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With or without them the drug trade would thrive.

I'd remove them altogether.

You're an idiot if you don't understand why we have them.

Borders separate nations, they separate states, counties, and cities as well. If we did away with borders entirely the United States would stop being the United States. You don't have to be a genius to get that.

Only a globalist loving USA-hating commie idiot wants to do away with borders altogether. What a stupid question to ask. Next are you going to ask why we have a Constitution as well? Why we have capitalism instead of communism? Why the sky is blue? Why water is wet? LOL.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
You're an idiot if you don't understand why we have them.

Borders separate nations, they separate states, counties, and cities as well. If we did away with borders entirely the United States would stop being the United States. You don't have to be a genius to get that.

Only a globalist loving USA-hating commie idiot wants to do away with borders altogether. What a stupid question to ask. Next are you going to ask why we have a Constitution as well? Why we have capitalism instead of communism? Why the sky is blue? Why water is wet? LOL. So we should keep poor families out of america where they'd have a fair shot at life because if we don't we stop being the US?...

I'm not talking about planes and shit, I'm talking exclusively about the land connected to us, Canada and Mexico, oh yeah we're in real danger if we let the border open up there.

I feel like you're a troll, when you joined all you did was hang out in the gaming forum and talk about Skyrim, now you hang exclusively in the GDF and bash anyone that dislikes Trump and spout borderline racist crap.

Why can't right and wrong be more black and white to people lol, we'd have more peace in the world that way.

I'm not taking the time or effort
to engage with those typical bullshit left-wing talking points. They have already been answered many times by myself and others in the past and I hate repeating myself over and over and over again.


All I will say is that if you want to do away with borders then you're an idiot who hates America and it is not America's job to feed and/or care for the rest of the friggin' world. We have plenty of our own problems and plenty of our own citizens need help w/out having to worry about the rest of the world.

If you have to ask why then you clearly have a very poor understanding of economics and territorial legality.

Originally posted by Impediment
If you have to ask why then you clearly have a very poor understanding of economics and territorial legality. I mean, I do.

I'm just saying, from a moral standpoint. Everything I do, I don't look at the politics, I look at character and whether it's moral or not. -Shrugs-

Errr so go Michael Moore for communist president of the world that has no countries or democracy............ I think John Lennon's corpse is his running mate. Why not?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
With or without them the drug trade would thrive.

I'd remove them altogether.

Do any of the doors of your house have locks on them?

Originally posted by Surtur
Do any of the doors of your house have locks on them? You can get in if you have heroin.

You can get into Jmanghan's house if you have heroin?

Originally posted by Surtur
Do any of the doors of your house have locks on them? A house is a completely different thing then a country.

Anyway like I said I only look at it from a moral standpoint, I don't think too much about the political side of pretty much anything.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
A house is a completely different thing then a country.

Anyway like I said I only look at it from a moral standpoint, I don't think too much about the political side of pretty much anything.

If you think anyone who wants to come here should just be able to come then why not practice what you preach?

Why shouldn't they be able to come into your home without invitation?

You talk about coming from a moral standpoint. Okay, if it's morally wrong to deny someone the ability to come here to create a better life then how is it not morally wrong to deny someone a roof to someone who needs one over their head?

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
You're an idiot if you don't understand why we have them.

Borders separate nations, they separate states, counties, and cities as well. If we did away with borders entirely the United States would stop being the United States. You don't have to be a genius to get that.

Only a globalist loving USA-hating commie idiot wants to do away with borders altogether. What a stupid question to ask. Next are you going to ask why we have a Constitution as well? Why we have capitalism instead of communism? Why the sky is blue? Why water is wet? LOL.

^We have borders because I'm not sharing my free heath care with this guy.

I laugh at the "moral standpoint" argument. The people who want open borders or just do away with them entirely tend to be the same ones who think abortion is totally acceptable even up to the point of birth lmao.


Oh leftists... smh.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
A house is a completely different thing then a country.

