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I think this was inevitable post Trump. There was going to be a lot of "soul searching" among some of the GOP while others were going to try to continue riding Trump's coat tails for as long as it would be politically beneficial for them and it would inevitably cause conflict.

Shows that Trump still has a great deal of influence, which is unique for a losing candidate but his loss was also unique in that despite losing he got a great deal of votes.

Originally posted by BackFire
I think this was inevitable post Trump. There was going to be a lot of "soul searching" among some of the GOP while others were going to try to continue riding Trump's coat tails for as long as it would be politically beneficial for them and it would inevitably cause conflict.

Shows that Trump still has a great deal of influence, which is unique for a losing candidate but his loss was also unique in that despite losing he got a great deal of votes. I mean I feel this was kind of inevitable even before Trump.

The GOP for awhile, and more out in the open during Obama, had started to retain power by appealing to the lowest common denominator of their party.

Hooking into the socially conservative religion of the average member of their party then feeding it and bringing it to a boil.

The problem is Trump came in and became the face of that movement. Once that happened and it wasn't the handpicked choice of the Republicans then all you're left with is them fighting to regain control of their party/the newer Republican that is trying to feed off of it.

The biggest hurdle for the non-Trumper GOP member is they've spent years saying similar things to Trump so if they turn away from that propaganda it's going to look bad on them. The Trumpers will hate them and the more moderate base has already kind of turned from them.

See when you deplete education standards so low in order to keep people too dumb to realise you're a robbing, snake oil peddler...Well this is what happens.

I'm praying every single day that Trump decides to run third party.

The old guard (plus those sucked away from Trump by 2024) of the GOP will not want him as their candidate in 2024, even if he could win, which is not likely, he'd only be a one term POTUS and you want someone capable of pulling two terms. Trump trying will tear the GOP up even more.

If he runs 3rd party, the "Patriot Party", he'll siphon just enough votes away to make it nigh impossible for whomever is the GOP candidate to win.



edit: We could have another Tea Party-like rift within the GOP with the Patriot Party.

Originally posted by truejedi
I'm praying every single day that Trump decides to run third party.


Problem is without the threat of a proper challenge the Dems will have literally zero reason to become more progressive. Because they will win by default every time anyway.

Originally posted by truejedi
I'm praying every single day that Trump decides to run third party.

There was a recent poll showing that if he did he'd get more votes than the GOP candidate would. It would fracture the GOP and guarantee a dem win, and the GOP would come in third.

Don't know, really depends who the GOP candidate is in 2024 and where the country is. Trump's going to keep losing people as time goes by, his cult-core will stay with him of course.

He'll definitely take away enough votes to guarantee a Dem win though.

The was said here with Nigel Farage with both UKIP and the Brexit Party. The theory was his parties would take votes from the Tory Party and guarantee a Labour Party win. The Tories used exactly that rhetoric to their base. "Vote UKIP, get Labour" and in the end UKIP and the Brexit Party ended up with very little votes and never won a single MP.

"Vote Trump, get socialism." Etc

Did/does Farage have a core base that follows him like he's a cult leader, believing everything he says?

"Vote Trump, get socialism", won't work on Trump's core, they'll call anyone saying that a "Recucklican", "deep state cuck" or similar, as they've done so already. They'll be Trumping it up four years from now and you don't need a huge number of votes siphoned away from the GOP candidate for a guaranteed loss, especially in a close election.

Though I do maintain that Trump's core will shrink with each passing year.

Yes. Check the sycophantic types on his Facebook page.

The irony is that there's now been 3 elections where huge numbers of people said they were going to vote for his party then didn't and then proclaimed they regretted not voting for him because the tories "betrayed" them then they did the same at the next election and again at the one after that.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7637239/Vote-Farage-Corbyn-Tories-miss-nearly-90-seats-Brexit-Party-splits-vote.html

https://uk.reuters.com/article/britain-election-farage-conservatives/voting-for-nigel-farage-will-not-get-brexit-done-conservative-party-idUSL9N26F02Q

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-19/brexit-party-peterborough-nigel-farage-denies-voting-brexit-party-split-leave-vote-lead-to-corbyn-government-general-election-2019

Here's the effect it can have.

Voting intentions had Brexit Party at 13%
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Their actual vote share ended up 2%

Originally posted by jaden_2.0


Their actual vote share ended up 2%


Do you really think that's all Trump would be capable of pulling if he ran under his own new 'Patriot Party'?

