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Wonder Woman (witching hour) vs sun dipped Superman (JL 25)

Superman, even without sundip.


Wonder Woman can never, EVER defeat Superman.

WW

Superman.

What is this for a terrible mismatch, Witching Hour Wonder Woman just snaps with her fingers and the whole Kryptonian race comes first back to life and then dies together with Supes.

Originally posted by cdtm
Superman, even without sundip.


Wonder Woman can never, EVER defeat Superman.

Lol is that so:

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And yes i know that's just in Death Earth, but Witching Hour Wonder Woman is obviously far beyond all but the most powerful versions of Supes.

WW stomps

Superman thinks only way to save ww is to to defeat her. So he punches WW hard and both Hecate and Upside Down man die.

Superman

Originally posted by Diesldude
Superman thinks only way to save ww is to to defeat her. So he punches WW hard and both Hecate and Upside Down man die.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Superman

Am i missing some weird meta-joke, or have Superman fanboys now just completely lost their minds?

The best thing a sun-dipped Supes ever did was under ultra special circumstances after flying in a special realm through countless suns physically rocking the World-Forger, even that would be barely enough to beat a not jobbing Nabu and Hecate or the Upside-Down-Man would barely register him as more than some annoying super-powered insect and just snap him away.

Also what's wrong with the link-system?

Originally posted by gunchar
Am i missing some weird meta-joke, or have Superman fanboys now just completely lost their minds?

The best thing a sun-dipped Supes ever did was under ultra special circumstances after flying in a special realm through countless suns physically rocking the World-Forger, even that would be barely enough to beat a not jobbing Nabu and Hecate or the Upside-Down-Man would barely register him as more than some annoying super-powered insect and just snap him away.

Also what's wrong with the link-system?
Are you saying Nabu/Hecate or Upside Down Man are more powerful than World Forger?

upside down man could be

Tiny suns don't forget

That he flew through at 5293483 times the speed of light.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
That he flew through at 5293483 times the speed of light.


This is why you never see Superman One Million anymore. After a million years in the sun, he'd have beaten Perpetua with a finger flick.

Wonder Woman should win

How?

By losing.

Good call

witchin hour wondy is much superior

world forger feat is very controversial, the editor said he didn't destroy the multiverse. but that's it's neither here nor there

sundipped supes has other feats though, if we count post crisis, vera blalck with worlogog and imperiex comes to mind

depends on OP, if we only consider JL 25, WHWW easily

if we consider the whole history, WHWW by a hair

Superman destroyed the World Forger's masterpiece (multiverse). He wins.

Even OWAW sundipped Superman would be most powerful than Wondie.

he really wouldn't, the power of hecate can end everything, it's the source of all magic in dc multiverse. Superman is not handling the magic on that level

I'm gonna move away from the world forger feat, it's discussed till ad nauseam, but the editor has confirmed it wasn't the multiverse he destroyed. in this instance editor has the final say. which makes sense, superman destroyed the anvil. he wouldn't murder a multiverse of people

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ca877c25b822e85d59dd57d365a4a0b1

The tweets are inadmissible, isn't? Anyway, the intention is pretty obvius, Superman did it.

the best you can argue is superman destroyed the multiverse indirectly as a side effect of destroying the anvil of WF, and even then it's iffy as hell

doesn't really help him that much in this fight though

If the multiverse is at stake, Superman will save Wonder woman and defeat Hecate and Upside down man with the power of story.
If not, Superman will be stomped.

Who gives a shit if he destroyed the multiverse or not?

He laid out the sixth dimensional being who created the entire Marvel Multiverse as well as the Dark Multiverse, which is what spawned the Upside Down Man, who is the dark reflection of the magic Hecate created.

He's a cosmic being far higher on the hierarchy than Hecate or UDM, yet Superman left him unconscious and with a black eye.

Sound stupid? It is, but it's the Superman being used in this thread.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Who gives a shit if he destroyed the multiverse or not?

