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Current Thor as in the one that KO Galactus in recent comics.

i think you are mistaken here for comicvine

Superman oneshots both

Herald Thor

Rune King Thor is above the Herald King.

Originally posted by Stoic
Rune King Thor is above the Herald King.

Which feats exactly make you think so?

Something, something Eternity, something, something Runes. Shut up, that's enough feats.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Which feats exactly make you think so?

Something something beyond physical damage

You know what's funny? Rune Thor went into limbo and the same Thor appeared in JMS Thor. It wasn't a portion of Odinforce he had, it was all of it as it was before.

https://i.imgur.com/RJeoahP.jpg

So everything which happened to JMS Thor? It was Rune King Thor.

Something something those who SHIT above in the shadows

Based on the power level that he was stated to possess, which was well above Sky Father. The Ones that sit above in Shadows were well above Sky Father, and Rune King Thor was well above them. It's pretty simple stuff really. You don't have to like it, but it was the level that he was written to be on. And we all know that you don't need to be TOAA in order to defeat Galactus at his recent levels. Rune King Thor had full control of the Runes, which in the past were stated to hold near infinite power.

Now tell me what gives you the idea that the Herald King was above that level? What? Something something he kicked Galactus' ass?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You know what's funny? Rune Thor went into limbo and the same Thor appeared in JMS Thor. It wasn't a portion of Odinforce he had, it was all of it as it was before.

https://i.imgur.com/RJeoahP.jpg

So everything which happened to JMS Thor? It was Rune King Thor.

Dishonest and grimy as ever I see.

Originally posted by Stoic
Based on the power level that he was stated to possess, which was well above Sky Father. The Ones that sit above in Shadows were well above Sky Father, and Rune King Thor was well above them. It's pretty simple stuff really. You don't have to like it, but it was the level that he was written to be on. And we all know that you don't need to be TOAA in order to defeat Galactus at his recent levels. Rune King Thor had full control of the Runes, which in the past were stated to hold near infinite power.

Now tell me what gives you the idea that the Herald King was above that level? What? Something something he kicked Galactus' ass?

Yes.

Galactus, who happens to be well above Skyfather as well.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes.

Galactus, who happens to be well above Skyfather as well.

Who was hurt by Thor without the PC. Rune King Thor had full control of the Runes which were stated to hold near infinite power. When did Galactus possess near infinite power recently?

Originally posted by Stoic
Who was hurt by Thor without the PC. Rune King Thor had full control of the Runes which were stated to hold near infinite power. When did Galactus possess near infinite power recently?

The Power Cosmic is infinite, no? Not even near.

Originally posted by Stoic
Who was hurt by Thor without the PC. Rune King Thor had full control of the Runes which were stated to hold near infinite power. When did Galactus possess near infinite power recently?

That was before Galactus was sated and amped, wasn't it?

Also, hurt =/= beaten and Thor still had the OF.

Originally posted by Stoic
Dishonest and grimy as ever I see.
How's that dishonest? Where did Thor lose his powers?

https://i.postimg.cc/nMP0vdzX/RCO002.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/w7RFFhy0/RCO005.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/PCmynTMD/RCO006.jpg

Thor was asleep in the limbo and Don Blake awakened him. He still had all his powers before he went to sleep. So where did he lose the power?

Originally posted by Stoic
Who was hurt by Thor without the PC. Rune King Thor had full control of the Runes which were stated to hold near infinite power. When did Galactus possess near infinite power recently?
Where were runes stated to hold near infinite power? Odin also had knowledge of runes.

Herald Thor wins.


RKT was around Odin-level. Maybe slightly above.

Herald Thor humiliated a Galactus who was more powerful than ever before.

Something that Stoic ignored

Originally posted by abhilegend
How's that dishonest? Where did Thor lose his powers?

https://i.postimg.cc/nMP0vdzX/RCO002.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/w7RFFhy0/RCO005.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/PCmynTMD/RCO006.jpg

Thor was asleep in the limbo and Don Blake awakened him. He still had all his powers before he went to sleep. So where did he lose the power?

When he rid himself of the Power Cosmic, was what I was talking about.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Something that Stoic ignored

Compare both Mangog encounters. One was pummeled, the other acted as if the composite being didn't exist.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where were runes stated to hold near infinite power? Odin also had knowledge of runes.

Odin held knowledge, while Thor controled the Runes completely. Rune King Thor was well above Odin.

Originally posted by Stoic
Compare both Mangog encounters. One was pummeled, the other acted as if the composite being didn't exist. a.) Mangog was weakened when RKT encountered him -- Loki had been siphoning his power away.

b.) When did Herald Thor fight Mangog?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How's that dishonest? Where did Thor lose his powers?

https://i.postimg.cc/nMP0vdzX/RCO002.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/w7RFFhy0/RCO005.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/PCmynTMD/RCO006.jpg

Thor was asleep in the limbo and Don Blake awakened him. He still had all his powers before he went to sleep. So where did he lose the power?

https://i.insider.com/5974222a2e506318428b48f8?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp


Rune King Thor was recognized for his use of Rune magic.


It's given about the same explanation as to why he has two eyes and different armor when he awakes. You might as well claim "where did he lose his armor and regain his eyes? He actually still has the armor and no eyes, because where would he get them back?"


The only time he gets rune magic , it's specfically referenced:

https://i.imgur.com/hm70WLA.jpg


For whatever reason, he came back without his omniscience too, one of the most prominent features of the runes:

https://i.imgur.com/PdLAjQe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TjuT7j7.jpg


The answer isn't too hard to understand though, it's hard to write Super Odin Force Thor and still have tension in the plot, at a time when writing was taken mildly more seriously.

Originally posted by Galan007

RKT was around Odin-level. Maybe slightly above.




I'll BZ that claim with you any day


Let me know if you're up for it.

RKT was far above Odin
Odin is not capable of destroying the ragnarok cycle
or destroying the thread of fate which holds the nine realms in an endless loop of death and rebirth

destroying the world tree is a feat that is universal to low multiversal level

Agreed, but I'd rather not have the discussion here because it's fallen on deaf ears. With some impartial judges though...

Originally posted by Damborgson
I'll BZ that claim with you any day


Let me know if you're up for it. A BZ is about the last thing I am interested in participating in these days. No offense against you or anything, they just tend to be a royal pain in the ass.

That being said- the argument does pertain to this thread, so please, educate me. Legitimately curious why you believe RKT is vastly above Odin. I'm not looking for ambiguity or headcanon... Quantifiable stuff, please.

Originally posted by MrMind
RKT was far above Odin
Odin is not capable of destroying the ragnarok cycle Thor's experiences with humanity/mortality is explicitly why he was able to break the cycle of Ragnarok... Humanity that Odin did not possess, and as such, was trapped within the loop:
https://i.imgur.com/TVPrvXM.jpg

None taken. I get you.

I would be happy to, but in a BZ where our opinions and posts "matter" I guess.

