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who is superior in these catogeries

Magic
Speed
Strength
Energy Projection
Durability
Technology
Telepathy
Fighting Skills
Versatility
Reality Warping

Hulk in all.

DC: Magic, speed, strength, and durability.

Marvel: Energy projection, technology, telepathy, and fighting skills.

Versatility is a toss-up.

I assume this is only for up to the herald tier, no? Because then you'd have to include some higher up abstracts that skews this a lot (Spectre, Mxy and the like).

so for abstracts you can look at magic and reality warping

and for trans and below strength, speed, energy projection etc

for me it goes like this

DC: Magic, speed, strength, Durability, Reality Warping

Marvel: Energy projection, technology, telepathy, fighting skills, Versatility

In general rather than getting broken down too far;
Magic = Marvel
Speed =Marvel
Strength = Marvel (Too many physical powerhouses with better consistency)
Energy Projection = Marvel
Durability = Marvel
Technology = Tough call here, but Marvel (Alien Empires, Wakanda, and the various tech Marvels heroes and the world have built to balance against other threats. Terrific, Brainiac and Cyborg are tremendous repos, but most of Marvel truly on earth gear and materials mostly in developing their gear (though they are quick to adapt and assimilate advanced and alien tech))
Telepathy = Marvel (Omega Mutants and focus on other abilites)
Fighting Skills = Marvel
Versatility = Marvel
Reality Warping = Marvel (Omega Mutants and other powerhouses such as Sentry)
Excluding strength, DC has had relatively better showing in physical metrics and powers, but Marvel has had a wider power variety spread and focus.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
In general rather than getting broken down too far;
Magic = Marvel
Speed =Marvel
Strength = Marvel (Too many physical powerhouses with better consistency)
Energy Projection = Marvel
Durability = Marvel
Technology = Tough call here, but Marvel (Alien Empires, Wakanda, and the various tech Marvels heroes and the world have built to balance against other threats. Terrific, Brainiac and Cyborg are tremendous repos, but most of Marvel truly on earth gear and materials mostly in developing their gear (though they are quick to adapt and assimilate advanced and alien tech))
Telepathy = Marvel (Omega Mutants and focus on other abilites)
Fighting Skills = Marvel
Versatility = Marvel
Reality Warping = Marvel (Omega Mutants and other powerhouses such as Sentry)
Excluding strength, DC has had relatively better showing in physical metrics and powers, but Marvel has had a wider power variety spread and focus.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
In general rather than getting broken down too far;
Magic = Marvel
Speed =Marvel
Strength = Marvel (Too many physical powerhouses with better consistency)
Energy Projection = Marvel
Durability = Marvel
Technology = Tough call here, but Marvel (Alien Empires, Wakanda, and the various tech Marvels heroes and the world have built to balance against other threats. Terrific, Brainiac and Cyborg are tremendous repos, but most of Marvel truly on earth gear and materials mostly in developing their gear (though they are quick to adapt and assimilate advanced and alien tech))
Telepathy = Marvel (Omega Mutants and focus on other abilites)
Fighting Skills = Marvel
Versatility = Marvel
Reality Warping = Marvel (Omega Mutants and other powerhouses such as Sentry)
Excluding strength, DC has had relatively better showing in physical metrics and powers, but Marvel has had a wider power variety spread and focus.

Originally posted by -Pr-

I like how marvel has better speed and strength.

who is superior in these catogeries

Magic-DC
Speed=DC
Strength=DC
Energy Projection-Marvel
Durability-DC
Technology-Marvel
Telepathy-Marvel
Fighting Skills-tossup
Versatility-DC
Reality Warping-Marvel





Code:- means the other side is close enough to make things interesting
=means outside of a few outlier like Hulk or an Eternal like Makari there's no measurable competition.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I like how marvel has better speed and strength.

Its a reason Hulk and Surfer exists

Originally posted by shadowknight
who is superior in these catogeries

Magic-DC
Speed=DC
Strength=DC
Energy Projection-Marvel
Durability-DC
Technology-Marvel
Telepathy-Marvel
Fighting Skills-tossup
Versatility-DC
Reality Warping-Marvel





Code:- means the other side is close enough to make things interesting
=means outside of a few outlier like Hulk or an Eternal like Makari there's no measurable competition.