He laid out the sixth dimensional being who created the entire Marvel Multiverse as well as the Dark Multiverse, which is what spawned the Upside Down Man, who is the dark reflection of the magic Hecate created.

He's a cosmic being far higher on the hierarchy than Hecate or UDM, yet Superman left him unconscious and with a black eye.

Sound stupid? It is, but it's the Superman being used in this thread.

marvel multiverse?

Dark Multiverse is not World Forger's creation, and Upside Down Man came from the same realm of Great Evil Beast. the otherkind were eating the entire magic of dc multiverse like candies, not only that they one shotted first of fallen, one of the most powerful angels in creation.

Superman only gave World Forger a black eye, he's not beating a full power WF in sixth dimension let's be honest

PS: I love you Neme, come back to us

Superman one shots.

Originally posted by MrMind
marvel multiverse?

Dark Multiverse is not World Forger's creation, and Upside Down Man came from the same realm of Great Evil Beast. the otherkind were eating the entire magic of dc multiverse like candies, not only that they one shotted first of fallen, one of the most powerful angels in creation.

Superman only gave World Forger a black eye, he's not beating a full power WF in sixth dimension let's be honest

PS: I love you Neme, come back to us carver got your pw? WW had the mark of Hecate, this doesn’t put her over Superman.

Originally posted by deft
The tweets are inadmissible, isn't? Anyway, the intention is pretty obvius, Superman did it.

Lol... no he didn't.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Who gives a shit if he destroyed the multiverse or not?

He laid out the sixth dimensional being who created the entire Marvel Multiverse as well as the Dark Multiverse, which is what spawned the Upside Down Man, who is the dark reflection of the magic Hecate created.

He's a cosmic being far higher on the hierarchy than Hecate or UDM, yet Superman left him unconscious and with a black eye.

Sound stupid? It is, but it's the Superman being used in this thread.

We have next to non durability showings for Forger. Wonder Woman wins here.

Diesldude is a funny guy. I want to click on his ridiculous post so bad. Im fighting the urge.

I'd advise you not to witness yourself getting owned carver

Lol... it wasn't a multiversal or universal punch. He just surprised punched WF, thats all. Lol at Diesldude mentioning a planet being tossed. Antimonitor who was the combination of World Forger, Antimonitor and the Monitor during the same story, under the same writer was knocked for a loop and forced from their merge and was heavily damaged from a car explosion, lol.

We need JBLs writer friends to confirm

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... it wasn't a multiversal or universal punch. He just surprised punched WF.

Shut up.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/uploaded.tu?upload_id=w2sr6xebwd0ifk4t4pg6

Originally posted by Stoic
Why would you ignore writer intent? If the very people that wrote the book said something, you can't turn around and spin it your way. Think about it. If you write a story, and the people that read it, did not fully comprehend what you wrote, and you in turn clarify your intent and correct them, but they want to continue believing something that did not happen, who do you believe? You believe the writer. Right?



It wasn't a multiversal punch Diesl. The officials of DC clarified their intent. You can deny it if you like, but according to the writer, it wasn't what happened.

no snyder the writer said he destroyed the multiverse
https://tinyurl.com/wrn44n5


it's the editor that said he didnt

Originally posted by MrMind
no snyder the writer said he destroyed the multiverse
https://tinyurl.com/wrn44n5


it's the editor that said he didnt

That scan was proved to be fake.

proof?

Wait. What's real and what isn't?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... it wasn't a multiversal or universal punch. He just surprised punched WF, thats all. Lol at Diesldude mentioning a planet being tossed. Antimonitor who was the combination of World Forger, Antimonitor and the Monitor during the same story, under the same writer was knocked for a loop and forced from their merge and was heavily damaged from a car explosion, lol. this is lowballing at its worst. The brothers were tying to separate from the anti monitor and the car was the final straw. How was WF surprised when he saw him coming from light years, ordered Lois to shoot him and then rushed to his anvil knowing Superman was on his way.

Scans showing them trying to separate "during the time they were merged". Provide proof.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Shut up.

