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Macy's reviewed all the evidence in the situation (not sure what that was) and determined the attack was unprovoked.



Watch the video in the article (2 articles as they provide different information):

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/macy-s-viral-beating-of-employee-unprovoked-despite-racism-claim/ar-BB15Juo6

https://nypost.com/2020/06/19/white-man-in-michigan-macys-beatdown-is-an-employee/

Here's what we know:

1. Macy's worker is gay.

2. Macy's worker was attacked.

3. His friend is recording prior to the attack starting and the Macy's worker is clearly not paying attention to the attacker.

4. Macy's investigated all the "evidence" and determined that the attack was unprovoked, directly contradicting FT Quay's - the friend who recorded the attack and uploaded it - narrative.

5. FT Quay's narrative: His friend asked about a shirt size and the Macy's worker responded. Then the Macy's worker, who was on the phone, told the person on the other end that it was "no one just sum n*gger" under his breath.


Here's my guess at what actually happened:

The attack was because he touched the attacker prior to the video starting. The first words out of the attacker's mouth after the sucker punch "Boy...boy....you don't touch me, n*gger*." The Macy's worker first words are "what did you do that for?!?!" And then verbally defends himself and says, "I didn't touch you."

*He used the hard "r' for some reason the first time he said it. Seems odd.


The attacker, like many young black men in the US, is likely homophobic. When he asked the Macy's worker about the shirt, it's possible the gay man touched the attacker's shoulder or arm and that caused the attack.


If the Macy's employee did say that under his breath to the person on his phone, that does not warrant a violent assault like that. The attacker would have been better served reporting that to Macy's management and then to the news - that guy's life would have been pretty much cancelled. Based on FT Quay's weaponized use of Social Media, FT Quay would have been aware of that. This is part of why the racial slur narrative just doesn't fly to me.

Also, posting a video of a young black man being disgustingly violent does nothing to actually stop the racism and "get justice." All it does it send the closeted racists deeper into the closet and neutral people start walking towards that closet.



One thing is for sure, social media and cameras being everywhere is making these things appear much more often than in the past. All sorts of dirty deeds are being more more public. We are truly neck deep in the information age.

Well if this is the case homophobia like racism is a hate crime and he should have the full weight of the law thrown at him. What's your point DDM?

This is unlawful and ill behavior on the part of that black man. A shame.

homophobia is rampant in the black community so...not surprising.

Originally posted by Surtur
homophobia is rampant in the black community so...not surprising. Hmophobia is also rampant in many other communities.

Especially in the black community though kiddo

Originally posted by Surtur
Especially in the black community though kiddo in some segments, although I understand many white Christian's in the US struggle with it too.

Originally posted by Surtur
Especially in the black community though kiddo

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
in some segments, although I understand many white Christian's in the US struggle with it too.

Yeah, more rampant in the black community tho

Sorry

Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah, more rampant in the black community tho

Sorry Not so sure about that tbh. But the fact you are so keen to racialise homophobia really is a nice little bit of Voltron code.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Not so sure about that tbh. But the fact you are so keen to racialise homophobia really is a nice little bit of Voltron code.

Ah, and the fact you're such a man-child you went to voltron this quick makes me smile

Originally posted by Surtur
Ah, and the fact you're such a man-child you went to voltron this quick makes me smile Voltrons coded speech makes me smile.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
in some segments, although I understand many white Christian's in the US struggle with it too.


As do many diverse groups and religious people.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Voltrons coded speech makes me smile.

Ah yes, and inferiors calling out coded speech where this is none makes me chuckle

Originally posted by Surtur
Ah yes, and inferiors calling out coded speech where this is none makes me chuckle

Bingo!

Coping party engaged.

Yes bro, call me pidge next i'll allow it

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes bro, call me pidge next i'll allow it

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!


You have my permission, just remember.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Voltrons coded speech makes me smile.

Sorry you arnt PVS

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Sorry you arnt PVS

Bang on!

voltron is missing s&m

I honestly can't believe Black Lion messaged them all for me. Pidge responded first of course.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I honestly can't believe Black Lion messaged them all for me. Pidge responded first of course.

Lol you're so lucky backfire acknowledged he done f*cked up by banning me before, otherwise you'd be in serious trouble for lying.

Be grateful he admitted his mistake

whoa carefull pidge. with great pretend power comes great pretend-responsibility

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol you're so lucky backfire acknowledged he done f*cked up by banning me before, otherwise you'd be in serious trouble for lying.

Be grateful he admitted his mistake So you didn't respond first? That's right Eon did.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
whoa carefull pidge. with great pretend power comes great pretend-responsibility

Sorry my facts hurt ya.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I clearly took a stance and did my own "sleuthing" to piece together the facts of the story. So I had no idea what Whirly was talking about. I figured he was just trolling with nonsense so I ignored him.

