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Yes, the democrats have never cared about the truth.

I had an idea for a video on this very topic.

It's why technocrats should rule - the best available science governs the decisions. If your position is wrong because better science comes along: update it.

OP: Couldn't agree more. The primary purpose of a belief system is Pacifier: to make us feel, at the very least, secure; at best, powerful. If it also fits the facts, all the better, but facts aren't necessary. In fact, often they're a hindrance.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, the democrats have never cared about the truth.

It isn't a Republican or Democratic thing, it's a human thing. People like you are the problem.

Originally posted by Mindship
OP: Couldn't agree more. The primary purpose of a belief system is Pacifier: to make us feel, at the very least, secure; at best, powerful. If it also fits the facts, all the better, but facts aren't necessary. In fact, often they're a hindrance.

Exactly

Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
It isn't a Republican or Democratic thing, it's a human thing. People like you are the problem.

For the last several years, it has been mostly a democrat thing. just look at Russia-gate and the current riots.

My political beliefs are simple equality for all under the law regardless of race or religion a fair days pay for a fair days work, fair taxationnd social care including state health care and pension based on national insurance contributions, people can top up extra if they wish.

Originally posted by Silent Master
For the last several years, it has been mostly a democrat thing. just look at Russia-gate and the current riots.

Try to look at the big picture. Anyone blindly who stands behind one political party or ideology, in any country, is stupid. Try to look objectively at individual politicians and what they stand for and what they do.

I'll use Trump as an example. I have opposed him from the beginning and while I still don't like most things about him I do like the way he has been reluctant to use military force around the world, far less than ALL of his predecessors.

Only idiots say everything about "their side" is good and the "other side" is bad. All humans and most human ideas are fallible.
Then there are the "liberal" and "conservative" ideas.

Examples, I support universal healthcare (with restrictions). I believe environmental issues should take precedence over almost everything. I support abortion rights but ONLY during the first trimester. I am opposed to capital punishment.

I strongly support gun rights BUT with some restrictions. I believe people who are capable of working should, even if those jobs "don't pay enough".

Immigrants? Welcome them but NO handouts.

There are lost of others but I think I've made my point.

I am looking at the big picture.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I am looking at the big picture.

Specific examples, please.

You cited "current riots" in an earlier post.

Yes, there is some of that going on, but what you don't acknowledge is that most of the protesters are peaceful demonstrators.


Using the same argument I could point out the far-right white supremacist demonstrations in Lynchburg a few years ago even though the vast majority of white people don't fall into that category either.

Your views seem to be a prime example of tribalism.

See, you're doing it now. I'm talking specifically about the riots and you're trying to deflect the conversation. because you don't want to deal with the truth of what the rioters are doing.

Originally posted by Silent Master
See, you're doing it now. I'm talking specifically about the riots and you're trying to deflect the conversation. because you don't want to deal with the truth of what the rioters are doing.

B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T

You are deliberately deflecting from the bigger picture. I did acknowledge riots are happening but they are a small minority.

The whole point of this thread is to show how people use emotions, rather than logic and reason, when performing their political views. I am guilty of too, but at least I admit it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
See, you're doing it now. I'm talking specifically about the riots and you're trying to deflect the conversation. because you don't want to deal with the truth of what the rioters are doing. No, you want to focus on culture wars rather than overarching ideology, and where that comes from which is the point of the thread.

Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T

You are deliberately deflecting from the bigger picture. I did acknowledge riots are happening but they are a small minority.

The whole point of this thread is to show how people use emotions, rather than logic and reason, when performing their political views. I am guilty of too, but at least I admit it.

Yes, the bigger picture is how the MSM and certain government leaders are supporting and encouraging the riots and then turning around and using any kind of federal response to the rioters attacking federal property as political fodder because of their massive TDS.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, the bigger picture is how the MSM and certain government leaders are supporting and encouraging the riots and then turning around and using any kind of federal response to the rioters attacking federal property as political fodder because of their massive TDS.

I get it, Democrats bad Republicans good, in all things. Thanks for setting me straight

See, you asked for examples and when I gave them the first thing you did was try and deflect the conversation rather than have an honest debate. so much for you caring about truth and facts.

Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
I get it, Democrats bad Republicans good, in all things. Thanks for setting me straight

See, this is a rather emotional response. that has no basis in fact.

Originally posted by Silent Master
See, this is a rather emotional response. that has no basis in fact.

Yes it is

Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
Try to look at the big picture. Anyone blindly who stands behind one political party or ideology, in any country, is stupid. Try to look objectively at individual politicians and what they stand for and what they do.

I'll use Trump as an example. I have opposed him from the beginning and while I still don't like most things about him I do like the way he has been reluctant to use military force around the world, far less than ALL of his predecessors.

Only idiots say everything about "their side" is good and the "other side" is bad. All humans and most human ideas are fallible.
Then there are the "liberal" and "conservative" ideas.

Examples, I support universal healthcare (with restrictions). I believe environmental issues should take precedence over almost everything. I support abortion rights but ONLY during the first trimester. I am opposed to capital punishment.

