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Marvel or DC. You also get their standard weapons. No repeating.

This is for real life. All street level heroes and villians become real. If you get shot or injured or killed you just respawn at your base and cannot return to the battle field for one day. Your loved ones are safe

Vrill dox II. manipulative bastard, master spin doctor, brilliant in all fields of science.

Is he really a street though?


More of an evil genius. Or anti-hero genius.

Logan

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Logan Is Logan really street level? Like Spidey and Deadpool, I question it.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Is Logan really street level? Like Spidey and Deadpool, I question it.


They're meta's.

The Eternal Warrior. He's ****ing Immortal.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
The Eternal Warrior. He's ****ing Immortal.


Yay, he has another fan.

Wolverine if he's considered street level. If not, Captain America.

Originally posted by cdtm
Yay, he has another fan. The best valiant character of all, but a bit of a cross between the Highlander and Shang Chi (MI6) by way of Slaine (Geomancers/mothergod)

Midnighter still street level?

Originally posted by Stoic
Wolverine if he's considered street level. If not, Captain America.

Cap's more like Street Plus. The SSS gives him an edge over any street from just training.

Cap...any other street is second best

Originally posted by cdtm
Cap's more like Street Plus. The SSS gives him an edge over any street from just training.

True. Logan can hurt Zeus with his attacks. In certain instances Logan is a freaking Trans.

Logan, at this point in my life and my health issues I need his healing factor.

Originally posted by Stoic
True. Logan can hurt Zeus with his attacks. In certain instances Logan is a freaking Trans. Scans?

Logan isn't street level. Captain America isn't street level. Shang isnt street level. Midnighter isnt street. Deadpool isnt street level. No one mentioned yet is a street level character

Maybe we can start here:

Originally posted by Galan007
The Master List (4/4)



Tier 1 - Street

High
Batgirl, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, The Cat, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Captain America (Ultimate), Daredevil, David Cain, Elektra, Green Arrow, Harley Quinn, Hawkeye, Jack O'Lantern, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Mysterio, Nightwing, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Rose Tattoo, Silencer, Talon (Calvin Rose), Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Toad, Union Jack, Ursa Major, Winter Soldier

Middle
Arrowette, Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Batroc, Batwoman, Black Cat, Black Mask, Black Widow, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Catman, Catwoman, Conan, Crossbones, Damian Wayne, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Hawkeye (Ultimate), Hush, Imus Champion, Joker, Ka-Zar, Lady Bullseye, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Shado, Turok, Wildcat, Robin

Low
Agent Coulson, Alfred, Amanda Waller, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Jesus (TWD), Kate Bishop, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Speedy, Two Face, Riddler, Talia, White Tiger

I'll be Ultimate Cap

that list is outdated and wrong and U Cap is a meta

Originally posted by cdtm
Is he really a street though?


More of an evil genius. Or anti-hero genius.
He has no powers as standard, has normal human physicals. He has no special weaponry as standard (he no longer has Cilica his personal AI/ force field)

So you cany really class him as above street. He can with prep genetically enhance himself temporarily, create devices to mond control etc. Though these are few and far between

Pl according to the tiers lost Carver posted Jack O'Lantern is street.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/jack-o-lantern/4005-42466/

So I choose him. A street that can fly, teleport, generate blasts, create illusions and is super strong with a healing factor

👍

Originally posted by beatboks
He has no powers as standard, has normal human physicals. He has no special weaponry as standard (he no longer has Cilica his personal AI/ force field)

So you cany really class him as above street. He can with prep genetically enhance himself temporarily, create devices to mond control etc. Though these are few and far between

In that case, I choose John Constantine. No real powers as standard, normal human stats (he's actually a shitty physical fighter in some depictions, relying on Chas as the muscle) and has no special weaponry as standard.....

Originally posted by carver9
Maybe we can start here:

If we get all their resources, then Kingpin or Ra's.

If just their abilities, equipment and skill with said equipment, Mysterio/Elektra/Rose Tattoo.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In that case, I choose John Constantine. No real powers as standard, normal human stats (he's actually a shitty physical fighter in some depictions, relying on Chas as the muscle) and has no special weaponry as standard.....

Actually he does have powers at base.
1. His blood is tainted by demon blood that slows his aging and gives him enhanced healing.
2. He'd descended from a long line of magic users which is why he can do more with magic than others who have just learned it.