Versatility is Marvel's bread and butter characters. Very humans born with powers, human who gain powers later on, to aliens and ect. Even racially Marvel has always been better at doing to from the black latino and other races. Even when it comes to women at Marvel they hold leadership roles from Carol Danvers, Storm, Wasp, Monica Rambeau, Jean Grey, Emma Frost, Rouge, Ms Marvel, Angela, and ect. Besides Wonder Woman at times only and sometimes Batgirl. Also there's Batwoman now but really she just had a few issues being a leader.

Magic: DC
Speed: DC
Strength: DC
Energy Projection: Marvel
Technology: Pick em
Telepathy: Marvel
Versatility: Marvel
Reality Warping: DC

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Its a reason Hulk and Surfer exists

Superman and Flash would like to contest that. Surfer isn't even as fast as a GL lol.





You don't get what versatility means, do you?

Originally posted by playa1258
Magic: DC
Speed: DC
Strength: DC
Energy Projection: Marvel
Technology: Pick em
Telepathy: Marvel
Versatility: Marvel
Reality Warping: DC
Why would energy projection go to marvel? GLs are the kings there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman and Flash would like to contest that. Surfer isn't even as fast as a GL lol.





You don't get what versatility means, do you?

You've been spanked repeatedly on that debate, don't make me do it again

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would energy projection go to marvel? GLs are the kings there.

Because of Power cosmic and various mutants? Obviously.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You've been spanked repeatedly on that debate, don't make me do it again



Troll gonna troll.





There's nothing power cosmic has done which GLs haven't. Vice versa isn't true.

Mutants? Metahumans are aplenty in DC too.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Troll gonna troll.





There's nothing power cosmic has done which GLs haven't. Vice versa isn't true.

Mutants? Metahumans are aplenty in DC too.

what do you define as "metahuman". Technically any powered person born human is a metahuman to me

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
what do you define as "metahuman". Technically any powered person born human is a metahuman to me
There's a metahuman gene in DC , genius.

Phil? Abhi? give me your takes on this

I'm watching Juventus and then UFC. After!

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
In general rather than getting broken down too far;
Magic = Marvel
Speed =Marvel
Strength = Marvel (Too many physical powerhouses with better consistency)
Energy Projection = Marvel
Durability = Marvel
Technology = Tough call here, but Marvel (Alien Empires, Wakanda, and the various tech Marvels heroes and the world have built to balance against other threats. Terrific, Brainiac and Cyborg are tremendous repos, but most of Marvel truly on earth gear and materials mostly in developing their gear (though they are quick to adapt and assimilate advanced and alien tech))
Telepathy = Marvel (Omega Mutants and focus on other abilites)
Fighting Skills = Marvel
Versatility = Marvel
Reality Warping = Marvel (Omega Mutants and other powerhouses such as Sentry)
Excluding strength, DC has had relatively better showing in physical metrics and powers, but Marvel has had a wider power variety spread and focus. Perfect. I agree with all.

Of course you do.

Originally posted by wxyz
Hulk in all.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Of course you do. It is a well known FACT that hulk is stronger than Superman as is other Marvel characters, if you DC fans were to stop lying about Superman being the strongest in DC, then maybe people can focus on the DC characters that are stronger than Superman without you Superman fans crying.

Originally posted by JBL
It is a well known FACT that hulk is stronger than Superman as is other Marvel characters, if you DC fans were to stop lying about Superman being the strongest in DC, then maybe people can focus on the DC characters that are stronger than Superman without you Superman fans crying.

Do you think Marvel is faster in speed?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Do you think Marvel is faster in speed? Overall yes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I like how marvel has better speed and strength. I like how one was a "tough call"

Originally posted by JBL
Overall yes.

And in the top? So the fastest in both companies goes head to head, you think Marvel is faster?

Originally posted by abhilegend


Troll gonna troll.





There's nothing power cosmic has done which GLs haven't. Vice versa isn't true.

Mutants? Metahumans are aplenty in DC too.

