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Abhi and I are going to have a BZ about RKT's power level.

Abhi can weigh in on his stance, but im going to argue:

Rune King Thor is noticeably+ stronger than Odin.

And Abhi will argue thats not true, that they're closer to equals.

Yes ?

Okay, now we need judges !

Define" noticeably" -if there's one thing Ive learnt, what's obvious to one side isn't to the other.

My stance is that RKT isn't more powerful than Odin.

I'll tag in as a judge.

Originally posted by abhilegend
My stance is that RKT isn't more powerful than Odin.

Then that is simpler. All Damborg needs to show is that RKT is more powerful - by100%, 50%, 1%, doesn't matter. Cool.

I'm looking forward to this.

I lean on the side that RKT is more powerful but I can definitely be swayed if proof is shown otherwise.

Originally posted by Damborgson


Okay, now we need judges !
I recommend pr, km, beatboks

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then that is simpler. All Damborg needs to show is that RKT is more powerful - by100%, 50%, 1%, doesn't matter. Cool. If Dambo only proves that RKT is "slightly" above Odin, I'll expect a formal apology in the other thread.

haw-som

Yeah Abhi that really isn't what I'm going for...makes it almost pointless.

Well, sucks for you.

this is why I thought we should clarify in advance.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, sucks for you.

Not really, you just don't serve my purpose 🤷‍♂️

baka

Sorry, we're just not arguing the same parameters. If Galan is ever interested ill wait for him.

We can still do a Thor vs Superman one though or something!

Originally posted by Damborgson
Sorry, we're just not arguing the same parameters. If Galan is ever interested ill wait for him.
Huh? You prove RKT is more powerful than Odin, I will prove otherwise.

How's that for you?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Sorry, we're just not arguing the same parameters. If Galan is ever interested ill wait for him. Probably won't happen on my end(like I said in the other thread, BZ's just don't appeal to me anymore.)

But there would still need to be strict parameters being argued in that kind of BZ. Like, I could buy the notion that RKT is perhaps slightly above Odin-level(even though I don't think the "gap" would be significant at all), but what exactly would you be arguing? That he is superior to Galactus, Eternity, LT? What, exactly?

You need to have some kind of guidelines in place, because your definition of "noticeably+" beyond Odin might be a lot different than others. It's too vague, imo. /shrug

Originally posted by abhilegend
Huh? You prove RKT is more powerful than Odin, I will prove otherwise.

How's that for you? If that's what the BZ parameters are, then I don't see what the hold up is, tbh?

You're arguing that RKT caps at Odin-level. Dambo is arguing he's above Odin-level.

That seems pretty clear-cut.

Moreover, Dambo is going for NOTICEABLY more powerful compared to Odin.

Abhi is going for 0% more powerful (i.e. equal) compared to Odin.

Not sure why this doesn't serve Dambo's purpose....

Oh its very simple actually.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Moreover, Dambo is going for NOTICEABLY more powerful compared to Odin.

Abhi is going for 0% more powerful (i.e. equal) compared to Odin.

Not sure why this doesn't serve Dambo's purpose....

My purpose was to prove that he's noticeably more powerful than Odin, not that he's more powerful at all to begin with 🤷‍♂️

It stems from Galans position that hes only at best slightly stronger. I want to say he's more than slightly.

But we run into difficulty giving an operational definition to those terms.

Surely by proving he's noticeably more powerful you'll show he's......more powerful?

Yes, but I need it to be more than slight.

The verdict would have to be essentially thay Thor is a solid > Odin, not Thor >= Odin.

That's where I thought Abhi was going to pick up Galans argument.

Wait a sec lol. You mean that Loki had Mangog's power plus the power of a Sky Father like Odin, and RK Thor casually plucked his head off like a grape? Lol but yeah, he's Odin level.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Yes, but I need it to be more than slight.

The verdict would have to be essentially thay Thor is a solid > Odin, not Thor >= Odin.

That's where I thought Abhi was going to pick up Galans argument. But there again, what does "solid" mean, exactly? That RKT would stomp Odin 10/10 times in a battle(essentially putting him on the level of a fed Galactus, if not above)..?

If that is what you're trying to showcase, then BZ'ing abhi makes sense. He's only arguing that RKT is equal to Odin(no more, no less.) So if you're arguing that RKT is above Odin-level, the degree to which he's above him would surely surface in the BZ either way, no?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Yes, but I need it to be more than slight.