Keilar calls out Ted Cruz backpedaling on election challenge

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When Cruz runs in 2024, his Republican competition will be rolling out the tapes.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Problem is without the threat of a proper challenge the Dems will have literally zero reason to become more progressive. Because they will win by default every time anyway.

To the contrary, it would free Democrats to pursue a more progressive agenda. If the Republican vote is split, Democrats no longer have to worry about appealing to this retrograde soft-conservatism to win elections.

The reason Republicans do everything they can to prevent Democrats from having policy wins like the ACA, is because they know that once people experience Democratic policies in action, they will like them. Their strategy is to fear-monger about Democrats in general, and Democratic policies in particular, so people will be too scared to support them.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
The was said here with Nigel Farage with both UKIP and the Brexit Party. The theory was his parties would take votes from the Tory Party and guarantee a Labour Party win. The Tories used exactly that rhetoric to their base. "Vote UKIP, get Labour" and in the end UKIP and the Brexit Party ended up with very little votes and never won a single MP.

"Vote Trump, get socialism." Etc


Not comparable in the least. Trump is by far the most popular Republican.

And say what you want about Farage, but no one can deny his mission was a Huge Success.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Here's the effect it can have.

Voting intentions had Brexit Party at 13%

Their actual vote share ended up 2%

That's a bit unfair though, Farage basically said the Tories will deliver and decided to only contest Labour and LibDem seats, which obviously helped the Tories out immensely.

I think the my pillow guy is gonna commit suicide

Originally posted by Robtard
Keilar calls out Ted Cruz backpedaling on election challenge

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When Cruz runs in 2024, his Republican competition will be rolling out the tapes. I mean we knew Ted Cruz was a backpedaler for awhile. He only cares about riding the coattails of whatever will get him more power and influence.

Originally posted by Robtard
Do you really think that's all Trump would be capable of pulling if he ran under his own new 'Patriot Party'?

As a Republican he had a well oiled, highly experienced electoral machine behind him in 2016 and 2020. As an independent or another party it'd be interesting to see which, if any, Republican strategists would defect to him. If his election team would end up as incompetent as his legal team then it wouldn't bode well.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
As a Republican he had a well oiled, highly experienced electoral machine behind him in 2016 and 2020. As an independent or another party it'd be interesting to see which, if any, Republican strategists would defect to him. If his election team would end up as incompetent as his legal team then it wouldn't bode well. I think quite a few would be willing to defect because of the money Trump's name generate from his followers.

It would be a very lucrative campaign for them.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
As a Republican he had a well oiled, highly experienced electoral machine behind him in 2016 and 2020. As an independent or another party it'd be interesting to see which, if any, Republican strategists would defect to him. If his election team would end up as incompetent as his legal team then it wouldn't bode well.

Were they incompetent?

I mean, legal wants to get paid. Giving the best legal advice in an absolutely doomed campaign your client insisted on waging is probably a net positive for them, as prospective clients will think "We can depend on them to stick by us, instead of abandoning us if the ship starts sinking".

Legal teams also consider their reputations. Taking on unwinnable cases and putting mentally ill people on the stand to testify as key witnesses in hearings that would be broadcast around the world isn't really going to do you much good with future clients.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Legal teams also consider their reputations. Taking on unwinnable cases and putting mentally ill people on the stand to testify as key witnesses in hearings that would be broadcast around the world isn't really going to do you much good with future clients.

If the client has integrity.

Plenty of fat cats out there who lack that.

Originally posted by Newjak
I think quite a few would be willing to defect because of the money Trump's name generate from his followers.

It would be a very lucrative campaign for them.

Presidential election campaigns are lucrative regardless. $14,000,000,000 in 2020.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Legal teams also consider their reputations. Taking on unwinnable cases and putting mentally ill people on the stand to testify as key witnesses in hearings that would be broadcast around the world isn't really going to do you much good with future clients.


You're talking about Melissa Carone, right?

Originally posted by Robtard
You're talking about Melissa Carone, right?

The ranting blond woman who was an utter embarrassment.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
The ranting blond woman who was an utter embarrassment.

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I'm sure you'll be shocked to hear that it seems she wasn't in "IT support" for Dominion as she claimed, but in the janitorial field.

I'm shocked she even has a job.

