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1). Hand to hand.

Worthy Thor but without Mjolnir. They're both grounded, obviously.

2). In an output battle. Thor cannot use his godblast, but he does get Mjolnir.

They stand still and hit one spot ONCE that ranks them. Who can hit harder?

3). In a durability contest.

Galactus lines them up, and starts blasting them simultaneously with equally powered blasts. Thor does not have Mjolnir. They have to stand and take it through pure durability.

He starts from low level, and keeps increasing the power of the blast until one of them falls.

Who falls first?

4). In a race.

They're both on foot. They have to run 5 km. Who reaches the finish line first?

Surfer in all except hand to hand.

Originally posted by abhilegend
1. Surfer. Thor's not knocking him out by bare hands.
2. Thor
3. Surfer
4. LMAO
How's Thor just tougher than Surfer?

You think Surfer is going to beat Thor in a h2h fight? You think it's more likely that Surfer is going to knock out Thor in h2h instead of vise versa?

Surfer is more invincible, but Thor is tougher.

1) Thor
2) Surfer
3) More or less a stalemate
4) Hulk outruns them both

1. Thor.
2. Thor
3. Surfer
4. Thor. Ss has stiff knees

At this rate, Galactus passes out first

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You think Surfer is going to beat Thor in a h2h fight? You think it's more likely that Surfer is going to knock out Thor in h2h instead of vise versa?

Yes, he has beat the crap out of BRB and Skaar in h2h. Thor's chances of overcoming Surfer's durability are very low.

In what way? In energy blast durability, Surfer is easily superior to Thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You think Surfer is going to beat Thor in a h2h fight? You think it's more likely that Surfer is going to knock out Thor in h2h instead of vise versa?

Surfer is more invincible, but Thor is tougher.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he has beat the crap out of BRB and Skaar in h2h.

Lol his board rammed into the back of Bill's neck when they were flying many times the speed of flight through space when he got the advantage. Bill has also two-pieced Surfer previously when he got a similar advantage.

Ares stalemated Skaar and was implied to have the advantage. You'll have to do better. Thor has taken on Hulk and the Thing at the same in close combat while weakened. Twice!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor's chances of overcoming Surfer's durability are very low.

In what way? In energy blast durability, Surfer is easily superior to Thor.

Thor's chances of beating the Surfer into unconscious in a h2h fight are much higher than the latter. He is a much more skilled combatant, and their encounters have proven that getting in h2h is not what Surfer wants with Thor.

Would you be down for a Thor vs. Silver Surfer h2h battle zone?

I have to ask, have you read any of their fights? Here, let me remind you:

https://i.postimg.cc/47KVTjmd/RCO016-1469007104.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/PNwYVGgV/RCO018-1469007104.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/mz0MZVHS/RCO021-1469007104.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/tnW6sPdG/RCO022-1469007104.jpg

"I didn't feel a thing." - Grievously injured Thor bleeding reality from his side

Surfer is very tough, and incredibly durable. If you think he edges out Thor because of his invulnerability, that might be possible. I think their encounters show otherwise. You think there is a large gap, which is just idiotic.

I'm surprised people think Thor has greater output without Godblasting tbh.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm surprised people think Thor has greater output without Godblasting tbh.

If Thor with Mjolnir and the Surfer got into a beam struggle. Who do you see winning, no God Blast? I'll freely admit to be being biased, but I genuinely see the former winning and the Surfer having to break off his assault.

Mjolnir > The PC imo even without taking into consideration Thor's weather powers. The MS helps justify it's opness.

Post-Black Winter arc and Surfer Blacked in the future, I really think Mjolnir's power > PC even in output is cemented. At least as long as Cates is at the helm.

Ah ok with current Thor, you mean? Then ok I can see that (with All-father and PC).

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol his board rammed into the back of Bill's neck when they were flying many times the speed of flight through space when he got the advantage. Bill has also two-pieced Surfer previously when he got a similar advantage.

Did Bill use his bare hands to do that? No, he didn't.

That was under Bendis. Under Pak, Skaar was directly stated to be more powerful than Thor and was fine hit by Thor (even gamma amped Thor who Sucker punched him).



https://imgur.com/a/JW1kc
https://imgur.com/a/8lTJ3



Is that so?

