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So this is the list of high heralds and mid heralds as per tier thread. Which company (DC or Marvel) heralds have more cosmic showings (Planet destroying, sun level feats) in last twenty years? Characters should be unamped while performing the feats. Assisted feats are allowed.

Tier 3 - Herald
High
Adam Warlock, Annihilus (/w/ CCR), Asmodel, Atrocitus, Brimstone, Cyborg Superman, Despero, Doomsday (DOS), Doomsday (Gog Wars), The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Firestorm, Flash (Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen), Genis-Vell, Godspeed, Grail, Green Lanterns (Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner), Helspont, Imperiex Probes, John Constantine, Majestic, Maxima, Obsidian, Orion, Quasar, Sentry (no Void), Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Starbrand, Starro the Conqueror, Talisman, Thor, The Weird, Ultraman, Wonder Woman, Zatanna, Zod, Zoom (Hunter Solomon)
Middle
Abra Kadabra, Alexander Nero, Apocalypse, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Blue Marvel, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Captain Marvel (DC), Cassandra Nova, Cheetah, Citizen Steel, Count Nefaria, Damage, Damien Hellstrom, Dr. Doom, Eradicator (non-Fortress Mode), Etrigan, The Fallen One, The General (Shaggy Man), Gladiator, Graviton, Grayven, Green Lanterns (Guy Gardner, Jessica Cruz, John Stewart, Katma, Kilowog, Simon Baz, Sodam Yat), Hulk, Hyperion, Juggernaut (Classic), Kang, Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Maestro, Magneto (616), Magus (Post-IG), Manchester Black, Mantis (New God), Martian Manhunter, Mon-El, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Spectrum), Moonstone (w/ both stones), Morg, Nate Grey, O.M.A.C., Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shaman, Skreet, Star Sapphire (Carol Ferris), Stardust, Supergirl, Ultron, White Martians, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form)

Marvel planetary showings. Marvel star level showings. DC cosmic, Universal fts.

Originally posted by carver9
Marvel planetary showings. Marvel star level showings. DC cosmic, Universal fts.
Huh?

I'm answering your question. Marvel have better and more planetary/star level showings amongst their Heralds. Universal fts are more common for DC cosmic tier.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm answering your question. Marvel have better and more planetary/star level showings amongst their Heralds. Universal fts are more common for DC cosmic tier.
Your proof being? As I recall there are maybe four planet destroying feats in last 20 years between Hulk, Thor, Surfer and Sentry and one star level showing for Hulk.

There are more GL showings than those.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your proof being? As I recall there are maybe four planet destroying feats in last 20 years between Hulk, Thor, Surfer and Sentry and one star level showing for Hulk.

There are more GL showings than those.

When you mention planetary showings, are you talking about destroying a planet or just planetary fts in general? So you forgot about Bills destroy multiple planets as well? I'm sure I can squeeze in more Heralds.

Originally posted by carver9
When you mention planetary showings, are you talking about destroying a planet or just planetary fts in general? So you forgot about Bills destroy multiple planets as well? I'm sure I can squeeze in more Heralds.
Yeah, make it 5. Anything else?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So this is the list of high heralds and mid heralds as per tier thread. Which company (DC or Marvel) heralds have more cosmic showings (Planet destroying, sun level feats) in last twenty years? Characters should be unamped while performing the feats. Assisted feats are allowed.

Tier 3 - Herald
High
Adam Warlock, Annihilus (/w/ CCR), Asmodel, Atrocitus, Brimstone, Cyborg Superman, Despero, Doomsday (DOS), Doomsday (Gog Wars), The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Firestorm, Flash (Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen), Genis-Vell, Godspeed, Grail, Green Lanterns (Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner), Helspont, Imperiex Probes, John Constantine, Majestic, Maxima, Obsidian, Orion, Quasar, Sentry (no Void), Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Starbrand, Starro the Conqueror, Talisman, Thor, The Weird, Ultraman, Wonder Woman, Zatanna, Zod, Zoom (Hunter Solomon)
Middle
Abra Kadabra, Alexander Nero, Apocalypse, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Blue Marvel, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Captain Marvel (DC), Cassandra Nova, Cheetah, Citizen Steel, Count Nefaria, Damage, Damien Hellstrom, Dr. Doom, Eradicator (non-Fortress Mode), Etrigan, The Fallen One, The General (Shaggy Man), Gladiator, Graviton, Grayven, Green Lanterns (Guy Gardner, Jessica Cruz, John Stewart, Katma, Kilowog, Simon Baz, Sodam Yat), Hulk, Hyperion, Juggernaut (Classic), Kang, Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Maestro, Magneto (616), Magus (Post-IG), Manchester Black, Mantis (New God), Martian Manhunter, Mon-El, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Spectrum), Moonstone (w/ both stones), Morg, Nate Grey, O.M.A.C., Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shaman, Skreet, Star Sapphire (Carol Ferris), Stardust, Supergirl, Ultron, White Martians, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form) Are these certified by Marvel and DC or a creation of KMC?

Originally posted by JBL
Are these certified by Marvel and DC or a creation of KMC?
Comics only my dear troll.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So this is the list of high heralds and mid heralds as per tier thread. Which company (DC or Marvel) heralds have more cosmic showings (Planet destroying, sun level feats) in last twenty years? Characters should be unamped while performing the feats. Assisted feats are allowed.

Tier 3 - Herald
High
Adam Warlock, Annihilus (/w/ CCR), Asmodel, Atrocitus, Brimstone, Cyborg Superman, Despero, Doomsday (DOS), Doomsday (Gog Wars), The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Firestorm, Flash (Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen), Genis-Vell, Godspeed, Grail, Green Lanterns (Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner), Helspont, Imperiex Probes, John Constantine, Majestic, Maxima, Obsidian, Orion, Quasar, Sentry (no Void), Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Starbrand, Starro the Conqueror, Talisman, Thor, The Weird, Ultraman, Wonder Woman, Zatanna, Zod, Zoom (Hunter Solomon)
Middle
Abra Kadabra, Alexander Nero, Apocalypse, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Blue Marvel, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Captain Marvel (DC), Cassandra Nova, Cheetah, Citizen Steel, Count Nefaria, Damage, Damien Hellstrom, Dr. Doom, Eradicator (non-Fortress Mode), Etrigan, The Fallen One, The General (Shaggy Man), Gladiator, Graviton, Grayven, Green Lanterns (Guy Gardner, Jessica Cruz, John Stewart, Katma, Kilowog, Simon Baz, Sodam Yat), Hulk, Hyperion, Juggernaut (Classic), Kang, Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Maestro, Magneto (616), Magus (Post-IG), Manchester Black, Mantis (New God), Martian Manhunter, Mon-El, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Spectrum), Moonstone (w/ both stones), Morg, Nate Grey, O.M.A.C., Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shaman, Skreet, Star Sapphire (Carol Ferris), Stardust, Supergirl, Ultron, White Martians, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form) never mind. I just looked at the other tiers. It's a creation of KMC for sure.

