, six months on from the general election, the committee is still not formed. The BBC reports that the hold-up is due to Johnson's Conservative party failing to agree on MPs it wants to nominate as committee members.

A cross-party group of opposition MPs last week wrote to Johnson, urging him to publish the report.

The letter, shared exclusively with Business Insider , pointed out that six months was the longest the UK Parliament had ever had to wait for the ISC to be formed.

It said Prime Minister Johnson's failure to release the report was an "affront to democracy" and that it was "untenable for you to continue to block the publication of the Russia report."

In the run-up to last year's general election, it was reported that Johnson's government held back the report due to the "embarrassing" links it revealed between the Russian secret service and donors to the Conservative party.

A spokesperson for Prime Minister Johnson on Monday indicated that the committee would be formed in the coming weeks.

"Work to establish the committee is ongoing and it will be established as quick as current circumstances allow.

"Further announcements including members of the committee will be made in due course," they said.

Trump's relationship with Russia and Putin has been scrutinized since the 2016 presidential campaign.

Former special counsel Robert Mueller found that Russia worked to get Trump elected , though his investigation did not find enough evidence to suggest that Russia coordinated with theTrump campaign.

Trump has repeatedly praised Putin and Russia and spoken in favor of Russia, saying he trusted Putin's word over US intelligence agencies over Russian meddling in the election.

Trump's former national security adviser, John Bolton, last week said Putin did not see Trump as a "serious adversary," and "I think Putin thinks he can play him like a fiddle."

Poor leftists.... such sore losers they are.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Poor leftists.... such sore losers they are.

Im probably more economically right than you are, and definitely more economically left than trump, who falls really close to biden on the polit compasd. Im a strict subscriber to austrian economics. On the polit compass test im where ludwig von mises is. Youre probably more culturally conservative than me, which is why it's so weird you would accept a foul mouthed, non traditionalist, wwe wrestler president. I think trump used to be a nationalistic chad, i didnt like him then but i respect him more than 2020 lefty capitulation trump.

You dont have to try to put everything into neat little categories.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Im probably more economically right than you are, and definitely more economically left than trump, who falls really close to biden on the polit compasd. Im a strict subscriber to austrian economics. On the polit compass test im where ludwig von mises is. Youre probably more culturally conservative than me, which is why it's so weird you would accept a foul mouthed, non traditionalist, wwe wrestler president. I think trump used to be a nationalistic chad, i didnt like him then but i respect him more than 2020 lefty capitulation trump.

You dont have to try to put everything into neat little categories. Do you think the dossier is legitimate mate, I want to see this report to decide. If so the US investigation has a lot of questions to answer. Which only will be if Trump goes in November.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Im probably more economically right than you are, and definitely more economically left than trump, who falls really close to biden on the polit compasd. Im a strict subscriber to austrian economics. On the polit compass test im where ludwig von mises is. Youre probably more culturally conservative than me, which is why it's so weird you would accept a foul mouthed, non traditionalist, wwe wrestler president. I think trump used to be a nationalistic chad, i didnt like him then but i respect him more than 2020 lefty capitulation trump.

You dont have to try to put everything into neat little categories.

Good post. I agree with you.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Do you think the dossier is legitimate mate, I want to see this report to decide. If so the US investigation has a lot of questions to answer. Which only will be if Trump goes in November.

I think it's legitimate and fits comfortably with all the other ostensibly disconnected pieces of fishy stuff happening, which from my pov are painting a low res picture that is becoming clearer and clearer. The world communist hive mind, which russia has always been at helm of, have been interested in trump since the 70s; the breadcrumbs start there and are evenly distributed on his path to the white house.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Good post. I agree with you.

Thanks for saying so. It should be noted however that when i said im left of trump economically the opposite was intended. Im wayyy right of trump in the econ axis.

@Ilikecomics: if you truly believe that Trump only won because of Russia or that Brexit only passed because of Russia then yes, you're a sore f***ing loser and you need serious help as it has already been proven to be a lie several times over.


So yes, leftists are just sore ass losers who need to grow the f*** up... I stand by what i said.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
@Ilikecomics: if you truly believe that Trump only won because of Russia or that Brexit only passed because of Russia then yes, you're a sore f***ing loser and you need serious help as it has already been proven to be a lie several times over.


So yes, leftists are just sore ass losers who need to grow the f*** up... I stand by what i said.

Please calm down. 😊

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
@Ilikecomics: if you truly believe that Trump only won because of Russia or that Brexit only passed because of Russia then yes, you're a sore f***ing loser and you need serious help as it has already been proven to be a lie several times over.


So yes, leftists are just sore ass losers who need to grow the f*** up... I stand by what i said. Why do you want to dismiss a report before it has been seen?

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Please calm down. 😊


Please open your eyes and grow a brain... if you think I'm angry then you're delusional. So sorry I hurt your fragile wittle fee fees by pointing out facts, Eon. I know you're one of those butthurt lefties still upset that Trump beat Hillary even after 3 1/2 years have passed lol.

Also, im not a sore loser, while i think trump is a deplorable twit he was still the best option.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Excellent post.

Something a guy with a 9 incher would say

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Also, im not a sore loser, while i think trump is a deplorable twit he was still the best option. Even if he is in Russia's pocket mate? Really?

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Something a guy with a 9 incher would say

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Even if he is in Russia's pocket mate? Really?

