Blade vs Batman

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Damborgson
Standard gear, fight is at midnight in the NYC.

Who wins ?

leonidas
batman has too many feats against guys like this to say this is close. is blade faster? maybe. stronger? almost for sure. but bats' skills and gear mean he'll win this 10/10 imo. it's like i said earlier, if it happens often enough, it really can't be pis anymore--it just defines the character. you'd need someone at this level with a lot more feats to take bats down. least imo.

MrMind
Blade

he was hella competent back in the day, fought dracula back in the 70s

StiltmanFTW
So you're saying he was better without his powers...? shifty

leonidas
laughing out loud

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by leonidas
batman has too many feats against guys like this to say this is close. is blade faster? maybe. stronger? almost for sure. but bats' skills and gear mean he'll win this 10/10 imo. it's like i said earlier, if it happens often enough, it really can't be pis anymore--it just defines the character. you'd need someone at this level with a lot more feats to take bats down. least imo.

Last I checked Blade had Boy Thing that became his standard gear.
Bruce isn't winning this even if it was just hand to hand

leonidas
pretty sure this would have been intended to be one on one and like i said, blade just doesn't have the feats imo to take him down.

AlbertoJohnAvil
You're kidding right? blade has more skill, is faster and is stronger. not to mention He stabbed the intangible silver surfer with Boy Thing Blade:

https://i.postimg.cc/XBMj5QWc/rues.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/t7PCbQdr/arhse.jpg

a peak human doesn't stand a chance against Blade.

leonidas
peak humans shouldn't have a chance against a lot of different characters..... comics show differently with great regularity. do we need to see the superhuman feats batman has performed?

Sin I AM
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You're kidding right? blade has more skill, is faster and is stronger. not to mention He stabbed the intangible silver surfer with Boy Thing Blade:

https://i.postimg.cc/XBMj5QWc/rues.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/t7PCbQdr/arhse.jpg

a peak human doesn't stand a chance against Blade.

More of a feat for BT than Blade

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by leonidas
peak humans shouldn't have a chance against a lot of different characters..... comics show differently with great regularity. do we need to see the superhuman feats batman has performed?

ffs Bruce struggled with joker and many others including Slade. but BLADE putting him down is "questionable"

DarkSaint85
Batman wins this, handily.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman wins this, handily.

Obscure low metas are actually Bruce's only weakness vin

DarkSaint85
DC preteen boys aren't low metas.

Bentley
Anyone who gives this fight to Batman is racist

DarkSaint85
Good

leonidas
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
ffs Bruce struggled with joker and many others including Slade. but BLADE putting him down is "questionable"

slade is peak human...? confused regardless, bats has thrashed him at times. funny you bring up joker, but forget the countless superhumans he has battled and beaten.

you seem to be hung up on the peak human thing. why let a designation that is repeatedly shown to be false worry you? wish i could remember which thread the cap vs bats feats challenge i took on was in. bats has plenty of feats (shouldn't need to be said) that no peak human could perform. denial of that fact is pretty pointless. and the thread isn't questionable imo. bats would win this every time.

leonidas
Originally posted by Bentley
Anyone who gives this fight to Batman is racist

only thing i'm racist against is ze french. thumb up

MrMind
afro blade is unstoppable

https://i.ibb.co/ZHBsHMx/Mu2ks-PWBc-F0-SGCx-EXM-j5r-9-Srnr81c-p-Zc2py-Dd-Mz-Kgc-HLuod-Frf6gwb4-GNqu-B-i-RB1-M7-Fd-Oc-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/8rFfwgX/0-Kd-Vfrzri19mwqz-EJnb-Zozb-IEh-LFsg-RYo-MEg-XJPk-ZGAo-Wc0-Ees-x-IKZ4-DD4gaf-XYc-DIo-MAN5-Y7-H-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/fDJZxjk/1k-Pxi-Md-KDWU3iw-NK9-YYf-E4-Ir-BNsc4b-Z-dip6g1jt6-Tq-YPHu-TCrevm-Zd7-J-6-PY2-NTzg-Vmd-Eg-Bk-W8-W-s1.jpg

BruceSkywalker
bruce wins.. kmc explodes

Trackz
Originally posted by Sin I AM
More of a feat for BT than Blade

boy-thing is a part of his standard gear since the Avengers. With that he's fought Silver Surfer and Gladiator. Give Batman prep and he could figure something out, but random fight, Blade is winning.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Trackz
boy-thing is a part of his standard gear since the Avengers. With that he's fought Silver Surfer and Gladiator. Give Batman prep and he could figure something out, but random fight, Blade is winning.

Batman turns all magic off.

Stoic
Batman could win, but he'd be in flight mode (As in fight or flight). Blade is faster, stronger and a competant combatant, which in a real fight would give him the edge needed to mitigate Batman's superior combat knowledge. It would likely be a close fight, but as I mentioned, Blade's physical stats are superhuman, while Batman's are peak human. I think that there is a possibility that this fight could resemble the Batman vs Zealot fight of several years past.

DarkSaint85
Stoic, you really need to let go of the notion Bats is just peak human. His feats are so numerous, even in the last few years to push him past the human tier.

Senor Cage
Originally posted by Stoic
Batman could win, but he'd be in flight mode (As in fight or flight). Blade is faster, stronger and a competant combatant, which in a real fight would give him the edge needed to mitigate Batman's superior combat knowledge. It would likely be a close fight, but as I mentioned, Blade's physical stats are superhuman, while Batman's are peak human. I think that there is a possibility that this fight could resemble the Batman vs Zealot fight of several years past.

Batman is listed as a meta now

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Batman is listed as a meta now

Not really, no:

"Not to speak for Suicide Squad," Snyder tweeted, but Batman is not meta. He gets powers for stories (like 'Darkseid War'), but he's never been meta in nature... he is meta in his awesomeness, but that's a different matter."

https://twitter.com/Ssnyder1835/status/890932525010472960



UPDATE: Suicide Squad writer Rob Williams has weighed in on the topic as well, stating via Twitter, "People reading too much into this. Waller/The People's goal in the current storyline is to lock away all superhumans, Batman included... Whether Batman has powers or not doesn't matter to her/them. Given his actions and how he runs with the Justice League, he's a target."

https://twitter.com/Robwilliams71/status/890942784118640640



Full article:

https://www.cbr.com/scott-snyder-batman-not-metahuman/

StiltmanFTW
Golgo, you're fired.

leonidas
i don't think anyone is arguing his intended nature--it just flies directly in the face of his umpteen thousand superhuman feats.... /shrug

Stoic
But he is human, a peak human that PIS will not erase. He has no physical augmentations, no super speed, superhuman strength, or super durability. Drop him 400 feet with no grappling hook, cape or anything to slow his fall, and he'd be a bloodstain on the asphalt pavement. He isn't a low meta, he's a peak human with toys. His toys and combat ability are really the only reasons that he could walk among guys well above his weight class.

There was a thread that lasted for hundreds of posts that pitted Batman against Spiderman. People wanted to ignore the speed advantage, durability advantage, strength advantage, agility advantage and every other advantage that Spiderman held over Batman because well, he's Batman.

Peak comic book human is what he is. It isn't a bad thing, it's simply what he is. When he picks up a bus and tosses it across the street, he will then become a meta human.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Bruce is a regular peak human in a suit. His suit is armored and he's a top tier h2h fighter with soft spot and pressure point knowledge and awareness. At some point since beyond seems to be a very possible future he'll probably permanently add Physical enhancement to his suit.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by leonidas
i don't think anyone is arguing his intended nature--it just flies directly in the face of his umpteen thousand superhuman feats.... /shrug

Sadly, that Suicide Squad panel is still being used on KMC as "evidence".

That's what Golgo meant, too.

You left us, so you missed it how every dc boy here wanked to that stupid one-panel statement made by 200kg Amanda Gecko Waller.

leonidas
lol yeah, i def missed that. but feats determine nature, at least around here, not a handbook or wishful thinking.

DarkSaint85
Yeah, I mean that kinda logic is like using handbooks and bios to argue rather than actual feats.

But to Stoic:. Here he is recently, no armour, no toys, and a multi storey fall:

https://m.imgur.com/a/X9plB

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by leonidas
lol yeah, i def missed that. but feats determine nature, at least around here, not a handbook or wishful thinking.

They sure do.


But we also understand how Spider-Man is weaker than Ares, even though Parker has better strength feats.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, I mean that kinda logic is like using handbooks and bios to argue rather than actual feats.

But to Stoic:. Here he is recently, no armour, no toys, and a multi storey fall:

https://m.imgur.com/a/X9plB

they show him not actually falling right there in the scan. The blades put him in the hospital

cdtm
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, I mean that kinda logic is like using handbooks and bios to argue rather than actual feats.

But to Stoic:. Here he is recently, no armour, no toys, and a multi storey fall:

https://m.imgur.com/a/X9plB


Tell that to everyone who insists Val Armorr couldn't fight his way against any street level, despite regularly sparring on even grounds with Superman class opponents.

leonidas

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
they show him not actually falling right there in the scan. The blades put him in the hospital

He's falling.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's falling.

yeah but he didn't hit the ground. He caught on to the gargoyle.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
yeah but he didn't hit the ground. He caught on to the gargoyle.

Well...never said he did.

The gargoyle he caught was halfway up the building. So halve the height of that skyscraper, and that's the speed he was at when he caught it (after being stabbed and kicked out some pretty tough glass).

All without his armour, which was my main point.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well...never said he did.

The gargoyle he caught was halfway up the building. So halve the height of that skyscraper, and that's the speed he was at when he caught it (after being stabbed and kicked out some pretty tough glass).

All without his armour, which was my main point.

they have explained those aspects about Batman too like his pain tolerance and knowing how to roll a fall like he's clearly doing in the panels. Yeah it's bullshit but it's fiction there has to be some level of bullshit involved.

DarkSaint85
Yeah, most of Batman IS actually BS, and I'm not being sarcastic or whatever, am actually agreeing with you

Trackz
which is why if everything were even, it'd definitely be a solid fight, but with Blade's standard gear right now it's not.

DarkSaint85
But its not.

Batman is consistently above humans.

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But its not.

Batman is consistently above humans. again, being above humans isn't that standard. Blade in the past few years has tanked hits from Mjolnir, he's fought Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Ghost Rider Thor, and Cosmic Ghost Rider and held his own more or less. The upgrades he's gotten in equipment from the Avengers have him regularly fighting herald level beings.

As it stands, Batman doesn't have a single thing in his belt that can hurt Blade significantly, meanwhile Blade, either with his standard adamantium sword or his boy-thing Blades, can very easily kill Batman. All things being equal, if we didn't consider the past few years it'd be even and Batman's feats could arguably put him above, but without prep this is no contest.

Trackz
https://i.imgur.com/y9Rr3nd.png

after tanking a mjolnir hit to the chest by ghost rider thor and actively healing as the hammer was trying to burn into his chest

https://i.imgur.com/fjIP6EB.png

https://i.imgur.com/bsdKNLi.png

The damage he can do to Cosmic Ghost Rider with his breathing gun (Cosmic Ghost Rider had just beat down the rest of the Avengers)

https://i.imgur.com/8yj1tk7.png

putting down Ghost Rider (who had just been fighting Thor and Captain Marvel)

https://i.imgur.com/bf3sbui.png

vs. Silver Surfer

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERr90UXUUAA1YL6?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERr90UXU4AEB5di?format=jpg&name=large

This doesn't include strikeforce, where he casually killed Daimon Hellstrom, a demon clone of Wiccan, and had Angela backdown from him.