Durability feats for WW with the mark? Anyone have them?

Please post scans proving they wanted to separate. The question is simple. Provide scans showing DURING THE TIME THEY WERE MERGED that they wanted to separate and allowed a car to make it happen.

Lol... you have nothing. Guess we are done

So Carv doesn't have Diesl on ignore?

TBF I think he just has logic on ignore.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
TBF I think he just has logic on ignore. yes because it never agreed with him.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Who gives a shit if he destroyed the multiverse or not?

He laid out the sixth dimensional being who created the entire Marvel Multiverse as well as the Dark Multiverse, which is what spawned the Upside Down Man, who is the dark reflection of the magic Hecate created.

He's a cosmic being far higher on the hierarchy than Hecate or UDM, yet Superman left him unconscious and with a black eye.

Sound stupid? It is, but it's the Superman being used in this thread.

Well it sure was a big deal to y'all when you thought he did it. 🤣 In fact, y'all talked quite a bit of shit about it I do believe.

And does DC ever explain exactly what the difference between dimensions is? If someone could point me somewhere I do like that part of DC much better than Marvel's.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Shut up.

To be honest, until when I wrote that post I also thought it was as that's how I read it.

The point though is, it doesent really matter why they say it. Just that they said it.

Regardless it's such an outlier and specific circumstances it really shouldn't be used that much to debate with anyway

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
We need JBLs writer friends to confirm One already did👍

Poor Superman fans butthurt because Superman didn't destroy a multiverse. They lied for months. Lol. Now they are coming up with every excuse in the book to save face.lol. WW STOMPS.

Originally posted by JBL
One already did👍

How long did he have you on hold? I hope you didn’t call him at 2am when you lurk here

Superman kills her as the side effect of one punch. Next.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Superman kills her as the side effect of one punch. Next.

TwdwHaYdoBM

where's the proof of WF being orders of magnitude more powerful than Hecate?

and do you actually think sundipped superman can beat full power world forger in a all out fight?

Originally posted by MrMind
where's the proof of WF being orders of magnitude more powerful than Hecate?

and do you actually think sundipped superman can beat full power world forger in a all out fight?
What's Hecate's best feat supposed to be? She is created from the concept of magic that World Forger created in the multiverse. He is actually her creator.

Originally posted by MrMind
where's the proof of WF being orders of magnitude more powerful than Hecate?

and do you actually think sundipped superman can beat full power world forger in a all out fight?

I had the same thought. Very good question. Superman is one of the greatest fictional heroes, but he is consistently written to rely on help like all of the rest. He's actually in my top 5 favorites. It's a shame when people blow him up to proportions that was never intended. In the very same arc in question, the heroes lose a mock battle against Apex Lex and his band of villains. Superman was among those heroes. He's a real badass, but all characters can lose, and eventually will lose in these stories.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What's Hecate's best feat supposed to be? She is created from the concept of magic that World Forger created in the multiverse. He is actually her creator.

1. WF is not who WHWW is fighting
2. no evidence WF created magic
3. Hecate is the source of all magic in dc multiverse, the power of hecate can end everything

Superman wins and TOBA Hulk dies by the collateral damage.

WW stomps

Why are you spamming Carver, you already said the same thing on the first page

Originally posted by MrMind
1. WF is not who WHWW is fighting
2. no evidence WF created magic
3. Hecate is the source of all magic in dc multiverse, the power of hecate can end everything
Superman one punched World Forger.

Of course he did create magic. It was he who created every concept in the multiverse.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman one punched World Forger.

Of course he did create magic. It was he who created every concept in the multiverse.

the energy of the multiverse came from perpetua

he gave WF a black eye, thats it

to one punch someone you need to destroy them with one punch, kinda like saitama

Originally posted by MrMind
the energy of the multiverse came from perpetua

he gave WF a black eye, thats it

to one punch someone you need to destroy them with one punch, kinda like saitama
She created the multiverse, the concepts were created by Forger.

One punch ko.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She created the multiverse, the concepts were created by Forger.