In a thread, you have no intention of changing your mind, because you've had the stance for too long. In short, pride.

Originally posted by Stoic
Based on the power level that he was stated to possess, which was well above Sky Father. The Ones that sit above in Shadows were well above Sky Father, and Rune King Thor was well above them. It's pretty simple stuff really. You don't have to like it, but it was the level that he was written to be on. And we all know that you don't need to be TOAA in order to defeat Galactus at his recent levels. Rune King Thor had full control of the Runes, which in the past were stated to hold near infinite power.

Now tell me what gives you the idea that the Herald King was above that level? What? Something something he kicked Galactus' ass?

I don't believe that the ones that sit above in shadow were WELL ABOVE sky father. You have to provide feats to prove that. RKT wasn't above them either, not necessarily. They fed off the events of Ragnarok. They have 0 fighting or combat feats or display of actual power.

Originally posted by Stoic
When he rid himself of the Power Cosmic, was what I was talking about.



Compare both Mangog encounters. One was pummeled, the other acted as if the composite being didn't exist.
Huh?

Mangog was weakened.

Originally posted by Stoic
Odin held knowledge, while Thor controled the Runes completely. Rune King Thor was well above Odin.
Where did he do that, exactly? Originally posted by Damborgson
https://i.insider.com/5974222a2e506318428b48f8?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp


Rune King Thor was recognized for his use of Rune magic.


It's given about the same explanation as to why he has two eyes and different armor when he awakes. You might as well claim "where did he lose his armor and regain his eyes? He actually still has the armor and no eyes, because where would he get them back?"


The only time he gets rune magic , it's specfically referenced:

https://i.imgur.com/hm70WLA.jpg


For whatever reason, he came back without his omniscience too, one of the most prominent features of the runes:

https://i.imgur.com/PdLAjQe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TjuT7j7.jpg


The answer isn't too hard to understand though, it's hard to write Super Odin Force Thor and still have tension in the plot, at a time when writing was taken mildly more seriously.
That's not answering my question. Originally posted by Damborgson
I'll BZ that claim with you any day


Let me know if you're up for it.
I'll do that battlezone.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did he do that, exactly?
That's not answering my question.
I'll do that battlezone.

Deal

Originally posted by Damborgson
Deal
Who's gonna be judge?

Originally posted by Damborgson
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=489610&pagenumber=1237
WTF

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who's gonna be judge?

Let me open up a thread.


Also, I know right

current herald thor humiliates rkt.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
current herald thor humiliates rkt.

Doubtful, herald has more offensive output but rkt will be a step ahead. Should be a good fight.

I've been working 12 hour shifts for weeks now, as my company 3M owes millions of dollars of medical stock to hospitals worldwide, which is why there are long gaps in my posts. So apologies.

RK Thor would pluck the Herald King's head off like a grape, toss his body into a ravine and continue having a mild conversation with his head. Take note that the Herald King felt pain. Boulders tossed at him drove him to his knees, and while Mangog may have been weaker than normal, he was certainly stronger than the aliens that tossed those boulders.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Doubtful, herald has more offensive output but rkt will be a step ahead. Should be a good fight.

Nope RK Thor would casually break him, and put him back together when he regained his calm.

No

Anyway since Dambo is backing out of the BZ, I'll make my argument right here.

RKT got Odinforce and Runes just like Odin did. From Thor 84.

https://i.postimg.cc/cg92zjs5/RCO003.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/LgJwFT54/RCO004.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hhvHmSsF/RCO005.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/xqZByWpX/RCO006.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/0bJFtchc/RCO007.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/nXb5NqJZ/RCO008.jpg

Unlike Odin he had to die and reborn to get the power of the runes because the cyclic nature of Ragnarok made sacrifices lesser, that's why Thor had to pluck out both his eyes instead of one.

https://i.postimg.cc/jqFvqQf3/RCO022.jpg

Thor had only one advantage on Odin, he had lived as a mortal (which was a gift from Odin) and thus his actions were shielded from both Those who sit in the Shadows and Odinforce itself.

https://i.postimg.cc/SJsxwHcL/RCO011.jpg

Recap and ending page of Thor 85 says the same.

https://i.postimg.cc/FYy8GH1T/RCO002.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zLpMZ2CW/RCO020.jpg

Thor wasn't more powerful or knowledgeable than Odin, he was shielded from the older gods and fates themselves due to having lived as a mortal.

Even feat wise RKT isn't more powerful than Odin.

RKT makes a weakened Mangog cease to exist.

https://i.postimg.cc/XrgGW9pd/RCO014.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/wtTtj3mP/RCO015.jpg

Odin causes a full power Mangog to cease to exist.

https://i.postimg.cc/FYbWQCyp/RCO019.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/XZV2NKxb/RCO020.jpg

RKT defeats Loki (Mind you, Loki never said he had siphoned the magic of Asgard, just that he was Asgard now).

https://i.postimg.cc/RqjXJxGG/RCO020.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/PPYKmVRH/RCO021.jpg

Odin defeats Loki and Absorbing Man who actually became Asgard.

https://m.imgur.com/a/LwbMJm0

Also RKT said he can't reverse what's already happened.

https://i.postimg.cc/14crXVnR/RCO014.jpg

While Odin has reversed time before Thor killed several heroes in Thor First Thunder.

https://i.postimg.cc/Kk53GL9d/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/dZtkL1pD/image.jpg

So yeah.

Two different Handbooks confirm the same.

https://i.imgur.com/XzRHBpW.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/ykDhPQpx/image.jpg

"Thor sacrificed his life to gain the Odin's power and wisdom".

So you're claiming that Odin could single handedly defeat the Ones that sit above in shadows? Loki like all Sky Fathers are Asgard. More recently Thor as the All Father gained the power of the Lord of Asgard. RK Thor easily defeated Loki who had the power of Asgard like all All Fathers, plus a portion of Mangog's might. But wait, are you twisting it to shine on your argument? How weak was Mangog? Are you saying that Mangog was drained? Wouldn't that still mean that RK Thor effortlessly defeated Mangog plus the power of Asgard effortlessly? But yeah, he's just Odin level.

Back to what I said.

Originally posted by Stoic
I've been working 12 hour shifts for weeks now, as my company 3M owes millions of dollars of medical stock to hospitals worldwide, which is why there are long gaps in my posts. So apologies.

RK Thor would pluck the Herald King's head off like a grape, toss his body into a ravine and continue having a mild conversation with his head. Take note that the Herald King felt pain. Boulders tossed at him drove him to his knees, and while Mangog may have been weaker than normal, he was certainly stronger than the aliens that tossed those boulders.



Nope RK Thor would casually break him, and put him back together when he regained his calm.

