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Peak Plutonian.

Sentry (no Void.)

Sentry wins.

Plutonian

Sentry. Even without going Void, he tanked Black Bolt's voice and overloaded Absorbing Man (not to mention treating a solid mid herald, Terrax, like a child).

Originally posted by zopzop
Sentry. Even without going Void, he tanked Black Bolt's voice and overloaded Absorbing Man (not to mention treating a solid mid herald, Terrax, like a child). I'm pretty sure non of those feats support Sentry winning. Otherwise, you are implying that Plutonian has no feats better than those.

Personally, the faster one wins this and that's Plutonian. Sentry would be a statue against someone with picosecond perceptions.

Sentry has got to be the most overrated character of all time

Dunno why this b list garbage gets so much hype throughout the years

Originally posted by MrMind
Sentry has got to be the most overrated character of all time

Dunno why this b list garbage gets so much hype throughout the years

Hes overrated by you because he is a Marvel character.

Anyways, this fight is a split.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm pretty sure non of those feats support Sentry winning. Otherwise, you are implying that Plutonian has no feats better than those.

Personally, the faster one wins this and that's Plutonian. Sentry would be a statue against someone with picosecond perceptions.
Are you kidding me? Absorbing Man is op as phuck. He's absorbed all sorts of power types and artifacts with no issues, yet Sentry was a bridge too far for good ol' AM.

Terrax's geokinesis lifted the entire island of Manhattan into orbit, he's survived inside a super massive black hole for weeks and was actually getting the upper hand against a Galactus' amped Dazzler until Recorder boosted her power even more, he's destroyed an entire planet, he's gone toe to toe with Morg for extended periods of time, in a weakened body he fought off Nova/Firelord/Air Walker, in a weakened body he was winning against the New Warriors and Fantastic Four who were armed with Anti-Terrax weapons by Reed (it took the Silver Surfer to save them). Those feats alone sh|t all over anything Plutonian has done and yet Sentry treated him as a child unworthy of his attention.

I don't think I need to mention how haxx Black Bolt's voice is. Even people that undersell Marvel characters know what's up with him.

Originally posted by Galan007
Toward the end of the series, Tony was a BEAST.

For example, it took Modeus drawing energy from entire starS(and burning them out), just to harm Tony physically:
https://i.imgur.com/jQzsnk7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0HpSaWz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/c2XsYSV.jpg
"I don't have enough energy to fight you! But I can draw it from distant stars! For every moment I hold you down--for every blow you force me to land--an entire star system dies!"

What makes this feat even more impressive is that Tony wasn't fighting back -- he literally allowed Modeus to beat on him with power of that magnitude without even attempting to defend himself(Modeus had possessed the body of his love interest.) However, Modeus made it clear that IF Tony wanted to, he could've still easily beaten her:
https://i.imgur.com/iasf7gC.jpg


He also has other crazy feats like physically pushing Singapore under water, flying around the earth at high speed while holding an object that weighed as much as a neutron star, perceiving by the picosecond, tanking black hole-esque forces, stopping the moon from rotating by nullifying its inertia, demonstrating intangibility, etc. etc.

Modeus will never take control of the woman I'm obsessed with's body and use it to pummel and rape me. Why live?

You're not obsessed with women. Nice try, lol.

It's true, we don't love these hos.

plutonian wins.

Originally posted by MrMind
Sentry has got to be the most overrated character of all time

Dunno why this b list garbage gets so much hype throughout the years That's because Marvel has an Superman obsession, if they can't own him they will created characters based on him and TRY to make them more powerful than the original, and Marvel fan boys will follow suit and eat it up.

Plutonian wins. Sick feats as galan mentioned.

Why, thank you, M'Lady. I won't be staying long though.



https://imgur.com/a/SQ9ML

Yes, they used it at its full capacity. Half a black hole worth of force.

It's an amazing feat, but I don't think it's something out of the ordinary for even Marvel high heralds. If I remember correctly, then Thor flew into a black hole to grab Red Hulk and fly him out. So escaping its power strikes me as something high heralds can do consistently... and I'd always argue that the Plutonian and the Sentry are above the high herald level.

Well, that's certainly an... interesting line of thinking.

I'm still wanking the feat. Standing under the pull of half a black hole / the weight of a star system is an insane feat by regular comic book standards. It's not like comic book characters shatter nearby moons during all of their fights on distant planets. But every now and then they do it. Again, an insane feat.

Even withstanding the force of half a black hole is an insane feat and requires at least the herald level to do deal with it. But when it comes to high herald I don't think it's that big of a deal. We've seen Superman and Thor flying out of black holes. We've seen Silver Surfer fighting inside a black hole. And I'd argue that Plutonian is an even more powerful character. It's just that withstanding the pull of half a black hole is one of his greatest feats, so I brought it up. He arguably has even greater feats, which push his levels.



"in this case it was a hundred fold"

It's like you read the "hundred fold" and then stopped reading.
Continue reading and you'll see another warden saying that he wants the device at its maximum capacity. Before that he is warned that it would liquify the prisoners. They increase the capacity to the max, even state that and in the next scan we see most prisoners being liquified.

So yes, Plutonian withstood the entire pull of half a black hole. Casually, while being in a vegetative state. It's an insane feat not many comic book characters have.

I have no idea what you're crying about.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Well, that's certainly an... interesting line of thinking.

I'm still wanking the feat. Standing under the pull of half a black hole / the weight of a star system is an insane feat by regular comic book standards. It's not like comic book characters shatter nearby moons during all of their fights on distant planets. But every now and then they do it. Again, an insane feat.

Even withstanding the force of half a black hole is an insane feat and requires at least the herald level to do deal with it. But when it comes to high herald I don't think it's that big of a deal. We've seen Superman and Thor flying out of black holes. We've seen Silver Surfer fighting inside a black hole. And I'd argue that Plutonian is an even more powerful character. It's just that withstanding the pull of half a black hole is one of his greatest feats, so I brought it up. He arguably has even greater feats, which push his levels.



"in this case it was a hundred fold"

It's like you read the "hundred fold" and then stopped reading.
Continue reading and you'll see another warden saying that he wants the device at its maximum capacity. Before that he is warned that it would liquify the prisoners. They increase the capacity to the max, even state that and in the next scan we see most prisoners being liquified.

So yes, Plutonian withstood the entire pull of half a black hole. Casually, while being in a vegetative state. It's an insane feat not many comic book characters have.

I have no idea what you're crying about.

The black hole feat is not near his top feats though.
Tanking star powered punches without any harm is much better and having picosecond perceptions is even better (his best imo).

The picosecond perceptions is what makes Plutonian wins this fight since we all know he has the strength to ko Sentry.