Sure, but not now.

Haha, you're using Thor repeatedly hitting Surfer with mjolnir and not doing any damage to prove that Thor can beat Surfer without mjolnir?

Really? I've never seen Carol Danvers knocking out Surfer with a blast (She wasn't binary level and later both Firelord and Terrax casually tanked Binary).

That's just from top of my head.

I honestly don't think there's that much of a difference between the two of them.
I believe it possible for Surfer to completely unload all of his power cosmic, which I think would edge out Thor in power-output, but like with the hand to hand matchup it's a lot closer than most people think.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If Thor with Mjolnir and the Surfer got into a beam struggle. Who do you see winning, no God Blast? I'll freely admit to be being biased, but I genuinely see the former winning and the Surfer having to break off his assault.

Mjolnir > The PC imo even without taking into consideration Thor's weather powers. The MS helps justify it's opness.

Funny, Thor never overpowered Firelord in beam struggle.

Haha, Cates just had Surfer go toe to toe with Knull himself. He is a bigger Surfer fanboy than Thor fanboy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Did Bill use his bare hands to do that? No, he didn't.

That was under Bendis. Under Pak, Skaar was directly stated to be more powerful than Thor and was fine hit by Thor (even gamma amped Thor who Sucker punched him).

https://imgur.com/a/JW1kc
https://imgur.com/a/8lTJ3

And Surfer rammed him from behind with a FTL super-durable object, and then beat him with Power Cosmic charged fists, and yet you mentioned it.....?

No, they fought in Wolverine Origins, which was a cross-over run by Daniel Way and Greg Pak, and not Bendis. Please get your facts correct.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is that so?

Sure, but not now.

Haha, you're using Thor repeatedly hitting Surfer with mjolnir and not doing any damage to prove that Thor can beat Surfer without mjolnir?

Really? I've never seen Carol Danvers knocking out Surfer with a blast (She wasn't binary level and later both Firelord and Terrax casually tanked Binary).

That's just from top of my head.

A pissed off Surfer rammed Thor into Mars, and in doing-so injured himself.

Thor never struck him, he struck the ground.

A few panels earlier, Mjolnir seriously damaged Galactus. An issue earlier, a headbutt from Thor dented his skull:
https://i.imgur.com/oKmPIm2.jpg

Carol Danvers spent the entire fight being powered up by Thor's own energy when she blasted him.

https://i.postimg.cc/LYQXmVJ8/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock01-Infi.png https://i.postimg.cc/vDDT3CKg/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock02.png https://i.postimg.cc/yW5d5vqf/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock03.png https://i.postimg.cc/H8JLn7M4/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock04.png https://i.postimg.cc/svhXR7s3/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock05.png https://i.postimg.cc/75rLPhZ0/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock06.png https://i.postimg.cc/751Z545c/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock07.png

Thor also fought Dumb Drax with the Power Gem in this era. Hell, he fought Dumb Drax and Merged Hulk at the same time and held his own.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And Surfer rammed him from behind with a FTL super-durable object, and then beat him with Power Cosmic charged fists, and yet you mentioned it.....?

Because Surfer wasn't going all out like Thor was.

It wasn't a crossover. Pak directly showed Skaar as more powerful than Thor.

And Thor himself was injured and Surfer just healed himself. None of this shows Thor can ko Surfer with his bare hands.

Yes, but she wasn't Binary which is her highest power level. She went Binary against heralds.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Funny, Thor never overpowered Firelord in beam struggle.

Haha, Cates just had Surfer go toe to toe with Knull himself. He is a bigger Surfer fanboy than Thor fanboy.

Surfer spent millions of years trying to be Worthy of Mjolnir. It made him way more powerful, and significantly increased his power output.

It allowed him to one-shot kill Cosmic GR, who neither Thanos or Galactus could kill. It allowed him to beat up up King Thanos, and present Thanos, when either of them would easily crush him.