Originally posted by Stoic
So you're claiming that Odin could single handedly defeat the Ones that sit above in shadows? Loki like all Sky Fathers are Asgard. More recently Thor as the All Father gained the power of the Lord of Asgard. RK Thor easily defeated Loki who had the power of Asgard like all All Fathers, plus a portion of Mangog's might. But wait, are you twisting it to shine on your argument? How weak was Mangog? Are you saying that Mangog was drained? Wouldn't that still mean that RK Thor effortlessly defeated Mangog plus the power of Asgard effortlessly? But yeah, he's just Odin level.

Back to what I said.
I posted all the relevant scans. And Loki never stated that he had the power of Asgard or he was a skyfather.

Just stop. He gained the power of Odin as stated in both comic and handbooks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I posted all the relevant scans. And Loki never stated that he had the power of Asgard or he was a skyfather.

Just stop. He gained the power of Odin as stated in both comic and handbooks.

Not as cut and dry as you're letting on. Thor went further than Odin did, sacrificed more than Odin did, and thus gained far more power, and control of the Runes than Odin ever did. Now you want to deviate from your claim. I'm holding you to it though. No escape Abhi. You claimed that Mangog was weakened, due to Loki taking a portion of his might. We all know that Loki at that time was Asgard, like Odin was Asgard. All Sky Fathers have the power of their native realms. Loki was no different. So, he had Odin level power coupled with Mangog's power who alone was more powerful than Odin. RK Thor casually phucked Loki up with all of those bells and whistles. Casually. He literally plucked his head off and had a conversation with him, at which point Loki should have been dead.

Then you're saying that Odin could solo the Ones that sit above in shadows, who happen to be the Gods of the Asgardians. You're trying too hard.

So yeah. Maybe we should take your word for it based on piecemeal citations, or go by Mangog nearly ripping Odin apart in their latest confrontion, and others prior to it, ignore the boulders that drove the Herald King to his knees, the pleadings of the Ones that sit above in shadow, Loki being Asgard, Beta Ray Bill harming him (the Herald King) with physical attacks, RK Thor being stated to have gone further than Odin, and more.

Originally posted by Stoic
Not as cut and dry as you're letting on. Thor went further than Odin did, sacrificed more than Odin did, and thus gained far more power, and control of the Runes than Odin ever did. Now you want to deviate from your claim. I'm holding you to it though. No escape Abhi. You claimed that Mangog was weakened, due to Loki taking a portion of his might. We all know that Loki at that time was Asgard, like Odin was Asgard. All Sky Fathers have the power of their native realms. Loki was no different. So, he had Odin level power coupled with Mangog's power who alone was more powerful than Odin. RK Thor casually phucked Loki up with all of those bells and whistles. Casually. He literally plucked his head off and had a conversation with him, at which point Loki should have been dead.

Then you're saying that Odin could solo the Ones that sit above in shadows, who happen to be the Gods of the Asgardians. You're trying too hard.
Thor had to sacrifice more because the sacrifice were lessened due to cyclical nature of Ragnarok.

https://postimg.cc/8sLLtvtL

Loki never had power of Asgard. Stop the nonsense. Originally posted by Stoic
So yeah. Maybe we should take your word for it based on piecemeal citations, or go by Mangog nearly ripping Odin apart in their latest confrontion, and others prior to it, ignore the boulders that drove the Herald King to his knees, the pleadings of the Ones that sit above in shadow, Loki being Asgard, Beta Ray Bill harming him (the Herald King) with physical attacks, RK Thor being stated to have gone further than Odin, and more.
Nothing will change the clear cut facts that RKT had power and wisdom of Odin.

Another handbook confirming the same as what I said.

https://i.postimg.cc/wTyyKX2c/image.jpg

A question. What are the feats of "Those Who Sit Above in Shadow" ?
What's special about them?

Originally posted by abhilegend


RKT got Odinforce and Runes just like Odin did. From Thor 84.



Been saying this for years and people called me crazy. Odin knew rune magic too it was stated in Ragnarok.

Originally posted by Stoic
Not as cut and dry as you're letting on. Thor went further than Odin did, sacrificed more than Odin did, and thus gained far more power, and control of the Runes than Odin ever did. Now you want to deviate from your claim. I'm holding you to it though. No escape Abhi. You claimed that Mangog was weakened, due to Loki taking a portion of his might. We all know that Loki at that time was Asgard, like Odin was Asgard. All Sky Fathers have the power of their native realms. Loki was no different. So, he had Odin level power coupled with Mangog's power who alone was more powerful than Odin. RK Thor casually phucked Loki up with all of those bells and whistles. Casually. He literally plucked his head off and had a conversation with him, at which point Loki should have been dead.

Then you're saying that Odin could solo the Ones that sit above in shadows, who happen to be the Gods of the Asgardians. You're trying too hard.

Thor didn't beat the ones who sit in Shadow through direct combat. And they literally have no feats.

Originally posted by Stoic
and thus gained far more power, and control of the Runes than Odin ever did. Where was this stated?

Originally posted by nortonek
A question. What are the feats of "Those Who Sit Above in Shadow" ?
What's special about them?
Shittting above in Shadows. Originally posted by Classic NES
Been saying this for years and people called me crazy. Odin knew rune magic too it was stated in Ragnarok.
Originally posted by Galan007
Where was this stated?
Exact opposite was stated.

Say what you will about abhi, he reads all Thor comics, and know Thor just as good as Thor fans

abhi and I have been making the same basic argument about RKT's power for years(?) now.

So it's strange that definitive evidence(not fan-wank/headcanon) regarding him being massively beyond Odin has never surfaced. /shrug

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shittting above in Shadows.

Exact opposite was stated.

Rune King Thor defeated a depowered Mangog as well

https://imgur.com/a/M9DuVUT

"I see your magic fails you"

And the handook confirmed the same thing

https://imgur.com/a/tOvyQHh

Thor killed weaker Mangog with a powerful rune spell"

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor didn't beat the ones who sit in Shadow through direct combat. And they literally have no feats.

Basically, his experience as a human combined with the Odin force's true power made him unpredictable and able to break the cycle of Ragnarok. It's got nothing to do with power level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I posted all the relevant scans. And Loki never stated that he had the power of Asgard or he was a skyfather.

Just stop. He gained the power of Odin as stated in both comic and handbooks.
https://i.postimg.cc/3WrVXY3C/RCO015.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/1ffddBn8/RCO016.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/9zxS1KM3/RCO017.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/F786XS3D/RCO018.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/ZWNMbqLZ/RCO019.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/PLkFPk6D/RCO020.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/B8c7FwyV/RCO021.jpg

Being able to drain Mangog (And adding his power to his own), having the power of Asgard, and the ability to resurrect Surtur certainly implies Skyfather.

He said "I'm Asgard", not that he had drained the power of Asgard.

Also we don't know how he resurrected Surtur.

We don't know how Superman's power is used to empower the Sun, but it didn't stop you from making entire threads about it.

Loki is known for his magic and the entire two pages noted his increased power. Do you have evidence that Loki used something other than his increased power or magic to perform the feat?

