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The two most populous nations on Earth. Two Nuclear superpowers...

Are really not getting on.

You may have missed all this in America, the land where international geography is as esoteric as alchemy. What are peoples thoughts?

My money's on China

India is more ruthless and underhanded.


It also has the most millionaires in the world of any single country.



Or is that billionaires?


They're rich, however it is.

Would be a mess. China has the better equipped military but India is no push over.

Pakistan would probably get involved too.

Originally posted by cdtm
India is more ruthless and underhanded.


It also has the most millionaires in the world of any single country.



Or is that billionaires?


They're rich, however it is.


Disagree strongly with your first sentence.

China would a** stomp India into Oblivion. I don't like China but it's quite obvious to me China would win against India.

The US would likely back India over China if push came to shove.


Our tech market is 99% Indian h1-b's. Many are executives in powerful corporations.


Silicon Valley has a LOT of pull, enough to beat out Hollywood in the digital rights wars getting Obama to take their side.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
The two most populous nations on Earth. Two Nuclear superpowers...

Are really not getting on.

You may have missed all this in America, the land where international geography is as esoteric as alchemy. What are peoples thoughts?

dur

Originally posted by cdtm
The US would likely back India over China if push came to shove.


Our tech market is 99% Indian h1-b's. Many are executives in powerful corporations.


Silicon Valley has a LOT of pull, enough to beat out Hollywood in the digital rights wars getting Obama to take their side.

Well, yeah... if the United States gets involved directly China would get its ass kicked even w/out India. If you meant getting involved indirectly by sending them weapons and other stuff then I still think China would win.

I'd bet on China, they're wealthier and spend about 4-5 times as much on their military. They're also experts are stealing other countries technology.

Can't see either going to all out war though, just be costly for both. There would have to be some serious political trigger for that.

From Al Jazeera, which is pretty good for Asian news.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/india-china-tensions-time-beijing-pivot-asia-200627103442232.html

China is so fixed on the US, it may lose India
Amid rising tensions with India, China needs to focus on its immediate neighbourhood.

India and China are engaged in economic and strategic competition in South Asia and beyond. The two countries are stuck in a classic "security dilemma". Whenever one attempts to consolidate its position near the border, the other side views it as a security threat. In addition, the involvement of third parties, such as Pakistan's close ties with China and the US's efforts to entice India into its new cold war with China, has made the situation more complex and difficult to handle.

These factors will not disappear anytime soon. A certain degree of rivalry is expected, but it will not necessarily lead to confrontation between India and China. The challenge for Indian and Chinese leaders is how to maximise their common interests and maintain cooperation in times of adversity.

As the two largest developing nations, India and China share many interests such as promoting domestic growth, safeguarding regional stability, combating persistent poverty, and dealing with climate change. Both also desire to play a more active role in international affairs. Their common interests obviously outweigh their differences. The last thing they need is a war which would doom both their domestic and international ambitions.

China's 'pivot' to Asia
In response to China's rise, in the early 2010s, President Barack Obama's administration developed a foreign policy strategy called "pivot" to refocus US diplomacy to the Asia Pacific region after a decade of the so-called war on terror in the Middle East.

It is now time for China to "pivot" to Asia, as US-China rivalry intensifies and the international environment becomes more hostile. It serves China's interest to improve relations with its Asian neighbours instead of heavily concentrating on the US. India should be a priority of this new approach.

Global anti-China sentiment has reached its highest since the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown due to the outbreak of COVID-19 and China's assertive "wolf warrior" diplomacy. China already has frosty relations with Australia and Japan, faces challenges in the South China Sea, Taiwan and Hong Kong, and is experiencing the lowest point in its relations with the US and Canada.

Like elsewhere, some Indians blame China for the spread of the coronavirus. The border clash further damaged its image in India.

What exactly happened in the Galwan Valley on June 15 that led to casualties of Indian and Chinese soldiers remains murky, with contradictory claims from the two sides. China must deal with a nationalistic neighbour prudently, as calls for boycotting Chinese goods and cancelling contracts with Chinese businesses grow louder in India.

Amid growing US-China rivalry, the Trump administration has attempted to consolidate the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, known as "the Quad", with Japan, Australia and India. It has urged New Delhi to play a bigger role in Indo-Pacific affairs.

Unlike Japan and Australia, which are already firmly in the US camp, India has been cautious not to offend China, even as it beefs up ties with the US. If Beijing reacts to the border clash as raucously as New Delhi does, it runs the risk of raising animosity between the two countries and pushing India further into the US embrace, giving Washington an edge in boxing in Beijing. India's formal participation in America's new cold war against China will be a strategic nightmare for China.

To avoid creating too many enemies and pushing India closer to the US, China will have to de-escalate tensions with India. The Chinese leadership may not have a consensus on how to handle the border crisis, but no one wants to be blamed for "losing" India. It is possible that President Xi Jinping is trying to rein in aggressive impulses of some Chinese diplomats and generals.

The channels of communications are open between the two governments and the two militaries, and the leaderships on both sides seem cool-headed and are still committed to peacefully resolving the dispute.

Why is all that interesting? Because these two countries are the future.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Why is all that interesting? Because these two countries are the future.

It's possible India will go to team US in the next 2-6 years, from a China standpoint.

Though where would that leave Russia and India relations?

Originally posted by Robtard
It's possible India will go to team US in the next 2-6 years, from a China standpoint.

Though where would that leave Russia and India relations? Russia are China's ***** in many ways, India if you like is the most strategic player on that continent. Also if you ever want a cheap, great holiday with the Mrs, take her to Kerala. It is the worlds secret jewel destination. Trust me on this.

I've wanted to visit India for a long time now. The extreme poverty of the poor their aside, it looks beautiful and amazing from pics and videos.

Originally posted by Robtard
I've wanted to visit India for a long time now. The extreme poverty of the poor their aside, it looks beautiful and amazing from pics and videos. no everywhere is poor, the new part of Mumbai is like Dubai.

Kerala is literally Gods own country, beaches, mountains, waterways, tea, coffee rubber plantations and a decent home brewed beer is 5 bottles for a dollar....

Just as an aside, due to these conflicts Indians are getting rid of apps like tictok and many other chinese apps.

China atm seems stretched thin with what it wants to accomplish and it's claims in the china sea (ludicrous claims alienating malaysia, vietnam, phillipines etc) and what it hopes to accomplish with its land locked neighbors.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
no everywhere is poor, the new part of Mumbai is like Dubai.

Kerala is literally Gods own country, beaches, mountains, waterways, tea, coffee rubber plantations and a decent home brewed beer is 5 bottles for a dollar....

I've watched some videos on the Golden Temple and it's kitchen services, flippin amazing.

The world needs to eat more dhal curry, I eat lentils nearly daily because of the cuisine I've learned about from India and the power of the internets!

Originally posted by snowdragon
Just as an aside, due to these conflicts Indians are getting rid of apps like tictok and many other chinese apps.

China atm seems stretched thin with what it wants to accomplish and it's claims in the china sea (ludicrous claims alienating malaysia, vietnam, phillipines etc) and what it hopes to accomplish with its land locked neighbors. Yeah read that today. It's flying under the radar with COVD19, the u.s. election, BLM, Russia vs the UK and Trumps war on woke and social media, but it's the big one.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Why is all that interesting? Because these two countries are the future.


US is really in a pickle here.


We're so desperate to stay on their good side, we bend the knee figuratively and literally just to keep them happy. We lose either of them, we lose period.


Best hope is this works itself out diplomatically.