Anyway like I said I only look at it from a moral standpoint, I don't think too much about the political side of pretty much anything. "than" not "then" ffs

From a moral standpoint it would be wrong to let any and all people come into a country.

Originally posted by Surtur
From a moral standpoint it would be wrong to let any and all people come into a country.

Agreed.

I refuse to be lectured on morality from people who support widespread infantacide.

So that everyone gets a chance to lead instead of anarchy.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
So we should keep poor families out of america where they'd have a fair shot at life because if we don't we stop being the US?...

I'm not talking about planes and shit, I'm talking exclusively about the land connected to us, Canada and Mexico, oh yeah we're in real danger if we let the border open up there.

I feel like you're a troll, when you joined all you did was hang out in the gaming forum and talk about Skyrim, now you hang exclusively in the GDF and bash anyone that dislikes Trump and spout borderline racist crap.

Why can't right and wrong be more black and white to people lol, we'd have more peace in the world that way.

Does where you live have doors?

Because its not about keeping them out. Its about keeping us in.



Seriously, without borders I'd be heading to live in Canada or some country where they actually look out for each other. But as it stands now you have as much chance of gaining citizenship in the good countries as winning the lottery.


They're happy to send us their undesirables though. Good for picking the fields.

Without borders there wouldn't be a Canada or any other country for that matter so stop your whining, snowflake.

Countries exist BECAUSE of borders.

Without borders the USA would have 297 states instead of 50.

Originally posted by cdtm
Because its not about keeping them out. Its about keeping us in.



Seriously, without borders I'd be heading to live in Canada or some country where they actually look out for each other. But as it stands now you have as much chance of gaining citizenship in the good countries as winning the lottery.


They're happy to send us their undesirables though. Good for picking the fields. Maybe you'd be better off in France?

Actually, states wouldn't exist either without borders to delineate a state's boundaries.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Maybe you'd be better off in France?


France isn't what it used to be, so I'm told.


Corporatism has ruined much of the world. The Gordon Gekko's have completely taken over.

Nobody is better off in France, even France.

What about Monaco or Italy?

Originally posted by Surtur
If you think anyone who wants to come here should just be able to come then why not practice what you preach?

Why shouldn't they be able to come into your home without invitation?

You talk about coming from a moral standpoint. Okay, if it's morally wrong to deny someone the ability to come here to create a better life then how is it not morally wrong to deny someone a roof to someone who needs one over their head? I see your point.

I still think it's ****ed up people can't come to the country to get a better lives for themselves.

Of course you do, snowflake, but you don't think nearly a thousand innocent, defenseless unborn babies being slaughtered in this country every single day is f**ked-up, do you? Nah, course you don't so spare me your fake moral outrage please.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I see your point.

I still think it's ****ed up people can't come to the country to get a better lives for themselves.

Why can't people come to your house to get better lives for themselves?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
So we should keep poor families out of america where they'd have a fair shot at life because if we don't we stop being the US?...


Absolutely. The US Government is elected by US Citizens and serves the US Constitution which is to serve the US Citizens, not foreign nationals who have no right to vote.

If what you suggest is implemented, then these others have no voice, no representation, nothing. They get no rights.

Additionally, your idea assumes the US has infinite resources: we do not. The US already takes in 50% of the world's immigrants. You read that correctly.

Lastly, if you are worried about the poor families around the world, you're more than welcome to illegally transport, house, and feed those families in your own home if you'd like to. No one is stopping you from helping those poor families except for you.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I'm not talking about planes and shit, I'm talking exclusively about the land connected to us, Canada and Mexico, oh yeah we're in real danger if we let the border open up there.

Those are not our countries, as I explained above. We do not have a one world government.

I am for forming the North American Union, however. With one currency and free trade between countries. How is that for a compromise?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Absolutely. The US Government is elected by US Citizens and serves the US Constitution which is to serve the US Citizens, not foreign nationals who have no right to vote.

If what you suggest is implemented, then these others have no voice, no representation, nothing. They get no rights.

Additionally, your idea assumes the US has infinite resources: we do not. The US already takes in 50% of the world's immigrants. You read that correctly.

