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Religion and Politics how well do they really go together?

Let's look at KMC's Regulars to see who we have beliefs in common with

Whirly Politics- you'll find me Left of Centre (Wondering about you 80's joke)
Religion- No, Firmly Atheist

Robtard Politics- Liberal
Religion- Yes

Adam Politics- Progressive
Religion- Firmly Atheist

Badabing Politics- Trumper and Republican
Religion- Yes

Surtur Politics- Trumper
Religion- No, Firmly Atheist

Backfire Politics- Liberal
Religion- I don't think so (can you confirm)

Impediment Politics- Voted Trump but quite liberal
Religion- ?

DDM Politics- Tim Pool style libertarian
Religion- Mormon

Ethneo Politics- Quite Right
Religion- Quite Religious

Blake Politics- Mixed bag, generally quite liberal
Religion- No Firmly Atheist

Samhaim Politics- Liberal
Religion unknown

Raptor Politics- Liberal
Religion unknown

pr Politics- Left of Centre
Religion- grew up Catholic, Not Atheist and the Church can get ****ed

Silent Master Politics- Tim Pool style libertarian
Religion- unknown

Broly Politics- Trumper and Republican
Religion- Yes

Eon/WXYZ Politics- Trump
Religion- Agnostic


Please other members add yourselves and members I have mentioned correct me if I am wrong.

I want to see who we all allign with and on what.

Unless I'm wrong, I'm left of centre for what a European would be.

Religion wise: Grew up Catholic, not atheist but the church can get ****ed at the same time.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Unless I'm wrong, I'm left of centre for what a European would be.

Religion wise: Grew up Catholic, not atheist but the church can get ****ed at the same time. Thank you for the clarification matey, list edited.

Nice thread.

My religion: Agnostic.

Edit: Whirly; didn't know you were an Atheist.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Thank you for the clarification matey, list edited.

Originally posted by wxyz
Nice thread.

My religion: Agnostic.

Edit: Whirly; didn't know you were an Atheist. Edited, I respect others beliefs, but I am a Godless individual.

I have no problem with anyone elses' beliefs as long as they don't try to force it on me and/or society.

Originally posted by wxyz
I have no problem with anyone elses' beliefs as long as they don't try to force it on me and/or society. Same and in certain circumstances for some people religion certainly has a value.

Imp didn't vote for Trump. He just verbally supports him for shits and giggles, and to piss people off.

I'm an Atheist, that's correct.

Originally posted by BackFire
Imp didn't vote for Trump. He just verbally supports him for shits and giggles, and to piss people off.

I'm an Atheist, that's correct. Ahh could you correct the list. I thought it was strange.

You got me pretty accurate, but I would have preferred you say "centrist"

Originally posted by Blakemore
You got me pretty accurate, but I would have preferred you say "centrist" Get a mod to edit it Blake. I want a definitive forum list.

Something can be a religion even if those in it do not call it that.

The way the left eats its own over the silliest of things "you observed a pro cop rally you need to be fired!" reminds me of religious zealots burning "witches" at the stake.

Originally posted by Surtur
Something can be a religion even if those in it do not call it that.

The way the left eats its own over the silliest of things "you observed a pro cop rally you need to be fired!" reminds me of religious zealots burning "witches" at the stake. Where is the diety in this scenario Surt?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Where is the diety in this scenario Surt?

You don't need a deity. A cult can worship an ideal. And religions are just cults with more members(and better PR)

Originally posted by Surtur
You don't need a deity. A cult can worship an ideal. And religions are just cults with more members(and better PR) Not necessarily a god, but some form of higher power or divine entity....

Originally posted by Surtur
You don't need a deity. A cult can worship an ideal. And religions are just cults with more members(and better PR) We are not in this thread using nontheism for religion, otherwise we would have the cult of Trump mentioned twice.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Not necessarily a god, but some form of higher power or divine entity....

Nope, cults can worship an ideal. Don't make me repeat that again, thanks in advance

Originally posted by Surtur
Nope, cults can worship an ideal. Don't make me repeat that again, thanks in advance I wouldn't call it a religion. More like trust.

Nope, it's a cult. This hill? Don't die on it.

Originally posted by Surtur
Nope, cults can worship an ideal. Don't make me repeat that again, thanks in advance Religions can also worship ideals, and people's rhetoric even, even systems like the financial or bureaucratic, it's called non-theism, for instance, Money is the new religion or Trump is the new religion etc.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Religions can also worship ideals, and people's rhetoric even, even systems like the financial or bureaucratic, it's called non-theism, for instance, Money is the new religion or Trump is the new religion etc.