Originally posted by JBL
never mind. I just looked at the other tiers. It's a creation of KMC for sure.

Which was discussed in an open forum.

Marvel is only better in the streets and meta department, anything above DC shitstomps

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Which was discussed in an open forum. Before my time. How I wish I could have seen some of the participants.

Originally posted by JBL
Before my time. How I wish I could have seen some of the participants.

It was like last year lol. And included luminaries such as Alberto and carver.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your proof being? As I recall there are maybe four planet destroying feats in last 20 years between Hulk, Thor, Surfer and Sentry and one star level showing for Hulk.

There are more GL showings than those.

Originally posted by carver9
When you mention planetary showings, are you talking about destroying a planet or just planetary fts in general? So you forgot about Bills destroy multiple planets as well? I'm sure I can squeeze in more Heralds.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, make it 5. Anything else?
These planetary+ feats r just too much nowadays.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It was like last year lol. And included luminaries such as Alberto and carver. Saint, I know full well how this site roll. If Marvel was Democratic and DC was Republican, this site would be Republican.

So not before your time, got ya.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
These planetary+ feats r just too much nowadays.
Like?

Gladiator destroyed a planet. Terrax destroyed a planet. Hulk has shaken planets on multiple occasions. Surfer destroyed planet. Bill have destroyed planets. Drax have destroyed planets. Black Bolt scream has laid waste to planets. The list is pretty got darn think with Marvel and its non-debatable showings also.

Star level fts amongst Heralds. Surfer have them, Hulk have them. Goadiator have them and Drax have it. When it comes to consistency, Hulk is leading.

Originally posted by JBL
Saint, I know full well how this site roll. If Marvel was Democratic and DC was Republican, this site would be Republican.

That kind of narrow mindedness doesn't help anyone.

let's see
current active members

marvel camp has

shadowfyre, stoic, stiltman, rage, celey, alberto, carver, jbl, wxyz, tkitna, enzeru, Glorificus, khazra reborn, HumbleServant, lawest

dc camp has

me, abhi, deft, qwerty, brolyblack, diesaldude, cdtm...that's it

phil is gone, golgo rarely post, darksaint only argue but does not ever pick who wins, galan is only posting on db threads now,

but yes, this site is obviously so dc biased

I'm a Marvel fan. Not a Marvel poster. I give the win to whoever I truly think wins. And despite my disdain for Superman, 90% of the time you will see me give him the win because he is legitimately a step above. I may *****,gripe,moan and grumble about it, but I argue against other Marvel fans as much as I do DC.

As far as the thread goes, that would be a pretty insane undertaking to try and actually count every single feat. I don't know about Abhis GL statement, but off the top Hal(maybe Kyle) have done things like what we are arguing about several times by themselves, and either a GL or maybe Orion blew up a Solar System.

As a Marvel fan, I have no problem admitting that DC generally operates at more powerful levels. It's the never ending wank,hypocrisy, and double standards that piss me off.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator destroyed a planet. Terrax destroyed a planet. Hulk has shaken planets on multiple occasions. Surfer destroyed planet. Bill have destroyed planets. Drax have destroyed planets. Black Bolt scream has laid waste to planets. The list is pretty got darn think with Marvel and its non-debatable showings also.

Only Terrax, Surfer, Bill's planet destroying feats were in last twenty years.

Originally posted by carver9
Star level fts amongst Heralds. Surfer have them, Hulk have them. Goadiator have them and Drax have it. When it comes to consistency, Hulk is leading.
Where's star level feats for Surfer or Gladiator?

Can any marvel herald match this feat?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just Rereading Rebirth titles and even tertiary Superman characters are OP.

Midnight created multiple black holes which were powerful enough to destroy entire reality within an hour.

https://i.postimg.cc/yDCRw19w/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Jy1kzppx/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Nypr9RVc/image.jpg

Lana Lang as Superwoman destroyed all the black holes from inside out.

https://i.postimg.cc/CB4YL46G/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/7JY4CTpp/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/yWVspwkv/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/mtkRBC39/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/gn7pJj4T/image.jpg

****ing insane.

surfer is pissing himself

Originally posted by abhilegend
Only Terrax, Surfer, Bill's planet destroying feats were in last twenty years.


Negative, Thor has busted planets from the shockwaves of his blows

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Negative, Thor has busted planets from the shockwaves of his blows
No planets were actually shown to be destroyed.

So if we go by actual planet busting where a planet was shown destroyed in marvel in last 20 years, it's by below characters.

Hulk
Terrax
Beta Ray Bill
Silver Surfer

For planetary feats, which other herald are we talking about here?

It literally showed him having to hold the planetoid together after he said they were destroying it

*Superman does anything* Amazing feat for Superman!

*Thor does something* Im gonna need that to happen in reality before it can be accepted.


I swear your that way😭😭

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
It literally showed him having to hold the planetoid together after he said they were destroying it

*Superman does anything* Amazing feat for Superman!

*Thor does something* Im gonna need that to happen in reality before it can be accepted.


I swear your that way😭😭
It was a moon and it was already damaged by King Thor throwing Gorr on it.

Gorr's wife said that the planet trembled with the fight, that's it.

Let me start from the Y2K.

Fortress Eradicator saw just imperiex probe destroy entire
galaxies and had to fly away from lightyears of aftershocks just to get away from it.
https://postimg.cc/image/hcm7piewt/
https://postimg.cc/image/wlc53agb1/
One Imperiex probe destroyed Maxima's galaxy.
https://postimg.cc/image/oslhbd7rx/
https://postimg.cc/image/qx5ucg1ot/
https://postimg.cc/image/j4f6kgga5/
https://postimg.cc/image/yd53y8hod/
https://postimg.cc/image/hcm7pkrsd/
The galaxies were destroyed by probes creating a construct and channeling their power to destroy
the galaxy whose power was then channeled into Imperiex's ship.
https://postimg.cc/image/609m7tlod/
https://postimg.cc/image/3vp96qrrh/
https://postimg.cc/image/7qsn9b37h/
https://postimg.cc/image/t0g9k5yxp/
https://postimg.cc/image/nc9yt8s0d/

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where's star level feats for Surfer or Gladiator?

Seems like you're limiting these characters, so it'll be pointless if I posted it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Let me start from the Y2K.

Fortress Eradicator saw just imperiex probe destroy entire
galaxies and had to fly away from lightyears of aftershocks just to get away from it.
https://postimg.cc/image/hcm7piewt/
https://postimg.cc/image/wlc53agb1/
One Imperiex probe destroyed Maxima's galaxy.
https://postimg.cc/image/oslhbd7rx/
https://postimg.cc/image/qx5ucg1ot/
https://postimg.cc/image/j4f6kgga5/
https://postimg.cc/image/yd53y8hod/
https://postimg.cc/image/hcm7pkrsd/
The galaxies were destroyed by probes creating a construct and channeling their power to destroy
the galaxy whose power was then channeled into Imperiex's ship.
https://postimg.cc/image/609m7tlod/
https://postimg.cc/image/3vp96qrrh/
https://postimg.cc/image/7qsn9b37h/
https://postimg.cc/image/t0g9k5yxp/
https://postimg.cc/image/nc9yt8s0d/

How did they destroy the Galaxy? I remember them having to build something to destroy Earth.