He's really on another level right now.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Trackz
again, being above humans isn't that standard. Blade in the past few years has tanked hits from Mjolnir, he's fought Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Ghost Rider Thor, and Cosmic Ghost Rider and held his own more or less. The upgrades he's gotten in equipment from the Avengers have him regularly fighting herald level beings.

As it stands, Batman doesn't have a single thing in his belt that can hurt Blade significantly, meanwhile Blade, either with his standard adamantium sword or his boy-thing Blades, can very easily kill Batman. All things being equal, if we didn't consider the past few years it'd be even and Batman's feats could arguably put him above, but without prep this is no contest.

And Batman has fought WW not once, but twice (both times she was bloodlusted) with no prep. She is stronger and faster than Blade (AND had her sword).

He has fought Zoom, who is far faster than Blade, and was tagging him.

Beaten Grundy SEVERAL times. Was straight up tanking explosions that were sending Superman/WW et al flying. Was fighting Damage (the guy who was stalemating Superman).

And you say he has nothing...

https://imgur.com/a/0pfN0

His grappling line has a 15 ton breaking strain. Blade is NOT that strong. But what if he added his foam:

https://i.postimg.cc/1VSg4xxC/RCO014-1548262670.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/sGJMhnsV/RCO015-1548262670.jpg

AND that grappling line, just for good measure?

(he has a LOT of foam, by the way). Blade wouldn't have the leverage to cut the cable, especially if his fingers etc are trapped by the foam. ESPECIALLY if his arms are pinned to the sides.

Originally posted by Trackz

after tanking a mjolnir hit to the chest by ghost rider thor and actively healing as the hammer was trying to burn into his chest



The damage he can do to Cosmic Ghost Rider with his breathing gun (Cosmic Ghost Rider had just beat down the rest of the Avengers)



So match starts, what is he holding in his hand? His adamantium sword, Boy Thing, his breathing gun, what? He has three arms now?

MrMind
a white billionaire playboy beating a close to 100 yrs old senile black man?

I dont like this

leonidas
Originally posted by Trackz
https://i.imgur.com/y9Rr3nd.png

after tanking a mjolnir hit to the chest by ghost rider thor and actively healing as the hammer was trying to burn into his chest

https://i.imgur.com/fjIP6EB.png

https://i.imgur.com/bsdKNLi.png

The damage he can do to Cosmic Ghost Rider with his breathing gun (Cosmic Ghost Rider had just beat down the rest of the Avengers)

https://i.imgur.com/8yj1tk7.png

putting down Ghost Rider (who had just been fighting Thor and Captain Marvel)

https://i.imgur.com/bf3sbui.png

vs. Silver Surfer

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERr90UXUUAA1YL6?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERr90UXU4AEB5di?format=jpg&name=large

This doesn't include strikeforce, where he casually killed Daimon Hellstrom, a demon clone of Wiccan, and had Angela backdown from him.

He's really on another level right now.

that's really good stuff. definitely enough to make me rethink this. i assumed bats handily using the more 'classic' version of blade. his new gear and showings definitely has me rethinking this. at the least, it's a highly debatable match. would make for an interesting bz perhaps. thumb up

DarkSaint85
Boy Thing isn't standard equipment, however. And his best feats in Trackz's post are accomplished with Boy Thing.

He just gets left behind to babysit:

https://i.postimg.cc/nVW8wJHw/15-11.jpg

Don't buy what he is peddling, Leo.

leonidas
i guess he has higher highs than i thought, is all i'm saying. without the added equipment (which i really don't know if it's standard) i'm still team bats. WITH the added equipment, and with what appears to be a slight bump recently in his stock, it's closer than i initially thought is all. i'd still take bats--too many feats to really compare fairly--but blade could certainly make it interesting--especially if he gets all his 'equipment'.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by leonidas
i guess he has higher highs than i thought, is all i'm saying. without the added equipment (which i really don't know if it's standard) i'm still team bats. WITH the added equipment, and with what appears to be a slight bump recently in his stock, it's closer than i initially thought is all. i'd still take bats--too many feats to really compare fairly--but blade could certainly make it interesting--especially if he gets all his 'equipment'.

Don't make me use all of Batman's gear mad

https://imgur.com/a/zNhEUrr

Edit and let's not start on what happens when he uses red sun radiation on Blade....

Bentley
Batman loses then? Great. This thread is now my favorite thread.

leonidas
laughing out loud

radiation would be an interesting tactic here....

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Bentley
Batman loses then? Great. This thread is now my favorite thread.

Lol no, he kicks vampire butt and human butt.

Human EMP!

https://m.imgur.com/a/Em67ETU

The human part of Blade....

StiltmanFTW

DarkSaint85
Ghostmaker? Bruce said he beat him every year they fought, and when he bragged about cleaning crime up in Gotham Bruce showed him how wrong he was....

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Boy Thing isn't standard equipment, however. And his best feats in Trackz's post are accomplished with Boy Thing.

He just gets left behind to babysit:

https://i.postimg.cc/nVW8wJHw/15-11.jpg

Don't buy what he is peddling, Leo.

"what I'm peddling" what is this? so Batman has never taken off his belt before? throughout the avengers run Blade is regularly shown with boy-thing and they've developed a symbiotic relationship. When boy-thing gets left behind, it's for his own protection at times but he is regularly with Blade on missions.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-2782847.jpg?1610829860

re: batman also fighting heralds, the difference is that is not at all expected. we know boy-thing has the strength of a planet and that his blades cut can cut through anything. the blades were melting through ironman armor on contact. like I said, ordinarily this would be a fight, blade right now is just on another level.

planetary strength, armor that's resistant to blows from herald level beings, weaponry that can put down ghost rider/thor level beings. this is all standard equipment with no prep.

Trackz
Originally posted by leonidas
i guess he has higher highs than i thought, is all i'm saying. without the added equipment (which i really don't know if it's standard) i'm still team bats. WITH the added equipment, and with what appears to be a slight bump recently in his stock, it's closer than i initially thought is all. i'd still take bats--too many feats to really compare fairly--but blade could certainly make it interesting--especially if he gets all his 'equipment'.

the breathing gun was gifted by hellstrom. it is an insta-kill for demonic beings, but on its own the bullets literally chase enemies.

boy-thing gives him planetary strength (only way he's able to cross blades with silver surfer) and swords that can cut through anything and melt it on contact.

at his base, we've seen Blade briefly put down Thor powered by the spirit of vengeance, a berzerk Ghost Rider, and get the better of Deadpool and stalemate Wolverine (and make short work of a vampire Wolverine).

Like I said, ordinarily this would be a match, Avenger Blade is on a different level, which is the only reason we're even arguing about "is this standard or not" even after it's been shown repeatedly.

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Don't make me use all of Batman's gear mad

https://imgur.com/a/zNhEUrr

Edit and let's not start on what happens when he uses red sun radiation on Blade....

And Batman knows this how without prep?

Blade is literally the only vampire with this weakness as far as we know. Beyond that, the boy-thing armor only happened because he needed protection from red sunlight, so I'm not sure why that would be relevant at all in this fight.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ghostmaker? Bruce said he beat him every year they fought, and when he bragged about cleaning crime up in Gotham Bruce showed him how wrong he was....

Yeah, Ghostmaker thumb up

Moon Knight vibe, but carrying dual katanas, Deadpool style.

Smurph
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


So if we make an exception for him, there's no reason for us not make us another exception for, let's say, Conan. Stilt always pushing his Conan agenda

StiltmanFTW
yes

Always.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Trackz
"what I'm peddling" what is this? so Batman has never taken off his belt before? throughout the avengers run Blade is regularly shown with boy-thing and they've developed a symbiotic relationship. When boy-thing gets left behind, it's for his own protection at times but he is regularly with Blade on missions.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-2782847.jpg?1610829860

re: batman also fighting heralds, the difference is that is not at all expected. we know boy-thing has the strength of a planet and that his blades cut can cut through anything. the blades were melting through ironman armor on contact. like I said, ordinarily this would be a fight, blade right now is just on another level.

planetary strength, armor that's resistant to blows from herald level beings, weaponry that can put down ghost rider/thor level beings. this is all standard equipment with no prep.

Oh wow. You're using a cover image, from a comic that will only be released in April as your proof....oh dear.

But at least your *ahem* proof shows what Blade looks like when he bring Boy-Thing with him - he rides on his shoulder.

Unlike, say, when they faced Khonshu's forces:
https://i.postimg.cc/5YV21ZFs/11-14.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/d7dVbqD7/13-8.jpg

Or during War of the Realms....

https://i.postimg.cc/cgxGFZ3G/RCO003-w-1558531659.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/wtcd537k/RCO018-1561566979.jpg

Two big events, no Boy-Thing. Add to that the current storyline, and that's quite a few events where Boy-Thing is not 'standard'. Blade only joined in Avengers #10, we're currently on #42, and already I've shown three major multi-issue events where Boy-Thing wasn't shown.

Here's another - the King in Black attacks. Boy Thing?

https://i.postimg.cc/Y9tyJR9d/RCO005-w-1611167287.jpg

Didn't bring him when he went to deal with Drac, either:
https://i.postimg.cc/VLJHQdfP/RCO015-w-1608739227.jpg

Hardly 'standard equipment'. Besides, does that mean Robin/Oracle etc are 'standard equipment' for Batman? No. Batman doesn't get a Boy Thing, neither does Blade.

As for the breathing gun?
https://i.postimg.cc/Z5MJ8dW0/RCO006-1566988328.jpg

Great against demons. No word on how it affects humans. But that is by-the-by.

Originally posted by Trackz
And Batman knows this how without prep?

Blade is literally the only vampire with this weakness as far as we know. Beyond that, the boy-thing armor only happened because he needed protection from red sunlight, so I'm not sure why that would be relevant at all in this fight.

It's not, I was pointing out to leo that if ALL equipment was allowed, then Batman brings ALL his toys onto the field. Check the post I was replying to.

Which means:
https://imgur.com/a/tzIEA

The Justice Buster. Which had dozens of red suns in each fist.

But again, check the post I was quoting. We're not bringing EVERYTHING to the table - no Justice Buster, no Platinum Kryptonite, no Boy Thing.

Originally posted by Trackz
the breathing gun was gifted by hellstrom. it is an insta-kill for demonic beings, but on its own the bullets literally chase enemies.

boy-thing gives him planetary strength (only way he's able to cross blades with silver surfer) and swords that can cut through anything and melt it on contact.

at his base, we've seen Blade briefly put down Thor powered by the spirit of vengeance, a berzerk Ghost Rider, and get the better of Deadpool and stalemate Wolverine (and make short work of a vampire Wolverine).

Like I said, ordinarily this would be a match, Avenger Blade is on a different level, which is the only reason we're even arguing about "is this standard or not" even after it's been shown repeatedly.

Repeatedly? Show me several times where the breathing gun is used. Bonus for my scan above - Blade tells Boy-Thing to go somewhere safe.

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh wow. You're using a cover image, from a comic that will only be released in April as your proof....oh dear.

But at least your *ahem* proof shows what Blade looks like when he bring Boy-Thing with him - he rides on his shoulder.

Unlike, say, when they faced Khonshu's forces:
https://i.postimg.cc/5YV21ZFs/11-14.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/d7dVbqD7/13-8.jpg

Or during War of the Realms....

https://i.postimg.cc/cgxGFZ3G/RCO003-w-1558531659.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/wtcd537k/RCO018-1561566979.jpg

Two big events, no Boy-Thing. Add to that the current storyline, and that's quite a few events where Boy-Thing is not 'standard'. Blade only joined in Avengers #10, we're currently on #42, and already I've shown three major multi-issue events where Boy-Thing wasn't shown.