I'm not sure of its still the case post flashpoint but pre flashpoint the DCU 4th and 5th ages of magic both had the rule that a mortal form couldnt use magic without either a connection to it (like Constantine, Zatanna, Zatarra, Faust etc), a talisman (like Sargon, Occult, Ibis, Dr Fate), or a familiar (like Klarion). Sonce John isn't immortal and doesnt have a familiar, to use magic he either had to have an innate link to magic within him (a power) or a a talisman (special weapon).

Originally posted by beatboks
Actually he does have powers at base.
1. His blood is tainted by demon blood that slows his aging and gives him enhanced healing.
2. He'd descended from a long line of magic users which is why he can do more with magic than others who have just learned it.

I'm not sure of its still the case post flashpoint but pre flashpoint the DCU 4th and 5th ages of magic both had the rule that a mortal form couldnt use magic without either a connection to it (like Constantine, Zatanna, Zatarra, Faust etc), a talisman (like Sargon, Occult, Ibis, Dr Fate), or a familiar (like Klarion). Sonce John isn't immortal and doesnt have a familiar, to use magic he either had to have an innate link to magic within him (a power) or a a talisman (special weapon).

Yeah, so like I said, no real powers. I mean, his HF and ageing isn't much when you stack him up against, say, Wolverine.

And street tier does not mean 'no powers, period'. Red Skull is there. Ravager. Rose Tattoo. Talon. Toad. Taskmaster. Winter Soldier. Cap America. Jack O Lantern (as you pointed out).

Hell, even in the Low Street, we have White Tiger.

My point was that with your criteria, Constantine is as much a 'street' as Vril. One can't really class him as above street tier, using his physicals.

Batman.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Batman.

Not a street, reported

Captain America isn't street level. He consistently soloes high metas, even groups of high metas, such as some bunch of X-Men or U-Foes. These feats are not outliers since he does that all the time. It's not even rare for him to solo heralds (and sometimes above).

Cap is closer to herald than he is to street level.

He's not in the street tier, iirc (Ultimate is, though).

Again, it depends on what you understand by the street tier.

Plenty of heroes technically above peak humans are still classified as streets.

Originally posted by HumbleServant
Scans?

Wolverine never fought Zeus.

The point Stoic was trying to make is that adamantium claws can slice through damn near anyone/anything in the Marvel Universe.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, so like I said, no real powers. I mean, his HF and ageing isn't much when you stack him up against, say, Wolverine.

And street tier does not mean 'no powers, period'. Red Skull is there. Ravager. Rose Tattoo. Talon. Toad. Taskmaster. Winter Soldier. Cap America. Jack O Lantern (as you pointed out).

Hell, even in the Low Street, we have White Tiger.

My point was that with your criteria, Constantine is as much a 'street' as Vril. One can't really class him as above street tier, using his physicals.
Using his physicals no. But then he can do all that magic, read minds, cast illusions, blasts. I mean Vril cant do any of that. He is just smart and manipulative. Hell he's bested guys smarter than him (like his father and his son) just because he understands psychology better and is better using their drives against them. When he actually fights the majority of the time its using just his brains. On occasion a weapon. He got his ass kicked (and killed) by stealth when he wasnt prepared (because he didnt know about her being on heat and how she breeds) and she isnt all that trained and is physically a street.

He's more likely to trick a bully (like Lobo) into fighting for him. Or trick the one going after him to fight someone else he wants taken down

Mach IV a mid street... classic carv trolling.

Looking at the tier list, Joker by far, just by pure intelligence and knowledge.

Originally posted by beatboks
Using his physicals no. But then he can do all that magic, read minds, cast illusions, blasts. I mean Vril cant do any of that. He is just smart and manipulative. Hell he's bested guys smarter than him (like his father and his son) just because he understands psychology better and is better using their drives against them. When he actually fights the majority of the time its using just his brains. On occasion a weapon. He got his ass kicked (and killed) by stealth when he wasnt prepared (because he didnt know about her being on heat and how she breeds) and she isnt all that trained and is physically a street.

He's more likely to trick a bully (like Lobo) into fighting for him. Or trick the one going after him to fight someone else he wants taken down

Which again, sounds very much like Con John. Only with magic instead of science.

Hell, he's had his ass kicked by random thugs because Chas wasn't around to save him. And they weren't trained or anything. They were just some drunks iirc. He can't fight for shit.

And your last paragraph is basically Constantine, lol.

Street level is pretty vague
Very broadly, you could throw two tonners like Cap and possibly Logan in street, but Logan's HF ups him considerably. It's not a matter of who you can beat either way. Cap punches and Logan basically uses knives. That's street.
In legitimate street level, I'm taking Cass all day