Really? Lets start

there's a lot more the PC can do that the ring can't, than vice versa. For example shrinking to subatomic size.
https://i.postimg.cc/06BRZbnm/hbn.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/c6YyM1ng/eyhse.jpg

It allows one to bring self others into the Quantum Field:
https://i.postimg.cc/xc2rsrvs/quans.jpg

The PC has also enabled him to perform universal feats of a molecular manipulation that extended to mind, body, and energy:
https://i.postimg.cc/0z70c3CC/ames.jpg

The PC allows him read the electrons and chemical totality caused by emotional states.
https://i.postimg.cc/WDgpDmTz/sfv.jpg

And allows him to discern one's abilities down to the energy mechanics.
https://i.postimg.cc/QV08WdGQ/alwk.jpg

We're talking about a universal wave that reshaped matter from entirely and impossibly varied states back their original impossibly varied shapes:
https://i.postimg.cc/mhvs9zpF/wehs.jpg

And it wasn't just their body, their minds were taken over. Whole planets across the universe.

https://i.postimg.cc/f3Rnsxy1/twhe.jpg

The affect of what he counteracted drained a planet's culture itself:
https://i.postimg.cc/R3F8y4bB/driej.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And in the top? So the fastest in both companies goes head to head, you think Marvel is faster? take all the speedsters from both companies and let them all race and it will be Marvel that wins the most races. So overall, Marvel wins in speed.

It could used stripped data and culture to reshape, amp, and empower individuals:

https://i.postimg.cc/Tp6sGrHQ/pwoe.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It could used stripped data and culture to reshape, amp, and empower individuals:

https://i.postimg.cc/Tp6sGrHQ/pwoe.jpg I love how you bring proof to back up your claims, you have also debunked multiple lies the DC side have created. The only proof they have comes from their mouths, not the comics. Your proof comes from comics, DC fans try and use group agreeing as proof. Love your work, I could not have done better myself.👍

Originally posted by JBL
I love how you bring proof to back up your claims, you have also debunked multiple lies the DC side have created. The only proof they have comes from their mouths, not the comics. Your proof comes from comics, DC fans try and use group agreeing as proof. Love your work, I could not have done better myself.👍

Its all gods work my guy 💪

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Its all gods work my guy 💪 👍

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman and Flash would like to contest that. Surfer isn't even as fast as a GL lol.





You don't get what versatility means, do you?

Apparently diversity.

Originally posted by MrMind
who is superior in these catogeries

Magic
Speed
Strength
Energy Projection
Durability
Technology
Telepathy
Fighting Skills
Versatility
Reality Warping

Magic - DC
Speed - DC
Strength - DC
Energy Projection - Toss up at this point, maybe Marvel
Durability - DC
Technology - Marvel
Telepathy - Marvel
Fighting Skills - Marvel
Versatility - Neither
Reality Warping - Neither

Socks, man. Plural.

He had a small army of them, lol.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Really? Lets start

there's a lot more the PC can do that the ring can't, than vice versa. For example shrinking to subatomic size.
https://i.postimg.cc/06BRZbnm/hbn.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/c6YyM1ng/eyhse.jpg

Heh, Hal did that just last week.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hal shrinks a golden destroyer, referred as universal destroyer to less than an atom.

https://i.postimg.cc/9RZR6sM4/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/ZvL9R364/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/G9PTq0VV/image.jpg



That was simply a dimension where Surfer travelled by going faster than light. Such a dimension doesn't exists in DC. Hal has almost entered the speed force which would be its rough equivalent.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The PC has also enabled him to perform universal feats of a molecular manipulation that extended to mind, body, and energy:
https://i.postimg.cc/0z70c3CC/ames.jpg

This was done by hacking illuminatrix and sending the reverse code.

Hal has actually created another universe in CPB if we are talking about such feats.



You say those but that's not what's happening in those scans.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
We're talking about a universal wave that reshaped matter from entirely and impossibly varied states back their original impossibly varied shapes:
https://i.postimg.cc/mhvs9zpF/wehs.jpg

And it wasn't just their body, their minds were taken over. Whole planets across the universe.

https://i.postimg.cc/f3Rnsxy1/twhe.jpg

The affect of what he counteracted drained a planet's culture itself:
https://i.postimg.cc/R3F8y4bB/driej.jpg
Cool. It was done by a machine.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hal creates a universe.


http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/17489023_GL_Willworld083.jpg http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/17489024_GL_Willworld084.jpg http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/17489025_GL_Willworld085.jpg http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/17489026_GL_Willworld086087.jpg

Just about every lantern has done it BTW.

http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/17489027_GL_Willworld093.jpg http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/17489028_GL_Willworld094095.jpg

Magic - DC
Speed - DC
Strength - DC
Energy Projection - Marvel
Durability - DC
Technology - DC
Telepathy - Marvel
Fighting Skills - DC
Versatility - DC
Reality Warping - DC

Originally posted by wxyz
Hulk in all.