That would be an apt response for most/all things Whirly says.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I clearly took a stance and did my own "sleuthing" to piece together the facts of the story. So I had no idea what Whirly was talking about. I figured he was just trolling with nonsense so I ignored him.

Bingo

Wow, Voltron doubling down here.

Care to post on OP, or you going to continue to derail/troll?

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Care to post on OP, or you going to continue to derail/troll?

Bash did him a disservice if i'm being honest. Now we know whenever he is flailing, he just talks about voltron. They both do it.

It's like a card player who gives his tell away.

I can't help my posts have triggered this reaction from you guys. Voltron go reeeeeeeeeeeeee

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Care to post on OP, or you going to continue to derail/troll?

hmm


I take it back. You'd be a better mod than me.

Supra for GDF Mod.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The attack was because he touched the attacker prior to the video starting. The first words out of the attacker's mouth after the sucker punch "Boy...boy....you don't touch me, n*gger*." The Macy's worker first words are "what did you do that for?!?!" And then verbally defends himself and says, "I didn't touch you."

*He used the hard "r' for some reason the first time he said it. Seems odd.


The attacker, like many young black men in the US, is likely homophobic. When he asked the Macy's worker about the shirt, it's possible the gay man touched the attacker's shoulder or arm and that caused the attack.


Wrong Detective Dadudemeon!

If the Macy's associate had touched the Black man prior and that was the impetus for the recorded assault, why didn't the Black man assault him immediately?

There is a clear delay between the initial encounter as the Macy's associate's attention is clearly diverted away from the Black guy. I believe the associate said the word ****** and felt the distance and volume at which he uttered the epithet was enough to provide him safety.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I can't help my posts have triggered this reaction from you guys. Voltron go reeeeeeeeeeeeee

Concession accepted

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Wrong Detective Dadudemeon!

If the Macy's associate had touched the Black man prior and that was the impetus for the recorded assault, why didn't the Black man assault him immediately?

There is a clear delay between the initial encounter as the Macy's associate's attention is clearly diverted away from the Black guy. I believe the associate said the word ****** and felt the distance and volume at which he uttered the epithet was enough to provide him safety.

I agree with you - there is definitely a delay from when they talked to each other originally and when he decided to sucker punch the Macy's employee from behind.

IMO, after he walked away from the Macy's employee, he was pissed that the gay dude touched him on the shoulder or arm. Talked a few seconds with his friend about it, then he said he was going to pop the dude in the face for touching on him. His friend whipped out his camera when he started walking to sucker-punch the Macy's employee.


How else did he know to bring out his camera to start recording?




There's an alternative position but it doesn't fit the video evidence - it was just a random act of violence like the knockout game. But that doesn't explain why the attacker's first words were to tell the macy's worker to not touch him.

honestly the attacker was likely gay himself, but repressed it cuz his community is so damn homophobic

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree with you - there is definitely a delay from when they talked to each other originally and when he decided to sucker punch the Macy's employee from behind.

IMO, after he walked away from the Macy's employee, he was pissed that the gay dude touched him on the shoulder or arm. Talked a few seconds with his friend about it, then he said he was going to pop the dude in the face for touching on him. His friend whipped out his camera when he started walking to sucker-punch the Macy's employee.


How else did he know to bring out his camera to start recording?




There's an alternative position but it doesn't fit the video evidence - it was just a random act of violence like the knockout game. But that doesn't explain why the attacker's first words were to tell the macy's worker to not touch him.


Remember the guy who was sentenced to 180 years in prison for kidnapping and leading police on a high speed chase, with the bright idea of sueing everyone in sight who uses the footage? For some reason?


Did he have any reason whatsoever to believe he even COULD sue someone for public video footage of a crime in progress?



If so, that would explain all the crimes on camera.. People take their slap on the wrist, do their time, then profit.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree with you - there is definitely a delay from when they talked to each other originally and when he decided to sucker punch the Macy's employee from behind.

IMO, after he walked away from the Macy's employee, he was pissed that the gay dude touched him on the shoulder or arm. Talked a few seconds with his friend about it, then he said he was going to pop the dude in the face for touching on him. His friend whipped out his camera when he started walking to sucker-punch the Macy's employee.


How else did he know to bring out his camera to start recording?




There's an alternative position but it doesn't fit the video evidence - it was just a random act of violence like the knockout game. But that doesn't explain why the attacker's first words were to tell the macy's worker to not touch him.

The Macy's associate is "TOUCHING" The Black man while he is on the ground pleading. That is what The Black man is referring to in my expert opinion!