Originally posted by carver9
Seems like you're limiting these characters, so it'll be pointless if I posted it.
What limiters? Post everything you got. Originally posted by carver9
How did they destroy the Galaxy? I remember them having to build something to destroy Earth.
Everything was created from inside the probes, it didn't come from anywhere else.

Its all their own power.

Originally posted by carver9
How did they destroy the Galaxy? I remember them having to build something to destroy Earth.

Lmao.

Carver, it feels like we have this conversation every year.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The hollowers weren't only there to destroy the planet.

https://i.postimg.cc/q7jB59zS/RCO005-1469320280.jpg

The hollowers were there to destroy the universe. Destroying Earth is a side-effect, lol.

Think you need to read the storyline a couple more times, lol.

https://i.postimg.cc/W1cMNJXj/times.jpg

Edit: Arguably, one can say that destroying Earth is the main agenda, and the universe gets destroyed as a side effect due to Earth being the nexus.

But that wouldn't need specialised machinery to do.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly.

Using your logic, Surfer/Terrax is > Galactus, because he needs special equipment to feed on Earth.

The hollowers were there to transform Earth into energy for Imperiex to feed on. In the process, Earth/the Universe would be destroyed.

https://i.postimg.cc/cJkzbSNv/RCO011.jpg

They weren't just there to blow stuff up.

Edit: that's if you subscribe to the 2nd theory, which, tbh, is pretty fair.

They're not just destroying the Earth. They built the machines to convert Earth into energy for Imperiex to feed on. In the process, earth/the universe would be destroyed.

You're making it out like they can't just destroy the earth.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like?
Ones mentioned here already. But there r so many it's hard to keep track. U can prolly add Hype, Janethor...

Btw planetary as in wut? Theres bustin, movin, shakin, creating celestial sized objects, etc.. Its quite broad.

Strength or destructive capacity.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What limiters? Post everything you got.
Everything was created from inside the probes, it didn't come from anywhere else.

Its all their own power.

Gladiator hit by a blast powerful enough to shed half of a solar system but that's not the star level ft. The ft here is, he contained the blast to the point that a star was created...

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/5/58624/7060857-4095930562-75839.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator hit by a blast powerful enough to shed half of a solar system but that's not the star level ft. The ft here is, he contained the blast to the point that a star was created...

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/5/58624/7060857-4095930562-75839.jpg
"The star born" is an obvious hyperbolic statement unless marvel Earth has two suns in the solar system. But yeah, that's a cool feat. Here, Kyle outright tanks an anti matter storm which outright destroyed an entire solar system.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kyle shields himself from a cosmic storm which destroyed an entire solar system.

https://i.postimg.cc/fVnVwf3j/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/pmfpy5zN/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/d7n3jM54/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Q9tt66Ps/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/0MBNhYRS/image.jpg

Both are more than 20 years old.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Strength or destructive capacity.
Surfer
Hulk
Thor
Janethor
Hype
Beta R Bill
Quasar
Ronan

Honorable mention:
NovaPrime(via wm) - WM can manipulate gravity on a planetary scale
War Thor - Storms as in giant whirlwinds dwarfing moons.
Photon - Hard light form capable of obliterating a planet.


Im sure there r more. Too numerous to remember them all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
"The star born" is an obvious hyperbolic statement unless marvel Earth has two suns in the solar system. But yeah, that's a cool feat. Here, Kyle outright tanks an anti matter storm which outright destroyed an entire solar system.



Both are more than 20 years old.

Lol... its not a hyperbolic ft. He contained the blast to the point that a star was created. Its a star level ft. Now let me look at the scans you've posted, hater.

Originally posted by abhilegend
"The star born" is an obvious hyperbolic statement unless marvel Earth has two suns in the solar system. But yeah, that's a cool feat. Here, Kyle outright tanks an anti matter storm which outright destroyed an entire solar system.



Both are more than 20 years old.

I dont understand those scans. Especially with shse asked him was that of his doing and he denies it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So this is the list of high heralds and mid heralds as per tier thread. Which company (DC or Marvel) heralds have more cosmic showings (Planet destroying, sun level feats) in last twenty years? Characters should be unamped while performing the feats. Assisted feats are allowed.


*Carver posts scans from the 80s*

Originally posted by carver9
I dont understand those scans. Especially with shse asked him was that of his doing and he denies it.

You're an idiot. She's asking him if he made the storm.

Forgot Terrax and Fallen One.

Originally posted by MrMind
let's see
current active members

marvel camp has

shadowfyre, stoic, stiltman, rage, celey, alberto, carver, jbl, wxyz, tkitna, enzeru, Glorificus, khazra reborn, HumbleServant, lawest

dc camp has

me, abhi, deft, qwerty, brolyblack, diesaldude, cdtm...that's it

phil is gone, golgo rarely post, darksaint only argue but does not ever pick who wins, galan is only posting on db threads now,

but yes, this site is obviously so dc biased

So I don't make a category?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... its not a hyperbolic ft. He contained the blast to the point that a star was created. Its a star level ft. Now let me look at the scans you've posted, hater.
So marvel Earth has two suns? One near pluto?

Originally posted by carver9
I dont understand those scans. Especially with shse asked him was that of his doing and he denies it.


Idiot. Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Surfer
Hulk
Thor
Janethor
Hype
Beta R Bill
Quasar
Ronan

Honorable mention:
NovaPrime(via wm) - WM can manipulate gravity on a planetary scale
War Thor - Storms as in giant whirlwinds dwarfing moons.
Photon - Hard light form capable of obliterating a planet.


Im sure there r more. Too numerous to remember them all. Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Forgot Terrax and Fallen One.
Where did Ronan or WarThor or Jane showed planetary strength or power? I'm not talking about mother storm here.

Nova Prime would be an amp with whole nova force.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Where did Ronan or WarThor or Jane showed planetary strength or power? I'm not talking about mother storm here.

Nova Prime would be an amp with whole nova force.
This is confusing.

Obviously i didnt only confine it to strength.

If u are then the list is much smaller.

He DID say power as well....abhi didn't simply limit it to strength...

Oh in that case, im stickin with my list. Ty.

Glad to clear up your confusion

Originally posted by abhilegend
So marvel Earth has two suns? One near pluto?




Idiot.
Where did Ronan or WarThor or Jane showed planetary strength or power? I'm not talking about mother storm here.

Nova Prime would be an amp with whole nova force.

So every star have the same purpose as a sun?

Lmao Carver, please stop.

Originally posted by carver9
So every star have the same purpose as a sun?
Are you seriously this idiotic? Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This is confusing.

Obviously i didnt only confine it to strength.