....You don't ever read ANYTHING

@Enzeru, yeah diesl is kinda known for not fully comprehending something as simple as comics, it's why dudes like me take it easy with him

Originally posted by h1a8

Tanking star powered punches without any harm

It's like you people legit don't read the comics you want to talk about. And you wonder why I don't like responding to you.

https://i.imgur.com/Du6PjAV.jpg

Does that look like tanking star punches without any harm? The Plutonian was a bloody mess after the onslaught. He was done and helpless to a point, where he couldn't stop Modeus from raping him.

Originally posted by Enzeru
It's like you people legit don't read the comics you want to talk about. And you wonder why I don't like responding to you.

https://i.imgur.com/Du6PjAV.jpg

Does that look like tanking star punches without any harm? The Plutonian was a bloody mess after the onslaught. He was done and helpless to a point, where he couldn't stop Modeus from raping him.

You right. I was mistaken. But still a good feat I would say.

Who do you say wins this?

Originally posted by h1a8

You right. I was mistaken. But still a good feat I would say.

Who do you say wins this?

I'm not sure. It's too good and too even of a fight. In my mind it's a draw.

They both have slight advantages over the other in certain areas. Strength (probably) and speed (certainly) for the Plutonian. Toughness (certainly) and versatility / X-Factor (probably) for the Sentry.

Originally posted by h1a8
You right. I was mistaken. But still a good feat I would say.

Who do you say wins this?
Lol u r aSking enzeru who does he think win in a sentry thread

Originally posted by h1a8
The black hole feat is not near his top feats though.
Tanking star powered punches without any harm is much better and having picosecond perceptions is even better (his best imo).

The picosecond perceptions is what makes Plutonian wins this fight since we all know he has the strength to ko Sentry.

KO Sentry? Lol, Sentry had his head split wide open. Learn about who you're arguing against h1. Sentry under optimal conditions can't be KO'd if Bob doesn't allow it to be. Sentry is a thought construct. You didn't know this?

Originally posted by Stoic
KO Sentry? Lol, Sentry had his head split wide open. Learn about who you're arguing against h1. Sentry under optimal conditions can't be KO'd if Bob doesn't allow it to be. Sentry is a thought construct. You didn't know this?

Sentry has been koed against Bob's will.
Blue Marvel and WWH are just two such cases.

Sentry is a strange bird. Theres the Sentry that has low feats like the Blue Marvel, WWH, and the Helicarrier episode and then theres the Sentry that rips through dimensions, creates his own world, and destroys planets while fighting Photon.

Originally posted by h1a8
Sentry has been koed against Bob's will.
Blue Marvel and WWH are just two such cases.

He was weakened at that period. I did mention under optimal conditions.

Originally posted by h1a8

Sentry has been koed against Bob's will.
Blue Marvel and WWH are just two such cases.

Originally posted by Stoic

He was weakened at that period. I did mention under optimal conditions.

Context matters.

I mean, I've read every single Sentry comic multiple times and I would have to think really, really, really hard to come up with an instance, where Sentry straight up loss, without any weird circumstances being present.

Stoic is right... There was something off with the Sentry during the World War Hulk and Blue Marvel instance.
Against World War Hulk Sentry was weakened, since he was struggling with his mental issues. And his mental issues make him weaker and easier to defeat. He still took on one of the most powerful Hulks and fought him to a standstill.
Against Blue Marvel you had the Negative Zone leaking into the universe and messing with Sentrys power. Sentry was still pretty much winning the fight, told Blue Marvel to stand down, got flash KOed, returned and defeated Blue Marvel.

Even more important: Character development matters.

What some people are doing, is the same as if I said that Superman can't beat character XYZ, because he is only as fast as strong as a locomotive and as fast as a speeding bullet. That's by far not enough to defeat any modern powerhouse.
But at that point I'd have a legion of Superman fanboys calling me an idiot and saying that Superman evolved and gained more powers and more power since he was first introduced.

But they ignore the very same thing about the Sentry.

Name me an instance, where the Sentry was KOed again, after the fights against World War Hulk and Blue Marvel. Tough, isn't it? Why though?

Sentry fought the Molecule Man and got ripped apart. He immediately returned, defeated the Molecule Man and stated that he had now figured out how his powers work.And now look at some of his appearances afterwards:

Got his head sliced off by an empowered Captain America and continued fighting. Got hit by the lightning of an empowered Thor and continued fighting. Got hit by a nuke, while he was weakened and only reverted back to his human form. Ripped his own head apart and was still conscious. Got his brains smushed in by Thor and was still conscious. In a weakened state got the crap beat out of him by a Sentry level being and remained conscious.

It's like... At which point do you realize that the Sentry doesn't seem to care about KOs any longer? If you can rip your own head apart for laughs and giggles... If you don't get KOed after getting your brain smushed in... Then there is no way of KOing you. Stoic is right, when he says that the Sentry doesn't really exist any longer. He is one manifested persona of a schizophrenic reality warper, who can not be killed.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Why, thank you, M'Lady. I won't be staying long though.



https://imgur.com/a/SQ9ML

Yes, they used it at its full capacity. Half a black hole worth of force.

It's an amazing feat, but I don't think it's something out of the ordinary for even Marvel high heralds. If I remember correctly, then Thor flew into a black hole to grab Red Hulk and fly him out. So escaping its power strikes me as something high heralds can do consistently... and I'd always argue that the Plutonian and the Sentry are above the high herald level.
Thor didn't fly in the black hole. Just recently a black hole nearly killed pretty much every marvel cosmic hero including Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Just recently a black hole nearly killed pretty much every marvel cosmic hero including Silver Surfer.

One wrong does not undo multipe rights.

https://i.imgur.com/VeEJdPH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gZMsdFg.jpg

Silver Surfer has a better track record dealing with black holes fine than being severely endangered by them.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Context matters.

I mean, I've read every single Sentry comic multiple times and I would have to think really, really, really hard to come up with an instance, where Sentry straight up loss, without any weird circumstances being present.

Stoic is right... There was something off with the Sentry during the World War Hulk and Blue Marvel instance.
Against World War Hulk Sentry was weakened, since he was struggling with his mental issues. And his mental issues make him weaker and easier to defeat. He still took on one of the most powerful Hulks and fought him to a standstill.
Against Blue Marvel you had the Negative Zone leaking into the universe and messing with Sentrys power. Sentry was still pretty much winning the fight, told Blue Marvel to stand down, got flash KOed, returned and defeated Blue Marvel.

Even more important: Character development matters.

What some people are doing, is the same as if I said that Superman can't beat character XYZ, because he is only as fast as strong as a locomotive and as fast as a speeding bullet. That's by far not enough to defeat any modern powerhouse.
But at that point I'd have a legion of Superman fanboys calling me an idiot and saying that Superman evolved and gained more powers and more power since he was first introduced.

But they ignore the very same thing about the Sentry.

Name me an instance, where the Sentry was KOed again, after the fights against World War Hulk and Blue Marvel. Tough, isn't it? Why though?