Lastly, if you are worried about the poor families around the world, you're more than welcome to illegally transport, house, and feed those families in your own home if you'd like to. No one is stopping you from helping those poor families except for you.



Those are not our countries, as I explained above. We do not have a one world government.

I am for forming the North American Union, however. With one currency and free trade between countries. How is that for a compromise?


The entire argument about "poor getting a better life" is slight of hand trickery anyways.



What they really mean, is they want pre-oppressed third worlders who think the minimum wage is great.


This is why you don't see influxes of immigrants from well to do countries. They'd demand a real living wage, and benefits, sick leave, possibly want to unionize, etc..

Originally posted by dadudemon
Absolutely. The US Government is elected by US Citizens and serves the US Constitution which is to serve the US Citizens, not foreign nationals who have no right to vote.

If what you suggest is implemented, then these others have no voice, no representation, nothing. They get no rights.

Additionally, your idea assumes the US has infinite resources: we do not. The US already takes in 50% of the world's immigrants. You read that correctly.

Lastly, if you are worried about the poor families around the world, you're more than welcome to illegally transport, house, and feed those families in your own home if you'd like to. No one is stopping you from helping those poor families except for you.



Those are not our countries, as I explained above. We do not have a one world government.


Not yet, but with what's currently going on in the world I would be very surprised if we don't have one within the next 5-10 years. We'll also have a one-world currency and one-world religion. Bible prophecy predicts it and Bible prophecy is never wrong.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I see your point.

I still think it's ****ed up people can't come to the country to get a better lives for themselves.

Except that usually you can, either as a legal immigrant or as a refugee.

Borders exist for good reason though, and we're better off with them than without them.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Not yet, but with what's currently going on in the world I would be very surprised if we don't have one within the next 5-10 years. We'll also have a one-world currency and one-world religion. Bible prophecy predicts it and Bible prophecy is never wrong.

When you can interpret it any way you want to, sure, I guess.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
With or without them the drug trade would thrive.

I'd remove them altogether.

I believe the book company folded some years ago

Gav! Nice to hear from you, my man!

Originally posted by Blakemore
Gav! Nice to hear from you, my man!

best PM me which alias this is!

I think I made this thread out of anger more then anything, dunno what I was angry about, I think it was the whole "wall" fiasco or something.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I believe the book company folded some years ago ba dum tshh.

Uh... I know that in American politics when the topic of borders comes up we're generally discussing immigration, but the existence of national borders has significance beyond immigration policy. Borders are fundamentally necessary for states. There is some debate as to how and how much we should regulate what crosses our borders, but abolishing them isn't even something that's on the table.

You can check this out. It talks about borders from a rothbardian perspective.

https://mises.org/library/open-borders-are-assault-private-property

Canadas' healthcare although better than the U S is still not great.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why can't people come to your house to get better lives for themselves?

We need to ask what Netherlands is doing with their healthcare:


Healthcare is for crybabies

Is that what they are doing?

I don't want Canada to be part of the U S.

Originally posted by wxyz
Canadas' healthcare although better than the U S is still not great.

At least we don't have to declare bankruptcy due to unpaid medical bills, which is a leading cause of bankruptcy in the states.

When you have A and B it is right to look forward to the rest of the alphabet. Once you have the whole alphabet in the country people will see.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Uh... I know that in American politics when the topic of borders comes up we're generally discussing immigration, but the existence of national borders has significance beyond immigration policy. Borders are fundamentally necessary for states. There is some debate as to how and how much we should regulate what crosses our borders, but abolishing them isn't even something that's on the table.


Why do we need states? Just abolish them.

abolish states, abolish countries, try out anarchy. It's actually nothing like those awful Purge movies suggest it would be.

^I'm gonna assume that was a joke post because surely no one could be so damn stupid as to seriously suggest doing away with states and countries.

Originally posted by cdtm
Why do we need states? Just abolish them.

abolish states, abolish countries, try out anarchy. It's actually nothing like those awful Purge movies suggest it would be.