Donny Cates is a massive Surfer (And an even bigger Thanos) fanboy, and it's clear where he stands on Mjolnir's power output vs. the Surfer.
https://i.postimg.cc/1gx7jxM9/RCO081-1570607430.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zLn2mdPT/RCO082-1570607430.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/MMqPzyhN/RCO083-1570607430.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/ygjfxDKd/RCO087-1570607430.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/64QMvB6h/RCO088-w-1570607430.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/CdMPtsCf/RCO089-1570607430.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/JtT6WHKY/RCO090-1570607430.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/w77WxxGq/RCO091-1570607430.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
https://i.postimg.cc/LYQXmVJ8/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock01-Infi.png https://i.postimg.cc/vDDT3CKg/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock02.png https://i.postimg.cc/yW5d5vqf/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock03.png https://i.postimg.cc/H8JLn7M4/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock04.png https://i.postimg.cc/svhXR7s3/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock05.png https://i.postimg.cc/75rLPhZ0/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock06.png https://i.postimg.cc/751Z545c/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock07.png

Thor also fought Dumb Drax with the Power Gem in this era. Hell, he fought Dumb Drax and Merged Hulk at the same time and held his own.
And later, Surfer with a portion of his power opened a portal for which Thor needed to use his godblast to close.

https://tinyurl.com/yy7h5h3m

So yeah.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Surfer spent millions of years trying to be Worthy of Mjolnir. It made him way more powerful, and significantly increased his power output.

It allowed him to one-shot kill Cosmic GR, who neither Thanos or Galactus could kill. It allowed him to beat up up King Thanos, and present Thanos, when either of them would easily crush him.

Donny Cates is a massive Surfer (And an even bigger Thanos) fanboy, and it's clear where he stands on Mjolnir's power output vs. the Surfer.
https://i.postimg.cc/1gx7jxM9/RCO081-1570607430.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zLn2mdPT/RCO082-1570607430.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/MMqPzyhN/RCO083-1570607430.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/ygjfxDKd/RCO087-1570607430.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/64QMvB6h/RCO088-w-1570607430.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/CdMPtsCf/RCO089-1570607430.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/JtT6WHKY/RCO090-1570607430.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/w77WxxGq/RCO091-1570607430.jpg


That story was a mess power levels wise and King Thanos actually oneshot killed King Thor with mjolnir.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11112/111124216/7067790-5925382172-62060.jpg

That should tell you which character does Cates fanboy more.

But sure, I'm happy you conceded that Surfer>King Thor.

https://i.postimg.cc/dVgM7gmH/Thorvs-Drax03-Infinity-War5.png
https://i.postimg.cc/j5rGcN1y/Thorvs-Drax04-Infinity-Watch21.png
https://i.postimg.cc/kX5LT7TY/Thorvs-Drax05.png
https://i.postimg.cc/Hx4FhnGR/Thorvs-Drax06.png
https://i.postimg.cc/mkLKf4BD/Thorvs-Drax07.png
https://i.postimg.cc/sgQqRwdp/Thorvs-Drax08.png
https://i.postimg.cc/Wz5Csy17/Thorvs-Drax09.png
https://i.postimg.cc/1RBL08rN/Thorvs-Drax10.png
https://i.postimg.cc/wTbZPnPq/Thorvs-Drax11.png
https://i.postimg.cc/VkxTsnm2/Thorvs-Drax12.png
https://i.postimg.cc/zfTQyvfv/Thorvs-Drax13.png
https://i.postimg.cc/DZFMLhWg/Thorvs-Drax14.png

"While he possess the Power Infinity Gem the destroyer is physically unbeatable. Pound on him all you like and he'll just keep subconsciously tapping into the Gem's energy reservoir and get stronger."

Drax was basically unbeatable at the time. Thor stalemated him, when he was clearly vastly superior to Surfer in h2h. Surfer couldn't even budge him without blasting him, and he even completely knocked back super-amped Sun Surfer.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/2/29968/936548-draxpunchespoweredupsurfer.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
That story was a mess power levels wise and King Thanos actually oneshot killed King Thor with mjolnir.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11112/111124216/7067790-5925382172-62060.jpg

That should tell you which character does Cates fanboy more.

But sure, I'm happy you conceded that Surfer>King Thor.



You just mentioned Cates is a Surfer fanboy.