Here's another - the King in Black attacks. Boy Thing?

https://i.postimg.cc/Y9tyJR9d/RCO005-w-1611167287.jpg

Didn't bring him when he went to deal with Drac, either:
https://i.postimg.cc/VLJHQdfP/RCO015-w-1608739227.jpg

Hardly 'standard equipment'. Besides, does that mean Robin/Oracle etc are 'standard equipment' for Batman? No. Batman doesn't get a Boy Thing, neither does Blade.

As for the breathing gun?
https://i.postimg.cc/Z5MJ8dW0/RCO006-1566988328.jpg

Great against demons. No word on how it affects humans. But that is by-the-by.



It's not, I was pointing out to leo that if ALL equipment was allowed, then Batman brings ALL his toys onto the field. Check the post I was replying to.

Which means:
https://imgur.com/a/tzIEA

The Justice Buster. Which had dozens of red suns in each fist.

But again, check the post I was quoting. We're not bringing EVERYTHING to the table - no Justice Buster, no Platinum Kryptonite, no Boy Thing.



Repeatedly? Show me several times where the breathing gun is used. Bonus for my scan above - Blade tells Boy-Thing to go somewhere safe.

So since your argument seems to hinge on making it so boy-thing isn't standard gear, I'm assuming that you're conceding that once it is proven that boy-thing is standard gear in the avengers the fight is over?

Again, like I said Batman with prep is a different question so the bulk of your response is irrelevant as you're throwing out a bunch of different items that you're admitting aren't standard gear.

Trackz
Also as a quick note, the breathing gun wasn't invented in that avengers story. they've been a part of Jason Aaron's stories previously. The bullets are little demons that chase and kill their target. Much in the same way silver bullets are especially effective against vampires doesn't mean they aren't effective against humans, the breathing gun is still deadly against anything.

leonidas
sounds like the living bullets fantomex used to use. thumb up

Trackz
Originally posted by leonidas
sounds like the living bullets fantomex used to use. thumb up exactly like those except they're near instant kills for demons

abhilegend
That's not the normal breathing gun blade uses , Daimon Hellstrom gave a new gun to Blade for that arc only IIRC.

Trackz
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not the normal breathing gun blade uses , Daimon Hellstrom gave a new gun to Blade for that arc only IIRC. I don't think there are multiple breathing guns. He described the breathing gun as one of the arch weapons of hell. the breathing gun as it was originally described wasn't just a type of gun that exists, it's a unique weapon like the ebony blade or excalibur or whichever.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Trackz
So since your argument seems to hinge on making it so boy-thing isn't standard gear, I'm assuming that you're conceding that once it is proven that boy-thing is standard gear in the avengers the fight is over?

Again, like I said Batman with prep is a different question so the bulk of your response is irrelevant as you're throwing out a bunch of different items that you're admitting aren't standard gear.

I've already proven that it's not standard gear. He didn't bring Boy Thing with him to fight Khonshu's worshippers, he didn't bring him to fight in the War of the Realms, he didn't bring him to the Ukraine with Drac, once back in NYC he didn't bring him to fight symbiotes, and in the latest Phoenix storyline he was left behind to babysit. Even when Cosmic GR came he told Boy Thing to go hide somewhere safe.

He's a separate character, like Robin or Alfred or Oracle. I can post dozens of scans showing Batman using those three in his fights and using them on standard patrols, but they're not considered standard gear. I know Blade took him after the War of the Realms to fight vamps, but that doesn't make him standard gear.

Moreover, forum rules clearly state that no amps for standard characters are used.

The converse of all of this, of course, seems to be without Boy Thing, you admit Blade loses.

With him? Blade has a shot, I agree. But Bats can still win.

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I've already proven that it's not standard gear. He didn't bring Boy Thing with him to fight Khonshu's worshippers, he didn't bring him to fight in the War of the Realms, he didn't bring him to the Ukraine with Drac, once back in NYC he didn't bring him to fight symbiotes, and in the latest Phoenix storyline he was left behind to babysit. Even when Cosmic GR came he told Boy Thing to go hide somewhere safe.

He's a separate character, like Robin or Alfred or Oracle. I can post dozens of scans showing Batman using those three in his fights and using them on standard patrols, but they're not considered standard gear. I know Blade took him after the War of the Realms to fight vamps, but that doesn't make him standard gear.

Moreover, forum rules clearly state that no amps for standard characters are used.

The converse of all of this, of course, seems to be without Boy Thing, you admit Blade loses.

With him? Blade has a shot, I agree. But Bats can still win.

No you didn't prove anything actually. Several faulty part to your argument too.

1. The only arc where we don't see boy-thing is the Khonshu arc. We see in a War of the Realms post-issue that Blade has been using boy-thing to travel for his missions during and post war of the realms.

2. We see in the Avengers issue focusing on Blade's vantage point of King in Black, that he does indeed have Boy-thing with him

3. In all scenes in which Blade is depicted with all his gear (all his swords and guns) boy-thing is also depicted.

There are a few times in which boy-thing is explicitly stated to not be with Blade for a given reason, but again we've seen Blade with boy-thing in the majority of his previous arcs.

1. Vampire war

2. War of the realms

3. Ghost rider

4. Starbrand

5. King in Black

There is one arc in which it's explicitly explained why Blade isn't carrying him, and another in which it is unexplained (Khonshu). For hte last few years though, Blade has been depicted with Boy-thing more than he's been depicted with his guns, which everyone would grant are standard equipment. Consistent depiction over the course of several years would represent standard equipment. Beyond that, the Standard Equipment rules on this website dictate that standard equipment affords them access to equipment they would ordinarily have access to in a fight in a given location.So even if there are issues where Blade elects to leave boy-thing at the Avengers base, that would still fall into standard equipment.

From the rules



So not only is Blade usually depicted with Boy-thing unless otherwise explained, he has reasonable access to boy-thing given that the Avengers base is capable of teleportation.

Your other point is the weakest. No boy-thing isn't an autonomous character like Robin. That would be arguing like anyone having a vs. against Venom would only be fighting the symbiote and not the host. In the few times boy-thing was shown to act independently, it was only to depict the connect Blade had to him. Since becoming a character, boy-thing has been depicted as a symbiotic type character.

You'd have an argument if robin literally rode on batman's shoulders for most of his appearances. That's not the case. A sidekick is not the same thing as a symbiotic type character.


boy-thing is also not an amp. an amp would be Blade reading from the darkhold, something that he's only done once. An upgrade that has been depicted over several years isn't an amp, it's standard. That would be like arguing that Jane Fosters powers as Valkyrie should be considered an amp.

The last part is ridiculous. Batman has no shot with Blade if given standard equipment. He's faster, stronger, more durable, and literally requires one-hit to win unless you think Batman is surviving a blade capable of burning him from the inside out.

DarkSaint85
Wait, where (point 2) do we see Blade with BT during KiB? Are you still using the cover of an unreleased comic?

War of the Realms, DURING it, he's not using BT. Post, sure, when he went to fight the vamps, but not during (as I said).

You then neglected to mention the current Phoenix arc.

So that's....Vamp war, GR (where he tells BT not to join in), and Starbrand.

So that's....2 story arcs, whereas I showed.....3 arcs where he's not shown at all,a Nd 1 where he explicitly doesn't use him.

That's hardly standard equipment, lol, and even if you can show him during KiB as of now (Feb 2021), and him using BT during War of the Realms, the fact that he doesn't explicitly have it during even ONE storyline shows its not standard.

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, where (point 2) do we see Blade with BT during KiB? Are you still using the cover of an unreleased comic?

War of the Realms, DURING it, he's not using BT. Post, sure, when he went to fight the vamps, but not during (as I said).

You then neglected to mention the current Phoenix arc.

So that's....Vamp war, GR (where he tells BT not to join in), and Starbrand.

So that's....2 story arcs, whereas I showed.....3 arcs where he's not shown at all,a Nd 1 where he explicitly doesn't use him.

That's hardly standard equipment, lol, and even if you can show him during KiB as of now (Feb 2021), and him using BT during War of the Realms, the fact that he doesn't explicitly have it during even ONE storyline shows its not standard.

Yes we're discussing the cover of an unreleased comic for an event that is on-going if you're claiming that he conclusively does not have boy-thing during the event, especially given that the artist of said event has admitted he made a number of mistakes since he did not check on the current state of characters before drawing them (e.g. depicting Cable as an adult). It dismissed your position that he does not have boy-thing when the sole story we have from Blade's vantage point is advertised as having him with boy-thing. If you don't want to accept that, fine but then it also dismissed all of King in Black as an example.

Re; War of the Realms, like I've stated they narratively explain when and where boy-thing is. The issue was still during War of Realms (she-hulk is literally actively covered in Giant blood) and we see that Blade has been using boy-thing to travel for his solo mission.

In the current phoenix arc is is explicitly stated why boy-thing isn't with him. I didn't neglect it. If the issue has to narratively explain why boy-thing isn't why, it's because they're recognizing that he is usually with Blade.



This is terrible logic, especially for a character like Blade. There are issues where he explicitly doesn't have his trench coat. Does that mean it's not standard equipment. He hasn't been regularly holding or wielding guns, is that suddenly not standard equipment. That's why standard equipment is about consistency. Your argument that you can point out a single inconsistency doesn't mean it's not consistent.

As noted, there is a single arc in which is isn't explained where boy-thing is. 1. Blade has been on the Avengers for 2 years now. When depicted in the avengers in other books like ant-man, boy-thing is shown with him.

This isn't a good argument.

StiltmanFTW
I think we can all agree that Blade doesn't have a penis.

AlbertoJohnAvil
@trackz ehhh Technically that breathing gun of Blade's is anyway expected to be effective against hellish targets, which CGR falls under, but yes, Blade has gotten upgrades and improvements over the years:

https://i.postimg.cc/CRYGjjRy/traks.jpg

MrMind
the area where his penis used to be is now a butthole

he has two buttholes one in the front one in the back

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by MrMind
the area where his penis used to be is now a butthole

he has two buttholes one in the front one in the back

100% canon thumb up

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Trackz
Yes we're discussing the cover of an unreleased comic for an event that is on-going if you're claiming that he conclusively does not have boy-thing during the event, especially given that the artist of said event has admitted he made a number of mistakes since he did not check on the current state of characters before drawing them (e.g. depicting Cable as an adult). It dismissed your position that he does not have boy-thing when the sole story we have from Blade's vantage point is advertised as having him with boy-thing. If you don't want to accept that, fine but then it also dismissed all of King in Black as an example.

Re; War of the Realms, like I've stated they narratively explain when and where boy-thing is. The issue was still during War of Realms (she-hulk is literally actively covered in Giant blood) and we see that Blade has been using boy-thing to travel for his solo mission.

In the current phoenix arc is is explicitly stated why boy-thing isn't with him. I didn't neglect it. If the issue has to narratively explain why boy-thing isn't why, it's because they're recognizing that he is usually with Blade.



This is terrible logic, especially for a character like Blade. There are issues where he explicitly doesn't have his trench coat. Does that mean it's not standard equipment. He hasn't been regularly holding or wielding guns, is that suddenly not standard equipment. That's why standard equipment is about consistency. Your argument that you can point out a single inconsistency doesn't mean it's not consistent.

As noted, there is a single arc in which is isn't explained where boy-thing is. 1. Blade has been on the Avengers for 2 years now. When depicted in the avengers in other books like ant-man, boy-thing is shown with him.

This isn't a good argument.