Great idea. You'd be the first person a r@pe.

Get shaved. I'm going ITBSVNL: In The Butt, Straight Veins, No Lube

I've heard horror stories about healthcare in Canada. Not as in people are getting shitty doctors, but rather when it comes to wait times. People waiting 6-12 months just for an MRI.

So unless the care is substantially superior to the care here I don't think it's worth it.

Plus who wants to go to Canada if it can be avoided?

Originally posted by Surtur
I've heard horror stories about healthcare in Canada. Not as in people are getting shitty doctors, but rather when it comes to wait times. People waiting 6-12 months just for an MRI.

So unless the care is substantially superior to the care here I don't think it's worth it.

Plus who wants to go to Canada if it can be avoided?

I've heard the same things from my Canadian associates/friends.

To see your primary care physician, they are faster than the US average. For any specialist work, it's a nightmare. So get your appointment with your PCP done quickly. Figure out what is wrong with you. Then go to a specialist in the US.

Win win?

Originally posted by Surtur
I've heard horror stories about healthcare in Canada. Not as in people are getting shitty doctors, but rather when it comes to wait times. People waiting 6-12 months just for an MRI.

So unless the care is substantially superior to the care here I don't think it's worth it.

Plus who wants to go to Canada if it can be avoided?

Whatever. You enjoy your country, and I'll enjoy mine.

I was raised on South Park to hate Canada

bOR38552MJA

Canada has good food?

Originally posted by roughrider
Whatever. You enjoy your country, and I'll enjoy mine.



I'll remember to say that to you the next time you talk shit about our great president and all the great things he's done for our country, when you criticize us for our immigration policies, the fact we're building a big beautiful wall along our southern border, or our 2nd amendment rights.

Originally posted by roughrider
At least we don't have to declare bankruptcy due to unpaid medical bills, which is a leading cause of bankruptcy in the states.

True and I'm grateful for that.

Originally posted by Surtur
I've heard horror stories about healthcare in Canada. Not as in people are getting shitty doctors, but rather when it comes to wait times. People waiting 6-12 months just for an MRI.

So unless the care is substantially superior to the care here I don't think it's worth it.

Plus who wants to go to Canada if it can be avoided?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I've heard the same things from my Canadian associates/friends.

To see your primary care physician, they are faster than the US average. For any specialist work, it's a nightmare. So get your appointment with your PCP done quickly. Figure out what is wrong with you. Then go to a specialist in the US.

Win win?

Wait times can be long; but remember; ALL Canadians are covered so that means everyone is in line and will get the care they need.

In America; millions are uninsured so there's less people in line in the first place.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Canada has good food?

We have poutine; so yes.

Sorry but I'll never believe that a system of healthcare that is "free" is better than one you have to pay for.

Not gonna happen no matter how much people try to convince me it is.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Sorry but I'll never believe that a system of healthcare that is "free" is better than one you have to pay for.

Not gonna happen no matter how much people try to convince me it is.

Do you think there's a country in the world where "free" healthcare isn't paid for by taxes?

Like I said, not gonna happen but by all means go ahead and waste your time and energy trying to convince me if it makes ya feel better. Makes no difference to me, bro.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Like I said, not gonna happen but by all means go ahead and waste your time and effort trying to convince me if it makes ya feel better. Makes no difference to me, bro.

That's not what I asked, though.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Canada has good food?

Montreal sure did. Great bagels.

And don't forget the delis.

Don't bother engaging eThneoLgrRnae directly. You could give him a totally reasonable observation and he'll come back at you with a "The sky is green and here's why!" kind of response. He's like the Bill O'Reilly of this forum who thinks shouting someone down is winning an argument. Extremist types aren't worth the effort.

Blah, blah, blah.


Yeah, don't really care if you "engage" with me, dude... nor do I really care about your two-cent Canadian opinion of me either.


You're just a little Canadian shit who is buttmad that my country and my country's leader are far superior to your shitty country and wuss of a leader.


You keep enjoying your shitty country and I'll keep enjoying my great one.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Blah, blah, blah.