Originally posted by Surtur
honestly the attacker was likely gay himself, but repressed it cuz his community is so damn homophobic

You're trying WAY too hard here!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You're trying WAY too hard here! No doubt.

Its only a Hate Crime when committed by White Men of the Christian Religion...

That is how the Law works now...Right?

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Its only a Hate Crime when committed by White Men of the Christian Religion...

That is how the Law works now...Right? weird.

Welcome to the Leftist Mind Set.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Welcome to the Leftist Mind Set. weird post.

I think the sexual orientation of the victim may be incidental. I think it is more likely that the two suspects, Damire Canell Palmer and Damarquay Jovan, planned to film an assault for the express purpose of uploading it to social media, which is exactly what they did.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The Macy's associate is "TOUCHING" The Black man while he is on the ground pleading. That is what The Black man is referring to in my expert opinion!

The attacker uses a present verb tense later in the video and actually says "stop touching me" making the point you're trying to make here, invalid.

When he says it the first time, the victim is not touching him.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I think the sexual orientation of the victim may be incidental. I think it is more likely that the two suspects, Damire Canell Palmer and Damarquay Jovan, planned to film an assault for the express purpose of uploading it to social media, which is exactly what they did.

Found their names which you referenced. The story has been updated:

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/Flint-Twp-Police-searching-for-persons-of-interest-in-Macys-assault-571390961.html


Your narrative may be correct. If Macy's saw the surveillance video and they never ever talked to the man, that would make sense why Macy's PR team said the attack was unprovoked.

But why would they target a random stranger that just so happened to be gay? This still looks like a hate crime against gay people, to me.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
yes yes, we already established that whirly is a better troll than me. no need to keep rubbing it in Disagree... you can irritate anyone on the internet mate. I am well aware of this.

I'm still not quite as effective. second place is the first loser

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
I'm still not quite as effective. second place is the first loser I think DDM and Robtard in their different ways, whilst none of us are Trolls and DDM has different aims, his being propagation of biased and usually evidentially wrong beliefs may be more effective than you or I. DDM is the forums Trump to Robtards Ghandi, we come far lower on the totem next to these avatars of darkness and light.

Originally posted by Surtur
Especially in the black community though kiddo



There's a reason why there have never been any successful gay rappers

hip hop is a macho-man's genre

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
yes yes, we already established that whirly is a better troll than me. no need to keep rubbing it in

I wish I was a macho man.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Found their names which you referenced. The story has been updated:

https://www.abc12.com/content/news/Flint-Twp-Police-searching-for-persons-of-interest-in-Macys-assault-571390961.html


Your narrative may be correct. If Macy's saw the surveillance video and they never ever talked to the man, that would make sense why Macy's PR team said the attack was unprovoked.

But why would they target a random stranger that just so happened to be gay? This still looks like a hate crime against gay people, to me.

Why target a random stranger at all? Because this is an Internet phenomenon popularized by sites like World Star Hip Hop in which teens film themselves assaulting an unsuspecting person and upload it to social media.

But therein lies the point: random. The sexual orientation of the victim appears to be incidental, because he happens to be gay; there is no evidence to support that he was targeted because he is gay.

Victim selection alone does not a hate crime make. Every crime against a member of a vulnerable group is not automatically a hate crime.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Victim selection alone does not a hate crime make. Every crime against a member of a vulnerable group is not automatically a hate crime.

Actually, I think this gay dude was targeted specifically because he was gay and I have no reason to believe he wasn't targetted for any other reason than he was gay and these homophobes didn't like him. They heard him talking on the phone and wanted to hurt a gay dude. "Man is a f**. Let's play the knockout game with him."

If I didn't know any better, I'd assume you were a right-wing Christian in denial.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Why target a random stranger at all? Because this is an Internet phenomenon popularized by sites like World Star Hip Hop in which teens film themselves assaulting an unsuspecting person and upload it to social media.

But therein lies the point: random. The sexual orientation of the victim appears to be incidental, because he happens to be gay; there is no evidence to support that he was targeted because he is gay.

Victim selection alone does not a hate crime make. Every crime against a member of a vulnerable group is not automatically a hate crime.

I think I read somewhere that the victim has diabetes, so I think it was especially f*cked up that this guy was targeted for having such a serious illness. diabetephobes make me sickest of all the phobes


...also he's a huge fan of twilight, which is why he kinda deserved it

Originally posted by Randy Savage
I wish I was a macho man.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, I think this gay dude was targeted specifically because he was gay and I have no reason to believe he wasn't targetted for any other reason than he was gay and these homophobes didn't like him. They heard him talking on the phone and wanted to hurt a gay dude. "Man is a f**. Let's play the knockout game with him."