If u are then the list is much smaller.
Strength and power. Scans of these feats?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Strength and power. Scans of these feats?
Mjolnir which includes mstorm is part of her powerset.

It isn't. Motherstorm needs to be woken up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you seriously this idiotic?
Strength and power. Scans of these feats?

There are some stars that have 1 planet orbiting it whereas our star...

We haven't traversed the entire universe, so there could be stars that doesnt even have planets orbiting it.

https://ibb.co/MZvXx4w

The same rules doesn't apply to each star. Also, is that star still by pluto? If not, prove it.

Originally posted by carver9
There are some stars that have 1 planet orbiting it whereas our star...

We haven't traversed the entire universe, so there could be stars that doesnt even have planets orbiting it.

https://ibb.co/MZvXx4w

The same rules doesn't apply to each star. Also, is that star still by pluto? If not, prove it.


Are you seriously suggesting that there are two stars in the Marvel Earth's solar system? Right now?

Originally posted by abhilegend
It isn't. Motherstorm needs to be woken up.
No

Originally posted by abhilegend


Are you seriously suggesting that there are two stars in the Marvel Earth's solar system? Right now?

Yes.

Originally posted by carver9
There are some stars that have 1 planet orbiting it whereas our star...

We haven't traversed the entire universe, so there could be stars that doesnt even have planets orbiting it.

https://ibb.co/MZvXx4w

The same rules doesn't apply to each star. Also, is that star still by pluto? If not, prove it.

Yes that's right, double down on this

Originally posted by abhilegend
"The star born" is an obvious hyperbolic statement unless marvel Earth has two suns in the solar system.



?????

It's straight up said "A Star is Born Near Pluto."

What's hyperbolic about that?

"Water is wet."

"Fire is hot."

"The Earth has gravity."

It happened, we see it happening, and narration confirmed it happened.

Clearly Marvel Earth no longer has two Suns near in its solar system. Or maybe distance is relative. Near Pluto could be a few light years away. It's not our job to figure that out, Marvel has editors.

You create a feat thread, Carver posts feats, and you ignore the feat and you laugh at him? Wtf? Then why make the thread?

A few panels later Reed Richards, using his scientific instruments says the explosion was "near-Nova" proportions.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes that's right, double down on this

Carver isn't in the wrong here. Why are you laughing at him? Laugh at Shooter.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So marvel Earth has two suns? One near pluto?




Idiot.
Where did Ronan or WarThor or Jane showed planetary strength or power? I'm not talking about mother storm here.

Nova Prime would be an amp with whole nova force.

What's the point of making a thread and then ignoring feats pre-emptively? Make a better OP. Here I'll help:

"Only post feats I like, and any feats I don't like are ignored."

Mother Storm IS Mjolnir. It's like the operating system of an Iron Man suit.

Richard Rider's most prolific and famous run is when he was Nova Prime with the full Nova-Force. The Annihilation era was the status quo for like 6 years. I'm not sure what's up now though. I think he's dead?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Carver isn't in the wrong here. Why are you laughing at him? Laugh at Shooter.

I am laughing because his proofs for the Marvel Solar System having two stars include posts like this:

Originally posted by carver9
There are some stars that have 1 planet orbiting it whereas our star...

We haven't traversed the entire universe, so there could be stars that doesnt even have planets orbiting it.

https://ibb.co/MZvXx4w

The same rules doesn't apply to each star. Also, is that star still by pluto? If not, prove it.

Originally posted by carver9
So every star have the same purpose as a sun?

Come on. You and I both know that this is laughable debating - if abhi or Phildo made these kinds of posts, you would be tearing them a new one.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
?????

It's straight up said "A Star is Born Near Pluto."

What's hyperbolic about that?

"Water is wet."

"Fire is hot."

"The Earth has gravity."

It happened, we see it happening, and narration confirmed it happened.


What we saw was an explosion (Nova level, half a solar system I have no problem with). Its the insistence that it birthed a new star.

facepalm

Everyone, rage thinks Pluto is lightyears away. Dude, they were explicitly inside the solar system. Are you retarded or something?

And that I've absolutely no problem with. Its the insistence that Marvel Earth has two suns.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes.
Are you sure? Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What's the point of making a thread and then ignoring feats pre-emptively? Make a better OP. Here I'll help:

"Only post feats I like, and any feats I don't like are ignored."

Mother Storm IS Mjolnir. It's like the operating system of an Iron Man suit.

Richard Rider's most prolific and famous run is when he was Nova Prime with the full Nova-Force. The Annihilation era was the status quo for like 6 years. I'm not sure what's up now though. I think he's dead?
Mother storm is the genie inside the mjolnir and is basically a different character. It's remotely nothing like an operating system.

And that was an amped Nova, not to mention that Rider had full nova force for only a few issues if you actually read the book.

This is one of the stupidest threads i've ever came across. What DOES this exactly prove?

feats are nothing. I've never heard a writer or editor say "feats" in the way KMC debaters use it. Cuz at DC editorial NO SUCH CONCEPT EXISTS! It's about story. Not a particular punch that you can say makes a person such and such a tier. Cuz there are also no tiers. This isn't an rpg or tcg. That feat shit IS NOT REALLY A THING to comic creators. Just story. period

That's why they write stories you call lowballs. That's why they write stories you call outliers. Because they write stories, not feats and will increase or decrease or add new or delete old abilities on a whim. Like they always have done.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
This is one of the stupidest threads i've ever came across. What DOES this exactly prove?

feats are nothing. I've never heard a writer or editor say "feats" in the way KMC debaters use it. Cuz at DC editorial NO SUCH CONCEPT EXISTS! It's about story. Not a particular punch that you can say makes a person such and such a tier. Cuz there are also no tiers. This isn't an rpg or tcg. That feat shit IS NOT REALLY A THING to comic creators. Just story. period

That's why they write stories you call lowballs. That's why they write stories you call outliers. Because they write stories, not feats and will increase or decrease or add new or delete old abilities on a whim. Like they always have done.

...Okay?

Want to tell us more, Captain Obvious?

You either care about feats or you don't. Either is fine. But if you don't, you're on the wrong forum.

My point is this thread is pointless because scaling and tiering doesn't exist except in the minds of fans. period.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
My point is this thread is pointless because scaling and tiering doesn't exist except in the minds of fans. period.

Yeah, but that point could be made about this entire forum, and yet you still post here.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, but that point could be made about this entire forum, and yet you still post here.

So you're ignoring there are no consistent feats? No standard bar. No measure where you can say "that can never happen" cuz it can and will the second a writer says so. This ain't reality. There are no rules. It's all made up and subject to change on a moment's notice

How over reliance on feats leads to a weird, stagnated idea of characters. Personalities, motivations. These things are more consistent. These things matter more in understanding a character.

The strengths levels literally fluctuate from page to page within the same book at times.

Motherstorm mew mew was standard for Janethor.