Sentry fought the Molecule Man and got ripped apart. He immediately returned, defeated the Molecule Man and stated that he had now figured out how his powers work.And now look at some of his appearances afterwards:

Got his head sliced off by an empowered Captain America and continued fighting. Got hit by the lightning of an empowered Thor and continued fighting. Got hit by a nuke, while he was weakened and only reverted back to his human form. Ripped his own head apart and was still conscious. Got his brains smushed in by Thor and was still conscious. In a weakened state got the crap beat out of him by a Sentry level being and remained conscious.

It's like... At which point do you realize that the Sentry doesn't seem to care about KOs any longer? If you can rip your own head apart for laughs and giggles... If you don't get KOed after getting your brain smushed in... Then there is no way of KOing you. Stoic is right, when he says that the Sentry doesn't really exist any longer. He is one manifested persona of a schizophrenic reality warper, who can not be killed.

Are you suggesting that it was the writer's intention that Sentry was weakened in his fight with WWH and Blue Marvel?

Because that's the only thing that matters. Let's not pretend that these characters exist and we can find actual theories to explain stuff.

Originally posted by Enzeru
One wrong does not undo multipe rights.

https://i.imgur.com/VeEJdPH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gZMsdFg.jpg

Silver Surfer has a better track record dealing with black holes fine than being severely endangered by them.
That's one instance. Surfer has a very bad record when it comes to black holes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer gets owned by a black hole

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"Almost crushed to nothingness".


Originally posted by abhilegend
Not so fast Brandon.



Koed by a black hole again.

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Koed again by a black hole.

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That aside from the recent black hole stuff.

Lol, narration even states the exact opposite in WWH.

Sentry fanboys write their own comics.

Originally posted by h1a8

The writer gave no context in the WWH fight or the Blue Marvel fight as to why Sentry was able to be koed. Therefore, you are making shit up.

I never said he was KOed, because he was weakened. I said he was KOed, because at that point he didn't have his fight against the Molecule Man, where he realized what he was truly capable of. Show me Sentry getting KOed since then. You can't. Because it didn't happen again... even when he ripped his own head off and even when he got his brains smashed in. If that can't KO you, then nothing can.

You have yet to provide a different take on everything or offer another side of the story. You've done nothing besides making dumb statements from the beginning and not being able to back them off. "Well, the writer must have" is not an argument. I'm done replying to you for good.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor didn't fly in the black hole. Just recently a black hole nearly killed pretty much every marvel cosmic hero including Silver Surfer.

This guy comes in just to low-ball anything Marvel. Lol

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Lol, narration even states the exact opposite in WWH. Originally posted by abhilegend
Sentry fanboys write their own comics.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Lol, narration even states the exact opposite in WWH. yep.

there's a difference between how sentry is written vs. how powerful his "fans" try to make him be.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX

there's a difference between how sentry is written vs. how powerful his "fans" try to make him be.

Great, another time and energy vampire... Exactly what the KMC boards needed.

Sentry defeats the Void:

"Well yes, but actually no, because you see, the Sentry and the Void are two sides of the same coin and not two separate physical beings, so when the Sentry defeats the Void it's really more mental than physical, so it doesn't really count and besides that the Void can warp reality and the Sentry can't so it's even a bigger giveaway that Sentry never really defeated the Void on his own."

Sentry defeats the Molecule Man:

"Hehe yeah, one could easily be fooled by that, but you do need to realize that the Molecule Man was actually very depowered since we never saw him warping the entire multiverse during the fight and besides that he wanted to lose and besides that Sentry had access to his Void reality warping powers and even further besides that it was PIS."

Sentry mirrors the combined powers of over 100 heroes:

"You know, I've been lifting weights for 20 years now and in weight lifting there is something called a "spotter", which is basically when you do all the work and lift 95% of the weight and the spotter can take care of the 5% weight and allow you to make one more rep and besides that Sentry was empowered out of his mind by the Death Seed and the facts that the other Horsemen didn't receive the power boost and that the Death Seed doesn't give a person more power, but unlocks their very own potential are just editorial errors."

Sentry rips reality apart with his bare hands, tears two realities apart upon exploding and easily beats the living crap out of Beta Ray Bill, Nova and every other herald and their mother:

"Hahahahahahaha, these Sentry stans, bro, with their lies and made up stories, where the Sentry isn't some Schmo, who almost gets killed by Helicarriers."

yes, i know you like to endlessly wank sentry. that is well established.

i'm talking about his fight with wwh here, genius.

Let's not pretend we don't have a page full of people in this thread that doesn't wank.

Originally posted by Booya_69
This guy comes in just to low-ball anything Marvel. Lol
Lolwut? It's not my fault that Surfer's record against black holes is poor.

.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Death Seed does give characters more power. Rick Remender outright said so and we have seen a human Jean Grey with the death seed going toe to toe with celestial killers. Wolverine with death seed outright no sold Phoenix Force and oneshotted her.





You've been punked on it before idiot, why try to lie again?

Post the part where it says that the Sentry is a solidified figment or concept of Robert's imagination. Post the part of him dying... Wait, can he die? No it can't die, it's a concept. Understand what the Sentry is Abhi. It can't be KO'd if Bob doesn't allow it to be. There are several citations that support this fact. In the past, Robert did not know the full extent of his powers. In versus matches we don't use the characters at their weakest to build points against them, we use them at their best. It's like using Hal Jordan without a ring and two broken legs vs Quick Silver.

The Plutonium has no way of beating the Sentry if Robert Reynolds knows the full extent of his powers. This is not fan wank, it's what the Sentry is.

Originally posted by Enzeru
I never said he was KOed, because he was weakened. I said he was KOed, because at that point he didn't have his fight against the Molecule Man, where he realized what he was truly capable of. Show me Sentry getting KOed since then. You can't. Because it didn't happen again... even when he ripped his own head off and even when he got his brains smashed in. If that can't KO you, then nothing can.

You have yet to provide a different take on everything or offer another side of the story. You've done nothing besides making dumb statements from the beginning and not being able to back them off. "Well, the writer must have" is not an argument. I'm done replying to you for good.


Writer's intentions are everything.
But if your argument is NOW Sentry got an upgrade from the MM fight and he was never shown to be koed again AND we use the latest versions then good.

You are now debating. What took you so long?

Question : Can you post a scan of Sentry getting his brains smashed in without losing consciousness? Did that happen after the MM incident?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Wolverine with death seed outright no sold Phoenix Force and oneshotted her.

I think out of all the dummy-dumm-dumms on this site you're by far my favorite one. I've been making a fool out of you for years now and you still haven't learned your lesson. On the opposite, every time you read my name your insecurities kick in, you decide to give it a new shot and you end up failing again.

I love how you always leave out context in hopes people, who lack knowledge will not know what's up and side with you. Unfortunately that's not how proper debating works.

https://i.imgur.com/K12VPFc.jpg

Wolverine had become the new Apocalypse of that reality and rocked the Apocalypse armor. You know, the armor, which was built by the Celestials and even further amplifies a characters power and especially their durability? So let's not pretend that the Death Seed alone meant a vast power increase for Wolverine. There is a difference between the power up from the Death Seed and when you become the next Apocalypse.