The thing that makes that part okay, in my opinion, is the sheer brazeness that trump does things with.
Had someone less tenacious, crass, or impulsive won, they wouldnt have done things as tone deaf as praising putin directly, which reminds me of how serial killers stalk the crime scene or even send police clues. These Machiavellian traits make them highly affective predators, but they simultaneously doom them to be caught in a modern society with forensics and increasingly complex and capable methods of investigation. The analogy to trumps behavior is that his crassness, corrupted self interest, and impulsivity positioned him as a political outsider and worked well when he was external to politics, but now internal to politics will, in my opinion, prove to be his downfall.

Framed another way: the white house and station of presidency, as well as how that affects the integrity ofthe country is a jewelry store, with all it's shiny trinkets jewels and baubles. If i can somehow choose between two crooks to rob the jewelry store and the choice is between
1.) rusty bruiser. A thug patsy of the much more sophisticated russian mafia, who almost always gets caught due to sloppy work and a bragadocious nature.
Or
2.)someone working autonomously for themselves, who has gotten away with numerous heists (and who has a partner who flew on jeff epsteins private jet 26 times) because theyre so slick.

The choice to me, if i care about the jewelry store, is gonna be the dumb ass that robs it, brags about it, then gets caught, potentially some of the loot recovered, over the second thief, who would get a job there and slowly suck the life out of the jewelry store over the span of approximately a decade.

Im playing 4d chess, bud.

@ eon blue

I just watched hans herman hoppe talk about argumentation for an hour and i wanted to flex lol i kid.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
The thing that makes that part okay, in my opinion, is the sheer brazeness that trump does things with.
Had someone less tenacious, crass, or impulsive won, they wouldnt have done things as tone deaf as praising putin directly, which reminds me of how serial killers stalk the crime scene or even send police clues. These Machiavellian traits make them highly affective predators, but they simultaneously doom them to be caught in a modern society with forensics and increasingly complex and capable methods of investigation. The analogy to trumps behavior is that his crassness, corrupted self interest, and impulsivity positioned him as a political outsider and worked well when he was external to politics, but now internal to politics will, in my opinion, prove to be his downfall.

Framed another way: the white house and station of presidency, as well as how that affects the integrity ofthe country is a jewelry store, with all it's shiny trinkets jewels and baubles. If i can somehow choose between two crooks to rob the jewelry store and the choice is between
1.) rusty bruiser. A thug patsy of the much more sophisticated russian mafia, who almost always gets caught due to sloppy work and a bragadocious nature.
Or
2.)someone working autonomously for themselves, who has gotten away with numerous heists (and who has a partner who flew on jeff epsteins private jet 26 times) because theyre so slick.

The choice to me, if i care about the jewelry store, is gonna be the dumb ass that robs it, brags about it, then gets caught, potentially some of the loot recovered, over the second thief, who would get a job there and slowly suck the life out of the jewelry store over the span of approximately a decade.

Im playing 4d chess, bud. You see, I think anyone who puts self over nation enough to be compromised by a foreign power isn't fit for purpose and has to go.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
You see, I think anyone who puts self over nation enough to be compromised by a foreign power isn't fit for purpose and has to go.

I agree, im saying trump or clinton both would have done that, trump was just much more likely to be caught.

Put another way, in universe b, where clinton won, maybe things would seem alot more calm than our current universe a i.e. the world wouldnt be exploding in racially based conflict, but we could be totally sold up the river to china, russia, or whoever pays the most without knowing.

From a third angle, trump is symptomatic corona and clinton would be like asymptomatic corona.
The symptoms would alert you to something being wrong, whereas no symptoms would mean you walk around not knowing youre infected and infecf others.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I agree, im saying trump or clinton both would have done that, trump was just much more likely to be caught.

Put another way, in universe b, where clinton won, maybe things would seem alot more calm than our current universe a i.e. the world wouldnt be exploding in racially based conflict, but we could be totally sold up the river to china, russia, or whoever pays the most without knowing.

From a third angle, trump is symptomatic corona and clinton would be like asymptomatic corona.
The symptoms would alert you to something being wrong, whereas no symptoms would mean you walk around not knowing youre infected and infecf others. I prefer to think the tacidly agreed social norms of Clinton, the institutionalised politeness is far better than the endorsement of division by Trump. But that is just me.

Related...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/24/trump-foreign-friends-israel-netanyahu-poland-337217

Seems legit.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I prefer to think the tacidly agreed social norms of Clinton, the institutionalised politeness is far better than the endorsement of division by Trump. But that is just me.

Would you say this is because he taints the iconography and prestige surrounding the station of potus?

If not that, then why? Is it the palatability of clinton ?

If so it would make sense this could hurt our standing on the world stage via the perceptions of foe and ally alike.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Would you say this is because he taints the iconography and prestige surrounding the station of potus?

If not that, then why? Is it the palatability of clinton ?

If so it would make sense this could hurt our standing on the world stage via the perceptions of foe and ally alike. because of how his language affects the fringes.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
because of how his language affects the fringes.

You dont think Clinton's word could be carelessly misinterpreted by the ultra left?

The ultra left in my mind represents the mass killings of the 20th century.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
You dont think Clinton's word could be carelessly misinterpreted by the ultra left?

The ultra left in my mind represents the mass killings of the 20th century. No and no. But please go on, neither Blair or Bush were ultra left, one was a neo con, the other a neo liberal.

I'm really looking forward to you guys brexiting, gonna be good

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm really looking forward to you guys brexiting, gonna be good Won't affect me much, I have an Irish Passport too.

Nice

Originally posted by Surtur
Nice yeah, I've only had it a short time, I investigated as my mum has one if I could get one and yes I could and did.