Originally posted by Robtard
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I'm sure you'll be shocked to hear that it seems she wasn't in "IT support" for Dominion as she claimed, but in the janitorial field. What the GOP overblowing someone's credentials to make them sound more credible then they are...no way

Less than 5 minutes of vetting would have let them know that putting Melissa Carone up as a 'star witness', let alone any kind of witness, would be a terrible idea.

Originally posted by cdtm
If the client has integrity.

Plenty of fat cats out there who lack that.

Law firms don't really care whether their clients have integrity or morals. They care about whether they can win cases.

The party identifies with the past, and in simplest terms, time does not favor those who resist change. That which does not adapt does not survive. But they're trying to, by desperately embracing the formerly untapped power of the Hate Demographic: the frightened, noisy residue of a Vanilla Male Hegemony, itself a withering relic of the past.

God Bless the true Republicans like Mitt Romney. I still may never vote for him because of his policies, but at least he -- and others -- have shown the strength of character, the courage, to do the right thing.

Liz Cheney survived the Trump-Republican lead move to stripe her of her position last night. She will retain her House Republican Conference Chair, the 3rd highest position in the House for her party.

This was pure retaliation because she was one of the few Republicans to vote yes on impeaching Trump.

More than 100 influential Republicans plan to release a call for reforms within the GOP alongside a threat to form a new party if change isn't forthcoming, a person familiar with the effort said.

The statement, set to be released Thursday, involves a "Call for American Renewal," a credo that declares that it is imperative to "either reimagine a party dedicated to our founding ideals or else hasten the creation of such an alternative." The push will include 13 yet-to-be-revealed principles that the signatories want the GOP to embrace.

This is not the first group to form as the pro-Trump and traditional conservative factions of the Republican Party remain at loggerheads. The new effort comes as a vote looms to oust Liz Cheney of Wyoming from the number three House Republican leadership post for her refusal to stay silent about Donald Trump's repeated election lies and his role in the January 6th riot at the U.S. Capitol.

One of the organizers is Miles Taylor, a former Trump official who, as "Anonymous," wrote an op-ed in The New York Times blasting the Trump administration in 2018.

"We're going give the GOP one last chance to get its act together and moderate, but we're not going to hold our breath. We're ready to get out there and fight against the radical elements in the party to try to excise those elements from within the GOP and our national politics and to try to invest in the deeper pro-democracy bench."

Taylor suggested that the nascent movement will work to back candidates who support its principles, whether they are moderates or independents.

"Enough is enough, and the GOP has had enough time to decide whether it's going to separate itself from a man who is a chronic loser," he said, referring to Trump, predicting a "raging civil war" if the rest of the party doesn't get on board.

So the GOP may actually tear itself apart?

I say:

Originally posted by Robtard
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Not so Grand anymore.

Couldn't happen to a nicer group

Hey, you know how the rest of the world says there is no American left?

What if the Democrats were really the far right all along, and the Republicans are so far right to them they're off the deep end? Maybe if the GoP dies, we can make a real left party to counter the "not really left" Democrats?

It sounds like you're coping :/

Originally posted by Robtard
It sounds like you're coping :/

I was just thinking about a Freudian slip a guy on CNN made calling the left the "far right".

What if it "wasn't" a slip, and we've all been duped by the far right all along?


I mean, the man did say "Why worry about opposition when you can become it".

Originally posted by cdtm
Hey, you know how the rest of the world says there is no American left?

What if the Democrats were really the far right all along, and the Republicans are so far right to them they're off the deep end? Maybe if the GoP dies, we can make a real left party to counter the "not really left" Democrats?

Without at least free healthcare for all (which even our Tories would never dare completely eliminate), your democrats dont really seem that left to the rest of the world. I agree to that. Centre at best (with some culture war wokeness stuff to give the illusion of leftists).

That said, you clearly do have some actual lefties in the party, who seem to have had some kind of positive influence. Whereas your Republicans dont even pretend to care about the average working man at all. I mean not even one of them voted for a decent cheque to people 1 year into a pandemic. Add Trump to the mix, and yeah your Republicans did just seem crazy level far right.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Without at least free healthcare for all (which even our Tories would never dare completely eliminate), your democrats dont really seem that left to the rest of the world. I agree to that. Centre at best (with some culture war wokeness stuff to give the illusion of leftists).

That said, you clearly do have some actual lefties in the party, who seem to have had some kind of positive influence. Whereas your Republicans dont even pretend to care about the average working man at all. I mean not even one of them voted for a decent cheque to people 1 year into a pandemic. Add Trump to the mix, and yeah your Republicans did just seem crazy level far right.