WM was standard for Nova Prime, who is considered low herald in the forum. Rich had full access to nova force. It was regulated by his suit.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So you're ignoring there are no consistent feats? No standard bar. No measure where you can say "that can never happen" cuz it can and will the second a writer says so. This ain't reality. There are no rules. It's all made up and subject to change on a moment's notice

How over reliance on feats leads to a weird, stagnated idea of characters. Personalities, motivations. These things are more consistent. These things matter more in understanding a character.

The strengths levels literally fluctuate from page to page within the same book at times.

You literally have not read the rules about how characters function on this board, have you.

A star was created ABHI. Deal with it and move on.

That's ignoring the whole "please post feats from the last TWENTY years"
lmao.

It's inadmissible either way, move on Carv.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No


As if your "no" holds any value here.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
This is one of the stupidest threads i've ever came across. What DOES this exactly prove?

feats are nothing. I've never heard a writer or editor say "feats" in the way KMC debaters use it. Cuz at DC editorial NO SUCH CONCEPT EXISTS! It's about story. Not a particular punch that you can say makes a person such and such a tier. Cuz there are also no tiers. This isn't an rpg or tcg. That feat shit IS NOT REALLY A THING to comic creators. Just story. period

That's why they write stories you call lowballs. That's why they write stories you call outliers. Because they write stories, not feats and will increase or decrease or add new or delete old abilities on a whim. Like they always have done. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
My point is this thread is pointless because scaling and tiering doesn't exist except in the minds of fans. period. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So you're ignoring there are no consistent feats? No standard bar. No measure where you can say "that can never happen" cuz it can and will the second a writer says so. This ain't reality. There are no rules. It's all made up and subject to change on a moment's notice

How over reliance on feats leads to a weird, stagnated idea of characters. Personalities, motivations. These things are more consistent. These things matter more in understanding a character.

The strengths levels literally fluctuate from page to page within the same book at times.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Motherstorm mew mew was standard for Janethor.

WM was standard for Nova Prime, who is considered low herald in the forum. Rich had full access to nova force. It was regulated by his suit.
No, it is not.

Full nova force IS an amp for the Rider.Originally posted by carver9
A star was created ABHI. Deal with it and move on.


I have to move on?

Originally posted by abhilegend

No, it is not.

Full nova force IS an amp for the Rider.

That was a feature of Janethor's run. She was often on autopilot due to mew mew walking her through Thor's powers. She also called on mew mew to perform ridiculous things.

Having access to full nova force was what mad him Nova Prime. It was not an amp. And like i said, it was regulated through his suit. Having access to an unlimited energy source doesnt mean u are using it in its entirety at all times.

Marvel wins now. Rebirth heralds went a whole two tiers down, after all of DC 's main herald tiers (including villians) combined their forces and still failed to destroy... the planet earth. Absolutely pathetic, even Unworthy Thor might actually laugh at that.

Ip check time.

Originally posted by MrMind
let's see
current active members

marvel camp has

shadowfyre, stoic, stiltman, rage, celey, alberto, carver, jbl, wxyz, tkitna, enzeru, Glorificus, khazra reborn, HumbleServant, lawest

dc camp has

me, abhi, deft, qwerty, brolyblack, diesaldude, cdtm...that's it

phil is gone, golgo rarely post, darksaint only argue but does not ever pick who wins, galan is only posting on db threads now,

but yes, this site is obviously so dc biased

Damn cant even get an honorable mention..et tu Brute

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Damn cant even get an honorable mention..et tu Brute Don't worry. He left out plenty names for the DC side.

Originally posted by Argon123
Marvel wins now. Rebirth heralds went a whole two tiers down, after all of DC 's main herald tiers (including villians) combined their forces and still failed to destroy... the planet earth. Absolutely pathetic, even Unworthy Thor might actually laugh at that.


And that invalidated all of their previous feats? Can I do the same for marvel heralds?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That was a feature of Janethor's run. She was often on autopilot due to mew mew walking her through Thor's powers. She also called on mew mew to perform ridiculous things.

But that was on Mother storm's wishes. It wasn't like Jane could do that without asking first.

And that's why it was an amp which lasted only a few issues and for the vast majority of his appearances, he doesn't has it.

Originally posted by Argon123
Marvel wins now. Rebirth heralds went a whole two tiers down, after all of DC 's main herald tiers (including villians) combined their forces and still failed to destroy... the planet earth. Absolutely pathetic, even Unworthy Thor might actually laugh at that.

whose sock is this?

Originally posted by abhilegend


And that invalidated all of their previous feats? Can I do the same for marvel heralds? I'm just saying, it went from Superman shattering a small planet with a mere jump (not even a direct attack) to Superman, Black Adam, Swamp Thing, Sinestro, Atrocitus, Star Sapphire, Bizarro, Cyborg Superman, and iirc even Superboy Prime, failing to do anything to Earth. All of this is from one writer: Scott Snyder.

But I only meant Rebirth DC as of now. They lost my vote. If we go overall feats, it's much closer.

Originally posted by MrMind
whose sock is this? Is what he said true?

Originally posted by MrMind
let's see
current active members

marvel camp has

shadowfyre, stoic, stiltman, rage, celey, alberto, carver, jbl, wxyz, tkitna, enzeru, Glorificus, khazra reborn, HumbleServant, lawest

dc camp has

me, abhi, deft, qwerty, brolyblack, diesaldude, cdtm...that's it

phil is gone, golgo rarely post, darksaint only argue but does not ever pick who wins, galan is only posting on db threads now,

but yes, this site is obviously so dc biased


Where is phil?

Originally posted by Argon123
I'm just saying, it went from Superman shattering a small planet with a mere jump (not even a direct attack) to Superman, Black Adam, Swamp Thing, Sinestro, Atrocitus, Star Sapphire, Bizarro, Cyborg Superman, and iirc even Superboy Prime, failing to do anything to Earth. All of this is from one writer: Scott Snyder.

Yeah, it's like there are no other comics and feats, right?

Yeah, you're from comicvine, aren't you?

Originally posted by abhilegend
But that was on Mother storm's wishes. It wasn't like Jane could do that without asking first.

And that's why it was an amp which lasted only a few issues and for the vast majority of his appearances, he doesn't has it.
Mother mew mew is part of her powerset. Smh.

Lol. What r u talking about? Richard w/nova force/wm dominated his run as Nova Prime. He had it during Annihilation, Annhilation Conquest, Realm of Kings, Thanos Imperative, and a majority of his own series.

Isn't Motherstorm its own sentient being though?

Sentient, semi sentient.. Who knows.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Mother mew mew is part of her powerset. Smh.

Lol. What r u talking about? Richard w/nova force/wm dominated his run as Nova Prime. He had it during Annihilation, Annhilation Conquest, Realm of Kings, Thanos Imperative, and a majority of his own series.
She is not.

And that is now 10 years ago. He does not has it now.

Nova got the full Force in June 2006.

Did he really have it that long? I remember he gave it to Ko Rel when he got the virus. Then he created the Nova Corps in like 2008. Nova v4 #17.