Lmao Galan and I had that illuminatrix argument with Albert

Originally posted by JBL
take all the speedsters from both companies and let them all race and it will be Marvel that wins the most races. So overall, Marvel wins in speed.

Not what I asked

Top speedster from Marvel, top from DC. Who is faster?

Originally posted by abhilegend
This was done by hacking illuminatrix and sending the reverse code.

Hal has actually created another universe in CPB if we are talking about such feats.


You say those but that's not what's happening in those scans.

he did as I said. Hacking the Zenn La tech is not an amp. He created and broadcasted his counter code cnder his own power.


When yoiu can show a Lantern reconfiguring the physical, mental, and cultural makeup of an individual--especially considering its not just whomever is on the room with you and the homogeny of their biology, but myriad biologies of a conceptually infinite variety across the entire universe than we can talk about it being comparable to the Power Cosmic, until then, its not.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao Galan and I had that illuminatrix argument with Albert

yeah no In my scan it says he did it under his own power. It states *he* sent out the code not the machine like abhi retarded self claims., In the recap he says he did it under his own power. In the scan with Shalla it says he is the one that did it.

Shalla says he's the who purged it; not the machine. The recap says so as well.

"I am sending out a far stronger code". But the machine. But I did see Shalla referencing the tech. Still, he states he is using so under the PC.

https://i.postimg.cc/BL0Z6vb9/poew.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cool. It was done by a machine.

Lol... read your scans.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
he did as I said. Hacking the Zenn La tech is not an amp. He created and broadcasted his counter code cnder his own power.



Sure.




By hacking a machine and projecting the reverse code which he had been taught by a technician which destroyed the template which was being used to overwrite the original culture?

https://i.postimg.cc/Tp7PM6F9/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/LJJ8mWMM/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/BjRQbCqP/image.jpg

He didn't reconfigure shit, he just destroyed the original template and the cultures just returned after the template was destroyed.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Sure.




By hacking a machine and projecting the reverse code which he had been taught by a technician which destroyed the template which was being used to overwrite the original culture?

https://i.postimg.cc/Tp7PM6F9/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/LJJ8mWMM/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/BjRQbCqP/image.jpg

He didn't reconfigure shit, he just destroyed the original template and the cultures just returned after the template was destroyed.

None of that refuted anything I said

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
yeah no In my scan it says he did it under his own power. It states *he* sent out the code not the machine like abhi retarded self claims., In the recap he says he did it under his own power. In the scan with Shalla it says he is the one that did it.

Shalla says he's the who purged it; not the machine. The recap says so as well.

"I am sending out a far stronger code". But the machine. But I did see Shalla referencing the tech. Still, he states he is using so under the PC.

https://i.postimg.cc/BL0Z6vb9/poew.jpg

Surfer says he is the one doing it. In yours Shalla says he's the who purged it; not the machine. The recap says so as well. You're terrible at this

The PC has also allowed SS to create a fully functioning and powered body for machine intelligence.

https://i.postimg.cc/nC7VmW4B/eys.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/w7d8CjNR/tn2.jpg

And when that proved to be a mistake, it allowed SS to teleport and allow him to send out a discorporating energy..

https://i.postimg.cc/MX7rjbcX/carie.jpg

..that would eat him into nothingness no matter where he fled.
https://i.postimg.cc/3W8bm02B/def.jpg

The PC has also allowed SS to go back to before time in his universe existed. So we have time travel so potent, it allowed him to go to the universe before "ours".
https://i.postimg.cc/tZwZqxbj/cua.jpg

The PC was able to serve as the power source of a planet that till then required the heart of an Abstract to power it.
https://i.postimg.cc/302R3f9X/syeh.jpg

And that planet itself is stated to be larger than any five planets.
https://i.postimg.cc/bDk8nDb8/anyh.jpg

It'll always hurt your soul knowing that Lanterns will never match the PC

bump

Originally posted by MrMind
who is superior in these catogeries

Magic
Speed
Strength
Energy Projection
Durability
Technology
Telepathy
Fighting Skills
Versatility
Reality Warping