Look at Daken with the Death Seed and without the Apocalypse ascension, all written by the same writer:
https://i.imgur.com/0OOIpx7.jpg
Does that guy strike you as someone, who could defeat the Phoenix just like that? Eh.

And besides all of that, no one here is denying that the Death Seed doesn't amp the users powers. My point is, that it unlocks the mind of its user and allows them to tap into their full potential:
https://i.imgur.com/aB2Hp1l.jpg
So yes, Death Seed Sentry is more powerful than a regular Sentry, but still only because he uses all of the power the Sentry himself would have at his disposal, if he used 100% of it. And that speaks volumes for the Sentry.

Same with Jean Grey. It's almost as if an omega level mutant with the Death Seed and with the Apocalypse Armor becomes an insanely powerful character ?_? Yet you try to make it sound as if the Death Seed alone would do the same to any mutant ever (like for example you tried getting it through with Wolverine, while leaving out the Apocalypse armor part).

Also, since you like writers statements on topics so much:



Nice owning you, bro.

Originally posted by h1a8

Question : Can you post a scan of Sentry getting his brains smashed in without losing consciousness? Did that happen after the MM incident?

Well, I mean, the Sentry was regenerating from a single atom over and over again and was conscious throughout the entire process, just like the first time, when he burnt down to a skeleton and still heard the Void talking to him.

Prior to that and after the Molecule Man fight his wife shot through his head and it looked like he was dead, but he was still listening to her talk and theorize about him.

But yeah, sure, getting his brains smushed in also didn't stop him:
https://i.imgur.com/RgDEIHd.jpg

the sentry in this thread is the one who burned out fighting wwh. just saying.

Originally posted by Stoic
Post the part where it says that the Sentry is a solidified figment or concept of Robert's imagination. Post the part of him dying... Wait, can he die? No it can't die, it's a concept. Understand what the Sentry is Abhi. It can't be KO'd if Bob doesn't allow it to be. There are several citations that support this fact. In the past, Robert did not know the full extent of his powers. In versus matches we don't use the characters at their weakest to build points against them, we use them at their best. It's like using Hal Jordan without a ring and two broken legs vs Quick Silver.

The Plutonium has no way of beating the Sentry if Robert Reynolds knows the full extent of his powers. This is not fan wank, it's what the Sentry is.
What are you talking about now?

Originally posted by Enzeru
I think out of all the dummy-dumm-dumms on this site you're by far my favorite one. I've been making a fool out of you for years now and you still haven't learned your lesson. On the opposite, every time you read my name your insecurities kick in, you decide to give it a new shot and you end up failing again.

I love how you always leave out context in hopes people, who lack knowledge will not know what's up and side with you. Unfortunately that's not how proper debating works.

https://i.imgur.com/K12VPFc.jpg

Hey idiot, that's for Evanocalypse in 616 reality.

https://www.cbr.com/remender-and-noto-are-final-executioners-for-uncanny-x-force/

The Earth 295 reality Apocalypse, Wolverine and Jean Grey were solely powered by Death Seed.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rMAG2AlmWUY/VoJa5QdUv1I/AAAAAAAAaus/JhLKP43nnMc/s1600-Ic42/RCO003.jpg



Mind showing where Earth 295 Apocalypse armor enhanced powers you moron?

No, it doesn't. Death seed manifested differently in different characters.

Jean Grey was depowered to the level of a human before she received death seed, she wasn't an omega level anything.

Hey moron, it's outright stated that Death Seed gives you powers equivalent to Phoenix Force.

https://i.postimg.cc/kgcnq3Gx/image.jpg

Shut up already.

And before you start, there was no suit when Jean transformed. It was just the death seed.

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How I wish comics had stricter guidelines for how you could write characters.
Sentry never should've left Jenkins' hands.

Originally posted by Enzeru
I think out of all the dummy-dumm-dumms on this site you're by far my favorite one. I've been making a fool out of you for years now and you still haven't learned your lesson. On the opposite, every time you read my name your insecurities kick in, you decide to give it a new shot and you end up failing again.

I love how you always leave out context in hopes people, who lack knowledge will not know what's up and side with you. Unfortunately that's not how proper debating works.

https://i.imgur.com/K12VPFc.jpg

Wolverine had become the new Apocalypse of that reality and rocked the Apocalypse armor. You know, the armor, which was built by the Celestials and even further amplifies a characters power and especially their durability? So let's not pretend that the Death Seed alone meant a vast power increase for Wolverine. There is a difference between the power up from the Death Seed and when you become the next Apocalypse.

Look at Daken with the Death Seed and without the Apocalypse ascension, all written by the same writer:
https://i.imgur.com/0OOIpx7.jpg
Does that guy strike you as someone, who could defeat the Phoenix just like that? Eh.

And besides all of that, no one here is denying that the Death Seed doesn't amp the users powers. My point is, that it unlocks the mind of its user and allows them to tap into their full potential:
https://i.imgur.com/aB2Hp1l.jpg
So yes, Death Seed Sentry is more powerful than a regular Sentry, but still only because he uses all of the power the Sentry himself would have at his disposal, if he used 100% of it. And that speaks volumes for the Sentry.

Same with Jean Grey. It's almost as if an omega level mutant with the Death Seed and with the Apocalypse Armor becomes an insanely powerful character ?_? Yet you try to make it sound as if the Death Seed alone would do the same to any mutant ever (like for example you tried getting it through with Wolverine, while leaving out the Apocalypse armor part).

Also, since you like writers statements on topics so much:



Nice owning you, bro.



Well, I mean, the Sentry was regenerating from a single atom over and over again and was conscious throughout the entire process, just like the first time, when he burnt down to a skeleton and still heard the Void talking to him.

Prior to that and after the Molecule Man fight his wife shot through his head and it looked like he was dead, but he was still listening to her talk and theorize about him.

But yeah, sure, getting his brains smushed in also didn't stop him:
https://i.imgur.com/RgDEIHd.jpg

Just because you regenerate doesn't mean you wasn't koed. A ko is a win. The 10 count remember? And per mod ruling MM Sentry was voidtry. Voidtry is not usable for normal Sentry.

Originally posted by h1a8
Just because you regenerate doesn't mean you wasn't koed. A ko is a win. The 10 count remember? And per mod ruling MM Sentry was voidtry. Voidtry is not usable for normal Sentry.

It's actually one and the very same character. It's all a figment of Robert's imagination. So, sure we can use Robert's construct at a point that he hadn't gotten a full grip on the extent of what he could do with it, but that doesn't answer the OP's question. The answer is that the Plutonian can die, while the Sentry can't. Nor can it be KO'd if Robert doesn't allow it to be.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's actually one and the very same character. It's all a figment of Robert's imagination. So, sure we can use Robert's construct at a point that he hadn't gotten a full grip on the extent of what he could do with it, but that doesn't answer the OP's question. The answer is that the Plutonian can die, while the Sentry can't. Nor can it be KO'd if Robert doesn't allow it to be. So the times Sentry was koed it was because Bob wanted it to be?