Also, we don't know how powerful that Thor was, what weapons or help Thanos, only that Thanos blasted him and he lost control of Mjolnir in that one panel. The Surfer vs. Mjolnir comparison is much more explored.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
https://i.postimg.cc/dVgM7gmH/Thorvs-Drax03-Infinity-War5.png
https://i.postimg.cc/j5rGcN1y/Thorvs-Drax04-Infinity-Watch21.png
https://i.postimg.cc/kX5LT7TY/Thorvs-Drax05.png
https://i.postimg.cc/Hx4FhnGR/Thorvs-Drax06.png
https://i.postimg.cc/mkLKf4BD/Thorvs-Drax07.png
https://i.postimg.cc/sgQqRwdp/Thorvs-Drax08.png
https://i.postimg.cc/Wz5Csy17/Thorvs-Drax09.png
https://i.postimg.cc/1RBL08rN/Thorvs-Drax10.png
https://i.postimg.cc/wTbZPnPq/Thorvs-Drax11.png
https://i.postimg.cc/VkxTsnm2/Thorvs-Drax12.png
https://i.postimg.cc/zfTQyvfv/Thorvs-Drax13.png
https://i.postimg.cc/DZFMLhWg/Thorvs-Drax14.png

"While he possess the Power Infinity Gem the destroyer is physically unbeatable. Pound on him all you like and he'll just keep subconsciously tapping into the Gem's energy reservoir and get stronger."

Drax was basically unbeatable at the time. Thor stalemated him, when he was clearly vastly superior to Surfer in h2h. Surfer couldn't even budge him without blasting him, and he even completely knocked back super-amped Sun Surfer.
Starlin's surfer was a pussy, yes. But that first scene is from soul world.

If this was Starlin's Thor vs Starlin's Surfer? Thor wins in all scenarios. But it isn't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Surfer wasn't going all out like Thor was.

Bro, you're clearly losing track of the conversation. You brought BRB being on the losing end as evidence Surfer could beat Thor in h2h. You neglected to mention the fact that Surfer used his board and the PC. Bill has a win over Surfer too.

This has nothing to do with Thor. If you're referring to the Fraction fight, Surfer WAS pissed. Thor had just injured Galactus and he was mad AF.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It wasn't a crossover. Pak directly showed Skaar as more powerful than Thor.

Pak directly worked on the comic with Daniel Way IIRC. It tied into the Hulk main title. Then Pak is a clown, but he redeemed himself when Unworthy Thor fought Cho Hulk under Pak.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Thor himself was injured and Surfer just healed himself. None of this shows Thor can ko Surfer with his bare hands.

Yes, but she wasn't Binary which is her highest power level. She went Binary against heralds.

But he still dented his skull with a headbutt. Imagine what he could do with his fists?

So what? She was draining Thor and storing a charge when he had no idea who his opponent was.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Starlin's surfer was a pussy, yes. But that first scene is from soul world.

If this was Starlin's Thor vs Starlin's Surfer? Thor wins in all scenarios. But it isn't.

Oh I get it, since Starlin wrote it (Perhaps the most influential cosmic writer in all of Marvel history btw), it doesn't count.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You just mentioned Cates is a Surfer fanboy.

And?



Talk about excuses. King Thor with mjolnir gets oneshot killed, Surfer with mjolnir beats the crap out of King Thanos and kills CGR which King Thanos couldn't do and normal Thor got his ass handed to him under Aaron and even "stronger than Thor" she hulk couldn't do anything to him.

Rage: We can't take any conclusion out of it other than that mjolnir > Surfer.

Go home kid.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh I get it, since Starlin wrote it (Perhaps the most influential cosmic writer in all of Marvel history btw), it doesn't count.


No, because Starlin isn't the only writer who has written Surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And later, Surfer with a portion of his power opened a portal for which Thor needed to use his godblast to close.

https://tinyurl.com/yy7h5h3m

So yeah.



The Power Cosmic was used to open a breach/tear in reality that was cascading exponentially:
https://i.postimg.cc/5N6gTyLG/RCO027-1583464677.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/G2tzRm6H/RCO028-1583464677.jpg

Thor using his godly energies to seal the Limbo Universe has no bearing on Surfer vs. Thor's power, an in fact, it showed that Asgardian magic can do what the PC cannot.

Why are you posting out of context scans as if I don't have the comics on hand? Lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And?