Good points.

It just seems like the real lefties don't really win over the new-liberals. I mean, you could argue Obamacare is something the health care industry wants because it mandates everyone has insurance, which means more money in the coffer's of private insurers.

Somehow, it seems like no matter what, big business sits on their perch and never really gets threatened by our social politics. And that's not good... It makes our government look like a figurehead for big money interests.

Originally posted by cdtm
Good points.

It just seems like the real lefties don't really win over the new-liberals. I mean, you could argue Obamacare is something the health care industry wants because it mandates everyone has insurance, which means more money in the coffer's of private insurers.

Somehow, it seems like no matter what, big business sits on their perch and never really gets threatened by our social politics. And that's not good... It makes our government look like a figurehead for big money interests. Actually as far as I'm aware Insurance companies didn't want Obamacare because it forced them to take on people they know they would lose money over.

Then they started to throw a tantrum saying this is why they're offering shittier options now even though it was just to earn higher returns for their shareholders.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"either reimagine a party dedicated to our founding ideals or else hasten the creation of such an alternative." Lines like this have always baffled me. A country inevitably, and rightfully, changes over time from many of its founding ideals. That there is always such a fervent call to stick to them, after centuries of change and innovation, just bakes my noodle.

That's why they call themselves "conservatives", though it should be noted they pick and choose what they want to conserve. eg A return to the 1950s, cos of the perceived 'American utopia', except the higher tax rate to the wealthy back them, not that aspect.

Originally posted by BackFire
I think this was inevitable post Trump. There was going to be a lot of "soul searching" among some of the GOP while others were going to try to continue riding Trump's coat tails for as long as it would be politically beneficial for them and it would inevitably cause conflict.

Shows that Trump still has a great deal of influence, which is unique for a losing candidate but his loss was also unique in that despite losing he got a great deal of votes. He'll never be as a good as JC though.

Marjorie Taylor Greene, the new face of the GOP, claimed that being asked to wear a mask during a pandemic is the same as the Holocaust, Nazis making Jews wear badges and committing genocide.

"You know, we can look back at a time in history where people were told to wear a gold star, and they were definitely treated like second class citizens, so much so that they were put in trains and taken to gas chambers in Nazi Germany." -MTG



Some Republicans have spoken out, but it's very, very, very few.

Originally posted by Robtard
Marjorie Taylor Greene, the new face of the GOP, claimed that being asked to wear a mask during a pandemic is the same as the Holocaust, Nazis making Jews wear badges and committing genocide.

"You know, we can look back at a time in history where people were told to wear a gold star, and they were definitely treated like second class citizens, so much so that they were put in trains and taken to gas chambers in Nazi Germany." -MTG



Some Republicans have spoken out, but it's very, very, very few.

What a dumbass. Everyone knows all the death camps were in Poland, not Germany. Lulz. 😏

she still thinks of most of europe as "nazi germany". trumpers are always pining for the "good old days"

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
she still thinks of most of europe as "nazi germany". trumpers are always pining for the "good old days"

For her, the good ol' days were during the Ice Age, because she looks like a ****ing Cro Magnon.

Marjorie Taylor Greene is working hard to make herself the worst person in all of America. I wonder what her end game is. Is it just the notion that there's no such thing as bad publicity? That keeping your name current in the media is all that matters? Or is she just eyeing that future career as a host for Fox News, Newsmax etc.?

Originally posted by roughrider
Marjorie Taylor Greene is working hard to make herself the worst person in all of America. I wonder what her end game is. Is it just the notion that there's no such thing as bad publicity? That keeping your name current in the media is all that matters? Or is she just eyeing that future career as a host for Fox News, Newsmax etc.?


What an idiot she is.


I mean, its not like the Left freely throws around Holocaust iconography with impunity because they attack Democrat opposition.

She, like many others are following Donald Trump's handbook it seems. They are just overlooking one thing: Trump's B.S. worked for a while, until it stopped. And everything has slid backwards for him since.

He and others might be appealing to their base, but that base is shrinking.

Originally posted by roughrider
She, like many others are following Donald Trump's handbook it seems. They are just overlooking one thing: Trump's B.S. worked for a while, until it stopped. And everything has slid backwards for him since.

He and others might be appealing to their base, but that base is shrinking.


After Obama, we had Trump. After Trump, we put in Biden by a pretty slim margin for a dying party.