Blade joined in Avengers #10. We are now on #42. Not all of those issues 10-42 had Blade, sometimes not even the current Avengers. BT only appeared in issue #17.

You had to rely on a cover, when we all know comic covers aren't always the best guide to their contents.

Of the issues so far (Feb 2021, also when THIS thread was made) with KiB, Blade does NOT have BT with him. I have posted the scans - artists can say whatever they like, we don't care. We go by what is on panel. And on panel, so far for KiB, BT is not there.

War of the Realms did NOT have BT on Blade's shoulder - I posted the scans. AFTER it was all done, when Shulk is literally clean up crew -THEN BT was being used:

https://i.postimg.cc/7Yzw7jXF/RCO010-1562750858.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/1XnPvdSN/RCO012-w-1562750858.jpg

But DURING the event?

BT appears in Avengers #17.
#18, War of the Realms. No BT
#19 - Blade is shown fighting, no BT
#20 - Blade is shown fighting, no BT
#21 - The scans above-Blade is shown with BT going off to fight vamps. War of the Realms is EXPLICITLY over. Blade fights using BT
#22 - Blade is with BT as they stand around talking
#23 - Cosmic GR attacks, Blade sends BT away when fighting starts No BT fighting with Blade.
#24 - Blade fights with the breathing gun (first time); no BT
#25 - Blade is fighting in Hell, no BT
#26 - flashback, no Blade
#27 - Blade walking around and talking, no BT(except when he gives a rose to Black Widow). Fast forward to a few weeks later, then they are in GR's car.
#28 - they're in GR's car, Blade is dying
#29 - The surfer feat (BT's idea, not Blade's) Blade fights using BT
#30 - Gladiator feat Blade fights using BT
#31 - No Blade, only Stark
#32 - Blade is about to leave with BT, gets talked back by Widow
#32-37 - Blade fights; no BT this is the Khonshu arc
#38 - Blade is shown, no BT
#39 - Flashback
#40 - Blade fights when Namor attacks; no BT
#41 - no Blade
#42 - It's shown BT is babysitting. no BT fighting with Blade.

That's.....pretty bad for supposed 'standard' equipment. I am NOT saying that just because he doesn't whip it out that we automatically assume BT isn't there - I am saying BT isn't even shown. We have entire arcs and issues where BT isn't even mentioned. Blade has multiple fights in multiple issues without BT - and BT has only been around for 25 ish issues. Of those 25, Blade appears in around 18 issues. Of those 18, he is shown fighting in 13 issues. Of those, Blade only fights with BT in 2, with a 3 instance off-panel (with the vamps). And that was in one single arc, the Starbrand arc.

That's it.

Thus, he isn't standard equipment.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Blade joined in Avengers #10. We are now on #42. Not all of those issues 10-42 had Blade, sometimes not even the current Avengers. BT only appeared in issue #17.

You had to rely on a cover, when we all know comic covers aren't always the best guide to their contents.

Of the issues so far (Feb 2021, also when THIS thread was made) with KiB, Blade does NOT have BT with him. I have posted the scans - artists can say whatever they like, we don't care. We go by what is on panel. And on panel, so far for KiB, BT is not there.

War of the Realms did NOT have BT on Blade's shoulder - I posted the scans. AFTER it was all done, when Shulk is literally clean up crew -THEN BT was being used:

https://i.postimg.cc/7Yzw7jXF/RCO010-1562750858.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/1XnPvdSN/RCO012-w-1562750858.jpg

But DURING the event?

BT appears in Avengers #17.
#18, War of the Realms. No BT
#19 - Blade is shown fighting, no BT
#20 - Blade is shown fighting, no BT
#21 - The scans above-Blade is shown with BT going off to fight vamps. War of the Realms is EXPLICITLY over. Blade fights using BT
#22 - Blade is with BT as they stand around talking
#23 - Cosmic GR attacks, Blade sends BT away when fighting starts No BT fighting with Blade.
#24 - Blade fights with the breathing gun (first time); no BT
#25 - Blade is fighting in Hell, no BT
#26 - flashback, no Blade
#27 - Blade walking around and talking, no BT(except when he gives a rose to Black Widow). Fast forward to a few weeks later, then they are in GR's car.
#28 - they're in GR's car, Blade is dying
#29 - The surfer feat (BT's idea, not Blade's) Blade fights using BT
#30 - Gladiator feat Blade fights using BT
#31 - No Blade, only Stark
#32 - Blade is about to leave with BT, gets talked back by Widow
#32-37 - Blade fights; no BT this is the Khonshu arc
#38 - Blade is shown, no BT
#39 - Flashback
#40 - Blade fights when Namor attacks; no BT
#41 - no Blade
#42 - It's shown BT is babysitting. no BT fighting with Blade.

That's.....pretty bad for supposed 'standard' equipment. I am NOT saying that just because he doesn't whip it out that we automatically assume BT isn't there - I am saying BT isn't even shown. We have entire arcs and issues where BT isn't even mentioned. Blade has multiple fights in multiple issues without BT - and BT has only been around for 25 ish issues. Of those 25, Blade appears in around 18 issues. Of those 18, he is shown fighting in 13 issues. Of those, Blade only fights with BT in 2, with a 3 instance off-panel (with the vamps). And that was in one single arc, the Starbrand arc.

That's it.

Thus, he isn't standard equipment.

Why not? Though its fairly new It's STILL his gear he is currently using and has used since last year. Do you see Batman using the shock gloves always, etc? Boy thing is just there like think of A symbiote that chooses not to merge always.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I've already proven that it's not standard gear. He didn't bring Boy Thing with him to fight Khonshu's worshippers, he didn't bring him to fight in the War of the Realms, he didn't bring him to the Ukraine with Drac, once back in NYC he didn't bring him to fight symbiotes, and in the latest Phoenix storyline he was left behind to babysit. Even when Cosmic GR came he told Boy Thing to go hide somewhere safe.

He's a separate character, like Robin or Alfred or Oracle. I can post dozens of scans showing Batman using those three in his fights and using them on standard patrols, but they're not considered standard gear. I know Blade took him after the War of the Realms to fight vamps, but that doesn't make him standard gear.

Moreover, forum rules clearly state that no amps for standard characters are used.

The converse of all of this, of course, seems to be without Boy Thing, you admit Blade loses.

With him? Blade has a shot, I agree. But Bats can still win.

Separate character that has chosen to always stay with Blade. And is also able to be used as a weapon.
Blue Beetle gotta whole scarab on his back doing way more iller shit than Boy Thing does for blade. Same concept basically....

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Why not? Though its fairly new It's STILL his gear he is currently using and has used since last year. Do you see Batman using the shock gloves always, etc? Boy thing is just there like think of A symbiote that chooses not to merge always.

He's had BT for two years now, and as I explicitly mentioned Blade only really used him in battle once (and then, it was BT's idea not Blade's).

Ah, I was waiting for this argument - that Batman doesn't always use X, Y or Z, so why should we assume X, Y, or Z is standard?

Simple. With zero special prep, he has been shown to carry:

https://imgur.com/a/1zZeN

Item 42 = ~30%. Note that BatarangS, plural, are counted as ONE item. So the belt, alone, has ~140 items, and some items are actually GROUPS of items (like the lockpickS and the BatarangS).

And note this is the utility belt alone. His gauntlets, his cowl, his cape, his boots etc, they ALL have items hidden in them. His teeth have smoke bombs in them, his skin has acid in them, etc etc.

Boy Thing IS just there, I agree. Except in the comics I named above, he isn't even shown. When he IS shown, when Blade DOES take him into battle, he is shown.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Separate character that has chosen to always stay with Blade. And is also able to be used as a weapon.
Blue Beetle gotta whole scarab on his back doing way more iller shit than Boy Thing does for blade. Same concept basically....

He hasn't always chosen to stay with Blade, That's my point. There are way more instances of him not being with Blade than with.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's had BT for two years now, and as I explicitly mentioned Blade only really used him in battle once (and then, it was BT's idea not Blade's).

Ah, I was waiting for this argument - that Batman doesn't always use X, Y or Z, so why should we assume X, Y, or Z is standard?

Simple. With zero special prep, he has been shown to carry:

https://imgur.com/a/1zZeN

Item 42 = ~30%. Note that BatarangS, plural, are counted as ONE item. So the belt, alone, has ~140 items, and some items are actually GROUPS of items (like the lockpickS and the BatarangS).

And note this is the utility belt alone. His gauntlets, his cowl, his cape, his boots etc, they ALL have items hidden in them. His teeth have smoke bombs in them, his skin has acid in them, etc etc.

Boy Thing IS just there, I agree. Except in the comics I named above, he isn't even shown. When he IS shown, when Blade DOES take him into battle, he is shown.



He hasn't always chosen to stay with Blade, That's my point. There are way more instances of him not being with Blade than with.

Two years? And its not standard gear? How sway?

DarkSaint85
Because of this. When I said he "had" Boy thing, I meant Boy thing has only appeared for two years in TOTAL. Of those two years, Blade only had him to fight with in ONE storyline, and off panel for another.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Blade joined in Avengers #10. We are now on #42. Not all of those issues 10-42 had Blade, sometimes not even the current Avengers. BT only appeared in issue #17.

You had to rely on a cover, when we all know comic covers aren't always the best guide to their contents.

Of the issues so far (Feb 2021, also when THIS thread was made) with KiB, Blade does NOT have BT with him. I have posted the scans - artists can say whatever they like, we don't care. We go by what is on panel. And on panel, so far for KiB, BT is not there.

War of the Realms did NOT have BT on Blade's shoulder - I posted the scans. AFTER it was all done, when Shulk is literally clean up crew -THEN BT was being used:

https://i.postimg.cc/7Yzw7jXF/RCO010-1562750858.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/1XnPvdSN/RCO012-w-1562750858.jpg

But DURING the event?

BT appears in Avengers #17.
#18, War of the Realms. No BT
#19 - Blade is shown fighting, no BT
#20 - Blade is shown fighting, no BT
#21 - The scans above-Blade is shown with BT going off to fight vamps. War of the Realms is EXPLICITLY over. Blade fights using BT
#22 - Blade is with BT as they stand around talking
#23 - Cosmic GR attacks, Blade sends BT away when fighting starts No BT fighting with Blade.
#24 - Blade fights with the breathing gun (first time); no BT
#25 - Blade is fighting in Hell, no BT
#26 - flashback, no Blade
#27 - Blade walking around and talking, no BT(except when he gives a rose to Black Widow). Fast forward to a few weeks later, then they are in GR's car.
#28 - they're in GR's car, Blade is dying
#29 - The surfer feat (BT's idea, not Blade's) Blade fights using BT
#30 - Gladiator feat Blade fights using BT
#31 - No Blade, only Stark
#32 - Blade is about to leave with BT, gets talked back by Widow
#32-37 - Blade fights; no BT this is the Khonshu arc
#38 - Blade is shown, no BT
#39 - Flashback
#40 - Blade fights when Namor attacks; no BT
#41 - no Blade
#42 - It's shown BT is babysitting. no BT fighting with Blade.

That's.....pretty bad for supposed 'standard' equipment. I am NOT saying that just because he doesn't whip it out that we automatically assume BT isn't there - I am saying BT isn't even shown. We have entire arcs and issues where BT isn't even mentioned. Blade has multiple fights in multiple issues without BT - and BT has only been around for 25 ish issues. Of those 25, Blade appears in around 18 issues. Of those 18, he is shown fighting in 13 issues. Of those, Blade only fights with BT in 2, with a 3 instance off-panel (with the vamps). And that was in one single arc, the Starbrand arc.

That's it.

Thus, he isn't standard equipment.

