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And it was all caught on camera.

So far we don't know the cause, they are saying nothing points to terrorism.

BREAKING: MASSIVE Explosion in Beirut Caught on Camera

Footage of the explosion:

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10 dead apparently

Why was the video deleted?

Originally posted by Blakemore
Why was the video deleted?

The video has apparently now been set to private.

Here is another clip showing the explosion from multiple angles:

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Terrible

Seems very similar to what happened in Tianjin.

Up to 70 dead now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/aug/04/beirut-explosion-huge-blast-port-lebanon-capital

Originally posted by carthage
Up to 70 dead now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/aug/04/beirut-explosion-huge-blast-port-lebanon-capital

Yup, and nearly 3,000 injured.

I'm already seeing conspiracy theories spreading about how this wasn't really a firecracker factory.

However, if you watch the footage you can clearly see the place on fire and you can see firecrackers going off before the explosion.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm already seeing conspiracy theories spreading about how this wasn't really a firecracker factory.

However, if you watch the footage you can clearly see the place on fire and you can see firecrackers going off before the explosion.

https://twitter.com/LadyVelvet_HFQ/status/1290735703366696965?s=09

so was it not a firecracker factory then or wut

Someone else is claiming Ammonium Nitrate

https://i.imgur.com/VTIf3Xp.jpg

cry

This is horrible. I feel for the families of those killed by this.

Did u watch the video? Looks like firecrackers going off before it explodes man.

A cache of weapons would probably have a similar effect though before the big explosion.


Now that I think about it, it's hard for me to imagine fireworks causing an explosion that big and damaging and Broly is right about Hezbolah operating there.

Maybe someone put thermite in there set off the fuse and legged it?

Originally posted by Surtur
Did u watch the video? Looks like firecrackers going off before it explodes man.

Remember your source and think about their lies

Originally posted by Surtur
Did u watch the video? Looks like firecrackers going off before it explodes man.

Supra could be right.

High-heat fires can cause stockpiled ammo to go off and sound like really like blackcats going off.

This stuff:

https://i.imgur.com/qLo9lHw.jpg

I think you're right. The "critical temperature" explosion more closely matches a stored materials/chemicals explosion than things like IEDs. IEDs and bombs have a MUCH more violent (initial blast velocity) than this fire. It was a big explosion, yes. But it "expanded" slowly compared to some of the larger car bombs and IEDs.

The fact that Trump, the POTUS, supposed responsible leader of the free world, legit went on TV like a walking tabloid magazine and tried to imply this was a bomb, when every source and indication makes it clear it was an accidental chemical explosion, is exactly why Pedo Joe seems like a more competent candidate.

Originally posted by Lestov16
The fact that Trump, the POTUS, supposed responsible leader of the free world, legit went on TV like a walking tabloid magazine and tried to imply this was a bomb, when every source and indication makes it clear it was an accidental chemical explosion, is exactly why Pedo Joe seems like a more competent candidate.

The fact people are dead and some still manage to make this about crying over something Trump did isn't really shocking, but it is unfortunate.

Should Trump have speculated? No, neither should the media have speculated over Russiagate for 3 years. Focus, this is not about Trump it is about Beirut.

Now onto things with this story that *actually* matter: unfortunately now we have over 100 dead.

It's being blamed on 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/beirut-explosion-death-toll-could-top-100-ammonium-nitrate-stash-blamed.html

Originally posted by Surtur
Now onto things with this story that *actually* matter: unfortunately now we have over 100 dead.

That's pretty damn terrible.

How did so many die?

Did anyone see the explosion?

Look up Texas City 1917 explosion..

I posted a clip of it on the previous page. It was huge.

Originally posted by Surtur
The video has apparently now been set to private.

Here is another clip showing the explosion from multiple angles:

93tV6-0Ugwk

Originally posted by Surtur
The fact people are dead and some still manage to make this about crying over something Trump did isn't really shocking, but it is unfortunate.

