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which one has more willpower?

Hal

Doom
If Doom had the ring he would dig down to the core of the ring's essence and be come a universal lantern. The will of Doom is absolute.

Originally posted by Aakla
Doom
If Doom had the ring he would dig down to the core of the ring's essence and be come a universal lantern. The will of Doom is absolute.

whose sock is this

Doom overcame PR Beyonder, he wins here.

Jordans a punk compared to Doom

Hal. I'm not even convinced Doom could possibly wield a ring. He has a lot of character flaws

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hal. I'm not even convinced Doom could possibly wield a ring. He has a lot of character flaws

Doom would wield the ring far better than any Lantern ever did.

Willpower alone doesn't determine ringslinging ability. This is fact.

I don't think so, since Secret Wars his ego (or lack thereof) has shown he really has an inferiority complex when it comes to Reed. It's downplayed on the board but it's mentioned enough in canon to warrant an argument. In any event without prep and in a random encounter Hal is too much for him.

Will power is literally your drive or motivation to do/complete/accomplish something. Doom has shown exactly how far that could go to a multiversal scale.

Willpower alone isn't how the rings work. It has more to do with overcoming fear.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I'm not referring to every spectrum. I'm specifically talking about the green lantern ring. His fear is being second. His fear is not being good enough, the whole premise of secret ware showed how enviable he was of Reed's life even when he had god-like powers. So yes he knows fear. As shown on panel which imo precludes him from being a good candidate.

But as far as the thread goes Hal ftw

Secret War happened 5 years ago. In that time in a Marvel 2 in One he confronted himself on this. It is not and never was a fear.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Willpower alone doesn't determine ringslinging ability. This is fact. What are the other factors that determine this ability?

Anyway, Doom, and it's not even close.

Just a speculation here : Doom could perhaps use his will power to overcome all his short comings ie fear or ego etc.. he once stripped the molecule man of self doubt and fear etc and made him quite powerful ...

this should sum up the difference:

https://i.postimg.cc/SYbtPxph/feh.jpg

Also to caveat the doombots represent doom so in essence he's basically talking to himself.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He could, everything is within the realm of possibility in comics. Yea he has a strong will but my understanding of the ring, I don't think it is in his wheelhouse.



Then I don't know what to tell you. It's blatantly obvious from artist depiction and dialogue that he's filled with doubt. The conversation got under his skin, the uncertainty is apparent. The doombots were boosting his ego while he was unsure. Reread the book

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Also to caveat the doombots represent doom so in essence he's basically talking to himself.

again, fear and doubt are too different things. The doombots are made in his likeness not a representation of his essence. This was also mentioned in the same comic.

https://i.postimg.cc/zVBBxCq8/cer.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
again, fear and doubt are too different things. The doombots are made in his likeness not a representation of his essence. This was also mentioned in the same comic.

https://i.postimg.cc/zVBBxCq8/cer.jpg

so you agree he is doubting himself

Originally posted by Sin I AM
so you agree he is doubting himself

I thought that was clear lol? Yes he did have doubt but again fear and doubt are 2 very different things. Hell, Hal has doubted himself before. Kyle Rayner definitely has doubted himself before.

When Kyle doubted himself he was unable to work the ring.

Kyle has consistent doubt once in a while. But what I actually touched on was fear rather then doubt.

https://i.postimg.cc/fJkF1gV2/hotl.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/NLjPrPks/dk.jpg

Goes back into green

https://i.postimg.cc/mPCdsxBw/trys.jpg

Yes but I am talking about doubt.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Kyle has consistent doubt once in a while. But what I actually touched on was fear rather then doubt.

SIN said fear is not good for the emerald core, but Kyle is always scared.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
And yet...



Fear... inferiority. Like I said, not a good candidate for the emerald corps. Maybe avarice or something

Almost like that's what the ring says when selecting someone.......

Hal Jordan in rebirth admitting to sinestro that even while as a green lantern he was always scared of innocents dying, pushing too hard etc:

https://i.postimg.cc/dDkvyBFy/wiek.jpg

Lol I don't think even you know what you're arguing at this point.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol I don't think even you know what you're arguing at this point.

He doesn't...he went too far down the rabbit hole.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol I don't think even you know what you're arguing at this point.

You know exactly what I'm arguing. There's nothing that disputes Doom wielding the ring.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He doesn't...he went too far down the rabbit hole.

Except you said "Fear wasnt good for the emerald core"

And yet that's disproven by these panels

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Hal Jordan in rebirth admitting to sinestro that even while as a green lantern he was always scared of innocents dying, pushing too hard etc:

https://i.postimg.cc/dDkvyBFy/wiek.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
https://i.postimg.cc/fJkF1gV2/hotl.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/NLjPrPks/dk.jpg

Goes back into green

https://i.postimg.cc/mPCdsxBw/trys.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Except you said "Fear wasnt good for the emerald core"

And yet that's disproven by these panels

Ok. Those scenes don't help your stance

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ok. Those scenes don't help your stance

My stance is pretty straightforward, Dr Doom would be able to obtain a GL ring.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
And yet...



Fear... inferiority. Like I said, not a good candidate for the emerald corps. Maybe avarice or something

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
My stance is pretty straightforward, Dr Doom would be able to obtain a GL ring.

Like I said doubtful. Agree to disagree. Sinestro Corps sure... G Lantern, no. Good talk...

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was retconned in Dark Avengers.

I would like to challenge that retcon.
In FF when Doom wished for his memories from the cosmic cube, I theorize that this event is also the reason Doom remembered the retconned event. Because the wish didn't just give Doom back his missing memories from before the secret Wars, it gives him back all memories that go missing. This is why he still remembered the retconned event.

Originally posted by Aakla
I would like to challenge that retcon.
In FF when Doom wished for his memories from the cosmic cube, I theorize that this event is also the reason Doom remembered the retconned event. Because the wish didn't just give Doom back his missing memories from before the secret Wars, it gives him back all memories that go missing. This is why he still remembered the retconned event.
Huh?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Huh?

Doom lost the powers of the beyonder because he was incomplete. during the secret wars the beyonder was unable to find doom so he pulled/was sent by a future beyonder into the secret wars with no memory of how he got there.

At the time doom has to transfer his mind into a bystander then later summoned the beyonder to recreate his body. and the beyonder was like WTF I remember you! and Doom was like dude you are on crack we never met. anyway doom got sent back to in time to the secret wars without his memory because an issue with time being destroyed if doom died.

Later Doom got ahold of a cosmic cube (molecule man and beyonder) and asked for his memories back.

I'm saying that this act not only gave Doom back his memories but also prevents him from losing memories in a way.

So the retcon wouldn't be a true retcon since Doom retains memories of the event then the event in a way still exists.