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Always respected him. Born in 1930, he has seen it all. Been to war, been to Harvard too.

I think he is correct in that those health care systems are better in some ways. Though in other ways, like wait times, they are not.

I haven't watched the video yet but as a Canadian who thinks Sowell is exceptionally intelligent, he is probably correct.

And when he says the left just see folk as chess pieces...

https://media.tenor.com/images/9327f103553cf4420a924304d75b6da7/tenor.gif

Originally posted by Surtur
Always respected him. Born in 1930, he has seen it all. Been to war, been to Harvard too.

I think he is correct in that those health care systems are better in some ways. Though in other ways, like wait times, they are not.

This is correct. American healthcare in general has better and more up to date technologies that allow for better outcomes. The downside is individuals having to be able to afford it. Canada and the UK have good systems but lag behind with a trade off that it is available to all. Although the UK is currently experiencing chronic and deliberate underfunding by its government who are seeking to privatise it one service at a time.

You'd think the us and Canada would just do a summit to help their powers combine(power of heart flows through me) and nail this shit down.

So glad you posted this. Cough cough ddm

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
This is correct. American healthcare in general has better and more up to date technologies that allow for better outcomes. The downside is individuals having to be able to afford it. Canada and the UK have good systems but lag behind with a trade off that it is available to all. Although the UK is currently experiencing chronic and deliberate underfunding by its government who are seeking to privatise it one service at a time.

I also for the life of me cannot understand the resistance to change in the USA for our healthcare system, it's predominantly employer driven which has LOTS and LOTS of problems without scratching the surface of the actual health services.

IMO most business owners would benefit from getting health insurance out of their administrative process.

The best thing he said was that people think facts are optional.

Dangerous path society is heading down.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
So glad you posted this. Cough cough ddm

If you need to get that cough checked out by a doctor, refer to this chart for same day Dr. Appointments:

https://i.imgur.com/FMwqoaS.png

Originally posted by wxyz
The best thing he said was that people think facts are optional.

Dangerous path society is heading down.

That's AOC calling card....facts are optional.

Originally posted by snowdragon
I also for the life of me cannot understand the resistance to change in the USA for our healthcare system, it's predominantly employer driven which has LOTS and LOTS of problems without scratching the surface of the actual health services.

IMO most business owners would benefit from getting health insurance out of their administrative process.

Originally posted by wxyz
The best thing he said was that people think facts are optional.

Dangerous path society is heading down.

Right. He's simply wrong about healthcare costs and UHC. The facts are piled so sky high about why he is wrong in this area that there's no excuse for one of the most intelligent and well-read people on the planet to still hold such a false idea.

Originally posted by snowdragon
That's AOC calling card....facts are optional.

She might be morally correct tho

Originally posted by dadudemon
Right. He's simply wrong about healthcare costs and UHC. The facts are piled so sky high about why he is wrong in this area that there's no excuse for one of the most intelligent and well-read people on the planet to still hold such a false idea.

No, you're wrong, you are wrong.



You win, tonight.

Thomas Sowell is definitely wrong on healthcare; but right about everything else.

Any state interference makes costs go up, in any domain. It's simple.

An article on canadian healthcare

https://mises.org/wire/universal-health-care-canada-colossal-government-failure

Also valuable

https://mises.org/wire/unseen-costs-medicare-all

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Any state interference makes costs go up, in any domain. It's simple.

Lulz?

I'll take Canadian healthcare over American healthcare any day of the week.

Oh and so do most Americans.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-67-percent-support-providing-medicare-for-every-american/ar-BB17zaVV

Originally posted by snowdragon
Lulz?

The national debt is at 27 trillion, that is entirely from state spending of federal reserve printed fiat currency. The citizens did not create that debt.

The duopoly that dominates the structure of american politics is based on a schizophrenic spoils system that whiplashes from one interest group to another.

https://mises.org/wire/myth-they-used-pass-canadas-universal-healthcare

Most americans are on gov. Titty d00d

Originally posted by wxyz
Thomas Sowell is definitely wrong on healthcare; but right about everything else.





https://i.imgur.com/qRSrWge.jpg

And here are the healthcare indexes by country (how healthy people are in each country per dollar spent on healthcare):

https://i.imgur.com/YQymgUW.jpg

Notice how the US isn't even in the top 20?



This slightly right leaning website explains why the US does so poorly:

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/020915/what-country-spends-most-healthcare.asp

Originally posted by dadudemon




https://i.imgur.com/qRSrWge.jpg

And here are the healthcare indexes by country (how healthy people are in each country per dollar spent on healthcare):

https://i.imgur.com/YQymgUW.jpg

Notice how the US isn't even in the top 20?



This slightly right leaning website explains why the US does so poorly:

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/020915/what-country-spends-most-healthcare.asp

This proves my point.

Key phrase from your post is how much our GOVERNMENT pays. Anything handled by the gov is inefficient. That gov spending comes out of our pocket in the form of taxation

Here's a link about it

https://mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive

What is the cost of business owners to provide health insurance, not just the cost of the service but the requirements to meet code/hr/education etc.........more admin costs, more irs code to sift through etc.

That cost is a HUGE burden for business owners and it makes us less competitve globally.

DDM is still wrong.

Originally posted by snowdragon
What is the cost of business owners to provide health insurance, not just the cost of the service but the requirements to meet code/hr/education etc.........more admin costs, more irs code to sift through etc.

That cost is a HUGE burden for business owners and it makes us less competitve globally.

DDM is still wrong.

All that stuff is enforced through the monopolization of force via the state. If the market were completely de regulated everyone would be much more prosperous and even charitable.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
This proves my point.

Key phrase from your post is how much our GOVERNMENT pays. Anything handled by the gov is inefficient. That gov spending comes out of our pocket in the form of taxation


Wrong. Not a single place in any of that states it is what the government pays. This is why you're a retarded idiot and why you shouldn't be taken seriously:



Despite the U.S. government having the highest healthcare budget, much of the cost is not publicly financed, but instead comes from personal expenditures and those related to private health insurance.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
All that stuff is enforced through the monopolization of force via the state. If the market were completely de regulated everyone would be much more prosperous and even charitable.

Just answer my questions from the previous post. I get the feeling you don't understand the healthcare market in the USA.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Just answer my questions from the previous post. I get the feeling you don't understand the healthcare market in the USA.

I thought your line of questioning was asking about whether or not gov. Regulation being forced on business owners is detrimental... I answered indeed it is and in fact think the state is solely a parasitic entity.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wrong. Not a single place in any of that states it is what the government pays. This is why you're a retarded idiot and why you shouldn't be taken seriously:



Despite the U.S. government having the highest healthcare budget, much of the cost is not publicly financed, but instead comes from personal expenditures and those related to private health insurance.


Im saying the existence of a state, which can use it's monopolized force, having a healthcare budget at all costs us. Do you think the u.s. gov. Earns it's own money?

https://youtu.be/sX7MDp43ZVg

This is an austrian economist talking on healthcare. Im not a professional economist.


Edit: he also specifically addresses stats like yours because as they say; statistics dont lie, but liars use statistics.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Any state interference makes costs go up, in any domain. It's simple.


And yet healthcare is cheaper in Canada than in the U S.