If I didn't know any better, I'd assume you were a right-wing Christian in denial.

Based on the evidence, there is no reason to believe he was targeted for any other reason than opportunity.

There is more evidence to suggest he was targeted for being white than for being gay, as the suspects defended their actions by stating that he called them a racial slur.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Why target a random stranger at all? Because this is an Internet phenomenon popularized by sites like World Star Hip Hop in which teens film themselves assaulting an unsuspecting person and upload it to social media.

But therein lies the point: random. The sexual orientation of the victim appears to be incidental, because he happens to be gay; there is no evidence to support that he was targeted because he is gay.

Victim selection alone does not a hate crime make. Every crime against a member of a vulnerable group is not automatically a hate crime.

If only pieces of dog shit applied this equally

Oh well, do you foresee a change...will they start to apply it equally brah?

Originally posted by Surtur
If only pieces of dog shit applied this equally

Oh well, do you foresee a change...will they start to apply it equally brah?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

No evidence he was targeted cuz he was sucking cock

you will apply this to racial issues too, I know it

ask me how i know

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Why target a random stranger at all? Because this is an Internet phenomenon popularized by sites like World Star Hip Hop in which teens film themselves assaulting an unsuspecting person and upload it to social media.

But therein lies the point: random. The sexual orientation of the victim appears to be incidental, because he happens to be gay; there is no evidence to support that he was targeted because he is gay.

Victim selection alone does not a hate crime make. Every crime against a member of a vulnerable group is not automatically a hate crime.

I've read up on this, the victim's sexuality seems to not have been the reason for the attack. But the they had to try of course because the attacker is a Black man. God bless.

If someone called me a spic under their breath I wouldn't go mental on them like that. A bruise will heal...

Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, I think this gay dude was targeted specifically because he was gay and I have no reason to believe he wasn't targetted for any other reason than he was gay and these homophobes didn't like him. They heard him talking on the phone and wanted to hurt a gay dude. "Man is a f**. Let's play the knockout game with him."

If I didn't know any better, I'd assume you were a right-wing Christian in denial.


I see what youre doing!

It was assault. Hate crime? Not for me to decide. If the man is apprehended, he will get his day in court,. I'm sure the media circus surrounding it will have nothing to do with the verdict.

Originally posted by Robtard
I've read up on this, the victim's sexuality seems to not have been the reason for the attack. But the they had to try of course because the attacker is a Black man. God bless.

Originally posted by meep-meep
It was assault. Hate crime? Not for me to decide. If the man is apprehended, he will get his day in court,. I'm sure the media circus surrounding it will have nothing to do with the verdict.



The only thing they'd have to do is find any homophobic language at all from either of the two. Then this moves from a random attack to a hate crime.

To get the hate crime charge, there needs to be a body of evidence that supports that. Usually, when legit hate crimes based on sexual orientation are committed, there is a vast body of evidence such as yelling homophobic terms, social media, text messages, etc.

If they posted homophobic shit: likely homophobic.

If they didn't: likely not.

However, if it walks like a duck...



Also, the interviews can sometimes reveal motivations and police interrogation techniques can get people to sqwak. Neither of these two men are smart - they'll fall for some of the linguistic traps setup by police. Since the police know that Macy's had the employee on a recorded line, let's see how they can push the "he said the n-word!" narrative.

Originally posted by Surtur
No evidence he was targeted cuz he was sucking cock

you will apply this to racial issues too, I know it

ask me how i know

I am applying it to racial issues now, you fool.

Personally speaking, and from what video evidence I've seen, I would lean toward that it was a hate crime. But again, it's not my decision but the jury's decision.

Originally posted by meep-meep
Personally speaking, and from what video evidence I've seen, I would lean toward that it was a hate crime. But again, it's not my decision but the jury's decision.




And that poor man is probably old enough to have been "out" when you still got beaten for being gay if you unfortunate enough to be around those types of haters. Live for decades, think you've overcome the barbaric homophobia of the past, just to be targeted again.

I'd like to think that if the store was busy, multiple people would step in to stop the hateful violence.

For sure. My guess is that if it was a premeditated assault, likely, they surveyed the area beforehand to ensure there was low traffic for an easy exit.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
I think I read somewhere that the victim has diabetes, so I think it was especially f*cked up that this guy was targeted for having such a serious illness. diabetephobes make me sickest of all the phobes


...also he's a huge fan of twilight, which is why he kinda deserved it I'm going to admit to something. I had only seen the first Twilight until lockdown, Mira likes them and said let's watch them all. Shockingly, I actually enjoyed them

The employee seemed like an a hole fatty. Still not a reason to single him out because he's a weak little pipe smoker. It's kind of cowardly, unless you think a guaranteed win is brave and proves a point.