AlbertoJohnAvil
I wouldn't even use War of the realms arc to argue since BT was literally on the other side at first.
Sending BT away kinda point to BT was with him.
Breathing gun, BT was there also blade got mad at CGR for what he did to BT.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I wouldn't even use War of the realms arc to argue since BT was literally on the other side at first.
Sending BT away kinda point to BT was with him.
Breathing gun, BT was there also blade got mad at CGR for what he did to BT.

Nope, he started sitting on Blade's shoulder in issue #17. But Blade didn't use him during the WoR.

When CGR attacked, Blade told BT to run away somewhere safe and took him off his shoulder.

My point being, which you either don't understand or don't want to, is that. Blade doesn't turn up to fights automatically with BT on his shoulder. As shown by my summary.

AlbertoJohnAvil
You've gotta be kidding me smh Boy thing also was used as wings, He has Boy thing, He is a host to it. It's essentially his standard gear now.

DarkSaint85
He's not it's host though. And as I showed, BT doesn't always go around with Blade. You're just trolling now.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's not it's host though. And as I showed, BT doesn't always go around with Blade. You're just trolling now.

He used boything to kill the colonel
https://i.postimg.cc/zVj3Vfc7/mjnh.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/4KrxrHYf/cfv.jpg

BT merges with blade while blade had a red sun poisoning and stabbed surfer:
https://i.postimg.cc/8Fr1Bktq/shows.jpg

Shown again here fighting fire lord

https://i.postimg.cc/wRFHT1js/wha.jpg

Shown again stabbing Gladiator

https://i.postimg.cc/XpQ9BWHf/bwns.jpg

But let's act like BT was only used 2 times smh

DarkSaint85
The Firelord/Surfer/Glads scans are from like the same two issues...same storyline...issue #29/30.

From issue 18 on....he's not used that much.

Your use of the Colonel scan kinda messes your point up about war if the realms lol.

Please stop trolling.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The Firelord/Surfer/Glads scans are from like the same two issues...same storyline...issue #29/30.

From issue 18 on....he's not used that much.

Your use of the Colonel scan kinda messes your point up about war if the realms lol.

Please stop trolling.

From issue 18 on He's used it 4 times.. just because scans are in the same issue doesn't mean you ignore it being used.
Its his standard.

Unless you're saying shock knuckles are not batmans standard because he doesn't use it that much

DarkSaint85
And he's not used BT for around 10 times. He's not even with Blade. So sorry, not standard equipment. This isn't like Batman's gear, because Batman carries a LOT of stuff with him.

Blade doesn't carry BT as standard. As proved by my list of comic issues.

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Blade joined in Avengers #10. We are now on #42. Not all of those issues 10-42 had Blade, sometimes not even the current Avengers. BT only appeared in issue #17.

You had to rely on a cover, when we all know comic covers aren't always the best guide to their contents.

Of the issues so far (Feb 2021, also when THIS thread was made) with KiB, Blade does NOT have BT with him. I have posted the scans - artists can say whatever they like, we don't care. We go by what is on panel. And on panel, so far for KiB, BT is not there.

War of the Realms did NOT have BT on Blade's shoulder - I posted the scans. AFTER it was all done, when Shulk is literally clean up crew -THEN BT was being used:

https://i.postimg.cc/7Yzw7jXF/RCO010-1562750858.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/1XnPvdSN/RCO012-w-1562750858.jpg

But DURING the event?

BT appears in Avengers #17.
#18, War of the Realms. No BT
#19 - Blade is shown fighting, no BT
#20 - Blade is shown fighting, no BT
#21 - The scans above-Blade is shown with BT going off to fight vamps. War of the Realms is EXPLICITLY over. Blade fights using BT
#22 - Blade is with BT as they stand around talking
#23 - Cosmic GR attacks, Blade sends BT away when fighting starts No BT fighting with Blade.
#24 - Blade fights with the breathing gun (first time); no BT
#25 - Blade is fighting in Hell, no BT
#26 - flashback, no Blade
#27 - Blade walking around and talking, no BT(except when he gives a rose to Black Widow). Fast forward to a few weeks later, then they are in GR's car.
#28 - they're in GR's car, Blade is dying
#29 - The surfer feat (BT's idea, not Blade's) Blade fights using BT
#30 - Gladiator feat Blade fights using BT
#31 - No Blade, only Stark
#32 - Blade is about to leave with BT, gets talked back by Widow
#32-37 - Blade fights; no BT this is the Khonshu arc
#38 - Blade is shown, no BT
#39 - Flashback
#40 - Blade fights when Namor attacks; no BT
#41 - no Blade
#42 - It's shown BT is babysitting. no BT fighting with Blade.

That's.....pretty bad for supposed 'standard' equipment. I am NOT saying that just because he doesn't whip it out that we automatically assume BT isn't there - I am saying BT isn't even shown. We have entire arcs and issues where BT isn't even mentioned. Blade has multiple fights in multiple issues without BT - and BT has only been around for 25 ish issues. Of those 25, Blade appears in around 18 issues. Of those 18, he is shown fighting in 13 issues. Of those, Blade only fights with BT in 2, with a 3 instance off-panel (with the vamps). And that was in one single arc, the Starbrand arc.

That's it.

Thus, he isn't standard equipment.


Yea I'm sorry this is just flawed logic and you're intentionally obfuscating. Blade has had boy-thing for every major arc, and in the arcs where he hasn't been shown it's usually explicitly stated why. Your point largely rests on 3 arcs where you're arguing he's not explicitly shown.

We know in one arc, we se that Blade has been using boy-thing predominantly for travel (War of the Realms)

King in Black, and event that is currently on-going, we see evidence in a future story that will detail what Blade and Boy-Thing have been up to.

The only one I will grant is Khonshu in which it isn't explicitly stated, but one event in 2 years is the inconsistency, not the other way around.

Again, you can do the same with Blade and his guns. He has been depicted with boy-thing more consistently than he has fire arms the past few years, but we acknowledge that Blade (a character that has variable gear like Punisher), we based standard on what we tend to see him use. The fact that it has to be explicitly explained where boy-thing is in Blade's appearances means its standard. Again, I'd be happy to bring a mod in on the exact definition of standard, but you're grasping at straws here.

The idea that you peddled later that boy-thing isn't a symbiotic creature is even weaker. In the majority of boy-things appearances he is fixed to a person. In the few cases he isn't, it is to demonstrate Blades connection to him (when he goes off to try and fight cosmic ghost rider, and that serves as Blade's motivation for entering into the fight).

We have seen the venom symbiote bind to other people, and currently isn't bound to Eddie Brock at all. That happens regularly, but it is fairly obvious the character of venom is symbiotic. This is the same case. The vast majority of boy-things appearances are fixed to Blade.

Again the most clear evidence, anytime Blade is seen with all his gear in Avengers tower, boy-thing is also there.

Trackz
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@trackz ehhh Technically that breathing gun of Blade's is anyway expected to be effective against hellish targets, which CGR falls under, but yes, Blade has gotten upgrades and improvements over the years:

https://i.postimg.cc/CRYGjjRy/traks.jpg

you're right, i'm just saying that it would also do damage to humans. I'll grant that we've only ever seen the bullets chase demons in Aaron's ghost rider run, so we don't know if they'd be able to do that with human targets.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And he's not used BT for around 10 times. He's not even with Blade. So sorry, not standard equipment. This isn't like Batman's gear, because Batman carries a LOT of stuff with him.

Blade doesn't carry BT as standard. As proved by my list of comic issues.

Batman doesn't always use what he carries nor does he always have some of the gear people have argued as standard all the time.
So yes its a lot like batman's stuff, The point is, BT and Blade have been together and used more than once to argue it being standard.. with current.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Trackz
Yea I'm sorry this is just flawed logic and you're intentionally obfuscating. Blade has had boy-thing for every major arc, and in the arcs where he hasn't been shown it's usually explicitly stated why. Your point largely rests on 3 arcs where you're arguing he's not explicitly shown.

We know in one arc, we se that Blade has been using boy-thing predominantly for travel (War of the Realms)

King in Black, and event that is currently on-going, we see evidence in a future story that will detail what Blade and Boy-Thing have been up to.

The only one I will grant is Khonshu in which it isn't explicitly stated, but one event in 2 years is the inconsistency, not the other way around.

Again, you can do the same with Blade and his guns. He has been depicted with boy-thing more consistently than he has fire arms the past few years, but we acknowledge that Blade (a character that has variable gear like Punisher), we based standard on what we tend to see him use. The fact that it has to be explicitly explained where boy-thing is in Blade's appearances means its standard. Again, I'd be happy to bring a mod in on the exact definition of standard, but you're grasping at straws here.

The idea that you peddled later that boy-thing isn't a symbiotic creature is even weaker. In the majority of boy-things appearances he is fixed to a person. In the few cases he isn't, it is to demonstrate Blades connection to him (when he goes off to try and fight cosmic ghost rider, and that serves as Blade's motivation for entering into the fight).

We have seen the venom symbiote bind to other people, and currently isn't bound to Eddie Brock at all. That happens regularly, but it is fairly obvious the character of venom is symbiotic. This is the same case. The vast majority of boy-things appearances are fixed to Blade.

Again the most clear evidence, anytime Blade is seen with all his gear in Avengers tower, boy-thing is also there.

By all means, we can bring mods in for this.

My point is that we can't automatically assume that Blade shows up for a fight with BT - because he isn't even shown bringing him. I am not talking about using BT, but he doesn't even ride on his shoulder.

Your 'evidence' is based on panels with Blade with ALL of his gear - which doesn't = standard.

War of the Realms, Blade did NOT bring BT in the Avengers. I don't know how many times I can say this, lol. Prove that he did - and if you use the scans I posted, lol, it's from #21, which explicitly says the War was OVER.

Ghost Rider in Hell, he did not bring BT with him.

Khonshu arc, no BT.

Phoenix 5 arc, no BT.

Then you are relying on a cover of an unreleased comic. I have listed every issue with every appearance of BT, and you can see for yourself how often BT is used in battle by Blade - hell, how often he is just present on the battlefield.

In short, if I were to pick up a random Avengers comic with Blade in it, chances are I wouldn't see BT fighting alongside him.

StiltmanFTW
Five pages with grown men talking about their boything.


KMC at its absolute best, indeed.

-Pr-
You all disgust me. Or arouse me. I can't decide.

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
By all means, we can bring mods in for this.

My point is that we can't automatically assume that Blade shows up for a fight with BT - because he isn't even shown bringing him. I am not talking about using BT, but he doesn't even ride on his shoulder.

Your 'evidence' is based on panels with Blade with ALL of his gear - which doesn't = standard.

War of the Realms, Blade did NOT bring BT in the Avengers. I don't know how many times I can say this, lol. Prove that he did - and if you use the scans I posted, lol, it's from #21, which explicitly says the War was OVER.

Ghost Rider in Hell, he did not bring BT with him.

Khonshu arc, no BT.

Phoenix 5 arc, no BT.

Then you are relying on a cover of an unreleased comic. I have listed every issue with every appearance of BT, and you can see for yourself how often BT is used in battle by Blade - hell, how often he is just present on the battlefield.

In short, if I were to pick up a random Avengers comic with Blade in it, chances are I wouldn't see BT fighting alongside him.

Again you're conflating "intentionally chose not to bring" with "does not regularly have".

If Blade intentionally chooses not to use something that doesn't mean it's not standard equipment. Like I said, Blade has used guns a handful of times with the Avengers. In a number of issues they can't be seen on his person, but Blade uses them consistently enough for us to acknowledge them as a part of his standard equipment.

