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Why did you begin by talking about Africa and the Middle East? What does that have to do with this attack?

Originally posted by Surtur
Why did you begin by talking about Africa and the Middle East? What does that have to do with this attack? Read the article.

I clicked and it said page not found but the only reason I can guess as to why you would bring this up is you think the person who did this is black or middle eastern. Amirite?

KMC broke the link. here: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2020/jun/26/glasgow-major-incident-city-centre

Originally posted by Surtur
I clicked and it said page not found but the only reason I can guess as to why you would bring this up is you think the person who did this is black or middle eastern. Amirite? and the people who he attacked were the same.

Originally posted by Robtard
KMC broke the link. here: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2020/jun/26/glasgow-major-incident-city-centre Thanks Rob, now I gave a nuanced thread start, let the hijack begin.

Okay so what does africa got to do with it? And the middle east?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Thanks Rob, now I gave a nuanced thread start, let the hijack begin.

Cut this shit out. I wanted to know why you were bringing it up. It's a valid question.

Originally posted by Surtur
Cut this shit out. I wanted to know why you were bringing it up. It's a valid question. Ahh ok, we'll see, benefit of doubt given. It was in an Asylum seekers hostel created due to COVID 19

It just really comes off like you're super defensive over who did this and needed to throw in a disclaimer. *shrugs*

Originally posted by Surtur
It just really comes off like you're super defensive over who did this and needed to throw in a disclaimer. *shrugs* Is that how it comes off to you... hijack has started.

Based on your posting history I feel it's a reasonable interpretation, but benefit of the doubt given

Ahem, when I say "this country" I mean Scotland... which isn't England, but whatever... you get what I mean.

Please don't stab me, Scottish people

(I know you won't, you're all lovely)

How much of Africa have you seen first hand?

You're gettin' stabbed.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
read my post again, no one suggested depopulating Africa... where to star? Really? "There are about a billion Africans in Africa and almost all of them would be better off economically and politically and in terms of personal safety in Europe"

This sounds very downbeat about Africa as a continent

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
You're gettin' stabbed. oh god

Is that a Protestant God or a Catholic god?

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Is that a Protestant God or a Catholic god? ummmmmmm

leftright


the scottish one

Ah'll let ye aff, hen. Yer no a bad yin.

Originally posted by Scribble
"There are about a billion Africans in Africa and almost all of them would be better off economically and politically and in terms of personal safety in Europe"

This sounds very downbeat about Africa as a continent Where have you visited and lived in Africa? How many wars terrorists action and what I can only call genocides are you aware of going on right now? Tell me about the percentage of people in Nigeria in Poverty (clue it's proportionally higher than india). Yellow Fever and so many other diseases, dont get me started on Malaria and Boko haram, the slave trade in Niger, yes it still exists, I've stood in a slave market and watched etc etc etc... oh and drinking water.

Guns are bad. You should tell your security forces to not act like Cops. Hugs Stop Violence. Not Guns.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Guns are bad. You should tell your security forces to not act like Cops. Hugs Stop Violence. Not Guns. Guns are far easier to kill with than knives. What's your point?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Where have you visited and lived in Africa? How many wars terrorists action and what I can only call genocides are you aware of going on right now? Tell me about the percentage of people in Nigeria in Poverty (clue it's proportionally higher than india). Yellow Fever and so many other diseases, dont get me started on Malaria and Boko haram, the slave trade in Niger, yes it still exists, I've stood in a slave market and watched etc etc etc... oh and drinking water. Name the countries and cities (across the whole world) that you haven't been to or lived in, then every time you try to discuss politics relating to that place, I'll remind you that you shouldn't, as you've never been there.

Originally posted by Scribble
Name the countries and cities (across the whole world) that you haven't been to or lived in, then every time you try to discuss politics relating to that place, I'll remind you that you shouldn't, as you've never been there. what are you talking about..? Somalia, Ethiopia, Rawanda, The Slaughter of Muslims by Christian's in CAR are recent stand outs. Seriously what is the point you are trying to make, someone in the North of Nigeria who is a survivor of a village attack from Boko Haram's dead family wouldn't have been safer in Guildford?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
what are you talking about..? Somalia, Ethiopia, Rawanda, The Slaughter of Muslims by Christian's in CAR are recent stand outs. Seriously what is the point you are trying to make, someone in the North of Nigeria who is a survivor of a village attack from Boko Haram's dead family wouldn't have been safer in Guildford.