I strongly support gun rights BUT with some restrictions. I believe people who are capable of working should, even if those jobs "don't pay enough".

Immigrants? Welcome them but NO handouts.

There are lost of others but I think I've made my point.

You ask us to be objective but you also seem to want us to ignore certain facts. An objective person would be able to note which party has been doing this more often lately. Unfortunately politics bleeds into everything.

But what restrictions for guns do you support? And I'd like you to answer keeping in mind what is happening around this country now. Especially in places like Seattle and Portland. The cops legit have more or less come out and said "you're on your own this weekend" in Seattle. In Portland the local authorities did nothing and the friggin feds needed to come in. I am curious if these change your views when it comes to any restrictions you wanted.

The lights go out every night and you have to be together emotionally.

Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T

You are deliberately deflecting from the bigger picture. I did acknowledge riots are happening but they are a small minority.

The whole point of this thread is to show how people use emotions, rather than logic and reason, when performing their political views. I am guilty of too, but at least I admit it.

He has a point. The Democrats are literally saying is okay to riot, to loot and hurt others based on their feelings. The fact that you refuse to see this is mind boogling.

Look at Chicago and the Black community as a whole. 13% of this country population is Black, yet we are responsible for 50% of the most violent of crimes.

That is part of the problem, where Democrats rules the Black communities through feelings.

Portland mayor legit joined in with them lol. Stow that "small minority" bullshit.

It's a small small small minority of people in this country who are white supremacists and yet the left acts like they are the god damn boogeyman, so I say nay thee: you will not use that excuse.

And the mayor acted like he left cuz he got tear gassed, but no the crowd turned against him and that is why he was escorted away.

We literally have democrats describing what is going on as fascism. It's insane. It's not Republicans doing this shit it is the democrats. Own it.

Originally posted by Surtur
You ask us to be objective but you also seem to want us to ignore certain facts. An objective person would be able to note which party has been doing this more often lately. Unfortunately politics bleeds into everything.

But what restrictions for guns do you support? And I'd like you to answer keeping in mind what is happening around this country now. Especially in places like Seattle and Portland. The cops legit have more or less come out and said "you're on your own this weekend" in Seattle. In Portland the local authorities did nothing and the friggin feds needed to come in. I am curious if these change your views when it comes to any restrictions you wanted. Originally posted by Surtur
Portland mayor legit joined in with them lol. Stow that "small minority" bullshit.

It's a small small small minority of people in this country who are white supremacists and yet the left acts like they are the god damn boogeyman, so I say nay thee: you will not use that excuse.

And the mayor acted like he left cuz he got tear gassed, but no the crowd turned against him and that is why he was escorted away.

We literally have democrats describing what is going on as fascism. It's insane. It's not Republicans doing this shit it is the democrats. Own it.

Hmm, sorry I posted this, most still don't get it and want to make it about a single issue. I'll go away again.

Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
Hmm, sorry I posted this, most still don't get it and want to make it about a single issue. I'll go away again.

We want to make it about the most pressing issue right now.

But I also asked you about gun restrictions and what restrictions you want and if the recent riots and the lack of response from local authorities has changed that.

I mentioned multiple issues and instead of addressing them, you left.

The problem with this idea is that it ignores that human beings are inherently emotional creatures. Most of the decisions we make in life are based on how we feel - the friends we have, the things we believe, the people we love and hate. These are not things bast on logic or science, they are based on feeling. Politics is largely the same. Most people vote for someone based on personality and how much they like them or that they're drawn to a certain aspect of their personality. Likewise, the opposition party tends to excude more emotion in their political stances than the party in power. This is true now among democrats with Trump and it was true of republicans back when Obama was president. The vitriol both presidents endured was largely an emotional response mong those who opposed him for various reasons.

The greatest example of this on a global scale is religion. I'd argue that religion is the single most influential creation in human history, it is more responsible for the current state of the world than anything, and religion by its nature is a purely emotional response. It has no basis in logic, or science or facts, there is nothing to support a supernatural creator, but the vast majority of people on this planet believe in such things because they like the way it makes them feel.

We aren't robots, we never will be. This is why there are so few scientists in positions of political power, they can give more facts and logical responses than anyone, but they don't know how to give themselves the charisma neccessary to excel at politics.

No matter what you know in life new life makes newer facts.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, the democrats have never cared about the truth.

What a totally normal thing for a totally normal person to say. Tell us again how you are left-leaning, and how you supported three different Democrats in the primaries, so we can all laugh.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, the bigger picture is how the MSM and certain government leaders are supporting and encouraging the riots and then turning around and using any kind of federal response to the rioters attacking federal property as political fodder because of their massive TDS.

Oh, "TDS." Another totally normal thing that a totally normal left-leaning person like you would say. Want to say something else stupid for the hattrick?

A message of fact can be lost. The emotion can be right instead.

Being left-leaning and blind are two different things, why should I ignore what is on full display?