One punch ko.

Witchmarked Diana taps into the multiversal power of Hecate. which was said to be the source of all magic in the DC Multiverse,

one the most powerful myth god in all of creation. constantine said she was the most powerful god who walked the earth, and that includes all pantheons of gods including Zeus or Hades, gods like Zeus himself has universal feats, who live above orrery of worlds. in dc, pantheon gods true form exist beyond the traditional third dimensional universes, and hecate is even above that.

Hecate accidently created DC's godly pantheons spread the magic in DC's multiverse, which include the Lords of Order And Chaos. we saw Mordru one of the chaos lord, puts a tiny fraction of his power in a gem that can split the universe in half. the same gem was used by wondy later to restore magic in the multiverse. We saw Nabu and lords of order shattering dimensions like breaking glasses (which include higher dimensional realms that infinitely dwarfs the 3rd dimensional multiverse)

Hecate created a magical barrier around DC's whole normal multiverse to protect it from the dark multiverse. She was defeated by the upside down man, who came from dark multiverse and they are a group called the other kind, who one shot the first of fallen, one of the most powerful angel in existence. and was consuming the magic in the entire dc multiverse like eating candies.

when hecate was newborn. she changed the whole concept of magic after getting pissed off on a whim, and then also put the fear into each and every pantheon god.

Rama Kushna fleed in panic from witchmarked wondy, who had just parts of Hecate's power. and have not yet become full witching hour. Rama Kushna herself is multiversal in nature. On the brink of her death, Rama almost caused the collapse of every universe (reign in hell). Exists in the Sphere of the Gods, a higher plane of existence than the Orerry of Worlds which contains the 5-dimensional Bleed. Exists in a dimension 2 steps removed from the normal multiverse. she perceives infinite dimensions and higher realms in dc. a being like her, was scared of witchmarked wonder woman.

Witching Hour Wonder Woman is Wonder Woman taps into Hecate's power, she literally changed the Underworld as her first action. Underworld is also reside in sphere of the gods, infinitely dwarfs the traditional dc third dimension infinite multiverse.

to comprehend how big the sphere of the gods are, any realm in sphere of the gods, view mortal universes as tiny bubbles in the air.

the power of hecate can end everything (in this context, the dc multiverse)

https://i.imgur.com/8SkvPfL.jpg

DC's magic side is seriously overpowered to the extreme. There are around 50 beings right now walking the dc earth can unthink all of reality on a whim.

https://i.ibb.co/4WXNKpp/8hdmzMM.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/c6h8rWR/aJUbJ2p.jpg

Should we take the fact that everything in DC come from Superman into consideration?
Even if Dr Manhattan erased everything, DC still restarted from the story of Superman.

Originally posted by MrMind
Witchmarked Diana taps into the multiversal power of Hecate. which was said to be the source of all magic in the DC Multiverse,

one the most powerful myth god in all of creation. constantine said she was the most powerful god who walked the earth, and that includes all pantheons of gods including Zeus or Hades, gods like Zeus himself has universal feats, who live above orrery of worlds. in dc, pantheon gods true form exist beyond the traditional third dimensional universes, and hecate is even above that.

Hecate accidently created DC's godly pantheons spread the magic in DC's multiverse, which include the Lords of Order And Chaos. we saw Mordru one of the chaos lord, puts a tiny fraction of his power in a gem that can split the universe in half. the same gem was used by wondy later to restore magic in the multiverse. We saw Nabu and lords of order shattering dimensions like breaking glasses (which include higher dimensional realms that infinitely dwarfs the 3rd dimensional multiverse)

Hecate created a magical barrier around DC's whole normal multiverse to protect it from the dark multiverse. She was defeated by the upside down man, who came from dark multiverse and they are a group called the other kind, who one shot the first of fallen, one of the most powerful angel in existence. and was consuming the magic in the entire dc multiverse like eating candies.

when hecate was newborn. she changed the whole concept of magic after getting pissed off on a whim, and then also put the fear into each and every pantheon god.