Oh kiddo, the Trump "cult" is nowhere near the size of the cult of progressive-ism in this country.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Get a mod to edit it Blake. I want a definitive forum list. 'sokay dude

Trust: firm belief in the reliability, truth, or ability of someone or something.
"relations have to be built on trust"

Originally posted by Blakemore
Trust: firm belief in the reliability, truth, or ability of someone or something.
"relations have to be built on trust" yes, they do.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Trust: firm belief in the reliability, truth, or ability of someone or something.
"relations have to be built on trust"

Which is why it's impossible for any private citizen to have any sort of relationship with a politician.

I'm a extreme centre jedientologist.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I'm a extreme centre jedientologist. You see hat's why I didn't list you, I honestly can't tell you are such a mixed bag.

Religion makes me Sikh.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Religion makes me Sikh. OK you are Atheist, I sometimes think you are quite right wing and sometimes centre left. You are a mixed bag mate. But, always polite to people, very measured and damn funny.

If you think Jaden is "quite right wing" at times that definitely explains your issues with properly defining terms like nazi, alt right, etc.

Originally posted by Surtur
If you think Jaden is "quite right wing" at times that definitely explains your issues with properly defining terms like nazi, alt right, etc. I have no problems explaining those terms, you just have problems with my labelling.

Posts meme of Nazi with normal face mask again!

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...here I am...

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...here I am... OK centreist atheist. We have defined you.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I have no problems explaining those terms, you just have problems with my labelling.

Posts meme of Nazi with normal face mask again!

I'm baffled at how you feel Jaden is sometimes "quite right wing" other than his occasional shitting on the extreme left and their behavior.

Lol wait...you don't, no...you can't possibly feel that is what makes him right wing?

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm baffled at how you feel Jaden is sometimes "quite right wing" other than his occasional shitting on the extreme left and their behavior.

Lol wait...you don't, no...you can't possibly feel that is what makes him right wing? It's actually mainly how as a Scot he was against Scotland leaving the UK. Which he may not feel now tbh.

Oh I forgot he was in favor of brexit too, yeah def a nazi.

Originally posted by Surtur
Oh I forgot he was in favor of brexit too, yeah def a nazi. Both are generally considered right wing positions in the UK.

It's like saying I am "quite left wing" cuz I hold the position a pregnant woman can snuff out a baby if they so deem fit.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's like saying I am "quite left wing" cuz I hold the position a pregnant woman can snuff out a baby if they so deem fit. Well, that is a generally left wing opinion, you can tell because it is sensible. Shush, by the way, Ethneo will hear you!

It will not be sensible until men are given the opportunity to shirk responsibility for a kid too.

Either way, it would be silly to call me "quite left wing" over it, even if lefties normally hold it.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm baffled at how you feel Jaden is sometimes "quite right wing" other than his occasional shitting on the extreme left and their behavior.

Lol wait...you don't, no...you can't possibly feel that is what makes him right wing?

He's right in that I am a mixed bag.

Mostly because my beliefs on a range of topics aren't dictated by how I identify myself politically but rather the other way around.

So I don't do what a lot of people apparently do which is that they declare themselves left or right and then adopt the beliefs of that definition without any critical thought. They then paint themselves into a corner. This is what results in cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy.

If you want examples in relation to American politics. I wouldn't want guns banned but also believe there can be technological solutions to help mitigate the issues around gun violence while still allowing people their 2nd amendment rights.

I believe in a capitalist economy that adopts a redistribution principle that is both rewarding to the entrepreneur but also works to service society as a whole (a taxation system that allows for investment in high quality infrastructure that will create a feedback loop that then strengthens the economy)

I believe in restricted government in that it should be used for the execution of public services (law and order, public security and safety, public health, infrastructure maintenance) but shouldn't be used for superfluous things such as...well... just Google "stupid government jobs" to see plenty examples.

He said you were "quite right wing" at times.

Notice the qualifier. Not just that you were right wing, but "quite" right wing. As if you were practically flirting with the alt right on certain issues.

And that just isn't true from what I've seen. None of what you just laid out flirts with the alt right ideology.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
It's actually mainly how as a Scot he was against Scotland leaving the UK. Which he may not feel now tbh.

No I wasn't. I was and still am in favour of Scottish independence and was and still am in favour of Brexit. (Although am against how it has been executed, particularly by Boris Johnson's hilariously inept government.)

Originally posted by Surtur
He said you were "quite right wing" at times.

Notice the qualifier. Not just that you were right wing, but "quite" right wing. As if you were practically flirting with the alt right on certain issues.

And that just isn't true from what I've seen. None of what you just laid out flirts with the alt right ideology. Nah, "quite" in British English in that context means "a bit". As Jaden with confirm. Tbh, having read what he just wrote he may well be a fascist! I'm joking before you get excited and start pointing fingers Surt

See you knew you needed to point out you were joking because of how loosely you apply the term fascist around here lol.

You have practically called those in favor of brexit nazi's before.

Originally posted by Surtur
See you knew you needed to point out you were joking because of how loosely you apply the term fascist around here lol.