Originally posted by MrMind
RKT was far above Odin
Odin is not capable of destroying the ragnarok cycle
or destroying the thread of fate which holds the nine realms in an endless loop of death and rebirth

destroying the world tree is a feat that is universal to low multiversal level

Agreed. Even the manifestation of the Odin force was in awe of what rkt did.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
We don't know how Superman's power is used to empower the Sun, but it didn't stop you from making entire threads about it.

Loki is known for his magic and the entire two pages noted his increased power. Do you have evidence that Loki used something other than his increased power or magic to perform the feat?
Yes, we do. Its his power that was used to restore the sun on panel.

Could be, couldn't be. We don't know how Loki resurrected Surtur. Originally posted by Booya_69
Agreed. Even the manifestation of the Odin force was in awe of what rkt did.
Not because of any power related thing.

Yeah because the Herald King, or Galactus for that matter could casually pluck a Sky Father's head off like pulling a grape off of a vine, keep the head alive, and have a full conversation with said head, but let's try to convince everyone that RK Thor was on Odin's power level despite Odin and the rest of Asgard getting their collective asses handed to them by Mangog, and while we're at it, let's glue wool onto their eyes and pretend that Loki with the power of Asgard, coupled with the power of Mangog wouldn't stuff Odin up Galactus' cosmic ass.

RK Thor would systematically destroy the Herald King, Galactus, and Odin together, and go on to beat the Black Winter so bad, that he'd be known as the White Summer.

First, please provide the proof that Loki was a skyfather there.

He was beyond Odin, as we now know that Odin would've died in direct combat with Mangog, and Loki was well above Mangog.

For example, Odin vs Loki (of that particular story), Fenris, Mangog, Durok, etc = Odin gets trampled and killed.

Another thing, It could be argued that Mangog had all of his strength. It says on panel that Loki siphoned his magic. Mangog with all of his strength, couldn't budge RK Thor. But let's say that Loki did drain his strength. Loki with that strength couldn't stop RK Thor from casually plucking his head off as easily as plucking a grape off of a vine.

But let's attack RK Thor, right Abhi? This way we can avoid scrutinizing the Herald King's performance. Unless you're trying to lead us to believe that the boulder that drove the Herald King to his knees would also drive RK Thor to his knees, despite not being affected by any physical force that he ran into.

Originally posted by Stoic
He was beyond Odin, as we now know that Odin would've died in direct combat with Mangog, and Loki was well above Mangog.

For example, Odin vs Loki (of that particular story), Fenris, Mangog, Durok, etc = Odin gets trampled and killed.

Another thing, It could be argued that Mangog had all of his strength. It says on panel that Loki siphoned his magic. Mangog with all of his strength, couldn't budge RK Thor. But let's say that Loki did drain his strength. Loki with that strength couldn't stop RK Thor from casually plucking his head off as easily as plucking a grape off of a vine.

But let's attack RK Thor, right Abhi? This way we can avoid scrutinizing the Herald King's performance. Unless you're trying to lead us to believe that the boulder that drove the Herald King to his knees would also drive RK Thor to his knees, despite not being affected by any physical force that he ran into.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Even feat wise RKT isn't more powerful than Odin.

RKT makes a weakened Mangog cease to exist.

https://i.postimg.cc/XrgGW9pd/RCO014.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/wtTtj3mP/RCO015.jpg

Odin causes a full power Mangog to cease to exist.

https://i.postimg.cc/FYbWQCyp/RCO019.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/XZV2NKxb/RCO020.jpg

RKT defeats Loki (Mind you, Loki never said he had siphoned the magic of Asgard, just that he was Asgard now).

https://i.postimg.cc/RqjXJxGG/RCO020.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/PPYKmVRH/RCO021.jpg

Odin defeats Loki and Absorbing Man who actually became Asgard.

https://m.imgur.com/a/LwbMJm0

Also RKT said he can't reverse what's already happened.

https://i.postimg.cc/14crXVnR/RCO014.jpg

While Odin has reversed time before Thor killed several heroes in Thor First Thunder.

https://i.postimg.cc/Kk53GL9d/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/dZtkL1pD/image.jpg

So yeah.

Like I said before piecemeal citations. None of that stands up when we present the thrashing that Mangog recently visited upon Odin's head. So yeah.

Is current Odin as powerful as classic? I know people have been saying he was weakend.

Originally posted by Stoic
Like I said before piecemeal citations. None of that stands up when we present the thrashing that Mangog recently visited upon Odin's head. So yeah.
Rage has convinced me that Odin was weakened there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Rage has convinced me that Odin was weakened there.

Based on what exactly? Was Odin also weakened when the Dark Gods stormed Asgard? But I see what you're doing. Why don't we pick apart the Herald King? Weren't you gratuitously slinging boulders at him in the Superman vs Herald Thor debate? Yet in this disscusion we have the Herald King, an Odin plus character vs the Rune King. One of these guys is immune to Mangog sized assaults, and one of them was pulped by a Beta Ray Bill assault, and driven to his knees by a boulder tossed by creatures that possessed at best Spiderman levels of strength.

What kind of a person would have a difficult time seeing the vast differences in power? I mean, in order for what you say to be true, you'd have to present more than RK Thor not being able to change destiny, because from what I saw, the Herald King was unable to prevent Sif from removing Mjolnir from the battlefield, while RK Thor was able to tell Loki things about himself that not even he himself knew. Huge discrepancy.

Like I said, RK Thor would pull his head off, toss his body into a ravine, and have a civil conversation with his head.

Originally posted by Stoic
Based on what exactly? Was Odin also weakened when the Dark Gods stormed Asgard? But I see what you're doing. Why don't we pick apart the Herald King? Weren't you gratuitously slinging boulders at him in the Superman vs Herald Thor debate? Yet in this disscusion we have the Herald King, an Odin plus character vs the Rune King. One of these guys is immune to Mangog sized assaults, and one of them was pulped by a Beta Ray Bill assault, and driven to his knees by a boulder tossed by creatures that possessed at best Spiderman levels of strength.

What kind of a person would have a difficult time seeing the vast differences in power? I mean, in order for what you say to be true, you'd have to present more than RK Thor not being able to change destiny, because from what I saw, the Herald King was unable to prevent Sif from removing Mjolnir from the battlefield, while RK Thor was able to tell Loki things about himself that not even he himself knew. Huge discrepancy.

Like I said, RK Thor would pull his head off, toss his body into a ravine, and have a civil conversation with his head.

Yes, Odin was weakened when Dark Gods beat Asgard.

You're posting nonsense now. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, we do. Its his power that was used to restore the sun on panel.

Could be, couldn't be. We don't know how Loki resurrected Surtur.
Not because of any power related thing.

No we don't. In fact, he was shown using a machine, that could have done a dozen things from amplifying his mediocre power levels to making the process easier to accomplish.