Should Trump have speculated? No, neither should the media have speculated over Russiagate for 3 years. Focus, this is not about Trump it is about Beirut.

First you try to say two wrongs make a right, then you try to say it's wrong point out someone's wrong. You REALLY are afraid to admit that you backed the wrong horse four years ago.

Also, your little "Think of the victims" doesn't work here, because if Trump thought about the victims, he wouldn't be on the news massively embellishing how they died. So if you can critique me for apathy, I can critique Trump.

Originally posted by Lestov16
First you try to say two wrongs make a right, then you try to say it's wrong point out someone's wrong. You REALLY are afraid to admit that you backed the wrong horse four years ago.

Also, your little "Think of the victims" doesn't work here, because if Trump thought about the victims, he wouldn't be on the news massively embellishing how they died. So if you can critique me for apathy, I can critique Trump.

*yawn* Okay, you've said your piece on how the orange man is bad and earned your inevitable thumbs up. Moving on.

Anyways, so 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate. I read that Timothy McVeigh used 2.4 tons of the same stuff to blow up that building in Oklahoma.

Kind of. He used ANFO which is different from straight Ammonium Nitrate.

Explosives are at their most efficient when the oxygen balance is as close to 0 as possible. Ammonium Nitrate is usually used to balance out other high explosives and usually needs a lot more quantity of it compared to the explosive used. The IRA used Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer to balance out

ANFO has an oxygen balance of -0.6 which is extremely close to zero anyway.

I absolutely detested doing ideal gas law and enthalpy calculations on this stuff during my undergrad.

Just gets worse:

Beirut blast: Tracing the explosives that tore the capital apart

So senior officials have known for over 6 years that this stuff was there and they knew it posed a danger too.

https://gifs.ninja/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/8957dbea828a412d68be941048efeea2.gif

this is horrible.

Hezbollah Will Not Escape Blame For Beirut

This op-ed is not saying that Hezbollah ordered some sort of attack, but rather that the reason the stuff wasn't removed from the city was Hezbollah's influence.

Originally posted by Surtur
Just gets worse:

Beirut blast: Tracing the explosives that tore the capital apart

So senior officials have known for over 6 years that this stuff was there and they knew it posed a danger too.

https://gifs.ninja/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/8957dbea828a412d68be941048efeea2.gif

https://twitter.com/A_J_Higgins/status/1291056060158169089?s=19

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I absolutely detested doing ideal gas law and enthalpy calculations on this stuff during my undergrad.

Is it because it felt pretty damn close to teaching young minds how to make bombs?

No. It's that I was always terrible at the theory and much better at the practice. 😄

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
No. It's that I was always terrible at the theory and much better at the practice. 😄

https://i.imgur.com/rHjHLUB.gif

https://i.imgur.com/TtJhks1.gif

Remember my undergrad was Forensic Science. It had a lot of practical stuff including several days with the army's bomb disposal team. We made suicide bomber vests, put them on a mannequin and accidentally blew up frogs that were using the mannequin for shade in the heat.

Alarm at Trump's unsubstantiated claim that Beirut blast was an 'attack'

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/05/donald-trump-beirut-explosion-remarks?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy

What a nut job.

Look at this picture

https://apnews.com/4475998de078a93bbe91b7ac9d43ada2

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Alarm at Trump's unsubstantiated claim that Beirut blast was an 'attack'

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/05/donald-trump-beirut-explosion-remarks?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy

What a nut job.

Remember when you said Trump conspired with Russia for 4 years?

Now that was truly nutty

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Remember when you said Trump conspired with Russia for 4 years?

Now that was truly nutty

They needed to find some way to use this tragedy to complain about Trump and it appears they did.

RIP.

Whirly wishes he was Trump

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Remember my undergrad was Forensic Science. It had a lot of practical stuff including several days with the army's bomb disposal team. We made suicide bomber vests, put them on a mannequin and accidentally blew up frogs that were using the mannequin for shade in the heat.

