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This one's gonna be a bit odd, I'm gonna try to stay away from traditional superheroes and just have normal guys, but there will be a few heroes here and there.

So that Cap doesn't blow through this, he gets 3 minutes of rest between each round. Every subsequent round he wins will earn him another 3 minutes, so if he beats Karate Kid he'll have 3 minutes, if he beats Team 2 he'll have 6, so on and so forth. He'll also be shieldless. Exception is Round 8, where he'll have his shield.

1. Karate Kid - Daniel Larusso, Johnny Lawrence, Chozen Toguchi, Mike Barnes, and Mr. Miyagi

2. Various Universes - Robert McCall, Black Widow, Rorschach (Movie)

3. Various Universes - IP Man, Danny the Dog, Mr. Lee (Enter the Dragon)

4. Banshee - Lucas Hood, Clay Burton, Kai Proctor, Chayton Littlestone

5. Marvel Shows - Frank Castle (Netflix), DareDevil (Netflix), & Iron Fist (Netflix, no actually using his Iron Fist)

6. Various Universes - Grey Trace, John Wick, Jason Bourne, & Frank Martin

6. Kingsman - Harry Hart, Eggsy Unwin, & Gazelle

7. Fast & Furious - Luke Hobbs, Dominic Toretto, & Deckard Shaw

8. Various Universes - T-800, Brixton Lore, Marv (Sin City), Ozymandias (Movie)

AKA? Cap blows through this.

Originally posted by riv6672
AKA? Cap blows through this. I'm pretty sure Ozymandias alone would be tough for him.

K.

He might struggle with 5 but only because Ironfist has a puncher's chance. After that he easily beats the other teams till he hits #8, which he'll lose mostly due to the duo of Brixton and Ozy.

Originally posted by FrothByte
He might struggle with 5 but only because Ironfist has a puncher's chance. After that he easily beats the other teams till he hits #8, which he'll lose mostly due to the duo of Brixton and Ozy. Iron Fist isn't a better fighter then DD, especially if you've watched the Defenders.

He's not allowed to use his orange fist iron fist technique.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Iron Fist isn't a better fighter then DD, especially if you've watched the Defenders.

He's not allowed to use his orange fist iron fist technique.

Ah, I didn't read that stipulation about not using the Ironfist. That makes him pretty useless against Cap.

Cap demolishes all the teams till he gets to #8, and it's really Brixton who'll be carrying his team.

Cap clears this

^^^this guy gets it,

No.

bump

Makes it at least to 8, the T-800 and Black Superman might be too much

If 7 doesn't stop him, 8 will.

8 not sure why Ozy is so high

Originally posted by Jmanghan
bump
Still Cap, across the board.

See you in 2023!

Originally posted by carthage
8 not sure why Ozy is so high

Because aside from the people on 7 and 8, Ozy is a much better fighter and stronger. His feats are just better. He wouldn't have trouble with that list up until the Kingsmen.

I'd personally put Ozy on 7 and switch Dom or Hobbs over to 8. Shaw's good at 7 because he's a way better fighter than Dom or Hobbs but not quite as strong/tough as them. He's more finesse to their brute force. But the FFverse is a live action cartoon at this point. Dom deadlifts cars and engine blocks. Hobbs can curl stone prison benches and hold a helicopter from flying off.

Originally posted by KingD19
Him flinging grown men like ragdolls would. Also they both have decent feats. Them taking all the hits Ozy gave them for one, but Nite-Owl was one-shotting criminals and snapping bones easily with his hits. Rorschach was wading through cops in h2h.

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If you think MCU Frank is on his level, you're either disrespecting Ozy, or giving Frank way too much praise. Or both.

I don't like Ozy, but I'll give him his due.

The sytlized fights in Watchmen never really did make much sense in terms of power scaling, at least not when it came to Ozy.

Him being able to easily handle both Rosch and Night Owl should have meant that he would have taken out Comedian much faster than he did, unless we assume Comedian was a much better fighter than either Rosch or N.O.

If Ozy was fast enough to be catching bullets, then he should have been fast enough that he wouldn't need to block so many hits from Rosch, NO or Comedian.

And if he was strong enough to be sending grown men flying with a kick or so, then he should have been strong enough to be snapping their necks with a punch or two.

Now we could assume that the reason Rosch and NO weren't getting their heads caved in with his punches is due to Rosch and NO being excessively tough as is only normal for supposed "human level" superheroes (like how Natasha can survive a backhand from Hulk).

But if that's the assumption, then it means Ozy isn't really that strong either. That his feats are merely an exaggeration of stylized fight scenes. Which means he should still be roughly human-level in stats (or at least what passes for human level among superheroes) and that he should still be far below guys like Captain America or Brixton.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The sytlized fights in Watchmen never really did make much sense in terms of power scaling, at least not when it came to Ozy.

Him being able to easily handle both Rosch and Night Owl should have meant that he would have taken out Comedian much faster than he did, unless we assume Comedian was a much better fighter than either Rosch or N.O.

If Ozy was fast enough to be catching bullets, then he should have been fast enough that he wouldn't need to block so many hits from Rosch, NO or Comedian.

And if he was strong enough to be sending grown men flying with a kick or so, then he should have been strong enough to be snapping their necks with a punch or two.

Now we could assume that the reason Rosch and NO weren't getting their heads caved in with his punches is due to Rosch and NO being excessively tough as is only normal for supposed "human level" superheroes (like how Natasha can survive a backhand from Hulk).