Talk about excuses. King Thor with mjolnir gets oneshot killed, Surfer with mjolnir beats the crap out of King Thanos and kills CGR which King Thanos couldn't do and normal Thor got his ass handed to him under Aaron and even "stronger than Thor" she hulk couldn't do anything to him.

Rage: We can't take any conclusion out of it other than that mjolnir > Surfer.

Go home kid.



This is a lot of ABC guess work as if we don't have an entire run that outlines Donny Cates opinion on King Thor vs. the Power Cosmic.

https://i.postimg.cc/sv7fvWxK/RCO003-1597860984.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/NKxgxw1H/RCO004-w-1597860984.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/yJY7QrPr/RCO018-w-1577918946.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/DWjntdpf/RCO019-1577918946.jpg

If you think Surfer with Mjolnir > King Thor under Cates, that's all you. I think after Thor #1 - #6, you're more than welcome to make the thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, because Starlin isn't the only writer who has written Surfer.

Just because I think it's hilarious how off you are, Thor beat the shit out of Surfer in #86:
https://i.postimg.cc/0MKjnB51/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer06-SS86.png https://i.postimg.cc/GT025x98/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer07.png https://i.postimg.cc/jnz50nJ8/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer08.png

"If he struggles against Thor alone, he is indeed at peril."

That was written by Ron Marz. All those cool feats like Surfer vs. Morg etc. from v3 of Silver Surfer? All him.

A co-ordinated group of some of the most influential cosmic writers ever, Ron Marz, Tom DeFalco, and Jim Starlin had Thor beat the shit out of Surfer across multiple issues.

You can also throw in Stan Lee for dropping this little nugget:
https://i.postimg.cc/Y9nxXL2d/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer05.png

"He possess more strength than I could ever know...."

This is basically everyone who has ever wrote a memorable Surfer story (You can throw in Jack Kirby too), and if you told them that Surfer could take Thor in h2h, they'd laugh you out of the room.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


This is a lot of ABC guess work as if we don't have an entire run that outlines Donny Cates opinion on King Thor vs. the Power Cosmic.

https://i.postimg.cc/sv7fvWxK/RCO003-1597860984.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/NKxgxw1H/RCO004-w-1597860984.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/yJY7QrPr/RCO018-w-1577918946.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/DWjntdpf/RCO019-1577918946.jpg

If you think Surfer with Mjolnir > King Thor under Cates, that's all you. I think after Thor #1 - #6, you're more than welcome to make the thread.

Tbf ,I read that as Cates thinking that the Allfather Thor is more powerful than PC.

Which, any sane poster would agree with.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


The Power Cosmic was used to open a breach/tear in reality that was cascading exponentially:
https://i.postimg.cc/5N6gTyLG/RCO027-1583464677.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/G2tzRm6H/RCO028-1583464677.jpg

Thor using his godly energies to seal the Limbo Universe has no bearing on Surfer vs. Thor's power, an in fact, it showed that Asgardian magic can do what the PC cannot.

Because Surfer was drained and his power only accelerated the portal.

What out of context?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


This is a lot of ABC guess work as if we don't have an entire run that outlines Donny Cates opinion on King Thor vs. the Power Cosmic.

https://i.postimg.cc/sv7fvWxK/RCO003-1597860984.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/NKxgxw1H/RCO004-w-1597860984.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/yJY7QrPr/RCO018-w-1577918946.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/DWjntdpf/RCO019-1577918946.jpg

If you think Surfer with Mjolnir > King Thor under Cates, that's all you. I think after Thor #1 - #6, you're more than welcome to make the thread.
Hey, you posted it first. I'm just showing what you didn't show.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Just because I think it's hilarious how off you are, Thor beat the shit out of Surfer in #86:
https://i.postimg.cc/0MKjnB51/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer06-SS86.png https://i.postimg.cc/GT025x98/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer07.png https://i.postimg.cc/jnz50nJ8/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer08.png

"If he struggles against Thor alone, he is indeed at peril."

That was written by Ron Marz. All those cool feats like Surfer vs. Morg etc. from v3 of Silver Surfer? All him.

A co-ordinated group of some of the most influential cosmic writers ever, Ron Marz, Tom DeFalco, and Jim Starlin had Thor beat the shit out of Surfer across multiple issues.