You were supposed to turn the frickin' frogs gay, not destroy them!

Originally posted by Lestov16
First you try to say two wrongs make a right, then you try to say it's wrong point out someone's wrong. You REALLY are afraid to admit that you backed the wrong horse four years ago.

Also, your little "Think of the victims" doesn't work here, because if Trump thought about the victims, he wouldn't be on the news massively embellishing how they died. So if you can critique me for apathy, I can critique Trump.



Nah,Trump was the right horse. You backed the wrong horse in Hillary. That b*tch would've killed us all with WW3 in her first year in office

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
We made suicide bomber vests, put them on a mannequin and accidentally blew up frogs that were using the mannequin for shade in the heat.

You're literally as bad as Trump
*smh
SHAME SHAME

Originally posted by carthage
You're literally as bad as Trump
*smh
SHAME SHAME

https://media.tenor.com/images/44a4502bdf29031b50b7392b60635390/tenor.gif

It's true you're worse than Trump

To use KMC's most used word.

https://media.tenor.com/images/63e8506e29b3903bcbad8d9b72940dc7/tenor.gif

On a more serious note: hundreds of people are still missing.

That's gotta be the worst part. The not knowing.

Given chemicals are involved does anybody know if rescue workers will be in any danger? As in, from fumes or anything?

Depends on exactly what was there. If it's ammonium nitrate it'll have been converted to nitrogen dioxide which is pretty bad when inhaled. If it's actually ammonium perchlorate then less so.

They are saying it's ammonium nitrate. 2,750 tons of it.

They say a lot of things though.

is it easy to mix up the nitrate and the perchlorate?

I just find it strange that there would be a warehouse full of seized "illegal" fertilizer in a country where people are starving cos they can't grow enough food and imports are restricted due to sanctions.

Mind you, the place is massively corrupt so who knows.

It also looks extremely similar to the Pepcon explosion in terms of the colour of the blast cloud and that was Ammonium Perchlorate

why would they lie about it? cuz it's making them all look bad

Maybe the info is just wrong.

I've seen some guys who work in mining and demo who use Ammonium Nitrate who say they get red clouds from it so it might be true. On the other hand there's tons of videos of the military destroying caches of Ammonium Nitrate in Iraq and Afghanistan and the explosions don't look similar.

We'll just need to wait for testing to confirm.

Videos are pretty nasty.

137 dead, ~5,000 wounded?

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Maybe the info is just wrong.

I've seen some guys who work in mining and demo who use Ammonium Nitrate who say they get red clouds from it so it might be true. On the other hand there's tons of videos of the military destroying caches of Ammonium Nitrate in Iraq and Afghanistan and the explosions don't look similar.

We'll just need to wait for testing to confirm.

When they demo those caches, they are using explosives that have much higher initial detonation velocities than NH4NO3.

Yeah it could be inefficient deflagration which would be less likely in a controlled detonation.

I'd still like to read the report once the investigation is done.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Yeah it could be inefficient deflagration which would be less likely in a controlled detonation.

I'd still like to read the report once the investigation is done.

Dew it!

And then summarize it for us laymen. I would love to know the details.


That's a lot of dead and injured.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Dew it!

And then summarize it for us laymen. I would love to know the details.


That's a lot of dead and injured.

https://i.insider.com/513f6b916bb3f7715c000012?width=750&format=jpeg&auto=webp

A video of a bride taking wedding photos as the blast goes off:

https://twitter.com/MikeLeslieWFAA/status/1291014077322534912

She is okay

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
https://i.insider.com/513f6b916bb3f7715c000012?width=750&format=jpeg&auto=webp

Thanks. I'll read after this meeting.

Originally posted by Surtur
A video of a bride taking wedding photos as the blast goes off:

https://twitter.com/MikeLeslieWFAA/status/1291014077322534912

She's gorgeous and has a rockin' bod. Lucky groom! Those fake eyelashes, though...