And lets be realistic about it, who do you think owns the media? Socialists?


Nope, greedy capitalism is the real power in the West. I doubt Jeff Zucker wants the Democrats to win on EVERY talking point.. Far from it. I bet he has an interest in keeping some Right wing talking points alive, being a greedy capitalist himself.


Frankly, if the Left wants a real win, they need to stop thinking in terns of parties, and start thinking in terms of policies. If the Neo-Liberals get in their way, walk over them. If you can't do that, leave the party and form your own.

Odd, as Biden's percentage victory over Trump was greater than Trump's victory over Clinton.

Trump was the incumbent in 2020, he had a huge advantage, as only 10 incumbents had previously lost as of the 2020 election. Clinton did not have that advantage in 2016. She also won the popular vote too boot.

Originally posted by Robtard
Odd, as Biden's percentage victory over Trump was greater than Trump's victory over Clinton.

Also of note, Trump was the incumbent in 2020, he had huge advantage, as only 10 incumbents have lost as of the 2020 election. Clinton did not have that advantage in 2016. She also won the popular vote too boot.

Right, but Trump set records compared to 2020, while Biden blew past Obama's numbers. This was the highest turnout in US history overall.


You probably won't see this kind of political engagement every year.


The winning party isn't who has the most voters, its who can get their voters to go out and vote, and keep voting.

Originally posted by cdtm
Right, but Trump set records compared to 2020, while Biden blew past Obama's numbers. This was the highest turnout in US history overall.


You probably won't see this kind of political engagement every year.


The winning party isn't who has the most voters, its who can get their voters to go out and vote, and keep voting.

2020 had the highest amount of voter turnout in US history and Biden won it. How is that a plus towards Trump instead of Biden, if we're applying it as a plus to someone? Trump lost.

Since 1932 voter turnout has increased in most presidential elections. When it happens to dip, it tends to correct itself the following election. The trend is it that voter turnout goes up, not down.

Okay? Republicans have trouble winning elections, they rely on an antiquated system called the Electoral College which allows the person with less votes to win. They also rely on gerrymandering to gain in the House. iirc, it's only 1 state out of 21 where gerrymandering can sometimes help Democrats.

Originally posted by Robtard
2020 had the highest amount of voter turnout in US history and Biden won it. How is that a plus towards Trump instead of Biden, if we're applying it as a plus to someone? Trump lost.

Since 1932 voter turnout has increased in most presidential elections. When it happens to dip, it tends to correct itself the following election. The trend is it that voter turnout goes up, not down.

Okay? Republicans have trouble winning elections, they rely on an antiquated system called the Electoral College which allows the person with less votes to win. They also rely on gerrymandering to gain in the House. iirc, it's only 1 state out of 21 where gerrymandering can sometimes help Democrats.

That last point has an interesting wrinkle to it. Companies have been on a trend where they're turning away commuting and demanding their employees work where they live.. Which is often in major Democrat cities like New York.


Happened to my sisters very conservative live in boyfriend. Lost his job when he refused to relocate.


If enough companies do this, that can end up reshaping the suburbs, potentially.

Biden is pathetic, and people are laughing at him, not with him.

...and he did win.

Feb 2020:
Originally posted by Robtard
They will absolutely abandon Trump if he loses in 2020, he'll be a one-term loser and a greatly disliked President, that's not a legacy you want to tie yourself too politically if you're a career politician. Republicans will probably drag Reagan's corpse out again to soapbox from.


Today:

Former House Speaker Paul Ryan urges GOP to return to Reaganism, end Trump fixation

Former House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, a onetime rising star of the Republican Party who lost the battle over the soul of the GOP to Donald Trump, urged his party Thursday to end its preoccupation with the former president and revive its commitment to conservative values.



This is also step two to Paul Ryan declaring his run for President as predicted (I know, easy prediction). Step one was rage-quitting as Speaker of the House in 2018 because he saw his loss coming and wanted to distance himself from Trump.

Paul Ryan is no saint.

Paul Ryan is a bag of shit. But he's a predictable bag of shit.

Perfect, make it so.

People's houses are literally falling down while they're sleeping in them and some people would rather get angry at genderless plastic potatoes.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
genderless plastic potatoes.

whoa, post a trigger warning next time

Last month, self-proclaimed "prophet" and QAnon conspiracy theorist Johnny Enlow posted a "prophetic alert" on his Facebook page in which he warned that "many of our most famous pastors and Christian leaders are about to be exposed as sexual deviants, pedophiles, and worse."