If so then that's in his character and thus he chooses to be koed.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
the sentry in this thread is the one who burned out fighting wwh. just saying.

Doesn't that just tell us how powerful Hulk is kinda like Superman getting weaker against Doomsday when they were fighting proves how powerful Doomsday is? Also, Pak outright said that version of Sentry is as powerful as Galactus.

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't that just tell us how powerful Hulk is kinda like Superman getting weaker against Doomsday when they were fighting proves how powerful Doomsday is? Also, Pak outright said that version of Sentry is as powerful as Galactus.

Pak screwed the pooch on that story. To have someone believe Sentry was going all out in that fight, he shouldnt have had him just standing there laughing while allowing the Hulk to continuously punch him in the face. When a writer has to explain the story, he's done it wrong.

Everytime i come on this forum, i pray that Abhi gets something right for once. the sheer head canon is amazing

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Everytime i come on this forum, i pray that Abhi gets something right for once. the sheer head canon is amazing
**** off moron.

Originally posted by tkitna
Pak screwed the pooch on that story. To have someone believe Sentry was going all out in that fight, he shouldnt have had him just standing there laughing while allowing the Hulk to continuously punch him in the face. When a writer has to explain the story, he's done it wrong.
Lolwut? Paul Jenkins himself said hulk is stronger than Sentry.

You sentry fans really are delusional.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lolwut? Paul Jenkins himself said hulk is stronger than Sentry.

You sentry fans really are delusional.

And yet Jenkins had the Hulk getting every bone in his body broken. Makes sense.

I realize it might be hard for you to comprehend, but sane people dont look at a fight where one opponent is allowing the other one to hit him and think they were both going all out.

abhi, why even waste time with those marvel morons

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P_bbxkp10PM&index=45&list=PLqUixyDDIuj0wWdcgDDXBwrZ4HlFPjAtE

At 12:55, Jenkins denies that Sentry is stronger than Hulk.

Originally posted by tkitna
And yet Jenkins had the Hulk getting every bone in his body broken. Makes sense.

I realize it might be hard for you to comprehend, but sane people dont look at a fight where one opponent is allowing the other one to hit him and think they were both going all out. Originally posted by abhilegend
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P_bbxkp10PM&index=45&list=PLqUixyDDIuj0wWdcgDDXBwrZ4HlFPjAtE

At 12:55, Jenkins denies that Sentry is stronger than Hulk.
Jenkins had Hulk become docile in Sentry's presence and not angry.

Do you think you know better than Sentry's creator now?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Jenkins had Hulk become docile in Sentry's presence and not angry.

Do you think you know better than Sentry's creator now?

His creator should have portrayed him as such. I have no issue with Hulk being physically stronger than Sentry. I have an issue with claims hes more powerful though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
**** off moron.

you're insulting now abhi?

take your frustrations out on your comprehension skills, dudes been lecturing you for years and you still for some odd reason don't seem to get it.

Originally posted by tkitna
His creator should have portrayed him as such. I have no issue with Hulk being physically stronger than Sentry. I have an issue with claims hes more powerful though.
No problem with Hulk being stronger? You said Sentry should no sell hulk if he was going all out, just two posts ago. Dementia in the old age?

Originally posted by tkitna
Pak screwed the pooch on that story. To have someone believe Sentry was going all out in that fight, he shouldnt have had him just standing there laughing while allowing the Hulk to continuously punch him in the face. When a writer has to explain the story, he's done it wrong.

You mean Hulk wasn't docile in Sentry's presence as shown multiple times? Congrats, Void beat a docile hulk, an angry Hulk is stronger than Sentry as per his own creator.

Deal with it. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
you're insulting now abhi?

take your frustrations out on your comprehension skills, dudes been lecturing you for years and you still for some odd reason don't seem to get it.
Shut up idiot.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
you're insulting now abhi?

take your frustrations out on your comprehension skills, dudes been lecturing you for years and you still for some odd reason don't seem to get it.

WHY DON'T YOU BATTLEZONE ABHI TO SETTLE IT ONCE AND FOR ALL?!!!

YOU SET THE STIPULATIONS FOR THE LOSER!!!

You'll have to pay me tons of cash to remotely make me take abhi serious in a bz.

the guy is like 6ix9ine, you can't take him serious if you wanted to

Originally posted by abhilegend
No problem with Hulk being stronger? You said Sentry should no sell hulk if he was going all out, just two posts ago. Dementia in the old age?

WTF are you going on about? When and where did I say Sentry should no sell Hulk?



Oh its very easy to deal with. Void beats Hulk and Sentry routinely beats Void.

Easy peasy

Originally posted by tkitna
WTF are you going on about? When and where did I say Sentry should no sell Hulk?



Oh its very easy to deal with. Void beats Hulk and Sentry routinely beats Void.

Easy peasy
What do you think laughing at Hulk's punches means?

Except Hulk already beat the shit out of Sentry going all out and was out for more in seconds while Sentry was out like a *****.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You'll have to pay me tons of cash to remotely make me take abhi serious in a bz.

the guy is like 6ix9ine, you can't take him serious if you wanted to


Moron.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What do you think laughing at Hulk's punches means?

It means the story was written in a retarded manner by Pak when trying to portray a character as going all out. Nowhere did I say the punches didnt have any impact.



The Hulk beat a guy that wasnt even fighting back for part of the fight and was still KOd at one point. Congrats to the green skinned behemoth.

Originally posted by tkitna
It means the story was written in a retarded manner by Pak when trying to portray a character as going all out. Nowhere did I say the punches didnt have any impact.



The Hulk beat a guy that wasnt even fighting back for part of the fight and was still KOd at one point. Congrats to the green skinned behemoth.
Oh you poor fanboy, you still think Sentry was holding back, aren't you?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh you poor fanboy, you still think Sentry was holding back, aren't you?

Did you even read the story? Take some time out from wanking to your Cavill poster and answer me how a character is going all out when he isnt even fighting back during parts of the fight?

Bob at that point was still a noob at controling, and realizing how powerful the Sentry was.

...

Originally posted by tkitna
Did you even read the story? Take some time out from wanking to your Cavill poster and answer me how a character is going all out when he isnt even fighting back during parts of the fight?
The character said he was going all out, writer said he was going all out and Sentry actually reverted to human persona because he was exhausted but you know better than everyone, eh?

Originally posted by Stoic
Bob at that point was still a noob at controling, and realizing how powerful the Sentry was.
You're aware Sentry has decades of experience as per marvel, right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
The character said he was going all out, writer said he was going all out and Sentry actually reverted to human persona because he was exhausted but you know better than everyone, eh?