Loki is a prolific magic user. It's what he's known for.

Loki rarely uses mystical artifacts for assistance unlike other mages for most of his feats.

Loki likes to brag and stack power. If he used for example, the Norn Stones, he'd still be wearing the Norn Stones.

It's not rocket science. If you think he used something other than his own magic, the onus is on you to prove it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is current Odin as powerful as classic? I know people have been saying he was weakend.

He's been weakened. Abhiligend tried denying it multiple times until we were hit over the head repeatedly.

Current Odin is depowered. Aaron was too lazy to give a definitive reason, but he was definitive in him being much less than what he was.

He's dumber too. Absolutely no wisdom. Where's the wisdom he had when he sent Thor to Earth to humble him and solve Ragnarok?

He has been obviously depowered or nerfed. Odin that is.

Thor did more than Odin. He gave both eyes and he hung himself or whatever far longer and then his humanity. That's why he is above Odin. But not astronomically so.

Originally posted by h1a8
He's dumber too. Absolutely no wisdom. Where's the wisdom he had when he sent Thor to Earth to humble him and solve Ragnarok?

Both Thor and Odin are completely different characters. The nobility and will is there, but they don't act, talk or interact like they use to. There was a huge shift into buffonery around the time Jane Thor came around for no particular reason than to justify her existence....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No we don't. In fact, he was shown using a machine, that could have done a dozen things from amplifying his mediocre power levels to making the process easier to accomplish.

We are not talking about Thor here ragey boy.



Sure, if I hadn't read pretty much every Thor comic ever.

Yeah, the god of lies and trickery is a very honest person.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
He has been obviously depowered or nerfed. Odin that is.

Thor did more than Odin. He gave both eyes and he hung himself or whatever far longer and then his humanity. That's why he is above Odin. But not astronomically so.
No, he wasn't above Odin.

Originally posted by Stoic
Like I said before piecemeal citations. None of that stands up when we present the thrashing that Mangog recently visited upon Odin's head. So yeah.

Yeah but he's weakened, so your main piece of evidence is gone......

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah but he's weakened, so your main piece of evidence is gone......

How much of his strength was gone? If he was weak, you'd think that he would've mentioned this. Instead he appeared to be oblivious of the handicap. It actually says that his magic was siphoned, and not his strength. Or, like I mentioned, if you go back and read. I mentioned that if Loki siphoned his strength as well, then he was also dealt with with incredible ease. RK Thor was so powerful, that Asgard as a whole was at most as potent as a house made of cards, as we see how easily RK Thor was able to deal with one that held an intimate connection with it. Or, should we play pretend that Loki was at best a High Herald despite his testimony of the power that he appropriated over a period of time?

Originally posted by Stoic
How much of his strength was gone? If he was weak, you'd think that he would've mentioned this. Instead he appeared to be oblivious of the handicap. It actually says that his magic was siphoned, and not his strength. Or, like I mentioned, if you go back and read. I mentioned that if Loki siphoned his strength as well, then he was also dealt with with incredible ease. RK Thor was so powerful, that Asgard as a whole was at most as potent as a house made of cards, as we see how easily RK Thor was able to deal with one that held an intimate connection with it. Or, should we play pretend that Loki was at best a High Herald despite his testimony of the power that he appropriated over a period of time?

Are you moving onto Loki now?

Your main evidence was how Mangog treated current Odin. But if current Odin is weakened, that's a lot of context you missed out.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Are you moving onto Loki now?

Your main evidence was how Mangog treated current Odin. But if current Odin is weakened, that's a lot of context you missed out.

My thoughts are on the entire subject as a whole, This includes any, and every power that RK Thor confronted, and not a singled out extravaganza featuring only Mangog. The sole piece of evidence that you've decided to be the main spectacle will actually be just a piece of the full puzzle.

Classic Thor gave Odin a fight when Odin disguised himself. Why wouldn't Jane Thor be able to do the same? Wait a sec...

Where did it explicitly state that Odin was weakened?

The book literally states that he went past Odin. His connection to the runes was far greater than Odin's connection was when he only sacrificed an eye. You Abhi, and anyone else is tripping if you believe that Odin was as powerful as RK Thor.

Originally posted by Stoic
How much of his strength was gone? If he was weak, you'd think that he would've mentioned this. Instead he appeared to be oblivious of the handicap. It actually says that his magic was siphoned, and not his strength. Or, like I mentioned, if you go back and read. I mentioned that if Loki siphoned his strength as well, then he was also dealt with with incredible ease. RK Thor was so powerful, that Asgard as a whole was at most as potent as a house made of cards, as we see how easily RK Thor was able to deal with one that held an intimate connection with it. Or, should we play pretend that Loki was at best a High Herald despite his testimony of the power that he appropriated over a period of time?

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he wasn't above Odin.

So nowhere in the comic did it explicitly stated that Thor gave both of his eyes because Odin only gave one and then he did something else? My memory is obviously a little hazy as it's been awhile, but that keeps popping in my head.

Which is really my only reason, pretty sure it said he was meant to be.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Two different Handbooks confirm the same.

https://i.imgur.com/XzRHBpW.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/ykDhPQpx/image.jpg

"Thor sacrificed his life to gain the Odin's power and wisdom". Originally posted by abhilegend
Another handbook confirming the same as what I said.

https://i.postimg.cc/wTyyKX2c/image.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway since Dambo is backing out of the BZ, I'll make my argument right here.

RKT got Odinforce and Runes just like Odin did. From Thor 84.

https://i.postimg.cc/cg92zjs5/RCO003.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/LgJwFT54/RCO004.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hhvHmSsF/RCO005.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/xqZByWpX/RCO006.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/0bJFtchc/RCO007.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/nXb5NqJZ/RCO008.jpg

Unlike Odin he had to die and reborn to get the power of the runes because the cyclic nature of Ragnarok made sacrifices lesser, that's why Thor had to pluck out both his eyes instead of one.

https://i.postimg.cc/jqFvqQf3/RCO022.jpg

Thor had only one advantage on Odin, he had lived as a mortal (which was a gift from Odin) and thus his actions were shielded from both Those who sit in the Shadows and Odinforce itself.

https://i.postimg.cc/SJsxwHcL/RCO011.jpg

Recap and ending page of Thor 85 says the same.

https://i.postimg.cc/FYy8GH1T/RCO002.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zLpMZ2CW/RCO020.jpg

Thor wasn't more powerful or knowledgeable than Odin, he was shielded from the older gods and fates themselves due to having lived as a mortal.

Would Mangog's punches have any effect on the Herald King Thor? Yes they would. All of this dishonest prancing about was completely unnecessary.

RK Thor wins.

This shit again?

Yep. One can, and the other can't.

You're just writing fanfiction.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway since Dambo is backing out of the BZ, I'll make my argument right here.