The verdict would have to be essentially thay Thor is a solid > Odin, not Thor >= Odin.

That's where I thought Abhi was going to pick up Galans argument.

Then that would be up to you to show, imo.

So let's say we are BZing Luke Cage Vs Superman in strength. I argue they're equal,you argue Superman is way stronger.

During the course of our BZ, you show Superman being much stronger than Cage. Then.....you've showed Superman being much stronger.

And the judge's decisions in favour of you would reflect this.

No.

And here's why:

My interest is very specifically detailed towards the disagreement I had with Galan. He thinks RKT is slightly stronger than Odin, and would intend to prove it, and i say he is significantly stronger, and intend to prove it.

I consider that very simple. By adding in other variables, judges no longer have a straight Galan or Dambo verdict.

Because there's wiggle room in between to answer something else. Everyrhing between equal to significant.

And that wasn't what I was disputing with Galan.

So Dambo's position is that RTK is stronger to the point that Odin is not relative at all vs Abhi's position that they are equal, or at least relative to each other?

Just trying to understand.

I have no dog in this race if judges are still needed.

Originally posted by Damborgson
No.

And here's why:

My interest is very specifically detailed towards the disagreement I had with Galan. He thinks RKT is slightly stronger than Odin, and would intend to prove it, and i say he is significantly stronger, and intend to prove it.

I consider that very simple. By adding in other variables, judges no longer have a straight Galan or Dambo verdict.

Because there's wiggle room in between to answer something else. Everyrhing between equal to significant.

And that wasn't what I was disputing with Galan.
Then my original post stands.

What do you define as significant?

RK Thor was a solid Cosmic level power, well above the Sky Father tier, and even above Elder Gods like the Ones that sit above in Shadows as narrated. He was backed by the totality of the Runes, and had a much greater bond with them than Odin.

Actually no, he didn't.

VsB says that RKT is a multiversal being.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)#Rune%20King%20Thor

Originally posted by nortonek
VsB says that RKT is a multiversal being.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)#Rune%20King%20Thor



Yeah but Abhi won't accept that fact.

Originally posted by nortonek
VsB says that RKT is a multiversal being.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)#Rune%20King%20Thor


Vs battle wiki is idiotic.

If RK Thor was Odin level, Loki would've crucified him.

How so?

Originally posted by Damborgson
No.

And here's why:

My interest is very specifically detailed towards the disagreement I had with Galan. He thinks RKT is slightly stronger than Odin, and would intend to prove it, and i say he is significantly stronger, and intend to prove it.

I consider that very simple. By adding in other variables, judges no longer have a straight Galan or Dambo verdict.

Because there's wiggle room in between to answer something else. Everyrhing between equal to significant.

And that wasn't what I was disputing with Galan. I mean, if you were able to prove in your BZ with abhi that RKT is "significantly" above Odin, then I would happily concede the point... I don't need judges verdicts to comprehend the information posted on my own.

For what it's worth, I'm not stuck on the notion that RKT is Odin-level. But wanking/headcanon aside, I have legitimately never seen anything posted here(or discovered anything from the issues themselves) that confirm such. Everything I've found indicates that RKT and Odin were peers, with perhaps a slight edge to RKT at best.

If you are able to definitively prove that RKT is leagues above Odin, however, then props to you.

Destroying yggdrasil and defeating those who shit above in shadows alone put him well above skyfathers no?

Those who shit above are to asgardians what asgardians are to us hoooomans

Originally posted by nortonek
VsB says that RKT is a multiversal being.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)#Rune%20King%20Thor

Originally posted by MrMind
Destroying yggdrasil and defeating those who shit above in shadows alone put him well above skyfathers no?

Those who shit above are to asgardians what asgardians are to us hoooomans
Yggdrasil was never destroyed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yggdrasil was never destroyed.

............................................

tada

https://i.imgur.com/LLaFWEB.png

Originally posted by Damborgson
My purpose was to prove that he's noticeably more powerful than Odin, not that he's more powerful at all to begin with 🤷‍♂️

It stems from Galans position that hes only at best slightly stronger. I want to say he's more than slightly.

But we run into difficulty giving an operational definition to those terms. In essence -- abhi says they're equal, you say RKT is far above.

If by far above, you mean that he would stomp Odin in direct power, while Abhi means that it would essentially be close to a stalemate in power, the conditions would be that one of you have to prove the extreme.

If the judges think that they're not equal, but close, you both lose, lol.