Yeah, don't really care if you "engage" with me, dude... nor do I really care about your two-cent Canadian opinion of me either.


You're just a little Canadian shit who is buttmad that my country and my country's leader are far superior to your shitty country and wuss of a leader.


You keep enjoying your shitty country and I'll keep enjoying my great one. durwank

Agree that Trudeau is a wuss but Canada is definitely not a shitty country.

Universal health care is socialist. It's more expensive and less efficient. This can be shown empirically. The idea that it's the governments job to provide healthcare is something that's been arrived at through generations of propaganda efforts.

The job of government is making sure people dont use violence against each other, this promotes pluralism in thought, which would logically condense into geographic concentrations. This would allow each concentrated groups with similar interests to self govern.

What we currently have now, like most other countries, is a state, which is an institution that exists only for the sake of itself, as an unnecessary and criminal middle man between free people. This is anti freedom and anti responsibility.

Proof single payer is more expensive?

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Universal health care is socialist. It's more expensive and less efficient. This can be shown empirically. The idea that it's the governments job to provide healthcare is something that's been arrived at through generations of propaganda efforts.


Yours is the only country in the Western World that doesn't have universal health care. We in Canada, and other Western European nations, look at you and wonder why you can't figure out how it benefits your society as a whole.
The USA does have a great health care system, but only for people of a certain income range and higher.

The American comedian Alonzo Bodden put it quite well (paraphrasing here): 'Canada with universal health care and gay marriage have figured it out easily, that it's not an issue that deserves to battle about like the soul of the nation is at stake.'

Bodden has been to Canada often and has a Canadian wife. He's enlightened. That can happen when you get beyond the borders of your country for a while.

Originally posted by wxyz
Agree that Trudeau is a wuss but Canada is definitely not a shitty country.


You're right. I said it just to piss off the snowflake RR. Canada is actually a beautiful country as most of the North American continent is beautiful.


But yeah, Trudeau is a joke lol. I feel bad for y'all for having that sjw panzy as a "leader."

Originally posted by roughrider
Yours is the only country in the Western World that doesn't have universal health care. We in Canada, and other Western European nations, look at you and wonder why you can't figure out how it benefits your society as a whole.
The USA does have a great health care system, but only for people of a certain income range and higher.

The American comedian Alonzo Bodden put it quite well (paraphrasing here): 'Canada with universal health care and gay marriage have figured it out easily, that it's not an issue that deserves to battle about like the soul of the nation is at stake.'

Bodden has been to Canada often and has a Canadian wife. He's enlightened. That can happen when you get beyond the borders of your country for a while.

Yet Canadians come to the US for most major surgeries? Obviously something is not working in Canada.

Originally posted by wxyz
Agree that Trudeau is a wuss but Canada is definitely not a shitty country. Canada is one of the safest and friendliest country in the world! Free cannabis, free donuts, purest richest healtthiest kind of maple syrup, incredibly low murder rate and all the hunting lessons you could ask for.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Universal health care is socialist. It's more expensive and less efficient.

This is wrong.

Both points are factually incorrect. It's not even disputed by honest anti-UHC peeps in the Republican party. They know our healthcare costs more per person than any other country in the world. And the lack of a universal healthcare system (information) make our healthcare system the most inefficient, when it comes to care, of any other modern nation in the world. We literally have people dying because of our inefficient our system is. Compared to, say, the UK's UHC system where you can travel anywhere in the UK and doctors can quickly pull up your medical records (thus preventing quite a bit of wasted time, death, and injury).

I posted on this topic a lot with the data. Everyone here as seen my amazing work and citations (I am not kidding: the work is amazing and thorough). So I can't tell if you're just a troll or are seriously this ignorant/misinformed.

The answer is obvious: invade the UK and steal their healthcare system.

'Murica.

Originally posted by Surtur
The answer is obvious: invade the UK and steal their healthcare system.

'Murica. The NHS is not what it was.

Originally posted by Surtur
The answer is obvious: invade the UK and steal their healthcare system.