I'm not relying on the cover of an unreleased comic, it's just a ridiculous point to conclusively say "Blade doesn't have boy-thing in this event and there's no explanation" in an on-going event, and in future advertisements for said event he's clearly displayed with that very thing you're saying he inexplicably doesn't have. It's a weak point.

Re: War of realms, the relevance there is we see how Blade has been traveling on missions in war of the realms. That issue is still a part of the general war of the realms tie-ins as an epilogue, again this is intentional. It shows us how boy-thing had been utilized, in that Blade doesn't just use him for combat, he also uses him for travel.

If Blade decides not to use a gun, that doesn't mean it is no longer a part of his standard equipment, much in the same way if he doesn't use boy-thing, that doesn't suddenly mean he doesn't have him. In each of these arcs, we see Blade make intentional decisions about what to do with boy-thing ahead of a mission. We see when he heads out on missions, he brings boy-thing. Like lets really analyze what goes on in these situations.

In standard patrol situations, we see that he uses boy-thing for travel. When he is getting ready to leave the mansion, he's traveling with boy-thing. AKA If Blade is traveling independently, he is carrying boy-thing. If this is a random encounter he likely has boy-thing.

The situations in which he doesn't have boy-thing we see are clear *decisions* in which he decides to not take him. Once again, if Punsher or Deadpool decide not to bring grenades on certain missions, that doesn't suddenly omit them from standard gear because we clearly see that depicted with them enough times to acknowledge that in a random encounter they'll be present.

Phoenix 5 arc, he has boy-thing watching the star-brand. In Ghost Rider arc, he leaves boy-thing to recover after he was blasted by Cosmic Ghost Rider.

The issues you're trying to get at don't consider the unique nuance of a symbiote-type character. Boy-thing is not an actual piece of equipment, he is a symbiotic creature that has bonded with Blade and we've seen Blade make intentional decisions about how to best make use of him from arc to arc. But they have been pretty consistent in displaying their relationship.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Trackz
Again you're conflating "intentionally chose not to bring" with "does not regularly have".
Then...what, CIS? Blade has BT but decides to leave him behind?


Because we have DECADES of Blade comics to fall back on. We don't with Blade and BT.


I posted every scan we have of Blade in the KiB storyline. Adverts are the weak point here.


Actually, that issue isn't. It does not have the War of the Realms on the front (like issues 18-20 did).

Blade did not use BT during issues 18-20, the War of the Realms event itself. Issue #21 is explciitly the day AFTER the War of the Realms.

War of the Realms: Strikeforce, a Blade heavy War of the REalms tie-in - doesn't have BT:

https://i.postimg.cc/DfDtkbNr/RCO015-1583630224.jpg


I'm not saying he doesn't use X, so its not standard. I am saying he doesn't even bring him along.


Yes, when he left he carried him - he carried the entirety of his worldly possessions. BECAUSE HE WAS LEAVING. That doesn't mean = standard equipment. If YOU, say, are moving house, and bring ALL of your worldly possessions with you - that doesn't mean on a n average day, you have all of that kit on you, does it?


Yes, because we have DECADES of comics to fall back on. The average will weigh heavily in favour of grenades.


And War of the Realms (issue18-20?) where is he? And where does it state that it was Blade's decision to have him watching Starbrand?


They're not THAT bonded, you're making him out as if its a symbiote, when it's more akin to Batman and Jarro.

False point on the decision making, btw. The best displays of this bond - when they fought Surfer/Glads/Firelord (really, the only time they've actually fought together like this) it was BT's decision, not Blade's.

DarkSaint85
And here is every appearance of Blade in the War of the Realms book proper:

https://i.postimg.cc/tYMpGBfL/09-10.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/18VPmp14/11-16.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/LnX2Wcyt/13-11.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/KKXbRRmf/19-11.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hJ9BxcjB/24-6.jpg

No BT.

Sin I AM
What's interesting is that even though Blade is already meta-level in stats people are arguing he needs an additional buff just to contend with standard Batman.

Bentley
Originally posted by Sin I AM
What's interesting is that even though Blade is already meta-level in stats people are arguing he needs an additional buff just to contend with standard Batman.

Gives you a measure of how badly written Batman is

leonidas
sad but true, but it's not like this is anything recent. he's become what he is over the last 3-4 decades....

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Then...what, CIS? Blade has BT but decides to leave him behind?


Because we have DECADES of Blade comics to fall back on. We don't with Blade and BT.


I posted every scan we have of Blade in the KiB storyline. Adverts are the weak point here.


Actually, that issue isn't. It does not have the War of the Realms on the front (like issues 18-20 did).

Blade did not use BT during issues 18-20, the War of the Realms event itself. Issue #21 is explciitly the day AFTER the War of the Realms.

War of the Realms: Strikeforce, a Blade heavy War of the REalms tie-in - doesn't have BT:

https://i.postimg.cc/DfDtkbNr/RCO015-1583630224.jpg


I'm not saying he doesn't use X, so its not standard. I am saying he doesn't even bring him along.


Yes, when he left he carried him - he carried the entirety of his worldly possessions. BECAUSE HE WAS LEAVING. That doesn't mean = standard equipment. If YOU, say, are moving house, and bring ALL of your worldly possessions with you - that doesn't mean on a n average day, you have all of that kit on you, does it?


Yes, because we have DECADES of comics to fall back on. The average will weigh heavily in favour of grenades.


And War of the Realms (issue18-20?) where is he? And where does it state that it was Blade's decision to have him watching Starbrand?


They're not THAT bonded, you're making him out as if its a symbiote, when it's more akin to Batman and Jarro.

False point on the decision making, btw. The best displays of this bond - when they fought Surfer/Glads/Firelord (really, the only time they've actually fought together like this) it was BT's decision, not Blade's.

Jarro doesn't merg like BT so yes more like a symbiote.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by leonidas
sad but true, but it's not like this is anything recent. he's become what he is over the last 3-4 decades....

I wonder what Pre Crisis Batman was like, actually.

leonidas
in the 70s is when batman really starting becoming the batman we know and recognize, but he was nowhere close to the level he's become. he was still 'mostly' just a peak human. neal adams did some truly awesome work with the character for a while. i think he became the "dark knight" in the early 70s sometime.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by leonidas
in the 70s is when batman really starting becoming the batman we know and recognize, but he was nowhere close to the level he's become. he was still 'mostly' just a peak human. neal adams did some truly awesome work with the character for a while. i think he became the "dark knight" in the early 70s sometime.

Oh LAWD.

I just had a quick check.

IT IS ALL CANON NOW.

Batman, at 10 years old, explicitly without any training, takes on a giant trained grizzly bear and beats it.........

https://i.postimg.cc/cvVhKkFq/RCO003-1469655429.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/f3mKY7PV/RCO004-1469655429.jpg

Action Comics #465

StiltmanFTW
DS/Trackz here remind me of rough anal sex sessions between Srank and Snoop.

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Then...what, CIS? Blade has BT but decides to leave him behind?


Because we have DECADES of Blade comics to fall back on. We don't with Blade and BT.


I posted every scan we have of Blade in the KiB storyline. Adverts are the weak point here.


Actually, that issue isn't. It does not have the War of the Realms on the front (like issues 18-20 did).

Blade did not use BT during issues 18-20, the War of the Realms event itself. Issue #21 is explciitly the day AFTER the War of the Realms.

War of the Realms: Strikeforce, a Blade heavy War of the REalms tie-in - doesn't have BT:

https://i.postimg.cc/DfDtkbNr/RCO015-1583630224.jpg


I'm not saying he doesn't use X, so its not standard. I am saying he doesn't even bring him along.


Yes, when he left he carried him - he carried the entirety of his worldly possessions. BECAUSE HE WAS LEAVING. That doesn't mean = standard equipment. If YOU, say, are moving house, and bring ALL of your worldly possessions with you - that doesn't mean on a n average day, you have all of that kit on you, does it?


Yes, because we have DECADES of comics to fall back on. The average will weigh heavily in favour of grenades.


And War of the Realms (issue18-20?) where is he? And where does it state that it was Blade's decision to have him watching Starbrand?


They're not THAT bonded, you're making him out as if its a symbiote, when it's more akin to Batman and Jarro.

False point on the decision making, btw. The best displays of this bond - when they fought Surfer/Glads/Firelord (really, the only time they've actually fought together like this) it was BT's decision, not Blade's.

Yea this is a level of willful ignorance. Is it CIS when Blade decides not to use his guns? When he decides to not use his glaives? No, Blade is a character with variable gear. Standard Equipment is meant to give us a guide on what the character would happen on a standard outing. We've seen that on Blade's independent outings and when he's on stand-by he has boy-thing.

You're also betraying a level of bias here. We have decades of Blade comics and in the majority he does not use guns. In the past few years, Blae has used boy-thing *more* than he has used guns. However he has been shown using them consistently enough for us to consider them a part of his standard gear. The same applies to boy-thing.

You also keep pulling different issues from the same exact span of time. That is not another story you found, the comic you just pulled is literally a magical illusion in Blade's mind that occurred at Avengers mansion.

You also aren't at all being consistent. You said you were bringing up story arcs and then shifted your goalposts. Is the epilogue of a story not a part of the story? When the characters are literally actively still covered in blood from the story in question, how is that not actively a part of that story? Moreover, how do you think Boy-Thing got the Frost Giant blood on him that Blade is licking off? This issue shows how Blade was using boy-thing to travel on his missions during War of the Realms.

The "doesn't bring him along" argument is also ridiculous. During the story he has boy-thing, through the entire first conflict he has boy-thing, and eventually he decides to set boy-thing aside after he is wounded. That is not an example of someone just leaving something behind. If batman could somehow wound boy-thing before a fight began, then maybe Blade would decide not to bring him. On a standard patrol, we've seen Blade brings boy-thing and on select missions he might decide against it.

re: whether it was boy-thing or blade's decision doesn't matter. that's irrelevant when we're discussing symbiotic characters. for the vast majority of boy-things appearances he's been displayed a symbiotic character. he's introduced as a part of the shadow colonel's arsenal. if we were to have a "shadow colonel vs." thread, no one would argue that boy-thing isn't considered a part of the character because there's a clear symbiotic connection. Your argument is that Blade doesn't use him enough for it to be considered symbiotic, but the idea that boy-thing doesn't count as a symbiotic character is ridiculous and isn't going to be entertained anymore.

It's the same with the King in Black point. It's silly. You cannot argue that he inexplicably isn't making use of boy-thing during an on-going storyline when we have very clear evidence in a story focusing on Blade's adventures during King in Black depict him with boy-thing.

Trackz
Originally posted by Sin I AM
What's interesting is that even though Blade is already meta-level in stats people are arguing he needs an additional buff just to contend with standard Batman.

has nothing to do with need. would've been happy to have this fight if it was stated that Blade didn't have standard gear, or only had swords/guns and whatever that might be. the fight is stated to be standard gear though. the idea that this needs to be a discussion when blade has had boy-thing for 2 years now is foolish.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Trackz
Yea this is a level of willful ignorance. Is it CIS when Blade decides not to use his guns? When he decides to not use his glaives? No, Blade is a character with variable gear. Standard Equipment is meant to give us a guide on what the character would happen on a standard outing. We've seen that on Blade's independent outings and when he's on stand-by he has boy-thing.

You're also betraying a level of bias here. We have decades of Blade comics and in the majority he does not use guns. In the past few years, Blae has used boy-thing *more* than he has used guns. However he has been shown using them consistently enough for us to consider them a part of his standard gear. The same applies to boy-thing.

