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Many kinds of libertarian exist, which is why when a person says they are a libertarian they may well be alt lite in sheeps clothing, the same can be said for non progressive liberal, old fashioned liberal and classic Democrat, which is similar to present republican in the US. Libertarian conservatism advocates the greatest possible economic liberty and the least possible government regulation of social life, mirroring laissez-faire classical liberalism, but it harnesses this to a belief in a more social conservative philosophy emphasizing authority and duty. Not that liberal is it? Let's look at the libertarian left. Left libertarianism is a fairly recently coined term for a fairly old idea. Those people who embrace this view agree with other libertarians in holding that individuals should be free. They regard each of us as full self property owners. However, they differ from what we generally understand by the term libertarian in denying the right to private property. We own ourselves, but we do not own nature, at least not as individuals. Left libertarians embrace the view that all natural resources, land, oil, gold, trees, and so on should be held collectively. This sort of idea appeals to many with otherwise very far right ideas like some of the hunting and shooting lobby in the US. Left or Right Libertarian, is probably far from being a centrist. Funny thing is, on you tube and other platforms, these guys do anything to pretend they are not the light Alt-lite they are. It's easy to do because many people are simply ignorant.

Definitions of Libertarian amalgamated to form a coherant line of thought with panache from wiki.

When you copy paste you should at least give the author credit.

Originally posted by snowdragon
When you copy paste you should at least give the author credit. only definitions are copied and pasted and amalgamated with my own commentary using elan from wiki. So wiki is the reference. Happy?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
only parts are copied and pasted and amalgamated with elan from wiki. So wiki is the reference. Happy?

It's your post, to bad it's just not original and you propogate more than originate ideas.

Originally posted by snowdragon
It's your post, to bad it's just not original and you propogate more than originate ideas. hmm, definitions amalgamated with flair to form a coherant line of thought from wiki. Sorry you don't like it

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
hmm amalgamated with flair to form a coherant line of thought from wiki. Sorry you don't like it

Seperate it out then, I mean in this day and age we need a better troll so take some pride in your troll and split it up and own it.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Seperate it out then, I mean in this day and age we need a better troll so take some pride in your troll and split it up and own it. no, definitions are amalgamated with commentary. You define yourself as a Libertarian, am I right? Grammarly gives it 74% originality by the way with its plagiarism checker. Just so you know.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
no definitions are amalgamated with commentary. You define yourself as a Libertarian, am I right?

You constantly dodge whats presented to you, always.

Seperate it out then, I mean in this day and age we need a better troll so take some pride in your troll and split it up and own it.

Just do your own diligence and when you're called on it don't try and pivot to the other person.

Originally posted by snowdragon
You constantly dodge whats presented to you, always.

Seperate it out then, I mean in this day and age we need a better troll so take some pride in your troll and split it up and own it.

Just do your own diligence and when you're called on it don't try and pivot to the other person. 74% originality is fine. You are a Libertarian am I right?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
74% originality is fine. You are a Libertarian am I right?

Obviously I'm a democrat, I want UBI, UHC and other issues so that has to make me a democrat, left of the left......I was behind Andrew Yang.

Neither of those benefit me, they just work to benefit our in equal class system.

Interesting talking points you found.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Obviously I'm a democrat, I want UBI, UHC and other issues so that has to make me a democrat, left of the left......I was behind Andrew Yang.

Neither of those benefit me, they just work to benefit our in equal class system. O.K. I'm a trades unionist, welfare state European Socialist. I believe in safety nets and equality.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
O.K. I'm a trades unionist, welfare state European Socialist. I believe in safety nets and equality.

I'm not really democrat even if I subscribe to yang. I am of the opinion we need to balance our political poles and that can mean green party for me or libertarian but not generally ascribed ot a main party element.

One of the problems we face is individuals like yourself weaponizing terms to move the spectrum. By associating libertarian with alt right you deliberatly know you are looking to weaponize.

You are generally a bad faith actor trolling.

Originally posted by snowdragon
I'm not really democrat even if I subscribe to yang. I am of the opinion we need to balance our political poles and that can mean green party for me or libertarian but not generally ascribed ot a main party element.

One of the problems we face is individuals like yourself weaponizing terms to move the spectrum. By associating libertarian with alt right you deliberatly know you are looking to weaponize.

You are generally a bad faith actor trolling. Nah, the big problem is people avoiding identifying this link and allowing "old fashioned liberals" and many "libertarians" to pretend they are not alt lite at least. Btw I have over 4 trillion ad hominem posts aimed at my accounts on KMC. I find reading them quite reaffirming.

"Alt-lite" is a made-up term, doesn't serve much useful function. Basically just a smear term for anyone with opinions the Left wishes to demonise.

Critical of Islam? Alt-lite. Critical of PC culture? Alt-lite. Etc.

Shit newspeak terminology used only to divide further. Basically anyone with right-leaning opinions or even just traditional liberal ethics is complicit in literal Nazism to the Left now.