RKT got Odinforce and Runes just like Odin did. From Thor 84.

https://i.postimg.cc/cg92zjs5/RCO003.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/LgJwFT54/RCO004.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hhvHmSsF/RCO005.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/xqZByWpX/RCO006.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/0bJFtchc/RCO007.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/nXb5NqJZ/RCO008.jpg

Unlike Odin he had to die and reborn to get the power of the runes because the cyclic nature of Ragnarok made sacrifices lesser, that's why Thor had to pluck out both his eyes instead of one.

https://i.postimg.cc/jqFvqQf3/RCO022.jpg

Thor had only one advantage on Odin, he had lived as a mortal (which was a gift from Odin) and thus his actions were shielded from both Those who sit in the Shadows and Odinforce itself.

https://i.postimg.cc/SJsxwHcL/RCO011.jpg

Recap and ending page of Thor 85 says the same.

https://i.postimg.cc/FYy8GH1T/RCO002.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zLpMZ2CW/RCO020.jpg

Thor wasn't more powerful or knowledgeable than Odin, he was shielded from the older gods and fates themselves due to having lived as a mortal.

Oh i'll do the BZ, but you need to argue what I'm trying to debate, not something else.

Your stance needs to be: RKT is only slightly above Odin. And mine is that he is notceably above Odin.

Or, you think RKT is >= Odin and I say he is simply > Odin.

We can argue how to operationally define that, but you cannot take the stance that they are equal.

So, no backing out here lol.

I'm not precisely intimated by you:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t655309.html

5-0 , Abhi baby.

I read the entire BZ. Good stuff.

Really not sure how Strange would be able to drain Mjolnir and destroy it.

Strange has nowhere near the power or capabilities to mess with Mjolnir at that level without some ridiculous prep. Every time Strange has encountered Asgardian magic, it was clear it was potent/superior to anything else he deals with.

For example, a SINGLE branch from the World Tree made him the powerful he's ever been before (And Loki stalemated him):
https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/doctor-strange-god-of-magic.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=1117

Asgardian magic is the most powerful out of all divine pantheons.

Also that scan of Strange "beating" Thor was just a straight up lie lmao

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're just writing fanfiction.

You're using past events as a means to piece together something that happened much later. Scaling oftentimes changes with time as in this particular case.

The Herald King wasn't able to no sell several attacks that RK Thor wouldn't have even noticed. Loki and his forces for example, would have destroyed Beta Ray Bill.

So how do you skate around the boulder that clearly stunned the Herald King? I take your reluctance to post that one scan as an admittance of you admitting that you are wrong across the board. The scan of the boulder is what I'm talking about, just in case you're confused. Then you can post the scan of Beta Ray Bill bloodying the Herald King's mouth with an assault. Comparatively speaking, RK Thor is on a completly different level. It's like comparing a full powered Phoenix Avatar to an average Green Goblin.

Originally posted by Stoic
You're using past events as a means to piece together something that happened much later. Scaling oftentimes changes with time as in this particular case.

The Herald King wasn't able to no sell several attacks that RK Thor wouldn't have even noticed. Loki and his forces for example, would have destroyed Beta Ray Bill.

So how do you skate around the boulder that clearly stunned the Herald King? I take your reluctance to post that one scan as an admittance of you admitting that you are wrong across the board. The scan of the boulder is what I'm talking about, just in case you're confused. Then you can post the scan of Beta Ray Bill bloodying the Herald King's mouth with an assault. Comparatively speaking, RK Thor is on a completly different level. It's like comparing a full powered Phoenix Avatar to an average Green Goblin.

Tbf, none of Rage, celey or Dambo would engage you on this point; I wonder why?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tbf, none of Rage, celey or Dambo would engage you on this point; I wonder why?

Probably because it isn't that tough to see which of the two would win with ease. Arguing the point just seems very contrary to me. We know for a fact that to be Asgard (As stated by Loki) one would have to be the master of that realm. Odin is a prime example. We see this citing in his battle with Thanos. We later see the same for All Father Thor, as it states the bonuses that come from being the All Father of Asgard. Loki at that time was no different. Look how easily RK Thor dealt with him.

This is a mismatch of Epic proportions. RK Thor is greater than a grouping of Elder Gods, who in turn are greater than Odin.

It states that Mangog's Magic was siphoned. It says nothing about his legendary strength.

It states "To give everything is to do anything". Everything? His life? Odin sacrificed an eye, and gained limited affinity to the Runes. Thor on the other hand gave everything, and gained an intimate bond with the Runes which allowed him to access far more power from them.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Oh i'll do the BZ, but you need to argue what I'm trying to debate, not something else.

Your stance needs to be: RKT is only slightly above Odin. And mine is that he is notceably above Odin.

Or, you think RKT is >= Odin and I say he is simply > Odin.

So you want your cake and eat it too, no matter who wins its going to prove RKT is more powerful than Odin.

One match is hardly the measure of me. If you are so unafraid, why don't you do this BZ as I want. Surely you can beat me there?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I read the entire BZ. Good stuff.

Really not sure how Strange would be able to drain Mjolnir and destroy it.

Strange has nowhere near the power or capabilities to mess with Mjolnir at that level without some ridiculous prep. Every time Strange has encountered Asgardian magic, it was clear it was potent/superior to anything else he deals with.

For example, a SINGLE branch from the World Tree made him the powerful he's ever been before (And Loki stalemated him):
https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/doctor-strange-god-of-magic.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=1117

Asgardian magic is the most powerful out of all divine pantheons.

Also that scan of Strange "beating" Thor was just a straight up lie lmao

Originally posted by Stoic
Probably because it isn't that tough to see which of the two would win with ease. Arguing the point just seems very contrary to me. We know for a fact that to be Asgard (As stated by Loki) one would have to be the master of that realm. Odin is a prime example. We see this citing in his battle with Thanos. We later see the same for All Father Thor, as it states the bonuses that come from being the All Father of Asgard. Loki at that time was no different. Look how easily RK Thor dealt with him.

This is a mismatch of Epic proportions. RK Thor is greater than a grouping of Elder Gods, who in turn are greater than Odin.

It states that Mangog's Magic was siphoned. It says nothing about his legendary strength.

It states "To give everything is to do anything". Everything? His life? Odin sacrificed an eye, and gained limited affinity to the Runes. Thor on the other hand gave everything, and gained an intimate bond with the Runes which allowed him to access far more power from them.


Your fanfiction is amusing.

I must be missing something.

Abhiligend thinks Odin = RKT, and Dam thinks RKT >>> Odin. Can Damb show than RKT > Odin, or does it have to be within concrete parameters for the BZ to count?

If it's the latter, you technically can both lose the battle zone lmao ex: Judges think RKT >> Odin

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I must be missing something.

Abhiligend thinks Odin = RKT, and Dam thinks RKT >>> Odin. Can Damb show than RKT > Odin, or does it have to be within concrete parameters for the BZ to count?