You also keep pulling different issues from the same exact span of time. That is not another story you found, the comic you just pulled is literally a magical illusion in Blade's mind that occurred at Avengers mansion.

You also aren't at all being consistent. You said you were bringing up story arcs and then shifted your goalposts. Is the epilogue of a story not a part of the story? When the characters are literally actively still covered in blood from the story in question, how is that not actively a part of that story? Moreover, how do you think Boy-Thing got the Frost Giant blood on him that Blade is licking off? This issue shows how Blade was using boy-thing to travel on his missions during War of the Realms.

The "doesn't bring him along" argument is also ridiculous. During the story he has boy-thing, through the entire first conflict he has boy-thing, and eventually he decides to set boy-thing aside after he is wounded. That is not an example of someone just leaving something behind. If batman could somehow wound boy-thing before a fight began, then maybe Blade would decide not to bring him. On a standard patrol, we've seen Blade brings boy-thing and on select missions he might decide against it.

re: whether it was boy-thing or blade's decision doesn't matter. that's irrelevant when we're discussing symbiotic characters. for the vast majority of boy-things appearances he's been displayed a symbiotic character. he's introduced as a part of the shadow colonel's arsenal. if we were to have a "shadow colonel vs." thread, no one would argue that boy-thing isn't considered a part of the character because there's a clear symbiotic connection. Your argument is that Blade doesn't use him enough for it to be considered symbiotic, but the idea that boy-thing doesn't count as a symbiotic character is ridiculous and isn't going to be entertained anymore.

It's the same with the King in Black point. It's silly. You cannot argue that he inexplicably isn't making use of boy-thing during an on-going storyline when we have very clear evidence in a story focusing on Blade's adventures during King in Black depict him with boy-thing.

Well if you also want to disregard Blade's guns, be my guest. I am 100% in favour of being consistent and striking them out, lol.

The pulling of different issues was because you said in tie-ins, Blade was depicted with BT. I was showing actually, this was NOT the case in War of the Realms.

The epilogue is not part of the War, no.

Avengers #18 cover:
https://i.postimg.cc/5NQ1PKL1/RCO001-1556113164.jpg

#19:
https://i.postimg.cc/Vkyw29Wt/RCO001-1558531659.jpg

#20:
https://i.postimg.cc/L4b23FqN/RCO001-1561566979.jpg

(seeing a pattern?)

#21, the scan which has the only time BT is shown:
https://i.postimg.cc/5yTJ48cZ/RCO001-1562750858.jpg

Inside #21:
https://i.postimg.cc/d3Lvc4f2/RCO002-1562750858.jpg

So DURING War of the Realms, BT wasn't even seen.

I then looked at the actual War of the Realms book. Perhaps we see Blade using BT to travel around.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And here is every appearance of Blade in the War of the Realms book proper:

https://i.postimg.cc/tYMpGBfL/09-10.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/18VPmp14/11-16.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/LnX2Wcyt/13-11.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/KKXbRRmf/19-11.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hJ9BxcjB/24-6.jpg

No BT.

You are also being misleading (again). Blade isn't licking Frost Giant blood off BT - he's telling Jen he can practically taste the blood in the air, there is so much of it:
https://i.postimg.cc/7Yzw7jXF/RCO010-1562750858.jpg

But let's reverse it. Post ALL the times Blade uses BT in battle. Every single time.

We have his feat against Surfer/Glads and Firelord (which was all in....1?2? issues). We have the scene which you misremembered as Blade licking BT (lol). Anything else? 5-6 pages, or 2-3 issues out of 2 years' worth of comics isn't saying much. I've shown Blade having a fair few appearances in the past two years, should be easy for you to post some more instances of him fighting with BT.....

And please don't use a future comic. We have specific rules against that:


I have already posted all the showings of Blade SO FAR in KiB - no BT.

DarkSaint85
Finally found it - but couldn't edit in time....

Having BT in this thread is like me arguing that Batmite is in the thread lol.

https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.WqA8~2eefa/w:600/h:409/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Image-21.jpg

He's always watching over Bats. His guardian angel.

But that's a stupid argument, and one that I am not arguing - because it's, well, stupid.

But feel free to showcase all the times Blade brings BT into a fight and uses him. Obviously not THAT symbiotic, seeing as all of the scans I've been posting have Blade and BT apart....

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well if you also want to disregard Blade's guns, be my guest. I am 100% in favour of being consistent and striking them out, lol.

The pulling of different issues was because you said in tie-ins, Blade was depicted with BT. I was showing actually, this was NOT the case in War of the Realms.

The epilogue is not part of the War, no.

Avengers #18 cover:
https://i.postimg.cc/5NQ1PKL1/RCO001-1556113164.jpg

#19:
https://i.postimg.cc/Vkyw29Wt/RCO001-1558531659.jpg

#20:
https://i.postimg.cc/L4b23FqN/RCO001-1561566979.jpg

(seeing a pattern?)

#21, the scan which has the only time BT is shown:
https://i.postimg.cc/5yTJ48cZ/RCO001-1562750858.jpg

Inside #21:
https://i.postimg.cc/d3Lvc4f2/RCO002-1562750858.jpg

So DURING War of the Realms, BT wasn't even seen.

I then looked at the actual War of the Realms book. Perhaps we see Blade using BT to travel around.


You are also being misleading (again). Blade isn't licking Frost Giant blood off BT - he's telling Jen he can practically taste the blood in the air, there is so much of it:
https://i.postimg.cc/7Yzw7jXF/RCO010-1562750858.jpg

But let's reverse it. Post ALL the times Blade uses BT in battle. Every single time.

We have his feat against Surfer/Glads and Firelord (which was all in....1?2? issues). We have the scene which you misremembered as Blade licking BT (lol). Anything else? 5-6 pages, or 2-3 issues out of 2 years' worth of comics isn't saying much. I've shown Blade having a fair few appearances in the past two years, should be easy for you to post some more instances of him fighting with BT.....

And please don't use a future comic. We have specific rules against that:


I have already posted all the showings of Blade SO FAR in KiB - no BT.

The key point isn't that you're being consistent, you're reinventing the definition of standard equipment for the purposes of this fight and being willfully ignorant that standard equipment often looks different for character that often have variable equipment. In each story for the last story, we either see Blade with boy-thing or are given an explanation for why Blade intentionally didn't bring boy-thing with the exception of the Khonshu arc.

You yourself have argued that some of the abilities Blade has displayed came about from boy-things own willingness to protect him evidencing a symbiotic relationship. But more counter evidence to the position is that Blade uses boy-thing to fly from the tower after war of the realms. If you acknowledge that Blade has no inherent knowledge of Boy-thing's abilities and we never saw the Shadow Colonel do such a thing, that he learned this from....making use of this ability at some point prior to this. Given that

Google what an epilogue is.

Just stop this.

The issue is literally featured in Marvel's official collection of War of the Realms: Avengers

https://www.marvel.com/comics/collection/71060/ avengers_by_jason_aaron_vol_4_war_of_the_realms_tr
ade_paperback


https://www.marvel.com/comics/collection/71060/ avengers_by_jason_aaron_vol_4_war_of_the_realms_tr
ade_paperback

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I'm not being misleading. You can see the scan clearly. He says he can taste the blood as he licks Boy-Thing. Did you post the scan and then...just ignore the image? So here's what you have to account for:

1. How does boy-thing, how has Blade learned to use boy-thing for travel?

2. How does boy-thing have frost giant blood on him?


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Go bring the mod in re: the preview. Again, you cannot make the point that a character is absent from an event in your argument and then dismiss preview that said character is actually in the event. The preview is not being used as evidence of a feat, but that it is foolish to make conclusive statements about an on-going event. It's plainly demonstrates your "absence of evidence" fallacy.

You're also redefining what standard equipment is. Standard equipment has nothing to do with standard USE, it has to do with what can normally expected to be on the character at the time of conflict.

We've seen when Blade prepares to go on solo mission, boy-thing has been with him every time:
1. when moving into the avengers mansion

2. when moving out of avengers mansion

3. when traveling from the tower for his solo missions

we've seen there are explicit times when he will decide against using boy-thing (after boy-thing has been injured or if he is needed elsewhere).

the batmite argument is stupid, because batmite hasn't been relevant to batman for the last two years of his appearances.

So arguments of yours that have been dismissed:

1. Blade didn't not use Boy-thing in War of Realms?

False. We see Blade licking frost giant blood from boy-thing in issue #21, and we see that he has been using boy-thing to travel on his solo missions.

2. Blade didn't use boy-thing in King in Black?

False. This is an on-going event and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Given the fact that we have plain context that advertises said character in the event, this is a dishonest position. Even on its face it would be foolish as the event has not concluded, it's especially ridiculous in context of clear evidence of the contrary.

3. Blade hasn't used Boy-thing in the majority of his missions?

Now we know this is false. We know he's used in king in black, but if we suspend that as an on-going event, boy-thing has been used in:

1. Vampire War

2. War of the Realms

3. Race of the Ghost Riders

4. Star-Brand reborn

The khonshu arc (where he is a periphery character) is the only arc in which it isn't explained why boy-thing isn't around. The phoenix arc explicitly states that they had boy-thing watch the starbrand.

So four major arcs over 2 years in addition the present arc where they have to explicitly state why Blade isn't with boy-thing. AKA it is narratively important to explain when Blade and boy-thing aren't connected.

If you can demonstrate batmite has been consistently characterized as being bonded to batman for a period of 2 years as evidenced by repeated appearances with said character, then yea he would be standard gear.

leonidas
Sounds like standard gear for me at this point. thumb up

Parmaniac
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Finally found it - but couldn't edit in time....

Having BT in this thread is like me arguing that Batmite is in the thread lol.

https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.WqA8~2eefa/w:600/h:409/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Image-21.jpg

He's always watching over Bats. His guardian angel.

But that's a stupid argument, and one that I am not arguing - because it's, well, stupid.

But feel free to showcase all the times Blade brings BT into a fight and uses him. Obviously not THAT symbiotic, seeing as all of the scans I've been posting have Blade and BT apart.... Now no fight of Batman can be used anymore because Batmite was watching him and he's not in Batman threads since he's an entirely different character thumb up

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Trackz
The key point isn't that you're being consistent, you're reinventing the definition of standard equipment for the purposes of this fight and being willfully ignorant that standard equipment often looks different for character that often have variable equipment. In each story for the last story, we either see Blade with boy-thing or are given an explanation for why Blade intentionally didn't bring boy-thing with the exception of the Khonshu arc.

You yourself have argued that some of the abilities Blade has displayed came about from boy-things own willingness to protect him evidencing a symbiotic relationship. But more counter evidence to the position is that Blade uses boy-thing to fly from the tower after war of the realms. If you acknowledge that Blade has no inherent knowledge of Boy-thing's abilities and we never saw the Shadow Colonel do such a thing, that he learned this from....making use of this ability at some point prior to this. Given that

Google what an epilogue is.

Just stop this.

The issue is literally featured in Marvel's official collection of War of the Realms: Avengers

https://www.marvel.com/comics/collection/71060/ avengers_by_jason_aaron_vol_4_war_of_the_realms_tr
ade_paperback


https://www.marvel.com/comics/collection/71060/ avengers_by_jason_aaron_vol_4_war_of_the_realms_tr
ade_paperback

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I'm not being misleading. You can see the scan clearly. He says he can taste the blood as he licks Boy-Thing. Did you post the scan and then...just ignore the image? So here's what you have to account for:

1. How does boy-thing, how has Blade learned to use boy-thing for travel?

2. How does boy-thing have frost giant blood on him?


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Go bring the mod in re: the preview. Again, you cannot make the point that a character is absent from an event in your argument and then dismiss preview that said character is actually in the event. The preview is not being used as evidence of a feat, but that it is foolish to make conclusive statements about an on-going event. It's plainly demonstrates your "absence of evidence" fallacy.