Originally posted by snowdragon
One of the problems we face is individuals like yourself weaponizing terms to move the spectrum. By associating libertarian with alt right you deliberatly know you are looking to weaponize.

You are generally a bad faith actor trolling. Correct. Don't worry, they'll end up with so few allies that they'll just stop winning elections. Which is a shame, because we need a functioning opposition, but it'll be by their own design.

All terms are made up by someone. The problem with online rightists, be they "libertarians", Trumpers or the type of people you get here. No names till November is they often use the argument "it's all just a joke" but can't accept the counterbalance to this stance and reply by reeeeeeeeee Whirly!

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
All terms are made up by someone. The problem with online rightists, be they "libertarians", Trumpers or the type of people you get here. No names till November is they often use the argument "it's all just a joke" but can't accept the counterbalance to this stance and reply by reeeeeeeeee Whirly!

You start with thoughts then end in troll. No one on this forum trolls as hard as you do. It makes it impossible to engage you since you continually fall to the nonsensicle troll mode.

When your goal is to provide a panacea to the right but you continually go low haning fruit you do nada.

Originally posted by snowdragon
You start with thoughts then end in troll. No one on this forum trolls as hard as you do. It makes it impossible to engage you since you continually fall to the nonsensicle troll mode.

When your goal is to provide a panacea to the right but you continually go low haning fruit you do nada. I disagree, what I think you mean is, "Whirly why are you so interested that obviously distasteful comments from the right against weak targets through posts, draw less fire from a significant proportion of barely literate posters on KMC than comments from leftist posters like Robtard and yourself?" I would think the reason is obvious and you would understand why it's a thread that runs through my entire posting history, account to account. I get the "reeeeeeeee Whirly trolling" reaction though!

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I disagree, what I think you mean is, "Whirly why are you so interested that obviously distasteful comments from the right against weak targets through posts, draw less fire from a significant proportion of barely literate posters on KMC than comments from leftist posters like Robtard and yourself?" I would think the reason is obvious and you would understand why it's a thread that runs through my entire posting history, account to account. I get the "reeeeeeeee Whirly trolling" reaction though!

First I wouldn't include rob's posts with yours. Second I've already addressed the fact you don't act in good faith to discuss topics. There is no reee except in your mind.

Originally posted by snowdragon
First I wouldn't include rob's posts with yours. Second I've already addressed the fact you don't act in good faith to discuss topics. There is no reee except in your mind. I think what you mean is Whirly your statement is logical but I don't or can't acknowledge that. It's O.K. I see the cognitive dilemma. You are stuck in ad hominem mode.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I think what you mean is Whirly your statement is logical but I don't or can't acknowledge that. It's O.K. I see the cognitive dilemma. You are stuck in ad hominem mode. yeah ok

reeeeeeeeee

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Many kinds of libertarian exist, which is why when a person says they are a libertarian they may well be alt lite in sheeps clothing, the same can be said for non progressive liberal, old fashioned liberal and classic Democrat, which is similar to present republican in the US. Libertarian conservatism advocates the greatest possible economic liberty and the least possible government regulation of social life, mirroring laissez-faire classical liberalism, but it harnesses this to a belief in a more social conservative philosophy emphasizing authority and duty. Not that liberal is it? Let's look at the libertarian left. Left libertarianism is a fairly recently coined term for a fairly old idea. Those people who embrace this view agree with other libertarians in holding that individuals should be free. They regard each of us as full self property owners. However, they differ from what we generally understand by the term libertarian in denying the right to private property. We own ourselves, but we do not own nature, at least not as individuals. Left libertarians embrace the view that all natural resources, land, oil, gold, trees, and so on should be held collectively. This sort of idea appeals to many with otherwise very far right ideas like some of the hunting and shooting lobby in the US. Left or Right Libertarian, is probably far from being a centrist. Funny thing is, on you tube and other platforms, these guys do anything to pretend they are not the light Alt-lite they are. It's easy to do because many people are simply ignorant.

Definitions of Libertarian amalgamated to form a coherant line of thought with panache from wiki.


Citation:

Libertarian Conservatism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_conservatism

Which is a brand of libertarianism on the right of the political compass.

Libertariansm encomposses anything from far left libertariansm (anarchists) to far right libertarians (the libertarian conservatives you describe).

The reason you didn't cite your source is because you're trying to:

1. Gaslight the conversation to be about libertarians because you want to target me, specifically, because I talk about some of my libertarian positions. You're hoping to get a response and trigger me. Which is odd: I'm never triggered except when I post stuff in the triggered thread where I jokingly indicate I am triggered. You've gotta stop this obsession with me. It's starting to get disturbing.

2. You want to get responses from people on the forum who are not Auth-Leftists such as Surtur, Scribs, Silent Master, etc.


This is classic Whirly trolling. The type of Whirly trolling that was from the late 2000s.