Magic - DC has just gone bonkers with magic over the last few years alone (Justice League Dark?) DC has always been superior in this category, IMO.
Speed: DC, no contest.
Strength: Pre-Crisis, DC, current, about the same I guess.
Energy Projection: DC has too many cosmics, abstracts. Green Lantern mythos alone can take this.
Technology/Intelligence: DC has a superior catalog of super geniuses, and their technology (Thanks to the Monitor/New Gods mythos) is also superior.
Telepaths: Tough one. DC has more high end telepaths, but Marvel showcases their telepaths more.
Fighting Skills: About the same.
Versatility: Same, I guess.
Reality Warping: DC, 5-D Imps, Doctor Manhattan, Tim Hunter, etc...

I'd give energy projection, tech/intelligence, tp, versatility, and fighting skills to marvel honestly

Originally posted by MrMind
I'd give energy projection, tech/intelligence, tp, versatility, and fighting skills to marvel honestly

How so? I already made a few threads about matching Marvel's geniuses with DC's. DC just has too many super geniuses, IMO. I mean the mid level geniuses like Vandal Savage was able to weaponize something like Hypertime. Brainiac able to make a machine that was able to manipulate every joul of energy in the universe, etc...

Fighting skills are about the same, but if you want to include the king of hth, that would be Karate Kid.

Don't see how versatility goes to any universe. Both universes have the same powersets, although DC has more haxxed beings than Marvel's.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
How so? I already made a few threads about matching Marvel's geniuses with DC's. DC just has too many super geniuses, IMO. I mean the mid level geniuses like Vandal Savage was able to weaponize something like Hypertime. Brainiac able to make a machine that was able to manipulate every joul of energy in the universe, etc...

Fighting skills are about the same, but if you want to include the king of hth, that would be Karate Kid.

Don't see how versatility goes to any universe. Both universes have the same powersets, although DC has more haxxed beings than Marvel's.

mainly because people like doom, reed, maker, pym etc have more impressive feats, b5 can compete but that's only 1 guy from a much more advanced future

fighting skills don't compare when you take into the fact street level and meta are dominated by marvel fighters

versatility goes to marvel because their space characters have more variety of skills and abilities

Originally posted by MrMind
mainly because people like doom, reed, maker, pym etc have more impressive feats, b5 can compete but that's only 1 guy from a much more advanced future

fighting skills don't compare when you take into the fact street level and meta are dominated by marvel fighters

versatility goes to marvel because their space characters have more variety of skills and abilities

Then you should really checkout my threads:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=547294&highlight=title%3A%28geniuses%29+forumid%3A77

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=648898&pagenumber=1

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=648981&highlight=title%3A%28geniuses%29+forumid%3A77

Wish I can find the hierarchy one, but it's probably been deleted. Luthor, Batman, Man Who Laughs, The Chief, Ray Palmer all can hang or are superior to many of Marvel's, IMO.

DC has tons of meta fighters too. Want to compare them? Give me a list and I'll cancel them out. I already matched many of them with past threads.

More variety? How so? Give me some examples.

Found it. Good post by Desaad:

Does anyone have the balls to put these guys in order? At least in genius/super genius lists. I'll give a list and if I left out anyone, please contribute. No high end cosmics.


I'm not going to go through all of these, because to be frank a lot of them are superfluous and don't deserve mention based on their feats or the paucity of their appearances.

In your first tier 'mortal' guys, you're going to have the cosmically smart. Here you'll have Brainiac 1, Brainiac 3 (Lyrl), Brainiac 5, Sardath, Alexander Luthor, and probably T.O. Morrow. You'd also have Superman 1 Million and Batman 1 Million, most likely, if you care to count them. Each of those has done something truly astounding.

Brainiac 3 just created a Solaris-Class stellar supercomputer, Pulsar Stargrave, by collapsing a pulsar. This makes it the most sophisticated super computer in the universe. He's a 12th level intelligence, which puts him on par with Brainiac 5. Now Brainiac 1 just, on the fly, created a device to contain/hold a rampaging Pulsar Stargrave (ie, contain Solaris). He's also demonstrated the ability to shrink cities down, his tech was co opted to create a planet out of nothing, and he easily destroyed a star/sun. Brainiac 5 has created a number of crazy devices, perhaps most impressive being the "Concentrator", which literally absorbs/utilizes/concentrates every joule of energy in the ENTIRE universe into whatever effect the user wants. It's...disturbing. He's got other feats as well, of force fields and coming up with cures for this and that, outsmarting vast artificial intelligences, etc.