Because Muslims has never slaughtered Christians?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Malaria and Boko haram.

Pretty sure I seen them open for Elton & The Johns in 2008.

Originally posted by SquallX
Because Muslims has never slaughtered Christians?


Lets just all kill each other. Except Atheists. They get to avoid the slaughter fest.

Originally posted by SquallX
Because Muslims has never slaughtered Christians? I even mention Boko Haram, what a myopic individual you are.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lets just all kill each other. Except Atheists. They get to avoid the slaughter fest.

We should just nuke everything and go back to might controls everything.

I'm also glad that things are getting better in Africa. I hope they will continue, and I think that the US and Europe should both aid developments there. I'd say that the subjugation and exploitation of the African continent did not stop with the end of colonial rule. Cambridge economist Ha-Joon Chang lays out this argument very well in his book Bad Samaritans. In short he says that the western countries were able to implement beneficial trade agreements to themselves as well loosening or destroying protections of local businesses and people through usage of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and the World Trade Organization (WTO). He shows how generally fast growth in the countries falling victim to these impositions significantly slowed, often to half what it was before. So the successes in the third world are great, but they could have come much earlier if it wasn't for a covert form of economic colonialism implemented.

Originally posted by Artol
I'm also glad that things are getting better in Africa. I hope they will continue, and I think that the US and Europe should both aid developments there. I'd say that the subjugation and exploitation of the African continent did not stop with the end of colonial rule. Cambridge economist Ha-Joon Chang lays out this argument very well in his book Bad Samaritans. In short he says that the western countries were able to implement beneficial trade agreements to themselves as well loosening or destroying protections of local businesses and people through usage of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and the World Trade Organization (WTO). He shows how generally fast growth in the countries falling victim to these impositions significantly slowed, often to half what it was before. So the successes in the third world are great, but they could have come much earlier if it wasn't for a covert form of economic colonialism implemented. 422 million people live below the global poverty line in Africa. Or 70% of the continent. 15 countries are involved in some kind of war, dont get me started on disease and corruption. The grids in multiple countries have got worse even and inflation in Nigeria was through the roof before covid 19, then you have minor things like the south african xenophobia attacks and the Niger slave trade.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
422 million people live below the global poverty line in Africa. Or 70% of the continent. 15 countries are involved in some kind of war, dont get me started on disease and corruption. The grids in multiple countries have got worse even and inflation in Nigeria was through the roof before covid 19, then you have minor things like the south african xenophobia attacks and the Niger slave trade.

Yeah. And global warming will hit many regions in Africa most significantly as well. I am pretty worried that even the gains that have been made will be lost.

Originally posted by Artol
Yeah. And global warming will hit many regions in Africa most significantly as well. I am pretty worried that even the gains that have been made will be lost. Trust me the gains are not what people outside Africa think, honestly. And yes desertification is going to be a huge issue.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Trust me the gains are not what people outside Africa think, honestly. And yes desertification is going to be a huge issue.
I totally agree with that as well. I believe that a lot of the improvements are vastly overstated for ideological reasons.

Not just in Africa either, people in the west are constantly being told how much better everything is now, how the economy is so great, and all the gains that have been made, and yet they work zero hour contracts always being afraid to not be able to afford their next meal, or they get thrown out of their homes by council cuts or landlords taking advantage of runaway real estate prices. Or they work jobs they suspect are complete bullshit and don't understand why, never achieving any fulfillment. Or they have no more human connections in their life, only work and consumption, the public spheres having been mainly eliminated. Or they see their companies sponsor pride events, but then also contribute money to politicians that would just as well criminalize gay sex again.

I believe neoliberal capitalism has fundamentally failed humanity. And there is a happiness industry trying to tell us that the ruling classes pissing on us is actually sweet rain.