You can also throw in Stan Lee for dropping this little nugget:
https://i.postimg.cc/Y9nxXL2d/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer05.png

"He possess more strength than I could ever know...."

This is basically everyone who has ever wrote a memorable Surfer story (You can throw in Jack Kirby too), and if you told them that Surfer could take Thor in h2h, they'd laugh you out of the room.
Blood and Thunder is basically Starlin ghost writing everything.

When did Defalco wrote Thor beating Surfer? On the other hand his Surfer was fighting Mephisto when Masterson couldn't.

Lee's Surfer was depowered. And when he later wrote the enslavers GN, Surfer was specifically more powerful than everyone on Earth including Thor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Blood and Thunder is basically Starlin ghost writing everything.

Evidence?

Originally posted by abhilegend
When did Defalco wrote Thor beating Surfer? On the other hand his Surfer was fighting Mephisto when Masterson couldn't.

He was one of the writers of Blood and Thunder in the Thor series.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lee's Surfer was depowered. And when he later wrote the enslavers GN, Surfer was specifically more powerful than everyone on Earth including Thor.

https://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurfer03.jpg

"Never before have i felt so powerful -- so strangely invincible!"

Loki transferred his power to Surfer, empowering him beyond even his days as a full Herald.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tbf ,I read that as Cates thinking that the Allfather Thor is more powerful than PC.

Which, any sane poster would agree with.

A few pages above, Abhiligend was saying that the King Thanos story arc implied that Black Surfer > King Thor:
Originally posted by abhilegend
That story was a mess power levels wise and King Thanos actually oneshot killed King Thor with mjolnir.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11112/111124216/7067790-5925382172-62060.jpg

That should tell you which character does Cates fanboy more.

But sure, I'm happy you conceded that Surfer>King Thor.



Which imo is utterly idiotic. He's basing that on one out of context panel of King Thanos blasting King Thor. When we have a full 6 issue arc that makes his stance on Asgardian magic vs. PC.

Anyways, this thread was fun. Surfer and Thor have had multiple fights, their match-ups are pretty well established.

Yawn

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Anyways, this thread was fun. Surfer and Thor have had multiple fights, their match-ups are pretty well established.

Translation: Thor has a winning record against surfer.

Thor
Thor
Surfer
No idea

abhi is right

Thor would win across the board, except for the foot race maybe ? Does Surfer have super speed off his board ?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Evidence?

Marz was basically his pupil.

Uh, what? Which issue?

Guess Stan changed his mind in 90s.

https://i.postimg.cc/4KtPyrMK/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/R6BRHg5g/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/njG1Yqnp/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/gLcHMr0R/image.jpg

Surfer was the most powerful being in the galaxy, fighting Mrrungu while Thor was getting beat up by his soldiers.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A few pages above, Abhiligend was saying that the King Thanos story arc implied that Black Surfer > King Thor:


Which imo is utterly idiotic. He's basing that on one out of context panel of King Thanos blasting King Thor. When we have a full 6 issue arc that makes his stance on Asgardian magic vs. PC.



Hey, if you want to argue with it, argue with Donny Cates. I didn't write it.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Thor would win across the board, except for the foot race maybe ? Does Surfer have super speed off his board ?
Haha, what? You think Thor has better durability than Surfer?

It was already established that Surfer has better durability against Molecule Man's machines which were about to kill Thor but Surfer survived the same machines.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Does Surfer have super speed off his board ?

I haven't been able to determine this, so I'll have to stay undecided.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I haven't been able to determine this, so I'll have to stay undecided.

He has a few feats that get blown out of proportion by fanboys.

Same as Thor w/o his hammer.

For the hand to hand part, just in case it needs to be said -- physical amping is allowed for Surfer.

What are the feats that would put one over another in energy projection?

A pretty good feat for Thor's energy projection:

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/NA_aafe_10_012_zpsdb00b092.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/NA_aafe_10_013_zps8de5e4ed.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/NA_aafe_10_014-015_zpsccd78a4d.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/NA_aafe_016_zps446e1600.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/NA_aafe_10_018_zpse867d18a.jpg

Anything comparable from Surfer? We have to start somewhere.

https://i.ibb.co/WpSXKSr/NKKpJmx.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/7jYNdhT/Fy9MpF3.jpg

Lol strangely, the Surfer fans suddenly disappear if it is not against Hal or Superman.....

