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-Odin has Gungnir and is at peak
-Mephisto retains power from Hell
-Galactus is fed off of 1 Planet or 2
-Darkseid is an avatar, but a top one
-Highfather has the same rules^
-DC team has feats Pre-Crisis to Rebirth
-Both team Marvel and DC will have perfect teamwork
-Win is death or KO
-No BFR
-Fight takes place on an indestructible planet
-No CIS/PIS

Mordru solos

Hmm
Does not using Pre-Crisis make a big difference?

Mephisto is overrated.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Hmm
Does not using Pre-Crisis make a big difference?

Mordru throws away power to split the universe in half like loose change

he literally manipulates comic panels by splitting open comic pages

"Mephisto is overrated."
How come? He should fit in Skyfather tiers, as he's been able to take on Galactus, has statements for being equal to Odin, is considered the strongest Hell-Lord, has casual teambusting feats, can manipulate entire timelines, etc. If it was out of realm, I'd probably agree, but not in realm.

"Mordru throws away power to split the universe in half like loose change

he literally manipulates comic panels by splitting open comic pages"
Scans? Also, the first is just Multi-Galaxy. The second isn't really quantifiable.

Team 2, quite comfortably.

I'd lean to them too, but I don't think it's too bad. If it is, is there are a character or rule I should remove?

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
I'd lean to them too, but I don't think it's too bad. If it is, is there are a character or rule I should remove?
Mordru is too powerful for team 1 alone.

Alright, I guess I'll take out Mordru from this point forward. Are there any feats I'm missing out on, because I normally see him in the Multi-Galaxy range?

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Alright, I guess I'll take out Mordru from this point forward. Are there any feats I'm missing out on, because I normally see him in the Multi-Galaxy range?
Originally posted by Galan007
JLD/Mordru:
https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/41153537_Justice_League_Dark_2018-_011-003.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/41153539_Justice_League_Dark_2018-_011-004.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/41153540_Justice_League_Dark_2018-_011-011.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/41153541_Justice_League_Dark_2018-_011-012.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/41153542_Justice_League_Dark_2018-_011-013.jpg

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/41153543_Justice_League_Dark_2018-_011-014.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/41153544_Justice_League_Dark_2018-_011-015.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/41153545_Justice_League_Dark_2018-_011-016.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/41153546_Justice_League_Dark_2018-_011-017.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/41153548_Justice_League_Dark_2018-_011-018.jpg

And this
Originally posted by abhilegend
https://i.postimg.cc/R6Ybfkt6/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/r0R96Kds/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/wtGkbhjn/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/BjJN8Sz7/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/KRPJvk0g/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/w78wpcQp/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/yWSLtr9j/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/nscdWFY9/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/HjJNHLGQ/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/3dFFHMwX/image.jpg

So Lords of Order are the beings who have made all rules of magic (fifty beings are capable of ending entire reality with magic), yet Zatanna breaks all rule of magic with Mordru's power and then Diana fixed all of reality and all the destroyed dimensions by it.

Holy shit. Mordru is insanely powerful.

I assume you posted the first set of scans for the "Rip the Universe in half" scan?
https://s7d8.turboimg.net/sp/b62590f3f369a9ddb751f0b68fe142d8/Justice_League_Dark_2018-_011-016.jpg
If so... that's just Multi-Galaxy.

"So Lords of Order are the beings who have made all rules of magic (fifty beings are capable of ending entire reality with magic), yet Zatanna breaks all rule of magic with Mordru's power and then Diana fixed all of reality and all the destroyed dimensions by it."
Eh, realities and dimensions don't automatically mean Universes. Otherwise Asgard and the other realms of Yggdrasil would be Universal, which isn't true.

Anyways, in Action Comics #370, he's treated at Multi-Galaxy Level:
https://i0.wp.com/timetravelnexus.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/AdventureComics370_p23.jpg
A battle of his broke through Universes:
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11/111336/3857833-5544045303-Mordr.jpg
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/12/125547/3414012-untitled-scanned-14.jpg

Next, we know that he once lost to a weakened Darkseid and has his power absorbed:
https://imgur.com/a/G9khxg1
This, along with absorbing many other things, still left Darkseid weakened:
https://imgur.com/a/KailrMb

So, as far as I'm concerned, Multi-Galaxy still stands.

How is "Rip the Universe in half" only concerned to be multi-galaxy level ? And Mordru treats this kind of like loose change
And like you said, he WAS treated at Multi-Galaxy Level in Action Comics #370, A comic that decades ago.

I'd say half a Universe is Multi-Galactic, but the feat isn't even that. If you rip a piece of paper in half, that's not half the paper being destroyed.

The first post clarifies that it's Pre-Crisis to Rebirth.