But if that's the assumption, then it means Ozy isn't really that strong either. That his feats are merely an exaggeration of stylized fight scenes. Which means he should still be roughly human-level in stats (or at least what passes for human level among superheroes) and that he should still be far below guys like Captain America or Brixton.

That's nice breakdown, but at the end of the day we see him launching grown men with casual attacks. We see him easily dancing around them and blocking them with contempt, not because he had to, but because he wanted them to know he was better than them in every way possible. That's why he let them go through all the motions to think they could actually stop him, only to tell them he'd pushed the button like an hour ago. And it was confirmed that even in retirement, Comedian was the best fighter and toughest SoB in the Watchmen aside from Ozy himself.

We don't have him with feats as high up as guys like Cap and Brixton, which is why I said I'd slot him down to Crew 7 and put Hobbs or Dom up at 8. But the feats he does have make him a low-end superhuman that can toss around humans of similar size like ragdolls. They even pointed out how you'd have to drive a car at high speeds to even crack the plate glass Comedian got thrown through. So he has a lot of comparisons on top of the shown feats.

Regardless of all that, he is beyond MCU Punisher, which was what my entire post was about. If Ozy showed up in the MCU, he'd be one of the strongest people we've seen after Luke, Bushmaster, Jessica, and Black Sky Elektra.

Originally posted by KingD19
That's nice breakdown, but at the end of the day we see him launching grown men with casual attacks. We see him easily dancing around them and blocking them with contempt, not because he had to, but because he wanted them to know he was better than them in every way possible. That's why he let them go through all the motions to think they could actually stop him, only to tell them he'd pushed the button like an hour ago. And it was confirmed that even in retirement, Comedian was the best fighter and toughest SoB in the Watchmen aside from Ozy himself.

We don't have him with feats as high up as guys like Cap and Brixton, which is why I said I'd slot him down to Crew 7 and put Hobbs or Dom up at 8. But the feats he does have make him a low-end superhuman that can toss around humans of similar size like ragdolls. They even pointed out how you'd have to drive a car at high speeds to even crack the plate glass Comedian got thrown through. So he has a lot of comparisons on top of the shown feats.

Regardless of all that, he is beyond MCU Punisher, which was what my entire post was about. If Ozy showed up in the MCU, he'd be one of the strongest people we've seen after Luke, Bushmaster, Jessica, and Black Sky Elektra.

"And it was confirmed that even in retirement, Comedian was the best fighter and toughest SoB in the Watchmen aside from Ozy himself." - was this mentioned in the movie?

I mean, I don't disagree with your assessment. I'd rate Frank Castle as tougher and meaner than Ozy but definitely won't rank him at equal skill or strength level. I'd say Ozy was somewhere between Kingpin and Jessica Jones in strength and around Daredevil or Ironfist in skill.

Originally posted by FrothByte
"And it was confirmed that even in retirement, Comedian was the best fighter and toughest SoB in the Watchmen aside from Ozy himself." - was this mentioned in the movie?

I mean, I don't disagree with your assessment. I'd rate Frank Castle as tougher and meaner than Ozy but definitely won't rank him at equal skill or strength level. I'd say Ozy was somewhere between Kingpin and Jessica Jones in strength and around Daredevil or Ironfist in skill.

I'd have to find the quotes. I only remember clearly them saying that even in retirement, he was still built like a linebacker. Plus the direct comparison can be made that Ozy actually had a fight on his hands against a drunk, retired Comedian. But he played around with Ror and Nite-Owl the entire time.

As for Ozy's toughness, it's hard to comment on it because he doesn't take a solid hit the whole movie he doesn't let happen because he's so much better a fighter than everyone else, and Frank can eat pain for breakfast, lunch and dinner so we're agreed on that. Meaner as in more willing to fight dirty? Because Ozy literally has no limits on the evil he'll commit.

Also agreed on the comparisons. He can't hold up cars like Jones, but he can toss people around with ease and do super jumps. And he's the most skilled person in the Watchmen movie, while Matt and then Danny are the most skilled in the street level MCU.


When he does get hit though, he seems pretty tough.

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https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11123/111235159/5986703-urylysb%20-%20imgur.gif - Despite the glove being armored, he ignores the fact that he just got shot in the palm with a revolver.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11123/111235159/5986733-s73kyjk%20-%20imgur.gif - Nite-Owl is strong enough to snap someones knee with a punch.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11123/111235159/5986735-wbp0wxm%20-%20imgur.gif - Shatters an elbow.

He landed like 8 free haymakers and 2 headbutts on Ozy's face and barely split his cheek open. And it didn't even bother him.

Originally posted by KingD19
Him flinging grown men like ragdolls would. Also they both have decent feats. Them taking all the hits Ozy gave them for one, but Nite-Owl was one-shotting criminals and snapping bones easily with his hits. Rorschach was wading through cops in h2h.

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If you think MCU Frank is on his level, you're either disrespecting Ozy, or giving Frank way too much praise. Or both.

I don't like Ozy, but I'll give him his due.

Those are stat feats not skill feats. Again Matt and Frank routinely beat featless thugs in every episode. Either one of them could replicate stomping random fodder. Nothing you posted is impressive at all

Ok bro. Frank would still get stomped by Ozy.

Originally posted by KingD19
Ok bro. Frank would still get stomped by Ozy.

My statement was he isn't any more skilled than Frank or Matt, which is demonstrably true He'd win against the Punisher based on physicals not because he's more skilled. Lets not act like beating Rorschach and Nite Owl is some great thing when Rorschach got his ass kicked by cops and Nite Owl beating random guys with knives is something weakened S3 Matt could do.