You're also redefining what standard equipment is. Standard equipment has nothing to do with standard USE, it has to do with what can normally expected to be on the character at the time of conflict.

We've seen when Blade prepares to go on solo mission, boy-thing has been with him every time:
1. when moving into the avengers mansion

2. when moving out of avengers mansion

3. when traveling from the tower for his solo missions

we've seen there are explicit times when he will decide against using boy-thing (after boy-thing has been injured or if he is needed elsewhere).

the batmite argument is stupid, because batmite hasn't been relevant to batman for the last two years of his appearances.

So arguments of yours that have been dismissed:

1. Blade didn't not use Boy-thing in War of Realms?

False. We see Blade licking frost giant blood from boy-thing in issue #21, and we see that he has been using boy-thing to travel on his solo missions.

2. Blade didn't use boy-thing in King in Black?

False. This is an on-going event and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Given the fact that we have plain context that advertises said character in the event, this is a dishonest position. Even on its face it would be foolish as the event has not concluded, it's especially ridiculous in context of clear evidence of the contrary.

3. Blade hasn't used Boy-thing in the majority of his missions?

Now we know this is false. We know he's used in king in black, but if we suspend that as an on-going event, boy-thing has been used in:

1. Vampire War

2. War of the Realms

3. Race of the Ghost Riders

4. Star-Brand reborn

The khonshu arc (where he is a periphery character) is the only arc in which it isn't explained why boy-thing isn't around. The phoenix arc explicitly states that they had boy-thing watch the starbrand.

So four major arcs over 2 years in addition the present arc where they have to explicitly state why Blade isn't with boy-thing. AKA it is narratively important to explain when Blade and boy-thing aren't connected.

If you can demonstrate batmite has been consistently characterized as being bonded to batman for a period of 2 years as evidenced by repeated appearances with said character, then yea he would be standard gear.

That's a lot of words, and zero scans, to tell me you have none.

StiltmanFTW
It's funny how Blade always needs a huge amp to matter in the Marvel Universe shifty

Remember Switchblade? vin

leonidas
laughing out loud

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's a lot of words, and zero scans, to tell me you have none.

Ok so you're clearly conceding the point.

If anyone wants to continue the discussion now that his point has been put to bed, i would be happy to.

Trackz
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's funny how Blade always needs a huge amp to matter in the Marvel Universe shifty

Remember Switchblade? vin He was handling wolverine just fine without amps rolling on floor laughing

Bentley
Batman being overpowered by the Boy Thing sounds like he kind of thing Batman would enjoy

MrMind
batman vs joe biden

Smurph
Originally posted by Bentley
Batman being overpowered by the Boy Thing sounds like he kind of thing Batman would enjoy laughing out loud

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Trackz
Ok so you're clearly conceding the point.

If anyone wants to continue the discussion now that his point has been put to bed, i would be happy to.

You have made no point. I asked for scans of it being standard equipment - and you have not provided any.

It wasn't used in the War of the Realms - please post scans of him using it IN THE War.

It wasn't used in Race of the Ghost Riders.

Vampire War was it's first appearance, surely you are not counting when it hopped onto him??

War of the Realms:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And here is every appearance of Blade in the War of the Realms book proper:

https://i.postimg.cc/tYMpGBfL/09-10.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/18VPmp14/11-16.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/LnX2Wcyt/13-11.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/KKXbRRmf/19-11.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hJ9BxcjB/24-6.jpg

No BT.

Standard outing. Didn't even bring BT along.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Trackz
Blade has been on the Avengers for 2 years now. When depicted in the avengers in other books like ant-man, boy-thing is shown with him.

This isn't a good argument.

Lmao.

THIS is the proof, eh?

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZfMdmTN/RCO010-1583939867.jpg

Wow. Standard equipment, I see.

StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud

Is this thread even real?

MrMind
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud

Is this thread even real?

NOTICE MEEEEEE!!!

StiltmanFTW
https://i.imgur.com/gGmVBXF.gif

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao.

THIS is the proof, eh?

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZfMdmTN/RCO010-1583939867.jpg

Wow. Standard equipment, I see.

Literally yes. This is embarrassing for you at this point.

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You have made no point. I asked for scans of it being standard equipment - and you have not provided any.

It wasn't used in the War of the Realms - please post scans of him using it IN THE War.

It wasn't used in Race of the Ghost Riders.

Vampire War was it's first appearance, surely you are not counting when it hopped onto him??

War of the Realms:



Standard outing. Didn't even bring BT along.

Standard equipment does not mean standard use. That is not in the definition.

Standard equipment references what they are likely to have in a standard mission.

Once again in the majority of arcs that Blade has been apart of, he has been depicted with boy-thing. This INCLUDES War of the Realms, as Blade is depicted with boy-thing in Marvel's official collection of War of the Realms: Avengers stories.

In addition, why would the first time he gets said equipment not count as an arc in which he is depicted with said equipment. Your argument is terrible.

Stoic
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well...never said he did.

The gargoyle he caught was halfway up the building. So halve the height of that skyscraper, and that's the speed he was at when he caught it (after being stabbed and kicked out some pretty tough glass).

All without his armour, which was my main point.

Other Comic Book peak humans are capable of the same. Take the Punisher, Daredevil, Nightwing, Conan, Red Sonja and so many others as an example. Batman should not be given special treatment. He isn't a Meta, he's peak human.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Trackz
Standard equipment does not mean standard use. That is not in the definition.

Standard equipment references what they are likely to have in a standard mission.

Once again in the majority of arcs that Blade has been apart of, he has been depicted with boy-thing. This INCLUDES War of the Realms, as Blade is depicted with boy-thing in Marvel's official collection of War of the Realms: Avengers stories.

In addition, why would the first time he gets said equipment not count as an arc in which he is depicted with said equipment. Your argument is terrible.

Ok, then show Blade taking him on a mission, apart from the 2-3 instances in 2 years.

Because I can show more times he's not on Blade in a mission.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Stoic
Other Comic Book peak humans are capable of the same. Take the Punisher, Daredevil, Nightwing, Conan, Red Sonja and so many others as an example. Batman should not be given special treatment. He isn't a Meta, he's peak human.

You are moving the goalposts.

Your initial point was that he'd be a smear. I showed this to be wrong.

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok, then show Blade taking him on a mission, apart from the 2-3 instances in 2 years.

Because I can show more times he's not on Blade in a mission.

"2-3" instances you mean "2-3 multiple issue arcs" This is embarrassing. He's brought boy-thing on the majority of his missions since getting him, and when he didn't it's explicitly stated why he left him behind or its because boy-thing was injured in a previous battle. you're flailing here.

DarkSaint85
So post the scans of Blade bringing BT to fight Malekiths forces. Let's start slow. Blade even got a special little squad with a special mission against Malekith, so should be plenty of nice scans there.

Trackz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So post the scans of Blade bringing BT to fight Malekiths forces. Let's start slow. Blade even got a special little squad with a special mission against Malekith, so should be plenty of nice scans there.

I don't need to start anywhere, you've lost the point. In the majority of the story arcs he's been a part of, he's brought boy-thing. in war of the realms, we still see him with boy-thing. you saying "well he didn't have boy-thing at this moment in this storyline", is not a counterpoint when we see him consequently use boy-thing to travel in the same story line.

Standard equipment is the equipment they are often depicted with. In the majority of his arcs, he's had boy-thing with him. That is standard equipment. Moreso than his guns, than his stakes, than his explosives (all of which would be standard equipment because we've seen him use them on occasions without prep).

This is the point, if we've seen a character have a particular item repeatedly, over a period of years, its going to be standard equipment. Your argument is nonsensical and it is not how we evaluate standard equipment for any other character. Because Deadpool doesn't use grenades in every single arc, and in some cases we don't even see them, doesn't mean they aren't standard equipment. We've seen them on him in enough arcs without prep to establish that as standard equipment.

The point is done and you're flailing at this point. It was clear to the other user in here arguing for batman, it was clear to anyone who's read Blade, it was clear to other users who read through and decided to start additional threads after reading the exchange. You tried, good job.

Now that the point is decided, I am happy to engage with anyone else who is actually interested in this debate, as opposed to you who shifts goalposts and reinvents definitions with every post.

DarkSaint85
Lmao.

So in short,zero.

Please post scans, anything, of him bringing BT to battle with Malekiths forces. Then we can move on from there.

Hell, I might even allow covers and alt. covers laughing out loud

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Trackz
"what I'm peddling" what is this? so Batman has never taken off his belt before? throughout the avengers run Blade is regularly shown with boy-thing and they've developed a symbiotic relationship. When boy-thing gets left behind, it's for his own protection at times but he is regularly with Blade on missions.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-2782847.jpg?1610829860

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Your original point. Which was backed up by......a scans that goes against forum rules laughing out loud

Nice one.

Stoic
Why can't Boy Thing be Blades standard equipment? What's the big deal? Why do those scans go against forum rules?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Stoic
Why can't Boy Thing be Blades standard equipment? What's the big deal? Why do those scans go against forum rules?

Forum rules state that future previews are inadmissible.

He posted the cover to a comic that is only going to be released in April - you and I both know comic covers are shaky at best.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Why wouldn't it be standard gear? He's used him in pretty much every fight since.......

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Why wouldn't it be standard gear? He's used him in pretty much every fight since.......

He has?

OK, post them. For every fight you post, I will post....2, where he doesn't even bring him along (not even talking about using him now lol).

AlbertoJohnAvil
Take BT as if he is a symbiote, It's not that hard to understand ffs

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Take BT as if he is a symbiote, It's not that hard to understand ffs

You said he has used him in "pretty much EVERY fight since" (emphasis mine).

So prove it, or shut it.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You said he has used him in "pretty much EVERY fight since" (emphasis mine).

So prove it, or shut it.

I misremembered, it's still standard gear. If He's shown to have Boy Thing with him multiple times and has used it more than twice, it counts. The symbiote example is spot on

Stoic
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Forum rules state that future previews are inadmissible.

He posted the cover to a comic that is only going to be released in April - you and I both know comic covers are shaky at best.

Ahhh. Very true. But his other scans show Blade with BT more than the 2 times that you cited. Correct?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I misremembered, it's still standard gear. If He's shown to have Boy Thing with him multiple times and has used it more than twice, it counts. The symbiote example is spot on

Concession accepted laughing out loud

Define MULTIPLE times, especially in a fight. Blade hasn't shown that.

I'm not talking about Blade walking around chilling with BT on his shoulder. I'm talking about Blade bringing BT to a fight.

Originally posted by Stoic
Ahhh. Very true. But his other scans show Blade with BT more than the 2 times that you cited. Correct?

In a fight? No, he didn't. That's why we're arguing lol.

And I said 2-3.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Concession accepted laughing out loud

Define MULTIPLE times, especially in a fight. Blade hasn't shown that.

I'm not talking about Blade walking around chilling with BT on his shoulder. I'm talking about Blade bringing BT to a fight.



In a fight? No, he didn't. That's why we're arguing lol.

And I said 2-3.

SO gladiator, fighting the heralds isn't bringing him into battle? Heck the whole silver surfer part, BT was there while they whre going after Silver Surfer.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
SO gladiator, fighting the heralds isn't bringing him into battle? Heck the whole silver surfer part, BT was there while they whre going after Silver Surfer.

Yes, that's one.

Never said it didn't happen.

And then?

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