We had no idea what that meant at the time, but now it appears to be related to allegations being put forth by a woman going by the name Madyson Marquette, who claims to have been a former adult film actress who was sexually abused and trafficked by several well-known evangelical leaders, including Kenneth Copeland, T.D. Jakes, Rick Warren, and even the late Billy Graham.

In the last week, Marquette has appeared on several evangelical programs that regularly promote QAnon and other right-wing conspiracy theories to level her allegations, including a recent appearance on the "Up Front in the Prophetic" program, which is hosted by full-blown QAnon conspiracy theorists Alan and Francine Fosdick.

Madyson Marquette also claims to have participated in military tribunals against Joe Biden, Tom Hanks, and Mike Pence.

Gotta wonder how much longer evangelicals will continue to embrace QAnon now that a former adult film actress claims to have been sexually abused and trafficked by evangelical leaders.

L-O-L

Originally posted by cdtm
Right, but Trump set records compared to 2020, while Biden blew past Obama's numbers. This was the highest turnout in US history overall.


You probably won't see this kind of political engagement every year.


The winning party isn't who has the most voters, its who can get their voters to go out and vote, and keep voting.


Trump got more votes than any other incumbent presidential candidate in history. Quite an accomplishment.


Actualy, he got far more votes than what they actually gave him credit for. Democrat operatives used Dominion voting machines and other ways of cheating to transfer tens-of-millions of votes from Trump over to Biden.

LOL @ anyone who thinks Biden actually got so many more votes than Obama did.


Again, Trump actually legitimately won. Stealing an election is not winning one.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Last month, self-proclaimed "prophet" and QAnon conspiracy theorist Johnny Enlow posted a "prophetic alert" on his Facebook page in which he warned that "many of our most famous pastors and Christian leaders are about to be exposed as sexual deviants, pedophiles, and worse."

We had no idea what that meant at the time, but now it appears to be related to allegations being put forth by a woman going by the name Madyson Marquette, who claims to have been a former adult film actress who was sexually abused and trafficked by several well-known evangelical leaders, including Kenneth Copeland, T.D. Jakes, Rick Warren, and even the late Billy Graham.

In the last week, Marquette has appeared on several evangelical programs that regularly promote QAnon and other right-wing conspiracy theories to level her allegations, including a recent appearance on the "Up Front in the Prophetic" program, which is hosted by full-blown QAnon conspiracy theorists Alan and Francine Fosdick.

Madyson Marquette also claims to have participated in military tribunals against Joe Biden, Tom Hanks, and Mike Pence.

Gotta wonder how much longer evangelicals will continue to embrace QAnon now that a former adult film actress claims to have been sexually abused and trafficked by evangelical leaders.

L-O-L

So it seems all those "elitist pedophiles and deviants" QAnons are ranting about are once again internal

The conservative House Freedom Caucus is calling for the removal of Representatives Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois from the Republican caucus in an effort to punish the pair for joining the committee investigating the January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Montanta Representative Matt Rosendale added that the pair deserve to be "eliminated" from the Republican conference, after having "surrendered" their right to participate.

South Carolina Representative Ralph Norman reportedly also shared this striking analogy: "What if you had a football game and two players, just all of a sudden, kept the same uniform and started playing for another team? That's what we got with these two members."

It came two days after Ohio Representative Jim Jordan asked, "What's the difference between Democrats and Never Trumpers?"

For starters, Kinzinger voted with Trump more than 90% of the time, and Cheney voted with Trump roughly 93% of the time.

They have simply agreed to examine the most serious attack on the U.S. Capitol since the War of 1812, at the invitation of the Speaker of the House.

That's it. That's their transgression. That's the proof that they've become members of "another team."

"What's the difference between Democrats and Never Trumpers?" Well, in the case of Cheney and Kinzinger, the difference is these two House Republicans believe in democracy, and recognize the threat the former president poses to our system of government, but on matters of policy and governing, Democrats, Kinzinger, and Cheney have very little in common.

Ronald Reagan said, "The person who agrees with you 80% of the time is a friend and an ally, not a 20% traitor." A generation later, many House Republicans have come to believe their own colleagues, who agree with them more than 90% of the time, are nevertheless traitors if they care about the facts surrounding an attack on the Capitol.

Once again, GOP lawmakers are eager to prove that Republicans are a post-policy party, and they are succeeding beautifully.