They were both holding back.
Bob's a reality warper with multiple personality disorder. Hulk didn't knock the Sentry out of Bob, he knocked the Bob into Sentry. Then, the Void broke every bone in Hulk's body a little while later and Sentry effortlessly tossed him into the sun.... Only for Void to survive/come back because Sentry can't get rid of Void any more than Bob can get rid of Sentry.

I think it's a mess but Its NOT an example that can be credibly used. Everything between Bob's entry into the New Avengers (around 05 maybe?) up to the "Siege" event seemingly has a Bob at war with himself or something along those lines. I don't think it matters much either way as Sentry's wildly inconsistent in concerns to his lows, in terms of power control he's probably worse than mid series Ichigo from Bleach, and that's saying something.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
They were both holding back.
Bob's a reality warper with multiple personality disorder. Hulk didn't knock the Sentry out of Bob, he knocked the Bob into Sentry. Then, the Void broke every bone in Hulk's body a little while later and Sentry effortlessly tossed him into the sun.... Only for Void to survive/come back because Sentry can't get rid of Void any more than Bob can get rid of Sentry.

I think it's a mess but Its NOT an example that can be credibly used. Everything between Bob's entry into the New Avengers (around 05 maybe?) up to the "Siege" event seemingly has a Bob at war with himself or something along those lines. I don't think it matters much either way as Sentry's wildly inconsistent in concerns to his lows, in terms of power control he's probably worse than mid series Ichigo from Bleach, and that's saying something.

No where it is mentioned that Sentry was holding back. The exact opposite actually.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
They were both holding back.
Bob's a reality warper with multiple personality disorder. Hulk didn't knock the Sentry out of Bob, he knocked the Bob into Sentry. Then, the Void broke every bone in Hulk's body a little while later and Sentry effortlessly tossed him into the sun.... Only for Void to survive/come back because Sentry can't get rid of Void any more than Bob can get rid of Sentry.

Void breaking Hulk's bones happened years earlier than World War Hulk, moron. And Sentry was going all out, no if and buts about it.


No, it's just that every writer has different idea about what his actual power set is and the character is just a mess.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Void breaking Hulk's bones happened years earlier than World War Hulk, moron. And Sentry was going all out, no if and buts about it.



No, it's just that every writer has different idea about what his actual power set is and the character is just a mess.



What?

He was definitely holding back. You could tell by his conversations with Tony before he fought. Sentry was doubting himself, he was still scared of his Void persona. He was going AS FAR as his weak mind could take him at that point.


Originally posted by h1a8
No where it is mentioned that Sentry was holding back. The exact opposite actually.

it’s in the context of his conversations with Stark.

Sentry broke every bone in Hulk's body AFTER WWH? Really? Scans.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What?

He was definitely holding back. You could tell by his conversations with Tony before he fought. Sentry was doubting himself, he was still scared of his Void persona. He was going AS FAR as his weak mind could take him at that point.




it’s in the context of his conversations with Stark.
Sentry was going all out.

https://imgur.com/a/3Q8sQGm

He actually couldn't stop himself at all.

https://imgur.com/a/r6RnWtb

Only idiots would think he was holding back at that point.

He's LITERLALY asking Bruce how it feels to finally let go. How the hell did you misintrepet that into "Sentry going all out"

the fact that he was really unwilling to go out there in the first place. He was deathly afraid of the Void persona taking over and him losing control. That in itself shows that he was holding back

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sentry broke every bone in Hulk's body AFTER WWH? Really? Scans.

Alberto running away again.

Yeah, I thought the whole intent is that Sentry was finally able to "let go"(thanks to his chat with Tony), and fully unleash against WWH.

https://i.ibb.co/t3cWHff/World-War-Hulk-004-034.jpg
"It's time to play God."


https://i.ibb.co/mBgbKzK/World-War-Hulk-005-008.jpg
"You don't want this fight, Sentry."
"Yes. God help me, I do. Because you're the only one I can hit... Like this."


https://i.ibb.co/ZK6JQgf/World-War-Hulk-005-014.jpg
"He's never unleashed his power like this before."


https://i.ibb.co/85wcYDS/World-War-Hulk-005-018.jpg
"Does it always feel this good when you finally let go?"


https://i.ibb.co/4M48rKs/World-War-Hulk-005-020.jpg https://i.ibb.co/phQHs1b/World-War-Hulk-005-021.jpg
"And now at the end of it all, it's me who can't seem to stop."


And then the point is further driven home in BotMU:
https://i.imgur.com/f0bAUKQ.jpg
"Hulk and Sentry unleashed their full power against each other..."

Originally posted by abhilegend
The character said he was going all out, writer said he was going all out and Sentry actually reverted to human persona because he was exhausted but you know better than everyone, eh?

By going all out means he was releasing all of his energy, not fighting anywhere close to the best of his ability. He was using the Hulk as a vessel to release his energy upon, not trying to actually defeat him. That fight wasnt close to the best the Sentry could do. How could it be when he wasnt even fighting back at times.

a million exploding suns destroyed a couple city blocks

Originally posted by tkitna
By going all out means he was releasing all of his energy, not fighting anywhere close to the best of his ability. He was using the Hulk as a vessel to release his energy upon, not trying to actually defeat him. That fight wasnt close to the best the Sentry could do. How could it be when he wasnt even fighting back at times.
So he expanded all his energy but was holding back? Are you stupid or something?

Lmao

Legit lol'd.

This thread is just hilarious.

"Death seed is nothing bro, here let me ramble on it"

"Sentry was asking hulk how he feels about going all out"

"Sentry expanded all his energy but was still holding back"

"Sentry was weakened, he never unleashed Void, but Sentry beats Void so he is stronger than Void, so Sentry>Void>Sentry, what do you mean that all sentry fans minus Scot are idiots?"

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sentry was going all out.

https://imgur.com/a/3Q8sQGm

He actually couldn't stop himself at all.

https://imgur.com/a/r6RnWtb

Only idiots would think he was holding back at that point.

Yeah really looks like hes fighting to the best of his abilities here while he just allows Hulk to punch him without fighting back at all.

https://i.imgur.com/znBOYl2.jpg

Again, not fighting back. Just standing there having a conversation while Hulk pounds on him.

https://i.imgur.com/XVY5q42.jpg

Wonder what would have happened if the Sentry actually tried to win that fight?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So he expanded all his energy but was holding back? Are you stupid or something?

A guy going all out in a fight actually fights back dumbass. How can anybody say a character was going all out against another character when he wasnt even fighting back at times?

Originally posted by MrMind
a million exploding suns destroyed a couple city blocks

Because it was directed at Hulk. That same power was destroying planets during his fight with Photon.

Originally posted by tkitna
A guy going all out in a fight actually fights back dumbass. How can anybody say a character was going all out against another character when he wasnt even fighting back at times?

