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Shadow King
Sentry
Cassandra Nova
Professor Xavier
Phoenix
Martian Manhunter
Odin
Loki

etc

Has he shown the resistance on the level to defend against these high tiers individually on an average

https://i.postimg.cc/njFkn9ww/3013316-5914808335-29786.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/YG0WX6Pk/Professor-X-by-JJusko.jpg

How powerful of a telepath is Max Lord?

Can and has it worked? Yes, and on several occasions.

Is it a surefire thing? No. He also has several examples of high-end resistance.

That said, I don't think it's beyond reason to see a lot of these guys giving Superman problems with their telepathy.

Originally posted by tkitna
How powerful of a telepath is Max Lord?

He worked in subtle ways and needed a shitload of time.

Raw psionic power is not Max's thing.

Superman consoles with high level magic users in order to put mental blocks to protect him from telepaths or possessions.

Originally posted by tkitna
How powerful of a telepath is Max Lord?

Abstract level

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/91/70/1c/91701c9537ea787f0c92979eb5645518.jpg

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He worked in subtle ways and needed a shitload of time.

Raw psionic power is not Max's thing.

He's affected the entirety of DC Earth without prep time before ,fyi.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Can and has it worked? Yes, and on several occasions.

Is it a surefire thing? No. He also has several examples of high-end resistance.

That said, I don't think it's beyond reason to see a lot of these guys giving Superman problems with their telepathy.

I mean he's shown a degree of resistance, but it's hard to say if that would stand against premier skilled Omega telepaths Marvel has in its arsenal.

Peanut-sized brains uhuh

Superman has something of a decent record against DC's elite telepaths for the most part, but it's resistance, not immunity.

In Marvel, having strong willpower serves as a first-line defense against forceful telepathic assaults like being dominated, possessed, etc.

But subtle approaches and things that directly manipulate sensations aren't really things that willpower will defend against, especially approaches that also incorporate psychological manipulation into the psychic attack.

I'm assuming willpower is a major factor for DC telepathy as well, but most if not all of the telepaths on this list are all skilled enough to easily employ subtle and finesse-based techniques to manipulate their target, even those with strong willpower like Superman.

Trying to use telepathy against Superman possesses great risks. Once, a group of powerful telepaths combined their forces in an attempt to breach his mind. The consequences were twofold.

Firstly, the attempts to use telepathy against Superman proved so hard that the telepaths quickly became exhausted, mentally and physically. Soon they were on the brink of death. Secondly, Superman's mind-scape (or whatever glimpses they got of it) proved so good, noble and hopeful, that the telepaths became addicted to it. They could no longer stop themselves, but kept pushing against Superman's mental defenses until they died of exhaustion.

Originally posted by Glorificus
In Marvel, having strong willpower serves as a first-line defense against forceful telepathic assaults like being dominated, possessed, etc.

But subtle approaches and things that directly manipulate sensations aren't really things that willpower will defend against, especially approaches that also incorporate psychological manipulation into the psychic attack.

I'm assuming willpower is a major factor for DC telepathy as well, but most if not all of the telepaths on this list are all skilled enough to easily employ subtle and finesse-based techniques to manipulate their target, even those with strong willpower like Superman.

Willpower in itself is and never was a defense against TP. A character has to have innate resistance already. Willpower can increase that resistance ONLY if the tp is weak enough (or their natural resistance is strong enough) to give them the chance to add willpower to ghe resistance.

For example, Professor X once made the avengers, etc go to sleep. Willpower didn't play a role. It was bypassed altogether.

Pr said it best. Superman has high level resistance but he is not immune to TP.

Originally posted by h1a8
Willpower in itself is and never was a defense against TP.


This is false

Originally posted by h1a8
Willpower in itself is and never was a defense against TP. A character has to have innate resistance already. Willpower can increase that resistance ONLY if the tp is weak enough (or their natural resistance is strong enough) to give them the chance to add willpower to ghe resistance.

For example, Professor X once made the avengers, etc go to sleep. Willpower didn't play a role. It was bypassed altogether.

Doom and Cap say hi.

Anyway, even Max couldn't make him kill.

https://i.imgur.com/Y1oio8F.jpg

Same Max could affect DC Earth without prep ("letting" them remember):

https://i.postimg.cc/Qty9XsDD/RCO032-1462164976-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/kXt8gVDp/RCO033-1462164976-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/SQPC4LQ9/RCO034-1462164976.jpg
Well, I guess it is debateable if it was the same Max. After he got resurrected by the White Lanterns, he seemed more powerful.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Anyway, even Max couldn't make him kill.

https://i.imgur.com/Y1oio8F.jpg

Same Max could affect DC Earth without prep ("letting" them remember):

https://i.postimg.cc/Qty9XsDD/RCO032-1462164976-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/kXt8gVDp/RCO033-1462164976-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/SQPC4LQ9/RCO034-1462164976.jpg
Well, I guess it is debateable if it was the same Max. After he got resurrected by the White Lanterns, he seemed more powerful.

I mean he has more instances of being controlled than he does all out resistance

It's inconsistent, but Maxwell Lord is everything but subtle.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I mean he has more instances of being controlled than he does all out resistance

Even if you wanted to make that argument, most of the times Superman is controlled or influenced, it's only partial. It's rarely complete control.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doom and Cap say hi.

Doom has superpowers. Cap doesn't (well a little). Would love to see Cap resist Tp. Any scans or issue numbers?

Cap resisted Quentin Quiere's tp an omega level telepath. He completely blocked him out, he only saw a gigantic shield. Iirc it was in Avengers vs X-Men

Originally posted by h1a8
Doom has superpowers. Cap doesn't (well a little). Would love to see Cap resist Tp. Any scans or issue numbers?

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/3in3xe/respect_captain_america_earth_616/

There you go.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/3in3xe/respect_captain_america_earth_616/

There you go.
I was referring to being controlled by telepaths, not seeing illusions or being trapped in someone's mind. Cap couldn't stop from seeing illusions when they were projected on him.

Cap does not fall for the illusions for long through smarts (he realizes it's a trick).

It was love (not will) that overpowered Hatemonger power. If Cap didn't have much love then he would have fell victim.

So those arent good examples. I'm referring to times a character is being controlled (like a puppet). Not times a character realizes that they are witnessing illusions.

But they break through the illusions with willpower.

The illusions are created by.... TP.

Ergo....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But they break through the illusions with willpower.

The illusions are created by.... TP.

Ergo....

You missed this
Originally posted by h1a8


Cap does not fall for the illusions for long through smarts (he realizes it's a trick).



smarts, not will

Every single time?

To defeat an illusion you must first know its an illusion, which usually takes smarts.

But lets say that you are correct. My point wasnt about illusions, it was about being controlled (like professor X making someone go to sleep).

Maybe i didn't explain myself properly. My fault.