Glad they didn't die. Rather amazing, the blast wave.

Thermal imaging shows a missile strike right before explosion.


Could be fake.


Waiting for others corroborate. Don't even know this site. Looks shady.


https://www.marktaliano.net/videos-emerging-showing-possible-missile-strikes-on-beirut-harbour/


Others are posting twitter stuff to match up this thermal imaging. I don't see it.

https://twitter.com/homerborp/status/1291402545647063041

It's a bird

Lebanon's government steps down in wake of Beirut blast

I read about that.

Their president also said it was an attack. Getting real tired of the conflicting bullshit going on.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I read about that.

Their president also said it was an attack. Getting real tired of the conflicting bullshit going on.

Yeah, though I guess if it wasn't an option then the government is to blame so you might expect that to be said.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lebanon's government steps down in wake of Beirut blast


Disgusting.


Now isn't the time for a regime change. They should suck it up and handle the crisis, then change the guard.

There is no way they could have even truly completed an investigation.

Kinda sounds like Lebanon is being set up for a true dictatorship to take over. Crashing economy, food shortages, massive poverty and civil unrest. Just takes one "strong father figure" type to come in and make all the empty promises people want to hear.

Originally posted by Robtard
Kinda sounds like Lebanon is being set up for a true dictatorship to take over. Crashing economy, food shortages, massive poverty and civil unrest. Just takes one "strong father figure" type to come in and make all the empty promises people want to hear.

do you think it was an accident?

Originally posted by Robtard
Kinda sounds like Lebanon is being set up for a true dictatorship to take over. Crashing economy, food shortages, massive poverty and civil unrest. Just takes one "strong father figure" type to come in and make all the empty promises people want to hear.


Opposition is Hezbollah backed.

Originally posted by Surtur
do you think it was an accident?

I don't know. The official reasoning (or last I heard) of 2,750 tons of unstable chemicals left in neglect exploding is very possible, as similar has happened before in other parts of the world including America.

But Lebanese politics is highly corrupt and it's a hotbed area of the world, so it could have been intentional and set off to cause unrest and a regime change.

Originally posted by cdtm
Opposition is Hezbollah backed.


That adds another layer.

Originally posted by Robtard
That adds another layer.

Don't forget about this:

Originally posted by Surtur
Hezbollah Will Not Escape Blame For Beirut

This op-ed is not saying that Hezbollah ordered some sort of attack, but rather that the reason the stuff wasn't removed from the city was Hezbollah's influence.

Like I said, even though it sounds conspiracy-tin-foil-hat, it kinda looks like Lebanon is being set up for a dictatorship take over, some strongman promising everything to the people and taking control. That can be Hezbollah.

I feel it's a legitimate theory as of now, not that I believe it, but others here have floated it.

The circumstances here are murky, but then again it has only been a week.

-People starving
-Poverty level rising (said to be over half the population by the end of 2020)
-Economy crashing
-The rich/elites withdrawing their money out of Lebanese banks in the billions
-Massive civil unrest

Perfect recipe for a dictatorship take over.

We are heartbroken': Two-year-old boy named as Australian victim of Beirut explosion

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That's sucks on its own, but an explosion like that in a city, it's doubtful he's the only child victim.

She was 3, he was 2. Probably the youngest victims of this tragedy.

If this was an attack everybody involved needs to be f*cking slaughtered.

And if it wasn't an attack it just means it was negligence that robbed them from their families forever.

Originally posted by Robtard

-Poverty level rising (said to be over half the population by the end of 2020)
-Economy crashing
-The rich/elites withdrawing their money out of Lebanese banks in the billions
-Massive civil unrest

Perfect recipe for a dictatorship take over.

You pretty much just described NY as well

Do you think Rightist are doing it to force a regime change in NY then?

Not so much on civil unrest.


We aren't throwing firebombs yet.