But all his energy was expended.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah really looks like hes fighting to the best of his abilities here while he just allows Hulk to punch him without fighting back at all.

https://i.imgur.com/znBOYl2.jpg

Again, not fighting back. Just standing there having a conversation while Hulk pounds on him.

https://i.imgur.com/XVY5q42.jpg

Wonder what would have happened if the Sentry actually tried to win that fight? Originally posted by tkitna
A guy going all out in a fight actually fights back dumbass. How can anybody say a character was going all out against another character when he wasnt even fighting back at times?
It seems that you've already decided that Sentry was holding back and are simply ignoring or twisting anything that doesn't suits that view.

From official marvel handbook.

https://i.imgur.com/f0bAUKQ.jpg

"Hulk and Sentry unleashed their full power against each other..."

Why do I care how Sentry fought, he was an idiot who allowed himself to get punched and was still going all out. You're simply being obtuse now.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But all his energy was expended.
Oh he was holding back as Robert Reynolds after all that energy was expanded.

You don't want to mess with non holding back bob as human.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It seems that you've already decided that Sentry was holding back and are simply ignoring or twisting anything that doesn't suits that view.

From official marvel handbook.

https://i.imgur.com/f0bAUKQ.jpg

"Hulk and Sentry unleashed their full power against each other..."

Why do I care how Sentry fought, he was an idiot who allowed himself to get punched and was still going all out. You're simply being obtuse now.

Which is obvious hyperbole, it's literally shown different right after the fight when hulk expended more power to threaten the planet. But I don't expect you to read so thats expected

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Which is obvious hyperbole, it's literally shown different right after the fight when hulk expended more power to threaten the planet. But I don't expect you to read so thats expected
Hulk's power is fueled with anger, how does him getting recharged by extreme anger mean anything here moron?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk's power is fueled with anger, how does him getting recharged by extreme anger mean anything here moron?

Because it's apparent his full power wasn't shown here as well as the sentry we know not only is there and extra section of power missing from him he also showed more power later.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Because it's apparent his full power wasn't shown here as well as the sentry we know not only is there and extra section of power missing from him he also showed more power later.
What are you talking about? Hulk and Sentry released all their power they had at the moment. Hulk got up, Sentry didn't.

Are you retarded?

Originally posted by abhilegend
It seems that you've already decided that Sentry was holding back and are simply ignoring or twisting anything that doesn't suits that view.

From official marvel handbook.

https://i.imgur.com/f0bAUKQ.jpg

"Hulk and Sentry unleashed their full power against each other..."

Why do I care how Sentry fought, he was an idiot who allowed himself to get punched and was still going all out. You're simply being obtuse now.

Did he expel all of his energy, yes. In that aspect he was going all out as you like to say. Was he trying to win the fight? No, or he wouldnt have stood there allowing himself to be punched. People like you are always quick to bring up WWH beating the Sentry when it was a fight the Sentry wasnt even trying to win.

WWH beat Sentry?
They stalemated.

Bruce beat Robert though.

Originally posted by tkitna
Did he expel all of his energy, yes. In that aspect he was going all out as you like to say. Was he trying to win the fight? No, or he wouldnt have stood there allowing himself to be punched. People like you are always quick to bring up WWH beating the Sentry when it was a fight the Sentry wasnt even trying to win.
Like I said, he expanded all his power on hulk, that's the definition of not holding back.

Stop trolling and being an idiot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you talking about? Hulk and Sentry released all their power they had at the moment. Hulk got up, Sentry didn't.

Are you retarded?

No, but you are.

It was the FARTHEST Sentry can go AT THAT TIME due to his Agorahopia.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said, he expanded all his power on hulk, that's the definition of not holding back.

Stop trolling and being an idiot.

You truly are a moron. The story is right there on panel for everyone to see but your to insecure to admit what it shows.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
No, but you are.

It was the FARTHEST Sentry can go AT THAT TIME due to his Agorahopia.
No such thing mentioned anywhere in comics or handbook. Originally posted by tkitna
You truly are a moron. The story is right there on panel for everyone to see but your to insecure to admit what it shows.
Shut up idiot. You're unable to understand such a simple concept.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said, he expanded all his power on hulk, that's the definition of not holding back.

Stop trolling and being an idiot.

No, it isn't. Not in Sentry's case.
Not in an arc that made some big deal about their "friendship", were Bob was having hermit issues,showed up to the fight and started seemingly letting Hulk wail away on his face, and ended the fight thanking Hulk for stopping him shortly after claiming that friendship.

Even if you don't think the Void/Hulk incident applies, or the classic Sentry incident, you would still have to take into account Bob's demeanor during the "fight", and still have to apply the mental issues he was noted as having with agoraphobia which has some linkage to his super-hero state and powers.

https://i.postimg.cc/DW81KFNT/wao.jpg

And there was some blurb about Iron Man helping him getting used to being out in the world during the arc.

Why is the Sentry stalemating Green Scar a bad showing? Is the implicit argument, that the Plutonian would have done better?

Originally posted by MrMind
a million exploding suns destroyed a couple city blocks

Smh

Bob just wanted to be stopped and his powers are linked to his mental state. Which takes me back to my initial statement about how Hulk beat the Bob back into Sentry.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why is the Sentry stalemating Green Scar a bad showing? Is the implicit argument, that the Plutonian would have done better?



Basically. People here just don't know how to grasp how powerful WWH was. Port him to DC and remove anything that involves Marvel, THEN they would understand. WWH is an amped Damage.

im still waiting for that first born vs world war hulk bz carver

Originally posted by MrMind
im still waiting for that first born vs world war hulk bz carver

I try not to waste an ounce of energy debating with you, creepy. Do you honestly think I would put time into a BZ with someone who stalks me on social media?

this is the third time you back down a bz invitation from me, little coward

Of course. Youre a creepy guy.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why is the Sentry stalemating Green Scar a bad showing? Is the implicit argument, that the Plutonian would have done better?



Smh

Originally posted by carver9
Basically. People here just don't know how to grasp how powerful WWH was. Port him to DC and remove anything that involves Marvel, THEN they would understand. WWH is an amped Damage.

Exactly, I don't think it's the kind of event where you can measure the "showing" based off combat performance.
it was more like a meeting of the minds, or spirits, or energies or whatever from Hulk and Bob to reach a mutually beneficial conclusion. It seems like a high showing for both at face value. With context accounted for it bumps their stock even more.

Alberto, change your sig back you big baby

I was released. FINALLY, feels great

Originally posted by carver9
I try not to waste an ounce of energy debating with you, creepy. Do you honestly think I would put time into a BZ with someone who stalks me on social media?


The fuk!?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Shut up idiot. You're unable to understand such a simple concept.

Nothing hard to understand. You say he was going all out while the actual comics shows differently. Of course you have to be told what to think so the actual scans are meaningless to someone like you.

That particular sentry is >>> WWH A stalemate or a loss by him would imply that he was holding back. Idk maybe the comic and writer said he was going all out but then he should have won that fight no?

Originally posted by Diesldude
That particular sentry is >>> WWH A stalemate or a loss by him would imply that he was holding back. Idk maybe the comic and writer said he was going all out but then he should have won that fight no?