You have practically called those in favor of brexit nazi's before. No, I need to state I was joking for satirical comedic affect Surt.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Nah, "quite" in British English in that context means "a bit". As Jaden with confirm. Tbh, having read what he just wrote he may well be a fascist! I'm joking before you get excited and start pointing fingers Surt

Quite right.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
No, I need to state I was joking for satirical comedic affect Surt.

Hey if that is what you believe shine on you crazy diamond.

Originally posted by Surtur
Hey if that is what you believe shine on you crazy diamond.

Originally posted by Surtur
See you knew you needed to point out you were joking because of how loosely you apply the term fascist around here lol.

You have practically called those in favor of brexit nazi's before. "practically?"

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
No I wasn't. I was and still am in favour of Scottish independence and was and still am in favour of Brexit. (Although am against how it has been executed, particularly by Boris Johnson's hilariously inept government.) Huh. Can Scotland and England still be friends? I'm a quart Scottish.

Originally posted by Blakemore
"practically?"

https://i.imgur.com/RErRcFP.jpg

Originally posted by Blakemore

Huh. Can Scotland and England still be friends? I'm a quart Scottish.

Likely more so than now.

I bought this thing the other day that said it was "scottish beer battered haddock".

Nice tasting fish.

Was the fish or the beer Scottish?

It did not say.

oh wait no it does, yes, scottish ale

Well it says "scottish haddock made with real scottish ale".

Clearly Scrooge McDuck caught this fish, killed it, and then poured beer onto its corpse.

BNrg3rhFrsY

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Likely more so than now. The problem is the only party wanting Scottish independence is the SNP who are pro EU.

Speaking of, Belgium doesn't even have a gov'munt but still have a king.

I remember on QT Farage said it's just giving up loyalties to Westminster and tranfering them to Brussels.

*watches Braveheart*

https://media2.giphy.com/media/gVoBC0SuaHStq/giphy.gif

Originally posted by Blakemore
The problem is the only party wanting Scottish independence is the SNP who are pro EU.

Speaking of, Belgium doesn't even have a gov'munt but still have a king.

I remember on QT Farage said it's just giving up loyalties to Westminster and tranfering them to Brussels.

I don't vote based on a single issue.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I don't vote based on a single issue. I gathered that. I just don't see how it can be possible to have Scottish independence and brexit in the current political climate. That could change.

Political affiliation:anti statist and pro free market/anarcho capitalist.

Religion: anti theistic.

So i took that politicalcompass test. It's not a definitive test, but I doubt anyone would be surprised. https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-0.25&soc=-4.62 I actually expected I'd be in the purple, but I usually get around the centre.

I'll redo the assessments but with more accurate labels:



Whirly
Politics - Collectivism/Labourism
Religion - Strong Atheist

Robtard
Politics - Progessivism/Democratic Socialism
Religion - Agnostic Theist/Weak Atheism

Adam_PoE
Politics - Progressivism/Left-Wing Populism
Religion- Strong Atheism

Badabing
Politics - Conservatism/Classical Liberalism
Religion - Theism

Surtur
Politics - Conservatism/Classical Liberalism
Religion - Agnosticism, Weak Atheism

Backfire
Politics - Progressivism/Liberal Democracy
Religion - Strong Atheism

Impediment
Politics - Progessivism/Liberalism
Religion - Weak Atheism

dadudemon
Politics - Transhumanist, Technocracism
Religion - Agnostic Theist

Ethneo
Politics- Nationalist Conservatism
Religion - Strong Theism/Gnostic Theism

Blake/Lord XYZ
Politics - Georgism/Nordic Liberalism
Religion - Weak Atheism

Samhaim
Politics - Democratic Socialist
Religion - Weak Atheism

Raptor
Politics - Liberal Democracy
Religion - Agnosticism

-PR-
Politics - Progessivism
Religion - Agnostic Theist

Silent Master
Politics - Nordic Liberalism
Religion - Agnosticism

Broly
Politics - Classic Liberalism
Religion - Agnostic Theism

WXYZ
Politics - Classic Liberalism/Conservatism
Religion - Agnosticism

jaden
Politics - Technocrat/Nordic Liberalism
Religion - Atheism

ilikecomics
Politics - Anarcho-Capitalism
Religion - Strong Atheism/Antitheism

Reference Chart:
https://i.imgur.com/10SnKHb.png


Full size image of the above chart:

https://i.imgur.com/qA98XPM.png

Originally posted by Blakemore
So i took that politicalcompass test. It's not a definitive test, but I doubt anyone would be surprised. https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-0.25&soc=-4.62 I actually expected I'd be in the purple, but I usually get around the centre.