Originally posted by Robtard
Do you think Rightist are doing it to force a regime change in NY then?

Of course not but they need some federal aid in this next stimulus package that's for sure.

Originally posted by Robtard
-People starving
-Poverty level rising (said to be over half the population by the end of 2020)
-Economy crashing
-The rich/elites withdrawing their money out of Lebanese banks in the billions
-Massive civil unrest

Perfect recipe for a dictatorship take over.

Yup. Left-Wing Authoritarians always rise up in those scenarios and end up killing millions.

They come on the horse of equality, improvement, and "fixing the system." But if you look inside the horse it's just a left-authoritarian dictatorship that ends up with a mountain of dead bodies.

Authoritarians of all stripes are dangerous to the people living under their rule and those of neighboring countries. But I don't see much of a threat of left-wing authoritarians gaining power in any developed country currently, and certainly not in the United States, while right wing extremists are in power in multiple countries already, and there is a very real danger of more getting into power.

Originally posted by Artol
Authoritarians of all stripes are dangerous to the people living under their rule and those of neighboring countries. But I don't see much of a threat of left-wing authoritarians gaining power in any developed country currently, and certainly not in the United States, while right wing extremists are in power in multiple countries already, and there is a very real danger of more getting into power.

Authoritarians of all stripes are dangerous to the people living under their rule and those of neighboring countries and left-wing Authoritarians, coming under the guise of saving the people, have the highest body counts of any rulers in all of human history. I don't see a threat of right-wing authoritarians gaining power in any developed country currently, and certainly not in the United States, while left wing authoritarians are in power in multiple countries already, and there is a very real danger of more getting into power as time goes on if the more moderate and conservative elements of the populations do not take a stand against these left-wing authoritarians.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Authoritarians of all stripes are dangerous to the people living under their rule and those of neighboring countries and left-wing Authoritarians, coming under the guise of saving the people, have the highest body counts of any rulers in all of human history. I don't see a threat of right-wing authoritarians gaining power in any developed country currently, and certainly not in the United States, while left wing authoritarians are in power in multiple countries already, and there is a very real danger of more getting into power as time goes on if the more moderate and conservative elements of the populations do not take a stand against these left-wing authoritarians.

Interesting. Let's leave aside the body count discussion for now. Which left wing authoritarians currently in power are you referring to? And which parties and movement do you fear are going to get into power in developed countries?

Originally posted by Artol
Interesting. Let's leave aside the body count discussion for now. Which left wing authoritarians currently in power are you referring to? And which parties and movement do you fear are going to get into power in developed countries?

I can't answer that because our definitions of left-wing authoritarians differ.

I consider any western nanny-state to be a left-wing authoritarian state.

That's nearly all of them.

And the US is moderate right, currently. We are seeing a shift into left wing authoritarianism. We have many elements of it already.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I can't answer that because our definitions of left-wing authoritarians differ.

I consider any western nanny-state to be a left-wing authoritarian state.

That's nearly all of them.

Oh ok, yeah, then we are talking about very different things.

Originally posted by Artol
Oh ok, yeah, then we are talking about very different things.

You do understand that I'm using the actual political science definitions, right?

This is why we are talking about different things.




You see, these western countries think they are Democratic Socialists or Progressivists. This is where you are.

But they are labourists, unionists, socialists, collectivists, dengism, maoism, and social nationalism.

The major differences being the authoritarian police states. They thing they are on the lower half the the political compass but they are not. They are on the top half in the authoritarian sector.


Edit - My post comes off as very condescending to you. That's not what I intended. I do not mean to condescend at you like you're an idiot. I feel most people believe the governments are on the libertarian side of the political compass. But due to the police states with high regulation, they are clearly on the authoritarian side if you look at it under strict political science lenses instead of the commonly understand language used to discuss these topics. I don't know how to make this less "assholey" in the way I worded the above stuff to you. Ignore it. Just think of it, as "dadudemon is just pointing out how the western countries that he calls 'nanny states' are authoritarian in nature when viewed from a political science lens." I hope that makes sense.