Rama Kushna fleed in panic from witchmarked wondy, who had just parts of Hecate's power. and have not yet become full witching hour. Rama Kushna herself is multiversal in nature. On the brink of her death, Rama almost caused the collapse of every universe (reign in hell). Exists in the Sphere of the Gods, a higher plane of existence than the Orerry of Worlds which contains the 5-dimensional Bleed. Exists in a dimension 2 steps removed from the normal multiverse. she perceives infinite dimensions and higher realms in dc. a being like her, was scared of witchmarked wonder woman.

Witching Hour Wonder Woman is Wonder Woman taps into Hecate's power, she literally changed the Underworld as her first action. Underworld is also reside in sphere of the gods, infinitely dwarfs the traditional dc third dimension infinite multiverse.

to comprehend how big the sphere of the gods are, any realm in sphere of the gods, view mortal universes as tiny bubbles in the air.

the power of hecate can end everything (in this context, the dc multiverse)

https://i.imgur.com/8SkvPfL.jpg

DC's magic side is seriously overpowered to the extreme. There are around 50 beings right now walking the dc earth can unthink all of reality on a whim.

https://i.ibb.co/4WXNKpp/8hdmzMM.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/c6h8rWR/aJUbJ2p.jpg
And World Forger wields the dimensional superstructure which governs everything, including magic.


He creates rules for every reality.

https://m.imgur.com/a/o4JtcvK

He wields dimensional superstructure which governs everything.

https://m.imgur.com/a/tcuoGzF

The very rules of existence are created by Forger, including magic.

it's still powered by the energy of perpetua, not world forger. it's her multiverse

https://i.ibb.co/fDBhFDX/GH5-Zr-Jb-AWPYTm-RLRX7-CG0-ON05-EFb-WGCplk-CUUs0p7-Yb-B773-SD9-DXSSr-YSh-Byy9aqv-R5yod-WH6-Mw-IG-WNM.jpg


I agree WF is more powerful than WHWW, not Superman

I've never read Witching Hour, nor do I know what it is, but I am enjoying this thread.

Originally posted by MrMind
it's still powered by the energy of perpetua, not world forger. it's her multiverse

https://i.ibb.co/fDBhFDX/GH5-Zr-Jb-AWPYTm-RLRX7-CG0-ON05-EFb-WGCplk-CUUs0p7-Yb-B773-SD9-DXSSr-YSh-Byy9aqv-R5yod-WH6-Mw-IG-WNM.jpg


I agree WF is more powerful than WHWW, not Superman
She created the multiverse, Forger created every concept in it.

Superman one punched koed him. If World Forger is more powerful than WW, he would ko her as well.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She created the multiverse, Forger created every concept in it.

Superman one punched koed him. If World Forger is more powerful than WW, he would ko her as well.

he punched WF when WF was paying attention striking the anvil

this fight WW and Supes are facing head on

any sort of one punch superman trying to perform will be anticipated

Forger looked directly at Superman before Superman punched him out.

Diana would be the same.

answer this question

sun dipped superman vs full power world forger

who wins?

Originally posted by abhilegend
She created the multiverse, Forger created every concept in it.

Superman one punched koed him. If World Forger is more powerful than WW, he would ko her as well.

Abhi, was that WF's true form? I thought that he was in a severely weakened form before he and his brothers took on Perpetua?

Superman punched WF at the sixth dimension, so WF was at full power

Originally posted by abhilegend
Forger looked directly at Superman before Superman punched him out.

Diana would be the same. Funny, it was stated that Supermans punch amplified by several Suns temporarily stunned WF.

Originally posted by JBL
Funny, it was stated that Supermans punch amplified by several Suns temporarily stunned WF.

Do you have scans that say his punch was amplified by several suns?

Yeah, if this is going to turn in to another "Is the WF feat genuine or not" thread, stop now. I can just close it if y'all can't stay on topic.

Originally posted by JBL
Funny, it was stated that Supermans punch amplified by several Suns temporarily stunned WF.
Your point being?