If it's the latter, you technically can both lose the battle zone lmao ex: Judges think RKT >> Odin

In that case, Galan wins a s he was arguing that RKT is only slightly above Odin.

It's a 3way with 2 participants lol.

Meanwhile, Stoic is arguing that Herald Thor is weak sauce.....

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you want your cake and eat it too, no matter who wins its going to prove RKT is more powerful than Odin.

One match is hardly the measure of me. If you are so unafraid, why don't you do this BZ as I want. Surely you can beat me there?

Well yeah.

I know man, I'm just busting your balls a bit.

But fine, you want to do one that proves RKT is just > Odin, period ? We can do that i suppose. Then I'll do the other one with someone else I guess 🤷‍♂️

Originally posted by Stoic
It states that Mangog's Magic was siphoned. It says nothing about his legendary strength. Where exactly do you think Mangog's strength comes from? Do you honestly believe that a Mangog with his magics siphoned away would still be as physically strong as a Mangog with all his magics intact?


As an example, do you think this Galactus:
https://i.ibb.co/FYhKh2d/Beta-Ray-Bill-Godhunter-003-002.jpg

Was still as physically strong as this Galactus:
https://i.ibb.co/9yv0rNb/Annihilation-006-002.jpg

If so... Why?
If not... Why?

Originally posted by Stoic
It states "To give everything is to do anything". Everything? His life? Odin sacrificed an eye, and gained limited affinity to the Runes. Thor on the other hand gave everything, and gained an intimate bond with the Runes which allowed him to access far more power from them. The locations did not honor the same sacrifice twice. That is why Thor had to go further with all his sacrifices than Odin had. That is why Thor had to give both eyes(instead of just one), to drink from the Well of Mimir:
https://i.ibb.co/cX3sx5F/18.jpg https://i.ibb.co/QcLgD4Z/19.jpg
*Thor tried sacrificing just one eye at first, but the Well didn't validate that sacrifice because Odin had already done the same thing. Hence why he had to give both eyes for the Well to fill.


Thor sacrificing more than Odin does NOT mean he gained more of an amp than Odin had by default. It's essentially what he *had* to do for his sacrifices to be recognized at all.

imo rkt > odin

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I must be missing something.

Abhiligend thinks Odin = RKT, and Dam thinks RKT >>> Odin. Can Damb show than RKT > Odin, or does it have to be within concrete parameters for the BZ to count?

If it's the latter, you technically can both lose the battle zone lmao ex: Judges think RKT >> Odin

No, youre not.

That's why I didn't want to do it, but I'm game so long as the judges are aware that this is strictly whether Rune King is stronger than Odin or not, not about the extent of the power.

I can do another BZ for that.

Abhi, I heard that if u subscribe with pay on Dambo's channel, it gains access to his bz tactics. It's under the heading, "RKT feats, antifeats, and relative comparisons..."

$50 is steep though. He doesnt even give pandemic discounts. What a scheister that Dambo!

Hey, hey, hey, I'm trying to win here !

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Abhi, I heard that if u subscribe with pay on Dambo's channel, it gains access to his bz tactics. It's under the heading, "RKT feats, antifeats, and relative comparisons..."

$50 is steep though. He doesnt even give pandemic discounts. What a scheister that Dambo!


lmao

Originally posted by Stoic
Probably because it isn't that tough to see which of the two would win with ease. Arguing the point just seems very contrary to me. We know for a fact that to be Asgard (As stated by Loki) one would have to be the master of that realm. Odin is a prime example. We see this citing in his battle with Thanos. We later see the same for All Father Thor, as it states the bonuses that come from being the All Father of Asgard. Loki at that time was no different. Look how easily RK Thor dealt with him.

This is a mismatch of Epic proportions. RK Thor is greater than a grouping of Elder Gods, who in turn are greater than Odin.

It states that Mangog's Magic was siphoned. It says nothing about his legendary strength.

It states "To give everything is to do anything". Everything? His life? Odin sacrificed an eye, and gained limited affinity to the Runes. Thor on the other hand gave everything, and gained an intimate bond with the Runes which allowed him to access far more power from them.

To help you out:
https://i.postimg.cc/HVgk84Rn/RCO010.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/jL4dHnYX/RCO011.jpg

"...Even now he reshapes Asgard to suit his own needs. As Loki's powers grow, Thor and the others find their powers wane...."

Loki was getting stronger throughout the entire run. Every victory added to his power. By the end, when he said he was Asgard, taking that as literal and him being a Skyfather would be very reasonable. The energies/power in Asgard can make you Skyfather + alone (See Odin vs. Seth). Also, in Asgard, symbolic victory grants power.

All of Loki's allies such as Fenris became more powerful over the coming days/victories:
https://i.postimg.cc/BP692bTh/RCO015.jpg

Links aren't working

Oops:
https://i.postimg.cc/B8jG8XCM/RCO010.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/t18GFpSy/RCO011.jpg

Also:
https://i.postimg.cc/sGXPyCzQ/RCO014.jpg

"You must become more than the All-father!"

But I don't want to spoil Damborg's BZ with too much evidence, so I'll step back from this.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Also:
https://i.postimg.cc/sGXPyCzQ/RCO014.jpg

"You must become more than the All-father!" There are a few ways to interpret that, because you could also argue that Thor's experiences with humanity/mortality(and not necessarily his raw power) did make him "more" than Odin, because he was ultimately able to break the Ragnarok cycle(something Odin could not do, because he lacked said humanity/mortality.)

But either way, that scan is still one of the only reasons why I am willing to credit RKT with perhaps being slightly beyond Odin.

You're giving Rage a stroke now.

...

Keep doing what you're doing

@galan
How do you define slightly?

0.1 inch vin

Originally posted by LordGod
@galan
How do you define slightly? I mean it in the sense that RKT could perhaps nudge Odin out in a fight. ie. if the two fought, RKT might win after a very close/grueling battle.

I definitely don't see RKT popping in and easily throttling Odin, which is the pedestal that some people seem to put him on for whatever reason.

Originally posted by Galan007
There are a few ways to interpret that, because you could also argue that Thor's experiences with humanity/mortality(and not necessarily his raw power) did make him "more" than Odin, because he was ultimately able to break the Ragnarok cycle(something Odin could not do, because he lacked said humanity/mortality.)

But either way, that scan is still one of the only reasons why I am willing to credit RKT with perhaps being slightly beyond Odin.

And even then it was stated that his human experience only made him harder to predict than Odin. It really had nothing to do with power too.

unless you guys think skyfathers can easily destroy the world tree which connect the multiverse.

those who shit above in shadows that don't wipe view skyfathers like odin the same way odin view pissant like rage

Yggdrasil was never destroyed by Thor though, he only cut the thread of fates.

MrMind is a thorbag??????????????

Originally posted by Damborgson
Well yeah.

I know man, I'm just busting your balls a bit.