Compare and contrast to......his first appearances since the 70s, lol. It's an amp. He didn't have full access to it because it was shared.

Abhi seems hurt.

My eyes would hurt too after reading your posts

Originally posted by abhilegend
She is not.

And that is now 10 years ago. He does not has it now.
Abhi..


Ure point is moot.

I am referencing that Nova Prime era who was considered low herald in these forums for years. Smh.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Mother storm is the genie inside the mjolnir and is basically a different character. It's remotely nothing like an operating system.

And that was an amped Nova, not to mention that Rider had full nova force for only a few issues if you actually read the book.

The Mother Storm is the heart of Mjolnir as said by Heimdall.

Also wdym it's not remotely like an operating system? It literally feeds Jane Foster information, history, experience, and battle tactics:
https://i.imgur.com/Clk9qiU.jpg

It's trapped inside Mjolnir, and is forced to respond to follow the hammer's rules such as deciding who is Worthy, giving them the power of Thor etc.

It's not my fault having a sentient Galaxy-sized sentient super-storm that survived the Big Bang, is the size of a galaxy and is only growing bigger makes Mjolnir OP AF:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-68b8de4ecef143483c9bb526a82bc2a1.webp
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-87383f3167bb598441be4bdd1215c285.webp
https://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2016/10/Odin-Mjolnir-origin.png

I did read the book. Nova Prime Richard Rider has.....the full Nova Force on tap. He distributed it to other Centurions but could withdraw back at any time. What exactly is your point?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What we saw was an explosion (Nova level, half a solar system I have no problem with). Its the insistence that it birthed a new star.

facepalm

Everyone, rage thinks Pluto is lightyears away. Dude, they were explicitly inside the solar system. Are you retarded or something?

And that I've absolutely no problem with. Its the insistence that Marvel Earth has two suns.

It's not Carver's insistence, it's what was on panel. No one cares if you don't like it, no one cares if you can't accept it.

Marvel Earth having two Suns doesn't fit into continuity but unless you became an Editor at Marvel, you don't really get a say on whether or not it counts.

If you want to argue that it doesn't make sense, that's ok. I also happen to agree it's a stupid scene that gets promptly ignored, but it doesn't matter that I think that. Feelings =/= feats.

Making fun of Carver and insisting it's not valid is idiotic. That's how silly you are. You have me defending Carver and Gladiator, which I really don't want to do.

It makes my heart melt seeing Rage defend me. He is my Thor (made sure I said this in enough time for you not to be able to edit your post. Enjoy).

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Abhi..


Ure point is moot.

I am referencing that Nova Prime era who was considered low herald in these forums for years. Smh.
And why do I care what forums say?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Mother Storm is the heart of Mjolnir as said by Heimdall.

Also wdym it's not remotely like an operating system? It literally feeds Jane Foster information, history, experience, and battle tactics:
https://i.imgur.com/Clk9qiU.jpg

That's not new, StormBreaker has done it to BRB too. It was the enchantment. By its own admission the only time it awakened was when Jane was in danger of getting her secret revealed.

Yeah, that still does not makes it Jane galaxy level.

It was an amp which lasted a few years.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's not Carver's insistence, it's what was on panel. No one cares if you don't like it, no one cares if you can't accept it.

Marvel Earth having two Suns doesn't fit into continuity but unless you became an Editor at Marvel, you don't really get a say on whether or not it counts.

Why not? Old comics were full of hyperbolic statements like that.

You don't have to be an editor to have common sense.

You're only going this route because I'm arguing against it.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Damn cant even get an honorable mention..et tu Brute

We apparently aren't active enough

you guys are in the middle, sway both ways

i forgot hulkster for marvel camp, who is basically a less funny version of carver

Originally posted by abhilegend
So this is the list of high heralds and mid heralds as per tier thread. Which company (DC or Marvel) heralds have more cosmic showings (Planet destroying, sun level feats) in last twenty years? Characters should be unamped while performing the feats. Assisted feats are allowed.

Tier 3 - Herald
High
Adam Warlock, Annihilus (/w/ CCR), Asmodel, Atrocitus, Brimstone, Cyborg Superman, Despero, Doomsday (DOS), Doomsday (Gog Wars), The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Firestorm, Flash (Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen), Genis-Vell, Godspeed, Grail, Green Lanterns (Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner), Helspont, Imperiex Probes, John Constantine, Majestic, Maxima, Obsidian, Orion, Quasar, Sentry (no Void), Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Starbrand, Starro the Conqueror, Talisman, Thor, The Weird, Ultraman, Wonder Woman, Zatanna, Zod, Zoom (Hunter Solomon)
Middle
Abra Kadabra, Alexander Nero, Apocalypse, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Blue Marvel, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Captain Marvel (DC), Cassandra Nova, Cheetah, Citizen Steel, Count Nefaria, Damage, Damien Hellstrom, Dr. Doom, Eradicator (non-Fortress Mode), Etrigan, The Fallen One, The General (Shaggy Man), Gladiator, Graviton, Grayven, Green Lanterns (Guy Gardner, Jessica Cruz, John Stewart, Katma, Kilowog, Simon Baz, Sodam Yat), Hulk, Hyperion, Juggernaut (Classic), Kang, Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Maestro, Magneto (616), Magus (Post-IG), Manchester Black, Mantis (New God), Martian Manhunter, Mon-El, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Spectrum), Moonstone (w/ both stones), Morg, Nate Grey, O.M.A.C., Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shaman, Skreet, Star Sapphire (Carol Ferris), Stardust, Supergirl, Ultron, White Martians, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form) DC, by far. In Marvel Mjolnir gets melted by the sun, Hulk gets pinned down and prison raped by the weight of the sun, Surfer and BRB get plowed by a Black Hole than even Corsair and the rest survive, lol.

Meanwhile in DC, teenager half kryptonians go through Black Holes, Orion vaporizes solar systems while fighting and Hal plays pool with planets.

You'd have to be legitimate insane to think the Marvel characters operate anywhere near the top tiers in DC. In fact, the likes of Surfer don't even represent the high-herald tier in any way anymore, when there's plenty of high and even mid-heralds that arguably have greater raw power than him.

Lmao, it always amazes me at how biased Philosophia is. I'm not sure why individuals with autism self-select into being Superman fans. It's always been a bit of a mystery.

Maybe it's the red tights, since Philosophia most likely wears diapers on the outside too.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lmao, it always amazes me at how biased Philosophia is. I'm not sure why individuals with autism self-select into being Superman fans. It's always been a bit of a mystery.

Maybe it's the red tights, since Philosophia most likely wears diapers on the outside too.
Great way to refute his claims.

Like really.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Great way to refute his claims.

Like really.

Ok....



That's how far I made it. Let's make this extra hard by sticking this only to Jason Aaron written comics, and using references only to Stellar masses. I.e. even if a feat noticeably superior to Solar level, such as Mjolnir surviving Big Bang energies, the death of a Universe, or the God Bomb, we won't count it. So basically extra extra hard.