Originally posted by MrMind
............................................

tada

https://i.imgur.com/LLaFWEB.png
Nope.

https://i.postimg.cc/yg6B5GSM/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/LgnS4ZDv/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/V56mW3wM/image.jpg

BRB visits Yggdrasil and Asgard after Ragnarok.

doesn't disprove my point but ok

Lol correction.

If judges think they're not equal,but close, Galan wins

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then my original post stands.

What do you define as significant?

More than slight.

It would be very much up to the judges to decide that I had provided enough proof to look as if it were than a "slight" difference.

Unless someone else can help me operationally define this.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
So Dambo's position is that RTK is stronger to the point that Odin is not relative at all vs Abhi's position that they are equal, or at least relative to each other?

Just trying to understand.

I have no dog in this race if judges are still needed.

No, just that RKT is > Odin, not that RKT is maybe >= Odin.

I would like to go through with it but Abhi isn't arguing from the original challenge, and however small the difference might be it doesn't really benefit me to take the challenge as it's currently phrased.

Originally posted by Galan007
I mean, if you were able to prove in your BZ with abhi that RKT is "significantly" above Odin, then I would happily concede the point... I don't need judges verdicts to comprehend the information posted on my own.

For what it's worth, I'm not stuck on the notion that RKT is Odin-level. But wanking/headcanon aside, I have legitimately never seen anything posted here(or discovered anything from the issues themselves) that confirm such. Everything I've found indicates that RKT and Odin were peers, with perhaps a slight edge to RKT at best.

If you are able to definitively prove that RKT is leagues above Odin, however, then props to you.

I truly and honestly think I could.

And if I can't, well then that's that.

And I don't think RKT is "leagues" persay, but he is undoubtedly superior to > Odin. Is my stance you could say.

Or you're simply backing away from the BZ citing random excuses. What should be my stance if you agree to BZ anyways?

RK Thor is in a completely different weight class. This is like comparing Namor to Harry Osborne. Like RK Thor said, he gave up everything, to do anything, while Odin gave an eye.

Because due to cyclical nature of Ragnarok, the same sacrifice wouldn't work twice. Its outright stated.

Therefore he had to go further than Odin ever did, which resulted in him doing things that Odin never could. I'm glad that you're finally coming around. RK Thor was vastly more powerful than Elder Gods, who are vastly more powerful than Odin. If the Ones that sit above in Shadow could've stopped him, they certainly wouldn't have begged him to reconsider his position.

Originally posted by Stoic
Therefore he had to go further than Odin ever did, which resulted in him doing things that Odin never could. I'm glad that you're finally coming around. RK Thor was vastly more powerful than Elder Gods, who are vastly more powerful than Odin. If the Ones that sit above in Shadow could've stopped him, they certainly wouldn't have begged him to reconsider his position.
No, he received the same power and same wisdom by doing more sacrifice.

Okay this has taken a slight turn:

Abhis position: RKT is equal to Odin.

My position: RKT is stronger than Odin.

Judges are not to comment on the degree of power that Thor surpasses Odin, only whether he does or does not.

That said, judges would be greatly appreciated

Ok

Does 09/20 sound good to start Abhi?

Abhi will destroy the part of your brain infected by Rage.of.Somalia with his new Makankosappo technique.

...

Just be sure to stay still and don't move an inch.

Abhi has backed out.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Abhi has backed out.
More like lost interest in it.

Honestly, you know I like you both -- but this would have been boring as hell.

It's like arguing whether a car can go at 100 mph or 100.1 mph.

Then again, most battlezones that are not fights but specific minutiae would be like this.

More like 100 mph or 10,000 mph. Loki was treated like a gnat. Unless there are those that believe that Loki had no amp, and was operating at base levels despite what was written.

You should get this sexual tension out of the way and do a relaxing match-up in which you're not both emotionally invested in the characters. Switch companies, go for less used characters, make it fun -- like Dambo's Firestorm vs Abhi's Black Bolt or something random like that.

🤔 that could work i suppose...

Originally posted by Damborgson
You said yes, then you said no. That's backing out.

https://i.imgur.com/mcm1dfG.png

I'm not talking shit, that's just what happened.



Yeah, I don't think anyone would have been at the edge of our seats for this one lol. Was more of a personal thing for me...
I don't care at all.

Shut up Abhi yes you do.

We all do.

I don't.

Please lol. All insistent about taking a BZ I wasn't looking for at first.

Then I accept, and you back out.

Either way, you're a little *****