Sardath has created the Zeta Beam, which allows instantaneous transportation across the universe. He also invented the Omega Beam, which allows the transfer of VAST amounts of matter into energy, so much so that it was threat to the universe -- had Starbreaker gotten his hands on it, he would have converted all matter in the universe to energy and absorbed it all. Even normal Zeta Beam tech can teleport planets, though, as demonstrated in a recent issue of REBELS.

Alexander Luthor really only just has the one feat, but it's kind of a doozy. He created a device to literally manipulate the multiverse, combining and separating universes at his whim. Insanity.

T.O. Morrow is probably the only normally earth guy who deserves a mention here. He apparently learned to 'unlock the hidden space between dimensions' when he was 14 (ie, dimensional creation), he's created time machines and vast super computers that alter reality via time manipulation. He also turns iPods into death rays and creates synthetic souls (Tomorrow Woman, Red Tornado).

Metron is almost a cut above, but since Alexander Luthor got mentioned, I'll give him a shout out. He's created Boom Tubes and the Worlogog and the Moebius Chair, he helped develop the Mother Box (with Himon), controls Hypertime, etc.


Next would come the really big science guys. I this grouping might be The Chief, Ray Palmer, Prof. Ivo, Will Magnus, Professor Nichols, and maybe Mr. Terrific.

The Chief has invented a time machine, replaced the JLA's abilities with tech approximations, brought Rita back from the dead with just a piece of her skull, created nanobots that could literally do anything, including create a being so powerful that he was throwing his victims through the fourth wall into 'our' reality. And it looks like he's going to discover away to alter his genes so that he becomes Kryptonian.

Ray Palmer cracked the Hourman virus when Superman 1 Million said that only a Solaris class stellar computer could do so, created a time machine, created boom tube like teleportation devices, co created a device that made the user's wish come true, figured out how to neutralize a universe destroying cosmic phenomenon that hadn't ever been discovered, has been described as having a mind like the world's largest harddrive, and created the greatest shrinking technology in comics (in terms of power, range and versatility).

Prof. Ivo created Amazo and Tomorrow Woman, two of the physical most potent androids in comics, especially Amazo. He created a serum that made him immortal, he's created countless powerful androids.

Will Magnus has created a device that creates portals between dimensions/universes, the responsometers of the Metal Men which basically means he created souls out of code, flying cars controled and powered by his thoughts, etc.

Professor Nichols created a time machine and a "Maybe Machine" that predicts the future based up suppositions/questions one asks it, a sort of "What if.."

I wouldn't have put Mr. Terrific on here but for the fact that lately Robinson has been giving him a bit of a push, as he was able to create a device that destroyed all the Black Lanterns in a tri state area -- the only tech feat I know of to have accomplished such a thing -- and he's currently working on a way to defeat the Starheart. He also figured out how to travel through time, and his T-spheres are crazy advanced.

Next level down might be the more 'normal' geniuses, and this one covers a wider range IMHO. At the top of this level, maybe even pushing up into the higher level, you've got Steel and Lex Luthor, and then more in the middle you've got Batman and Gizmo. Steel is the engineer of the group, retrofitting time machines (though not building them from scratch, which is a strike against) and building all kinds of crazy powerful suits and nanotech and what not.

Lex Luthor vacillates (Post-Crisis) between being a business man and being a genius. Many of his greatest 'works' have been attributed to his staff. Lately he's made a bit of a comeback as an evil genius, having combined time pool technology with kryptonian weaponry to change the sun to red and various things like that, but he's not a straight up scientist guy anymore, and I doubt he will be shown to be in the upcoming Action run with Paul Cornell. If you take Pre-Crisis into account you're talking about putting him up at the cosmic level as he's making time machines out of orange juice boxes and tin foil.

RIP is a specialist in time, and pretty much only makes time technology. He's good at what he does, but it's limited inherently, and doesn't deserve to be listed along with all the polymaths above.