We will break it down by the Mangog story-line as pre, current, and post as Sun interactions in Thor stories.

Pre-Mangog
1) Thor flies so fast, Stars flicker.
2) Three Thor's fight Gorr in a Sun.
3) Thor and Mjolnir fly into a black hole.
4) Mjolnir hurts, damages, scares and tanks the Phoenix in the same story it is made clear the bird can consume a Universe.
5) Mjolnir endures the fire of the Phoenix.
6) Mjolnir flies through a Star.
7) Mjolnir changes a flying Supernova into a regular Star.

During-Mangog
8) Mjolnir melts in the Sun.
9) Thor falls into the Sun and leaps from the Sun to Asgard.

Post-Mangog:
10) Thor hangs himself upside down on a portion of the World Tree on the Sun.
11) Mjolnir is reforged and flies from the Sun.
12) Thor spent millennia living in the heart of the Sun.
13) Mjolnir flies through the Sun.
14) Gorr traps Mjolnir in the Sun.
15) Mjolnir absorbs and throws three Suns at Gorr.
16) A half-dead dying Loki spends the rest of Eternity powering the last star in the Universe.

Those are all off the top of my head. All under JA I believe, and limited to stellar masses and showings not far above Solar level. Out of all those showings, Philosphoia referenced the bolded one.

How many times has Superman survived in the Sun? How many times has it been highlighted that he would not be able to or could die? Did he not recently say that the pressure near (not at) the Earth's core was nearly too much for him?

Now imagine I made the same post and said, "DC Heralds are weak, Superman can barely survive near the centre of the Earth etc."

It's a retarded post. I understand you feel a sense of comradeship because you probably buy your diapers from the same manufacturer as him, but think about things a little.

King Thor using mjolnir is hardly the same thing as Thor using mjolnir. Most of those you cite are alternate reality showings (and its a precedent set under Jurgens that Odinforce can make mjolnir stronger).

Also lol @ using flickering stars as a feat.

Mjolnir melted in the sun, it was a major plot point of a ****ing event, not some random Justice League showing where Superman was still the most powerful being on Earth and literally stalemated The Keeper who was moving entire timeline casually.

Originally posted by abhilegend
King Thor using mjolnir is hardly the same thing as Thor using mjolnir. Most of those you cite are alternate reality showings (and its a precedent set under Jurgens that Odinforce can make mjolnir stronger).

I did not mention a single alternate reality showing. Those were all written by Jason Aaron.

Under Jason Aaron, it's the same hammer, and is independent of the All-Father because of the Mother Storm.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Also lol @ using flickering stars as a feat.

Mjolnir melted in the sun, it was a major plot point of a ****ing event, not some random Justice League showing where Superman was still the most powerful being on Earth and literally stalemated The Keeper who was moving entire timeline casually.

Mjolnir did not melt in the War of Realms, even though a piece of it did. Soooo your argument is that something counts more when it's part of an event?

In War of the Realms, Thor used the Mother Storm to forge a new Mjolnir in the Sun, and it was undamaged.

Did Mjolnir get more durable during any of these events? Clearly not, hammer durability doesn't fluctuate with confidence. It was a plot point, but it was one of many. However, since it fits your narrative, it is referenced despite a large body of evidence contradicting it.

DC heralds have always been weak sauce, even recently an amped Superman (fused with anti life cells) and Several main dc heralds including Prime hit everything with everything they've had and the planet doesn't break:

How abhi views Superman/DC HERALDS isn't how DC writers view them nor portrayed as.

https://i.postimg.cc/hX9t8ZNZ/7700511-9895377533-1-UJ1b1-Rgffli-ILDn-G5e-Ab-Qoa-O4o-M4a-Yp-K6-PN5-NEsxrjag-Pehk-Ion-Xyz1-SV5-Uc-F5-Zo-HAYJly-Xo-Hd-UYprq.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/kDzJ0dmh/7700512-6364194084-Af3dw-W9i-Mj-Qic-fb-Cgi-Ue-54-Jk-Sat-Oh2-Vv-Bkkl-P-Ga6-QLjs-H-bs-OMo-VUEw-R16vwf-JP-REbq-Vz-Oj-PH95g.jpg

You guys are great. Really.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
DC heralds have always been weak sauce, even recently an amped Superman (fused with anti life cells) and Several main dc heralds including Prime hit everything with everything they've had and the planet doesn't break:

How abhi views Superman/DC HERALDS isn't how DC writers view them nor portrayed as.

https://i.postimg.cc/hX9t8ZNZ/7700511-9895377533-1-UJ1b1-Rgffli-ILDn-G5e-Ab-Qoa-O4o-M4a-Yp-K6-PN5-NEsxrjag-Pehk-Ion-Xyz1-SV5-Uc-F5-Zo-HAYJly-Xo-Hd-UYprq.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/kDzJ0dmh/7700512-6364194084-Af3dw-W9i-Mj-Qic-fb-Cgi-Ue-54-Jk-Sat-Oh2-Vv-Bkkl-P-Ga6-QLjs-H-bs-OMo-VUEw-R16vwf-JP-REbq-Vz-Oj-PH95g.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegend

DC's biggest powerhouses failed to destroy the Earth, it was a major plot point of a ****ing event, not some random Mjolnir showing where Thor was still the most powerful god in the Universe and literally fought Mangog who was more dangerous than the Phoenix and the ultimate sanction for every god in creation.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You guys are great. Really.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I did not mention a single alternate reality showing. Those were all written by Jason Aaron.

Under Jason Aaron, it's the same hammer, and is independent of the All-Father because of the Mother Storm.

Jason Aaron doesn't gets to change the rules of time travel in marvel. King Thor timeline is an alternate reality.



The whole event was to make Thor worthy and to reforge mjolnir which was shown repeatedly.

Youre an idiot.

Aaron literally said that if mjolnir is in the sun for a long time or doesn't gets out, it melts. Not that it melts instantly.

No matter how much you moan about it, it's not going to change.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
DC heralds have always been weak sauce, even recently an amped Superman (fused with anti life cells) and Several main dc heralds including Prime hit everything with everything they've had and the planet doesn't break:

How abhi views Superman/DC HERALDS isn't how DC writers view them nor portrayed as.

https://i.postimg.cc/hX9t8ZNZ/7700511-9895377533-1-UJ1b1-Rgffli-ILDn-G5e-Ab-Qoa-O4o-M4a-Yp-K6-PN5-NEsxrjag-Pehk-Ion-Xyz1-SV5-Uc-F5-Zo-HAYJly-Xo-Hd-UYprq.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/kDzJ0dmh/7700512-6364194084-Af3dw-W9i-Mj-Qic-fb-Cgi-Ue-54-Jk-Sat-Oh2-Vv-Bkkl-P-Ga6-QLjs-H-bs-OMo-VUEw-R16vwf-JP-REbq-Vz-Oj-PH95g.jpg
In the same event Prime literally destroyed three multiverses and Superman literally powered up the sun.