You scored in the Georgism area. But you're likely closer to Nordic Liberalism.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You scored in the Georgism area. But you're likely closer to Nordic Liberalism. I would say I'm probably Nordic Liberalsim and possibly even Libertarian. I'm strongly atheist though. I don't pray to made up friends. But, I do tend to hover around that area, politically.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'll redo the assessments but with more accurate labels:



Whirly
Politics - Collectivism/Labourism
Religion - Strong Atheist

Robtard
Politics - Progessivism/Democratic Socialism
Religion - Agnostic Theist/Weak Atheism

Adam_PoE
Politics - Progressivism/Left-Wing Populism
Religion- Strong Atheism

Badabing
Politics - Conservatism/Classical Liberalism
Religion - Theism

Surtur
Politics - Conservatism/Classical Liberalism
Religion - Agnosticism, Weak Atheism

Backfire
Politics - Progressivism/Liberal Democracy
Religion - Strong Atheism

Impediment
Politics - Progessivism/Liberalism
Religion - Weak Atheism

dadudemon
Politics - Transhumanist, Technocracism
Religion - Agnostic Theist

Ethneo
Politics- Nationalist Conservatism
Religion - Strong Theism/Gnostic Theism

Blake/Lord XYZ
Politics - Georgism/Nordic Liberalism
Religion - Weak Atheism

Samhaim
Politics - Democratic Socialist
Religion - Weak Atheism

Raptor
Politics - Liberal Democracy
Religion - Agnosticism

-PR-
Politics - Progessivism
Religion - Agnostic Theist

Silent Master
Politics - Nordic Liberalism
Religion - Agnosticism

Broly
Politics - Classic Liberalism
Religion - Agnostic Theism

WXYZ
Politics - Classic Liberalism/Conservatism
Religion - Agnosticism

jaden
Politics - Technocrat/Nordic Liberalism
Religion - Atheism

ilikecomics
Politics - Anarcho-Capitalism
Religion - Strong Atheism/Antitheism

Reference Chart:
https://i.imgur.com/10SnKHb.png


Full size image of the above chart:

https://i.imgur.com/qA98XPM.png Actually realities surprised, i am a labourist and a basic collectivism as unionism.

That Dark Enlightenment sounds so edgy.....

Awesome work guys.

Looked up a bit on Georgism. Actually sounds pretty cool XD

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Actually realities surprised, i am a labourist and a basic collectivism as unionism.

Nice.


Originally posted by Blakemore
Looked up a bit on Georgism. Actually sounds pretty cool XD

I had no idea the political compass could be that accurate...

I guess that's a good coincidence/find.

We are all usually all over the political compass, usually not clustered all in one particular political ideology. It's rare for someone to have ideas/beliefs all clustered in one particular area. For instance, I'm somewhat of a Nordic Liberal but have elements in the right-wing libertarianism stuff when it comes to fiscal policy. And based on previous convos with Robtard, he's very similar. But any reasonable person would call Robtard and I moderate lefties.

Originally posted by snowdragon
That Dark Enlightenment sounds so edgy..... Not as edgy as hive mind collectivism. We are Borg!

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Religion and Politics how well do they really go together?

Let's look at KMC's Regulars to see who we have beliefs in common with

Adam Politics- Progressive
Religion- Firmly Atheist

Belief and religion are not mutually-exclusive. In terms of what I believe, I am an Atheist. In terms of my religious affiliation, I am a Heathen.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Belief and religion are not mutually-exclusive. In terms of what I believe, I am an Atheist. In terms of my religious affiliation, I am a Heathen. Fair enough Adam, thank you for the correction.

The dark enlightenment has strange placement. It's all the way to the right, yet is anti capitalistic.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
The dark enlightenment has strange placement. It's all the way to the right, yet is anti capitalistic. To be fair many of the positions on that chart are incorrect.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nice.




I had no idea the political compass could be that accurate...

I guess that's a good coincidence/find.

We are all usually all over the political compass, usually not clustered all in one particular political ideology. It's rare for someone to have ideas/beliefs all clustered in one particular area. For instance, I'm somewhat of a Nordic Liberal but have elements in the right-wing libertarianism stuff when it comes to fiscal policy. And based on previous convos with Robtard, he's very similar. But any reasonable person would call Robtard and I moderate lefties. Yeah, I think most of us kinda fall around the centre, but I'd say you're slightly right of me and Whirly and Rob slightly left of me.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Yeah, I think most of us kinda fall around the centre, but I'd say you're slightly right of me and Whirly and Rob slightly left of me.

I'm left of all of you except Whirly.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm left of all of you except Whirly. Well, if you say so.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Well, if you say so. Originally posted by Blakemore
Well, if you say so.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm left of all of you except Whirly.

I read a Marx book every night before bed.

Originally posted by BackFire
I read a Marx book every night before bed.

Richard?

Any Marx I can find.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Richard? Those endless Summer nights!
Originally posted by BackFire
Any Marx I can find.