Also, it's better to meet people on their terms because the convo ends up like this. This is why I said I don't think it's possible to name specific countries for you since we are likely using different definitions for "nanny-states."

Originally posted by dadudemon
You do understand that I'm using the actual political science definitions, right?

This is why we are talking about different things.




You see, these western countries think they are Democratic Socialists or Progressivists. This is where you are.

But they are labourists, unionists, socialists, collectivists, dengism, maoism, and social nationalism.

The major differences being the authoritarian police states. They thing they are on the lower half the the political compass but they are not. They are on the top half in the authoritarian sector.


Edit - My post comes off as very condescending to you. That's not what I intended. I do not mean to condescend at you like you're an idiot. I feel most people believe the governments are on the libertarian side of the political compass. But due to the police states with high regulation, they are clearly on the authoritarian side if you look at it under strict political science lenses instead of the commonly understand language used to discuss these topics. I don't know how to make this less "assholey" in the way I worded the above stuff to you. Ignore it. Just think of it, as "dadudemon is just pointing out how the western countries that he calls 'nanny states' are authoritarian in nature when viewed from a political science lens." I hope that makes sense.

Also, it's better to meet people on their terms because the convo ends up like this. This is why I said I don't think it's possible to name specific countries for you since we are likely using different definitions for "nanny-states."

I hope you allow me a few questions to understand your position better. Are you suggesting that there is a consensus among the political scientific community that most Western countries (including the United States and United Kingdom) are left-wing authoritarian, or are you saying that you applied one of the definitions yourself and have found that all these countries fit the definition?

And accepting for the moment that countries like Sweden and the United States are also leftist authoritarian. Is there terminology that you use to differentiate the level of this "authoritarianism" between United States, Sweden and traditionally more left-wing authoritarian countries like the Soviet Union or Cuba?

Originally posted by Artol
I hope you allow me a few questions to understand your position better. Are you suggesting that there is a consensus among the political scientific community that most Western countries (including the United States and United Kingdom) are left-wing authoritarian, or are you saying that you applied one of the definitions yourself and have found that all these countries fit the definition?

And accepting for the moment that countries like Sweden and the United States are also leftist authoritarian. Is there terminology that you use to differentiate the level of this "authoritarianism" between United States, Sweden and traditionally more left-wing authoritarian countries like the Soviet Union or Cuba?

There's political science definitions and then there's what boffins pontificate about in academic opinion papers. Go by the definitions, they are left-wing authoritarians.

Also, I specifically stated the US is moderate right-wing with elements of libertarianism and authoritarianism.


To delve further into this topic, western countries, especially European countries who have mixed economies, are often called democratic socialists to varying degrees.


Well, dive into the actual political ideologies of democratic socialists:

https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/what-is-democratic-socialism/




Notice the common them on libertarian left-wingers is the reduction of government and the authoritarian frameworks they operate under?

Compare to social democracy which is often confused for democratic socialism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy




Notice a theme? One is libertarian and the other is authoritarian. One has the government being the master and commander and the other has the people. This is the difference and why I say the political science definitions clearly show how most western countries are left-wing authoritarian. The US appears to be moderate right-wing authoritarian.



Hence, this:

https://i.imgur.com/h0Qv6y0.png


I do not agree with every placement on that compass as Sanders would be far more authoritarian than he is on that chart based on his policies. And every other politician is skewed too far right and authoritarian. But that's at least a starting point.

Originally posted by Artol
Authoritarians of all stripes are dangerous to the people living under their rule and those of neighboring countries. But I don't see much of a threat of left-wing authoritarians gaining power in any developed country currently, and certainly not in the United States, while right wing extremists are in power in multiple countries already, and there is a very real danger of more getting into power.

IMO, Iraq is going to go back to a true dictatorship in the next 10-15 years. Maybe religious based.