Its clearly the plot point of indestructible Earth. But hey, one showing changes everything, huh? Should I bring up marvel heralds such showings?

Originally posted by abhilegend
In the same event Prime literally destroyed three multiverses and Superman literally powered up the sun.

Its clearly the plot point of indestructible Earth. But hey, one showing changes everything, huh? Should I bring up marvel heralds such showings?

It wasn't plot, thats your head canon, nor was the planet durability amped. It was normal Earth.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Jason Aaron doesn't gets to change the rules of time travel in marvel. King Thor timeline is an alternate reality.



The whole event was to make Thor worthy and to reforge mjolnir which was shown repeatedly.

Youre an idiot.

Aaron literally said that if mjolnir is in the sun for a long time or doesn't gets out, it melts. Not that it melts instantly.

No matter how much you moan about it, it's not going to change.

King Thor is canon to current Thor. Reed Richards even travels in time to get King Thor for War of Realms.

Yes, he reforged Mjolnir and it flew out from the heart of the Sun unharmed.

Jason Aaron defended his stupid scene during the Mangog run where Mjolnir was destroyed almost instantaneously because he had huge backlash. It was stupid and contradictory to all of Mjolnir's history and his own writing. That's how stupid his scene was, he had to defend it, and immediately contradicted it. That's what Philosphia tried to point to as evidence. An extreme outlier of epic proportions that was solved (Mjolnir was reforged, so the scene arguably isn't even valid anymore to the current hammer).

Then a few issues later, he had Thor swimming in the Sun everyday for weeks trying to find Mjolnir. In War of Realms, Thor hung himself on the World Tree in the Sun for an extended period as well. He then had King Loki spent all of Eternity powering the last Sun.

Now, go put your diaper on and go play in the mud.

If you really want to debate this stance, we can start a battle zone on Mjolnir vs. stellar fire and the loser doesn't get to participate in their favourite character threads (I.e. Superman for you, and Thor for me).

Originally posted by abhilegend
In the same event Prime literally destroyed three multiverses and Superman literally powered up the sun.

Its clearly the plot point of indestructible Earth. But hey, one showing changes everything, huh? Should I bring up marvel heralds such showings?

When did Prime do this? Please post scans.

Superman did the feat off-panel using a machine.

These feats are laughably vague compared to some of the other things posted here that you have tried to dismiss.

Originally posted by MrMind
let's see
current active members

marvel camp has

shadowfyre, stoic, stiltman, rage, celey, alberto, carver, jbl, wxyz, tkitna, enzeru, Glorificus, khazra reborn, HumbleServant, lawest

dc camp has

me, abhi, deft, qwerty, brolyblack, diesaldude, cdtm...that's it

phil is gone, golgo rarely post, darksaint only argue but does not ever pick who wins, galan is only posting on db threads now,

but yes, this site is obviously so dc biased

How did I get on this list?

I spend 99% of my time in the GDF.

Originally posted by MrMind
I miss you I'll pop up from time to time when I find something interesting, or to make power-bottoms seethe with frustration. :*

It's so boring from what I've randomly been reading, though.

Anything interesting lately?

I shine the Phildo signal and we get into the car together.

Lol... darksaint needs to be on the DC list 100%. Theres a lot of people missing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In the same event Prime literally destroyed three multiverses and Superman literally powered up the sun.

Its clearly the plot point of indestructible Earth. But hey, one showing changes everything, huh? Should I bring up marvel heralds such showings?

It would be cool to liven up that topic.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It wasn't plot, thats your head canon, nor was the planet durability amped. It was normal Earth.
So should I bring such showings for marvel heralds? That'd be far more than one showing.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
King Thor is canon to current Thor. Reed Richards even travels in time to get King Thor for War of Realms.



Time travel means alternate reality my dude.

Must've been pretty fast to do that.



Like I said, you can fume all you want, it's not going to change. Mangog (more powerful than Odin and Phoenix) is also dead. Oh and Cates retconned that Odinforce was only weakened when it was transferred to Thor from Odin. Meaning Odin was at full power in all of Aaron's run.

Thor was quickly flying out before he gets burned.

And the surface of the sun cooked him pretty good.

Alternate reality is pretty good.

That's what your girlfriend said to you?



How did I know that was coming?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When did Prime do this? Please post scans.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here you go.

https://i.postimg.cc/mPb53x0Y/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/JsPdP6L9/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zLQ21y37/image.jpg

Before you start, breaking antennas does not destroy universes. Lanterns did it in Multiverse's end.

https://i.postimg.cc/KknWrZv5/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/SYkvgwnb/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/XBLDmQ5G/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Dmcv7hds/image.jpg





It was his own power which was used to power the sun.

facepalm

Hulk incapacitated TOBA with a single hit, dropped him. A being that demon lords are afraid of.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So should I bring such showings for marvel heralds? That'd be far more than one showing.

Marvel heralds would laugh at this showing. You being butthurt about that doesn't change it, its a reason why dc heralds haven't been pitted up against marvel for days now

And no you ran away to rage because you thought he wouldnt be able to see through your foolishnes. mr iTs POiNTleSs DisCusSiNG WiTh YOU your excuses is hilarious.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Marvel heralds would laugh at this showing. You being butthurt about that doesn't change it, its a reason why dc heralds haven't been pitted up against marvel for days now
DC Heralds would laugh at marvel heralds in general. In fact they have, repeatedly in the past crossovers where DC Heralds were much weaker than they are now.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
And no you ran away to rage because you thought he wouldnt be able to see through your foolishnes. mr iTs POiNTleSs DisCusSiNG WiTh YOU your excuses is hilarious.
Shut up troll.

Originally posted by abhilegend
DC Heralds would laugh at marvel heralds in general. In fact they have, repeatedly in the past crossovers where DC Heralds were much weaker than they are now.

Oh really? Who decided that, you or Marvel?
You've spent a decade on this forum desperately tryna convine the masses that Superman would hold a candle to Marvels top powerhouses like Hulk, Surfer, Thor, and Sentry and got smacked repeatedly by debaters I KNOW that fact hurts your soul

So are any of you actually going to debate? Or just lie out your asses to protect your precious favourites?

Originally posted by abhilegend


Time travel means alternate reality my dude.

Must've been pretty fast to do that.



Like I said, you can fume all you want, it's not going to change. Mangog (more powerful than Odin and Phoenix) is also dead. Oh and Cates retconned that Odinforce was only weakened when it was transferred to Thor from Odin. Meaning Odin was at full power in all of Aaron's run.

Thor was quickly flying out before he gets burned.

And the surface of the sun cooked him pretty good.

Alternate reality is pretty good.

That's what your girlfriend said to you?



How did I know that was coming?

I don't understand the issue. You clearly care about this topic enough because we've been debating it for what, two pages now?

Let's do a battle zone, get a ruling on it, and we never have to talk about it again.

The underlined is literally made up.