The story was written so poorly that Pak had to try and explain his intentions more than once. Thats bad.

Originally posted by carver9
I try not to waste an ounce of energy debating with you, creepy. Do you honestly think I would put time into a BZ with someone who stalks me on social media?



Oh?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
No, it isn't. Not in Sentry's case.
Not in an arc that made some big deal about their "friendship", were Bob was having hermit issues,showed up to the fight and started seemingly letting Hulk wail away on his face, and ended the fight thanking Hulk for stopping him shortly after claiming that friendship.

Even if you don't think the Void/Hulk incident applies, or the classic Sentry incident, you would still have to take into account Bob's demeanor during the "fight", and still have to apply the mental issues he was noted as having with agoraphobia which has some linkage to his super-hero state and powers.

https://i.postimg.cc/DW81KFNT/wao.jpg Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
And there was some blurb about Iron Man helping him getting used to being out in the world during the arc.
There's no indication that it weakened him. At the end he overcame his issues anyway when he went to fight Hulk.

Originally posted by tkitna
Nothing hard to understand. You say he was going all out while the actual comics shows differently. Of course you have to be told what to think so the actual scans are meaningless to someone like you.
Yeah, the comic outright says he is going all out and actually shows him exhausted but somehow he was holding back to exhaustion.

Idiot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, the comic outright says he is going all out and actually shows him exhausted but somehow he was holding back to exhaustion.

Idiot.

Do you recall a time that the Sentry was operating at higher levels than he was in that story? If so, then he wasn't at full power in that fight. Neither of them were.

Originally posted by Stoic
Do you recall a time that the Sentry was operating at higher levels than he was in that story? If so, then he wasn't at full power in that fight. Neither of them were.

Then we should be fair and unbiased and apply this to all characters.

Anytime Batman, for example, is shown being hurt by street and metas ,will be thrown out. As we have seen him being hit by WW.

Every time Flash and Superman are tagged, when we have seen them operating at higher levels, should be thrown out. As we can all recall times where they were operating at higher levels.

Originally posted by tkitna
Nothing hard to understand. You say he was going all out while the actual comics shows differently. Of course you have to be told what to think so the actual scans are meaningless to someone like you.

The problem is that you are not explaining how Sentry expended all of his energy fighting Hulk.

So assume that Sentry was holding back his full strength. How do you explain Sentry expending all his energy?

I understand your point on how Sentry allowed Hulk to hit him in the face a few times in the beginning (most likely instead of not being able to respond to the punch) . But maybe that was to gauge Hulk's power in order to determine whether to use FULL force on Hulk.
So if Sentry allowed the hits then he wasn't fighting at the best of his abilities. But since Sentry expended his energy then he didn't hold back his full force and definitely not durability.

But the argument is whether Sentry can be koed by sufficient force and not can Sentry beat WWH.

Guys I dont think this fight with WWH is relevant here, both of these guys are leagues above WWH. Doesnt matter who won/Stalemated/didnt try.

Sentry could have expended his energy when he stood there getting punched by the hulk. There is evidence to support both sides, just agree to disagree lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then we should be fair and unbiased and apply this to all characters.

Anytime Batman, for example, is shown being hurt by street and metas ,will be thrown out. As we have seen him being hit by WW.

Every time Flash and Superman are tagged, when we have seen them operating at higher levels, should be thrown out. As we can all recall times where they were operating at higher levels.

Weren't you just arguing full capacity 2 days ago? I get it, you want to use the weakest showings of the characters that you argue against, and the strongest showings for the characters that you argue for. Nice.

The Plutonian has no way of permanently stopping the Sentry under full capacity conditions. The Sentry on the other hand can stop the Plutonian. It's simple really, Sentry can't die, because he/it isn't actually a real living, breathing man, but is in fact no more than a solidified thought brought into reality by Robert Reynolds imagination. This is the exact reason why the Plutonian would eventually lose.

Sentry is a cool character but overrated as hell.

Originally posted by Stoic
Weren't you just arguing full capacity 2 days ago? I get it, you want to use the weakest showings of the characters that you argue against, and the strongest showings for the characters that you argue for. Nice.

The Plutonian has no way of permanently stopping the Sentry under full capacity conditions. The Sentry on the other hand can stop the Plutonian. It's simple really, Sentry can't die, because he/it isn't actually a real living, breathing man, but is in fact no more than a solidified thought brought into reality by Robert Reynolds imagination. This is the exact reason why the Plutonian would eventually lose.

Sentry has been koed and therefore can be. There is no contradiction anywhere else. There is no evidence to suggest that Sentry can even tag someone with picosecond reactions.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There's no indication that it weakened him. At the end he overcame his issues anyway when he went to fight Hulk.

I think Bob's initial introduction in the New Avengers showcased a bit in there where they established that is Bob's acting like a coward then he has no assertive control over his powers.


His Handbook/Encyclopedia entry says much the same but in kinder terms:

https://i.postimg.cc/w3rjrW4R/ags.jpg

Again, do you typically overcome a fear or a personal anxiety by arbitrarily saying something about it?
Or by telling yourself you have? Idk about that.

Originally posted by h1a8
The problem is that you are not explaining how Sentry expended all of his energy fighting Hulk.

So assume that Sentry was holding back his full strength. How do you explain Sentry expending all his energy?

I understand your point on how Sentry allowed Hulk to hit him in the face a few times in the beginning (most likely instead of not being able to respond to the punch) . But maybe that was to gauge Hulk's power in order to determine whether to use FULL force on Hulk.
So if Sentry allowed the hits then he wasn't fighting at the best of his abilities. But since Sentry expended his energy then he didn't hold back his full force and definitely not durability.

But the argument is whether Sentry can be koed by sufficient force and not can Sentry beat WWH.

Bob was beat back into Sentry thereby nullifying what power he was even capable of tapping into unlike Banner who typically has an automatic supply. Sentry can claim he was losing control, but the Void never came out, and since we saw the Siege event happen, we know that was a bold faced lie. The fact that Bob wanted to lose to Banner just more icing

there's no way to insist that one part of Sentry's mental state was 100% the motive and not the other (/Bob's).

Not saying Sentry didn't hit Hulk with bad intentions, only that he was also presented taking shots willingly with an added context in wanting to be stopped.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Bob was beat back into Sentry thereby nullifying what power he was even capable of tapping into unlike Banner who typically has an automatic supply. Sentry can claim he was losing control, but the Void never came out, and since we saw the Siege event happen, we know that was a bold faced lie. The fact that Bob wanted to lose to Banner just more icing

there's no way to insist that one part of Sentry's mental state was 100% the motive and not the other (/Bob's).

Not saying Sentry didn't hit Hulk with bad intentions, only that he was also presented taking shots willingly with an added context in wanting to be stopped.

Wanting to be hit has absolutely nothing to do with durability and strength. The discussion is about whether Sentry can be koed. Nothing else.

The writer's intent is clear.