Double post.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
You hope for the day Europeans move to Africa for opportunities? You mean "opportunities" like being killed, having their land wrongly taken away from them with no compensation, and just overall experiencing widespread racial discrimination like what's going on in South Africa for white people and has been for years? Yet it is all basically ignored by our media?


Thanks, but no thanks. Suppose it's not nearly as bad in other African countries but I'd never personally take the chance. I have all the opportunities I need right here in America.

I think you are misunderstanding what Scribble meant. He's saying it would be nice if Africa was a place that had similar opportunities and similar safety to Europe and the United States.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lets just all kill each other. Except Atheists. They get to avoid the slaughter fest.


Atheist dictators are responsible for far more bloodshed than all religions combined.

Originally posted by SquallX
We should just nuke everything and go back to might controls everything.


"Might makes right" is basically the law of Darwinian evolution anyway. Not that I believe in that Darwin nonsense of course.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Is that a Protestant God or a Catholic god?


There is only the Christian God. That is the God of the Bible.

Originally posted by Artol
I think you are misunderstanding what Scribble meant. He's saying it would be nice if Africa was a place that had similar opportunities and similar safety to Europe and the United States.

And it is improving, especially in recent times.

Yes, as Whirly says (and has seen), there is a hell of a lot of work ahead and there are still many atrocities, but that's not to say that it will always be like that. Plenty of other parts of the world have improved substantially and become vastly safer in recent decades.

Originally posted by Scribble


And it is improving, especially in recent times.

Yes, as Whirly says (and has seen), there is a hell of a lot of work ahead and there are still many atrocities, but that's not to say that it will always be like that. Plenty of other parts of the world have improved substantially and become vastly safer in recent decades. But the Governments are less corrupt, most countries do not have enough mineral wealth to support everyone, but they have enough for the political class to live like kings.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
But the Governments are less corrupt, most countries do not have enough mineral wealth to support everyone, but they have enough for the political class to live like kings. I agree, I just think there's hope for things to change, and I think there are plenty of signs that things are already changing. Things will never be perfect, but Africa as a whole is safer and less entrenched in poverty than it was 50 years ago, hell even 20 years ago, so even if progress is slow, it's happening, right?

Originally posted by Scribble
I agree, I just think there's hope for things to change, and I think there are plenty of signs that things are already changing. Things will never be perfect, but Africa as a whole is safer and less entrenched in poverty than it was 50 years ago, hell even 20 years ago, so even if progress is slow, it's happening, right? the problem is the tribal nature in many of these countries stops progress when you have as many die as in the Igbo uprising it takes generations for things to fully settle. Also, in some countries the wealthy enjoy have for want if a better word "slaves".

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
the problem is the tribal nature in many of these countries stops progress when you have as many die as in the Igbo uprising it takes generations for things to fully settle. Also, in some countries the wealthy enjoy have for want if a better word "slaves". There's not 'want of a better word', man, slavery still exists in Africa. It's really sad.

Again though, I agree and these kinds of histories are hard to overcome, I just have hope that it is possible. Colonialism set Africa back, and then capitalist / corporatist colonialism has hit it pretty hard too; but if the wealth divide and poverty levels are already dropping, it is possible.

I think there are things that the west could do to help, too. That's its own topic tho, I guess

Originally posted by Scribble
There's not 'want of a better word', man, slavery still exists in Africa. It's really sad.

Again though, I agree and these kinds of histories are hard to overcome, I just have hope that it is possible. Colonialism set Africa back, and then capitalist / corporatist colonialism has hit it pretty hard too; but if the wealth divide and poverty levels are already dropping, it is possible.

I think there are things that the west could do to help, too. That's its own topic tho, I guess there is full on slavery, then there is wage slavery, mostly the latter. I've seen full on and wage slavery in other places too. Both the middle east and India particularly. I saw girls in cages being sold in India twenty five years ago. Young and pretty, not out of my price range either. Sickening, clean a couple of them up and they would have looked like Bollywood actresses... people are not nice generally.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Atheist dictators are responsible for far more bloodshed than all religions combined.


Secular dictators yeah. We dont need religion to be violent.

I disagree, squall. It has everything to do with it. "Might makes right" has always been at the core of Darwinian evolution nonsense.