Destroy definition
"to reduce (an object) to useless fragments, a useless form, or remains, as by rending, burning, or dissolving; injure beyond repair or renewal; demolish; ruin; annihilate."
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/destroy
So yeah, I would say rip the universe in half could be said as destroy it. Bear in mind that the universe isnt a simple paper, Rip it in half isnt same as rip a paper.
Pre-Crisis to Rebirth, And in rebirth he got the insane feats that I posted above

He blatantly says he'll rip it in half. If was going to destroy it, he would've said that. If we want to go by what he "actually means" or whatever, I could argue this as merely bringing the Universe into chaos. And if you want to say "rip" isn't literal, it would still mean only to damage and not outright destroy.

"Pre-Crisis to Rebirth, And in rebirth he got the insane feats that I posted above"
You mean the Multi-Galaxy one and the unquantifiable one?

I don't know you're trolling or just can't grasp the simple idea. You don't need the exact same words to describe same concept.
Ripping the universe in half=tearing apart the universe. What will happen if the universe gets torn apart? It will be destroyed by definition
The comics stated it could rip the universe in half on panel, Bringing the Universe into chaos is your headcanon.
And we also clearly saw Zatanna breaking all rule of magic( Which could end the entire reality) with Mordru's power

"I don't know you're trolling"
Maybe I am, maybe I'm not

"The comics actually stated it could rip the universe in half, Bringing the Universe into chaos is your headcanon."
Funny considering you said:
"Ripping the universe in half=tearing apart the universe. What will happen if the universe gets torn apart? It will be destroyed by definition"

Also, please read my messages completely. Let's look into what I said:
"If we want to go by what he "actually means" or whatever, I could argue this as merely bringing the Universe into chaos."
So... what I'm saying here is a counter to you saying "rip doesn't mean that", I could argue that it means something even less.

Making tears in the Universe isn't Universal. It's just partially Universal.

"Which could end the entire reality"
How is this presented? Meaning as the Universe or just a random reality? Overtime, collateral, one-shot, etc.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan

"The comics actually stated it could rip the universe in half, Bringing the Universe into chaos is your headcanon."
Funny considering you said:
"Ripping the universe in half=tearing apart the universe. What will happen if the universe gets torn apart? It will be destroyed by definition"

I don't think this is ironic or contradicting my point. comprehension and conjecture aren't the same thing. Like I said before

So based on the words that rip the universe in half. We take its face value. And we could get a conclusion "rip the universe in half"="destroy the universe" by definition
Originally posted by GenghisJuan

How is this presented? Meaning as the Universe or just a random reality? Overtime, collateral, one-shot, etc.

Again, If the comics didn't specifically mention it or have some extra context. Then we take whatever the comics said.

"I don't think this is ironic or contradicting my point. comprehension and conjecture aren't the same thing. Like I said before"
You're saying ripping in half = destroying. Really, it's incredibly vague and could mean damaging, bringing it into chaos, etc.

"We take its face value."
At face value, it's ripping the Universe in half, as in breaking it into 2.

"Again, If the comics didn't specifically mention it or have some extra context. Then we take whatever the comics said."
I mean basic phrasing. Could you send the specific scan again?

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
"I don't think this is ironic or contradicting my point. comprehension and conjecture aren't the same thing. Like I said before"
You're saying ripping in half = destroying. Really, it's incredibly vague and could mean damaging, bringing it into chaos, etc.

"We take its face value."
At face value, it's ripping the Universe in half, as in breaking it into 2.
Not very vague imo. Considering he gave Zatanna the powers that could defeat Lords of Order who are the beings who have made all rules of magic (fifty beings are capable of ending entire reality with magic).
And the comic stated the powers could rip the universe in half. So it makes sense those powers could destroy the universe.
Also by definition, If you rip the universe in half, It could be referred as destroy the universe since the universe gets reduced to useless form/cease existence. Like if you rip earth in half, Then you certainly destroy it by definition
Originally posted by GenghisJuan
I mean basic phrasing. Could you send the specific scan again?
https://postimg.cc/nscdWFY9

"Also by definition, If you rip the universe in half, It could be referred as destroy the universe since the universe gets reduced to useless form/cease existence. Like if you rip earth in half, Then you certainly destroy it by definition"
If you want to say it will destroy it by a technically, then as a power feat, it's not really on that level. Aside from that, I think I'm pretty much ready to agree to disagree.

Thanks for the scan. It looks like a legitimate Universal to Multiversal feat that Mordru scales off of. Although, even someone like Galactus has showings where he takes on characters that can end all Universes (The Mighty Thor Annual), but I wouldn't say it's very consistent. Mordru is still certainly a powerhouse though.

No problem bro
Have different understandings is common in readers like us.We're all just comic book fans here

Yep. Thanks for the debate

Anyways, if Darkseid and by extension Highfather scale to some of these feats, it seems that it seems more DC favored than I thought it would be. Wouldn't say it's a complete wash though.

Darkseid solos

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid solos

Mordru solos as far as i know

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid solos