But fine, you want to do one that proves RKT is just > Odin, period ? We can do that i suppose. Then I'll do the other one with someone else I guess 🤷‍♂️
Ok. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oops:
https://i.postimg.cc/B8jG8XCM/RCO010.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/t18GFpSy/RCO011.jpg

Also:
https://i.postimg.cc/sGXPyCzQ/RCO014.jpg

"You must become more than the All-father!"

But I don't want to spoil Damborg's BZ with too much evidence, so I'll step back from this.
I have three different Handbooks informing that he only had power of Odin.

But no, one ambiguous sentence means he was above Odin when even later he was stated to posses "wisdom of Odin".

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/--wxvg52PMyc/VntfDZ0mf2I/AAAAAAAAkrU/WGxufq6b_Cg/s1600-Ic42/RCO006.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yggdrasil was never destroyed by Thor though, he only cut the thread of fates.

I showed you the scan, retard

That was like the most vague bullshit answer ever

And this fuking nerd is just here coming up theories to match his imaginary fairytales

You Samoan boot licker

Rkt is above Odin by a large margin

Galactus is multiversal at his peak

So yeah rkt would wreck any skyfathers with a handwave

I say rkt is more powerful though, his omniscience made him pretty much a deity

Ending the thread of fate and destroying yggdrasil which connect infinite realities

Rkt is slowly reaching multiversal level

Sure, carver.of.olympus.

Originally posted by MrMind
1. Rkt is above Odin by a large margin

2. Galactus is multiversal at his peak

So yeah rkt would wreck any skyfathers with a handwave

I say rkt is more powerful though, his omniscience made him pretty much a deity

Ending the thread of fate and destroying yggdrasil which connect infinite realities

Rkt is slowly reaching multiversal level
1. By what feats?
2. By what feats?

Originally posted by h1a8
1. By what feats?
2. By what feats?

1. Mangog was going to tear Odin apart, and RK Thor didn't even flinch from his punches. That's just 1.

2. Galactus got worked by Herald King Thor, who did not show even 1% of RK Thor's toughness.

Pretty simple.

Originally posted by Stoic
1. Mangog was going to tear Odin apart, and RK Thor didn't even flinch from his punches. That's just 1.

2. Galactus got worked by Herald King Thor, who did not show even 1% of RK Thor's toughness.

Pretty simple.
1. Mangog and Thanos needed to poison Odin to stand a chance and Mangog got killed by a normal Thor previously. Where was he going to kill Odin?
2. Herald Thor didn't show toughness? How?

Originally posted by MrMind
Rkt is above Odin by a large margin

Galactus is multiversal at his peak

So yeah rkt would wreck any skyfathers with a handwave

I say rkt is more powerful though, his omniscience made him pretty much a deity

Ending the thread of fate and destroying yggdrasil which connect infinite realities

Rkt is slowly reaching multiversal level Thor explicitly stated that he could not defeat the Fates outright, as he lacked the power to change what has been written.

So I'm unsure why you think him severing a single strand from the Loom of Fate(which imploded Yggdrasil as a corollary, thereby ending the cycle of Ragnarok) makes him this multiversal deity..? As explained, RKT's ability to end the Ragnarok cycle had less to do with raw power, and more to do with his experiences with humanity/mortality(again, this was explicitly stated.)

And for what it's worth, Odin foresaw Thor's triumph from the beginning, and essentially engineered everything that RKT went through. He knew Thor would be outside the 'loop', and therefore able to stop Ragnarok.

Originally posted by Stoic
1. Mangog was going to tear Odin apart, and RK Thor didn't even flinch from his punches. That's just 1.

2. Galactus got worked by Herald King Thor, who did not show even 1% of RK Thor's toughness.

Pretty simple.

1.Mangog didn't punch Thor. Thor stopped him with some sort of forcefield.
Mangog didn't tear Odin apart.


2. That doesn't prove that Galactus is multiverse.

Please stop responding on behalf of others. Let them defend their own arguments.

Originally posted by h1a8
1.Mangog didn't punch Thor. Thor stopped him with some sort of forcefield.
Mangog didn't tear Odin apart.


2. That doesn't prove that Galactus is multiverse.

Please stop responding on behalf of others. Let them defend their own arguments.

Mangog did assault RK Thor. Better go back and find pertinent scans, because you must have missed it. What force field? His durability is all that's shown. Stop lying.

Recently when Mangog visited Asgard, Odin was unable to stop him, and Mangog would've destroyed him if no intervention took place. You're one of the most dishonest posters on this board. Just stop posting period.

Here you go bud, where did Thor tank Mangogs punch? Unless you mean
he stopped his charge.

Originally posted by Stoic
Mangog did assault RK Thor. Better go back and find pertinent scans, because you must have missed it. What force field? His durability is all that's shown. Stop lying.


https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7b3fd8b08b64f21b5703985d624735d1

Thor "tanked" his punches before that scene... because the runes magic was protecting him and Mangog was weakened.

Here's the full scene:

https://i.ibb.co/1zNV0KF/gog01.jpg https://i.ibb.co/JBtQRC7/gog02.jpg https://i.ibb.co/RvTNYkF/gog03.jpg

Mangog's magic was siphoned. Was it explicitly stated that he was physically weakened? He appears to be oblivious to any physical handicap. Again it says that Loki siphoned Mangog's magic. The punches had no effect. Odin had a much smaller portion of Rune power, and was recently unable to stop Mangog's attack on Asgard. One on one, Mangog would've destroyed him.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Here you go bud, where did Thor tank Mangogs punch? Unless you mean
he stopped his charge.



https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7b3fd8b08b64f21b5703985d624735d1

Thank you Stilt.

Pay attention:

https://i.ibb.co/Fbdwbcp/gog04.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/SPVgkht/gog05.jpg

Did the Herald King undergo the sacrifice of the Runes? Not to my knowledge. He still has both eyes. He's likely equal to Odin due to having the Power Cosmic an Mjolnir which has long been a difference maker. So an argument can be brought up that The Herald King is Odin's equal, but he most certainly isn't RK Thor's equal based on the full weight of their individual sacrifices. Odin gave up an eye, Thor gave up his life. Huge difference.

He has the Odinforce and the Power Cosmic, but no runes.

Originally posted by Stoic
He still has both eyes.

The Power Cosmic restored him, giving him a new eye and a new arm.

But like I said, he doesn't have the access to the runes' magic.

"Just" Mjolnir, Odinforce and Power Cosmic --- which are a deadly combo, to be honest.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Pay attention:

https://i.ibb.co/Fbdwbcp/gog04.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/SPVgkht/gog05.jpg

Even though spelled differently Loki siphoned/syphoned Mangog's magic. Is there any evidence that this made Mangog physically weaker?

The Herald King was hurt by boulders thrown by beings that were much weaker than Mangog is truly all that's needed.

Thoom Thoom Thoom Thoom was the noise that Mangog made while simply walking, which indicates unprecedented poweer. So again, Mangog was oblivious to any physical handicap.