Anarky is a tough one to gauge as he didn't have a huge number of appearances, but from what little saw -- the way he was able to calculate the coming of the great threat to reality and figure out a way to defeat it, creating a Boom Tube home-made, finding ways to alter the minds of everyone in Gotham...he's probably in "big science" level, albeit at the lower level.

Calc and Oracle are great hackers/computer people, but aren't polymaths on the level of any of the above. They are about equal, with an edge to Oracle.

Sivanna doesn't have very many appearances. I think writers generally think of him on the Big Science level, but from what he's actually done I'd put him at the very low end of that level or about on par with Lex Luthor. He's created dimensional travel, suspendium (frozen time particles), and weapons that have lifted entire cities and badly hurt kryptonian level foes.

And one thing to note -- Hiro, the asian Toyman, got revealed to be a robot all along during Johns' Action Comics run. He's just an artificial intelligence created by Schlott (who probably deserves a mention...he only really makes robots, but they are so sophisticated that no one on the planet can apparently tell that they are robots, including Superman and Batman).

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=536839&pagenumber=2

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Pretty much unchanged

DC wins in terms of Strength, Speed, Durability, Magic
Marvel wins in terms of Energy projection, Technology, Telepathy

The only uncertainity here is Fighting Skills, since now DC gets all the showings of every era

Versatility still is a toss-up

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Pretty much unchanged

DC wins in terms of Strength, Speed, Durability, Magic
Marvel wins in terms of Energy projection, Technology, Telepathy

The only uncertainity here is Fighting Skills, since now DC gets all the showings of every era

Versatility still is a toss-up why is marvel better at tech?

What really compares to

1. Monitor tech
2. Green lantern
3. Miracle machine
4. 4th world tech
5. 5D imps use tech but to 3d beings it feels like magic
6. Anti monitor/monitor


Not getting into other tech civilizations

Originally posted by xJLxKing
why is marvel better at tech?

What really compares to

1. Monitor tech
2. Green lantern
3. Miracle machine
4. 4th world tech
5. 5D imps use tech but to 3d beings it feels like magic
6. Anti monitor/monitor


Not getting into other tech civilizations
I thought tech only for trans tier and below? Only reality warping and magic were judged to abstract tier

Technically the use of magic is energy. DC uses both cosmic and magic just as much if not more so than marvel.

As long as marvel has Hulk, Gladiator, Sentry and Hyperion, Strength goes to marvel.

jbl, i can open up a thread comparing strength feats alone, you will shit your pants

wonder woman just recently pulled the sun with her lasso

Originally posted by MrMind
jbl, i can open up a thread comparing strength feats alone, you will shit your pants

wonder woman just recently pulled the sun with her lasso So. Hyperion held back two universes.

Miss Alberto owning people. KMC needed him.

Originally posted by JBL
So. Hyperion held back two universes.

Ultraman lifted infinity

are you really ready to do this?

Originally posted by MrMind
Ultraman lifted infinity

are you really ready to do this? That's a flat out lie.lmao

Originally posted by carver9
Miss Alberto owning people. KMC needed him. I know that's right.

Originally posted by MrMind
Ultraman lifted infinity

are you really ready to do this?

Hulk shook infinite dimensions and no ABHI, it's not just one door in the dimension, it's infinite of Doors.

Superman can literally solo the MU.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Superman can literally solo the MU. True. KMC superman is the best.👍

Originally posted by Senor Cage



Will Magnus has created a device that creates portals between dimensions/universes, the responsometers of the Metal Men which basically means he created souls out of code, flying cars controled and powered by his thoughts, etc.



Only thing I found wrong in your post. They just mimicked real life, no souls

Originally posted by JBL
That's a flat out lie.lmao

infinitely truer than hyperion holding back 2 universes

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Pretty much unchanged

DC wins in terms of Strength, Speed, Durability, Magic
Marvel wins in terms of Energy projection, Technology, Telepathy

The only uncertainity here is Fighting Skills, since now DC gets all the showings of every era

Versatility still is a toss-up How is Versatility a toss up when you have like 7200 Gls plus other Lantern corps as well. No one is as versatile as a GL minus Abstracts.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
How is Versatility a toss up when you have like 7200 Gls plus other Lantern corps as well. No one is as versatile as a GL minus Abstracts.

surfer is

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