But if you're interested in not shitting on your own political ideologies (based on your posting history, you'd be in the green quadrant where Silent Master and I are but you'd be further down and left). Edit - I'm wrong. You're an Aut-Left based on a clarifying post you made, later. You're in the Mao, Pol Pot, and Stalin quadrant.


Here's a simplified graph that does a decent job of putting political ideologies on the political compass (but did receive some minor criticism when it was posted):
https://i.imgur.com/yVhg6TC.png


And here's a very detailed political compass that also received minor criticism:
https://i.imgur.com/qA98XPM.png

You broke the page and now I hate you forevah.

Originally posted by snowdragon
You broke the page and now I hate you forevah.

Other forums allow embedded images to be clickable thumbnails.

This is a problem of KMC running outdated vBulletin versions and not the embedded images.

Hell, even 10 years ago, on other forums, I could specify the images be "clickable thumbnails." It was a feature many years ago. That's how old KMC's code is.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
reeeeeeeeee

Your lack of a rebuttal is noted.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Other forums allow embedded images to be clickable thumbnails.

This is a problem of KMC running outdated vBulletin versions and not the embedded images.

Hell, even 10 years ago, on other forums, I could specify the images be "clickable thumbnails." It was a feature many years ago. That's how old KMC's code is.

Are you saying KMC is outdated? Madness.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Citation:

Libertarian Conservatism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_conservatism

Which is a brand of libertarianism on the right of the political compass.

Libertariansm encomposses anything from far left libertariansm (anarchists) to far right libertarians (the libertarian conservatives you describe).

The reason you didn't cite your source is because you're trying to:

1. Gaslight the conversation to be about libertarians because you want to target me, specifically, because I talk about some of my libertarian positions. You're hoping to get a response and trigger me. Which is odd: I'm never triggered except when I post stuff in the triggered thread where I jokingly indicate I am triggered. You've gotta stop this obsession with me. It's starting to get disturbing.

2. You want to get responses from people on the forum who are not Auth-Leftists such as Surtur, Scribs, Silent Master, etc.


This is classic Whirly trolling. The type of Whirly trolling that was from the late 2000s.



But if you're interested in not shitting on your own political ideologies (based on your posting history, you'd be in the green quadrant where Silent Master and I are but you'd be further down and left). Edit - I'm wrong. You're an Aut-Left based on a clarifying post you made, later. You're in the Mao, Pol Pot, and Stalin quadrant.


Here's a simplified graph that does a decent job of putting political ideologies on the political compass (but did receive some minor criticism when it was posted):
https://i.imgur.com/yVhg6TC.png


And here's a very detailed political compass that also received minor criticism:
https://i.imgur.com/qA98XPM.png have you cited every source for your word salad DDM? Do I care? NO! I get why the truth about Libertarianism might cause such a long attempt at gaslighting in reply.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Citation:

Libertarian Conservatism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_conservatism

Which is a brand of libertarianism on the right of the political compass.

Libertariansm encomposses anything from far left libertariansm (anarchists) to far right libertarians (the libertarian conservatives you describe).

The reason you didn't cite your source is because you're trying to:

1. Gaslight the conversation to be about libertarians because you want to target me, specifically, because I talk about some of my libertarian positions. You're hoping to get a response and trigger me. Which is odd: I'm never triggered except when I post stuff in the triggered thread where I jokingly indicate I am triggered. You've gotta stop this obsession with me. It's starting to get disturbing.

2. You want to get responses from people on the forum who are not Auth-Leftists such as Surtur, Scribs, Silent Master, etc.


This is classic Whirly trolling. The type of Whirly trolling that was from the late 2000s.



But if you're interested in not shitting on your own political ideologies (based on your posting history, you'd be in the green quadrant where Silent Master and I are but you'd be further down and left). Edit - I'm wrong. You're an Aut-Left based on a clarifying post you made, later. You're in the Mao, Pol Pot, and Stalin quadrant.


Here's a simplified graph that does a decent job of putting political ideologies on the political compass (but did receive some minor criticism when it was posted):
https://i.imgur.com/yVhg6TC.png


And here's a very detailed political compass that also received minor criticism:
https://i.imgur.com/qA98XPM.png

He's a troll, he doesn't care about the truth.

I hail from the cult of rothbard, and by extension a hoppean as well.

What's amusing about libertarians is how much of a coincidence it is that the stuff they want freedom from government interference on is stuff they like to do and the stuff they're happy for the government to regulate is stuff they don't like others doing.

It's almost like it's not about individual's right but just about their own individual rights.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
What's amusing about libertarians is how much of a coincidence it is that the stuff they want freedom from government interference on is stuff they like to do and the stuff they're happy for the government to regulate is stuff they don't like others doing.

It's almost like it's not about individual's right but just about their own individual rights. That is Libertarianism in a nutshell No graphs needed.

Rules for thee, none for me.