'Murica.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
The NHS is not what it was.

What Whirly said.



UHC is probably THE best UHC system but with obvious weaknesses. Often, UHC scores as the best or in the top 3, by various groups. The UK could make it better by reducing costs and stopping the politicians from messing with the good parts of it (defunding it).

Originally posted by dadudemon
What Whirly said.



UHC is probably THE best UHC system but with obvious weaknesses. Often, UHC scores as the best or in the top 3, by various groups. The UK could make it better by reducing costs and stopping the politicians from messing with the good parts of it (defunding it). Saudi Healthcare is the best I have experienced. It's like France but with better hospitals.

Really?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Saudi Healthcare is the best I have experienced. It's like France but with better hospitals.

I've gone on in the past how the USA should model our healthcare on France's system!

Originally posted by wxyz
Really? Yeah, the hospitals there are amazing and most Doctors are Pakistani, Indian or Egyptian trained in the US, UK or Canado. The nurses are generally Filipino.

Originally posted by snowdragon
I've gone on in the past how the USA should model our healthcare on France's system!


Considering France beats the US in almost every single healthcare quality measure while spending almost half as much per person, your recommendation is based on legit facts.

Add in that the pundits state that the US is most similar to France, already, in our healthcare system and that it would be easiest to adopt France's...it seems rather obvious what the US could do to vastly improve our system: adopt France's system ASAP. It would take he least amount of change while benefiting us the most. It's actually the most capitalist thing we could do to help the little guy and businesses. This is how you know the government does not represent the people and is not no-nonsense capitalist. It's a hybrid between oligarchy and special interests groups.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Considering France beats the US in almost every single healthcare quality measure while spending almost half as much per person, your recommendation is based on legit facts.

Add in that the pundits state that the US is most similar to France, already, in our healthcare system and that it would be easiest to adopt France's...it seems rather obvious what the US could do to vastly improve our system: adopt France's system ASAP. It would take he least amount of change while benefiting us the most. It's actually the most capitalist thing we could do to help the little guy and businesses. This is how you know the government does not represent the people and is not no-nonsense capitalist. It's a hybrid between oligarchy and special interests groups. The French system is excellent, for once I agree. The Sauds built on it and improved it.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
The NHS is not what it was. It's funny you say that. It has waned a lot recently, but it's still so much better that USAand many other countries. It's times like this where I wish we would have greater relations with east Asian countries if they're not all dead from COVID.

Portugal Switzerland Germany and yes, France have good systems too.

****, I could go on. Practically every EU country has awesome healthcare.

Originally posted by Blakemore
It's funny you say that. It has waned a lot recently, but it's still so much better that USAand many other countries. It's times like this where I wish we would have greater relations with east Asian countries if they're not all dead from COVID.

Portugal Switzerland Germany and yes, France have good systems too.

****, I could go on. Practically every EU country has awesome healthcare. Many South East Asian countries handled Covid-19 brilliantly. Hell, even Africa handled it better than us so far.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is wrong.

Both points are factually incorrect. It's not even disputed by honest anti-UHC peeps in the Republican party. They know our healthcare costs more per person than any other country in the world. And the lack of a universal healthcare system (information) make our healthcare system the most inefficient, when it comes to care, of any other modern nation in the world. We literally have people dying because of our inefficient our system is. Compared to, say, the UK's UHC system where you can travel anywhere in the UK and doctors can quickly pull up your medical records (thus preventing quite a bit of wasted time, death, and injury).

I posted on this topic a lot with the data. Everyone here as seen my amazing work and citations (I am not kidding: the work is amazing and thorough). So I can't tell if you're just a troll or are seriously this ignorant/misinformed.

Edit: i dont visit the gdf as much as the cbvf so I didnt see your work, but would like to.

I dont think an analysis of our current healthcare system under the assumption it's free market would be fair. America is in the low to mid 70s range on the economic freedom index.

I could also cite things if you like or perhaps we could move to pm as to not derail the thread on borders, which is totally my bad.

Anyways link me your work and ill peep