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People from Europe, please explain the European definitions left wing/right wing. I think they're different than how we define them in the USA. I read through some of the threads and this keeps popping into my head:

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Not that any one side is wrong, just words used differently.

They're both a very broad spectrum. The most useful example of it is probably the alliances in the European Union which consists of voting blocs of loosely aligned parties that more or less separate into centre left and centre right.

In individual countries the parties change depending on their leadership.

In the UK, for example, the Labour Party under Tony Blair was centrist with a slight left lean and they were to the right of the Liberal Democrats and the Scottish National Party. Under Jeremy Corbyn they were to the left of both of those parties. Under David Cameron the Conservative Party were centre right and pro European and under Boris Johnson they are further to the right and anti European.

Because most countries have a multiple party system many governments consist of coalitions that have parties from both the left and right as that's the only way to form a functioning government. Germany, for example, has a coalition of 3 parties. One is centre left, one is centre and one is centre right.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
They're both a very broad spectrum. The most useful example of it is probably the alliances in the European Union which consists of voting blocs of loosely aligned parties that more or less separate into centre left and centre right.

In individual countries the parties change depending on their leadership.

In the UK, for example, the Labour Party under Tony Blair was centrist with a slight left lean and they were to the right of the Liberal Democrats and the Scottish National Party. Under Jeremy Corbyn they were to the left of both of those parties. Under David Cameron the Conservative Party were centre right and pro European and under Boris Johnson they are further to the right and anti European.

Because most countries have a multiple party system many governments consist of coalitions that have parties from both the left and right as that's the only way to form a functioning government. Germany, for example, has a coalition of 3 parties. One is centre left, one is centre and one is centre right. All our major parties with the exception of possibly the Conservatives are to the left of yours Bada. To be honest most Tories are to the left of your parties.

Thanks for the replies. Just trying to keep up when I enter threads.

I consider the pre WW II Nazis leftists since they were socialists. Does Europe consider them on the right? If so, are they considered right due to their Arian supremacy notions?

Originally posted by Badabing
Thanks for the replies. Just trying to keep up when I enter threads.

I consider the pre WW II Nazis leftists since they were socialists. Does Europe consider them on the right? If so, are they considered right due to their Arian supremacy notions?

The Nazis were to socialism what the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is to democracy.

Nazi comes from National ie they emphasis nationalism in the form of racial purity like the modern KKK.

In general, our left parties are usually called "Green" or "Socialist" whereas Labour and Liberal are usually more centre-left.

Canada's Liberal party is more right wing than most European right wing parties and Australia's Liberal party is even more right wing.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
The Nazis were to socialism what the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is to democracy. Originally posted by Blakemore
Nazi comes from National ie they emphasis nationalism in the form of racial purity like the modern KKK.

In general, our left parties are usually called "Green" or "Socialist" whereas Labour and Liberal are usually more centre-left.

Canada's Liberal party is more right wing than most European right wing parties and Australia's Liberal party is even more right wing. and

Thank you for the great posts. I now better understand the views outside the USA.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
The Nazis were to socialism what the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is to democracy.

But it's IN THE NAME!!!

Plenty of intelligent people have said "a name of a group proves the actions of it". If a country is called democratic, intelligent people say, it is thus democratic.

ANTIFA is a good example.

Indeed, they can't be fascists cuz the name means anti-fascism. Intelligent people have pointed this out as proof they are anti-fascists.

Originally posted by Surtur
But it's IN THE NAME!!!

Plenty of intelligent people have said "a name of a group proves the actions of it". If a country is called democratic, intelligent people say, it is thus democratic. Like the democratic republic of congo.

Congo isn't democratic it's run by evil monkeys

But wait intelligent people have said if it's in the name...so I must be wrong!

Props to those intelligent people for their intelligence.

OOOOOoooops Surts triggered already, I'm off to bed before I get banned again whilst offline to prevent a melt down. just trolling you Surt

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
OOOOOoooops Surts triggered already, I'm off to bed before I get banned again whilst offline to prevent a melt down.

Blakemore, this is your cue to pretend you agree.

Make it snappy he's off to "bed" soon.

This isn't hard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism

Just cuz historically it wasn't considered left wing doesn't mean intelligent people can't apply it to the left now.

Here we go, you: define fascism

You then: see if it applies to anyone left wing

If it does, then: you call them a fascist

It's like magic right?

Originally posted by Surtur
You lost. Take the L. Oh Surt, you mean you're lost but read it again you will find your way. Night little pal.

Originally posted by Surtur
By all means define fascism and communism and outline the differences, cuz this post could almost read like "left wing fascists are just communists". Was that your intent?

Well for one communism is generally defined as left wing and fascism is right wing.

Their similarities are in that they both deny rights to the population and are usually ruled via dictatorship. Both are anti democratic.

The differences are that fascism is often based around nationalism and embraces a rigid class base structure. Also usually involves hyper militarism and open racism. Fascism allows private property for some. Communism rejects economic classes as a whole and private property does exist in those regimes. Everything is owned by the state/community.

For communism did you mean private property "doesn't" exist cuz u said does...

Yes sorry. In communism private property does not exist.

That's why Star trek was never ever communist like some retards have tried to claim.

Thankfully nobody here tho.

Sisko's dad has his own restaurant.

Sisko owns property on a planet in the federation.

Yeah, Star Trek is at least semi-socialist more than it is communist... though I don't know how that's relevant.

Lol folk in the federation can literally pursue whatever.

Yes he has the ability to close it, etc.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, Star Trek is at least semi-socialist more than it is communist... though I don't know how that's relevant.

I was making fun of whirly cuz yeah dude tried to die on that hill when it came to arguing it was communist.

And I guess it is theoretically possible for left wing fascism to exist. If a nation ticked all those boxes in the service of left wing politics. But a lot of those fly in the face of traditional left wing politics.

Originally posted by BackFire
And I guess it is theoretically possible for left wing fascism to exist. If a nation ticked all those boxes in the service of left wing politics. But a lot of those fly in the face of traditional left wing politics.

We'll find out if biden wins

Biden will shed his skin as a centrist and become left wing Hitler.

Oh ffs Surt. Communism is the idea that all produce is owned by the government and given to people according to those who need it the most in order to keep everyone working to make more produce.

Fascism is the idea that the government is a corporation amongst other independent corporations and acts like one so private investors can fund or trade with the government as if it's a business like the other already existing businesses with the exception that the fascist government owns all the people including those who work for the other corporations.

They're both authoritarian, but in very different ways. One has control of all production and distribute it accordingly to a person's need, whereas the second acts as the supervisor to all the other corporations. IE, like Backfire said, Fascism allows competition but keeps the government in charge, but communism has no money, corps or competition; it all goes to the government.

Come TRY TO TAKE MY PRODUCE!

I will hurl tomatoes at your face