Originally posted by Booya_69
Translation: Thor has a winning record against surfer.

Only in Blood and Thunder.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol strangely, the Surfer fans suddenly disappear if it is not against Hal or Superman.....

if thor is from dc they be the first ones to trash him

Originally posted by MrMind
if thor is from dc they be the first ones to trash him

And DC fans would be jumping through hoops to prove he would one shot Surfer with no Mjolnir and one hand tied behind his back.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
And DC fans would be jumping through hoops to prove he would one shot Surfer with no Mjolnir and one hand tied behind his back.

Good thing we have this thread then, without pesky DC characters.

How goes it?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Only in Blood and Thunder.
And how does it matter?

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer in all except hand to hand.


Not even in h2h.


Thor and Bill were dead even in a h2h fight. Surfer easily beat Bill bluddy with his fists:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/4/43640/915782-brbgh_02_007.jpg

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/4/43640/915783-brbgh_02_009.jpg


Even if you argue Thor is stronger then Bill, they're close enough where the outcome should be the same.

finally free of page stretch

Originally posted by MrMind
finally free of page stretch

But not scat eating ignoramus's.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not even in h2h.


Thor and Bill were dead even in a h2h fight. Surfer easily beat Bill bluddy with his fists:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/4/43640/915782-brbgh_02_007.jpg

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/4/43640/915783-brbgh_02_009.jpg


Even if you argue Thor is stronger then Bill, they're close enough where the outcome should be the same.
Surfer was casually overpowered by Worthy Attuma just a few years later.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer was casually overpowered by Worthy Attuma just a few years later.



...to the guy who lost to f'n Alpha Flight.



And I thought Thor had it bad. This beats anything Aaron ever did to him.

Originally posted by cdtm
...to the guy who lost to f'n Alpha Flight.



And I thought Thor had it bad. This beats anything Aaron ever did to him.

Worthy Attuma, not regular Attuma.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And how does it matter?

Not a winning record. Plus, Thor is basically bloodlust amped.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Not a winning record. Plus, Thor is basically bloodlust amped.
Surfer also said he stopped holding back and thor still beat his ass.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
https://i.postimg.cc/LYQXmVJ8/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock01-Infi.png https://i.postimg.cc/vDDT3CKg/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock02.png https://i.postimg.cc/yW5d5vqf/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock03.png https://i.postimg.cc/H8JLn7M4/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock04.png https://i.postimg.cc/svhXR7s3/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock05.png https://i.postimg.cc/75rLPhZ0/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock06.png https://i.postimg.cc/751Z545c/Thorvs-Silver-Surfer-Adam-Warlock07.png

Thor also fought Dumb Drax with the Power Gem in this era. Hell, he fought Dumb Drax and Merged Hulk at the same time and held his own.

I don't recall Thor fighting Dumb Drax and Merged Hulk together. He does fight Dumb Drax and Maxam together without the Power Gem and shows an advantage as I recall.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I don't recall Thor fighting Dumb Drax and Merged Hulk together. He does fight Dumb Drax and Maxam together without the Power Gem and shows an advantage as I recall.
Rage as usual is quoting out of context. Drax and Merged Hulk attacked Thor before Hulk's rocket is destroyed and he falls to paradise omega.

Thor
Surfer
Thor
Thor

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor
Surfer
Thor
Thor

Good man! We think alike.

Thor
Silver Surfer
Silver Surfer, at least if more than blunt force durability counts
Thor

Originally posted by cdtm
Not even in h2h.


Thor and Bill were dead even in a h2h fight. Surfer easily beat Bill bluddy with his fists:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/4/43640/915782-brbgh_02_007.jpg

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/4/43640/915783-brbgh_02_009.jpg


Even if you argue Thor is stronger then Bill, they're close enough where the outcome should be the same. This would be a valid argument if we didn't actually see Thor fight Surfer after this story, while in pain, and doing just fine no-selling his blasts and tanking the same tactic repeatedly. BRB is budget Thor -- and even if we go by ABC, Beta Ray Bill did much better against B&T Thor than Surfer did.