Apnews distracting us from the much more divisive culture war in the Demoncrats.

Your "Squad" ijits, the ineffective Nancy Pelosi, and the centrist geriatric that is an embarrassment to the office.

Trump is set to win the next election, and who do the devilcrats have now that sleepy Joe flubbed his ONE job so badly even the Washington Post is on his ass about it?

Joe was their hail mary, and it failed, brace yourself for four more years of MAGA.

Originally posted by cdtm
Trump is set to win the next election, and who do the devilcrats have now that sleepy Joe flubbed his ONE job so badly even the Washington Post is on his ass about it?

Joe was their hail mary, and it failed, brace yourself for four more years of MAGA.


13 Marines died in a warzone where our troops have been dying every year for the last 20 years and you people didn't care, only pearl-clutching just now.

But if you think that's going to get Trump reelected in 3+ years, you're wrong, especially considering the Right will likely still be consuming itself over the Trump schism, but you're certainly welcome to your wet fantasies as usual.

Even if every single one of the allegations against Trump are true (They aren't, but assuming for the sake of argument), you know how fickle the public is.

And Biden has the Post quoting him blaming the Afghan civilians for not moving out fast enough. That is NOT a good look.

Add the fact the Democrats and every left wing publication overexposed themselves with anti-Trump rhetoric, and I think you may be surprised how many simply stopped listening, or caring.

While the Republicans will certainly be pearl-clutching over it in 3+ years, the fact will remain that Biden had evacuated over 120,000 people safely out of a warzone and ended a 20 year extremely unpopular war that both the Left and Right wanted out of and that kinda has more sticking power than the minority Trumper feelings.

So the only correct thing you're predicting is that you'll maybe get to vote for Trump a 3rd time (LoL), that is if he runs and doesn't play kingmaker to a 2024 candidate.

The GOP can't even come together on Trump anymore, so should Trump run and win the nomination in 2024, he'll lose to Biden again, further salting the wound.

Originally posted by cdtm
Trump is set to win the next election, and who do the devilcrats have now that sleepy Joe flubbed his ONE job so badly even the Washington Post is on his ass about it?

Joe was their hail mary, and it failed, brace yourself for four more years of MAGA.


How is Trump gonna win when the deep state will just rig it again? I mean, have they fixed our election system yet to make it harder for dems to cheat?

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
How is Trump gonna win when the deep state will just rig it again? I mean, have they fixed our election system yet to make it harder for dems to cheat?

That trick will only work once. The GoP will tighten up regulations so much cheating will be impossible, and the Dems will go along with it so they don't alienate needed swing voters with an admission of guilt.

This crybaby "we were cheated!" sore loser mentality could have the opposite affect the Right thinks, especially considering not all Rightist are going along with the big lie:

"President Trump lost the election. Joe Biden won the election. It was not rigged. It was not stolen. Donald Trump lost the election. Joe Biden won the election. It's really clear" - Paul Ryan 8/30/21


Instead of driving Right-voters to the poll, it's going to drive even more Left-voters to the point that not even the Right's push to restrict voting in many states will be enough to flip the vote.

Especially, when Republican politicians seem intent on killing their own voters with COVID misinformation so they can jockey for the GOP presidential nomination.

Originally posted by cdtm
That trick will only work once. The GoP will tighten up regulations so much cheating will be impossible, and the Dems will go along with it so they don't alienate needed swing voters with an admission of guilt.


Come on cdtm youre not really falling for this Dems cheated nonsense are you?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Especially, when Republican politicians seem intent on killing their own voters with COVID misinformation so they can jockey for the GOP presidential nomination.

The 2024 Republican primary is going to be an even greater bloodbath that will make the 2016 one look like a calm field trip at the zoo.

We're going to have Republicans directly accusing other Republicans of killing their own people with their anti-logic and anti-science stances regarding covid19 on national television, on top of the Pro-Trump and Anti-Trump infighting. It's going to be glorious and I'll have my popcorn buttered and salted ready to go.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Come on cdtm youre not really falling for this Dems cheated nonsense are you?

😅😌😗

Originally posted by Robtard
This crybaby "we were cheated!" sore loser mentality could have the opposite affect the Right thinks, especially considering not all Rightist are going along with the big lie:

"President Trump lost the election. Joe Biden won the election. It was not rigged. It was not stolen. Donald Trump lost the election. Joe Biden won the election. It's really clear" - Paul Ryan 8/30/21


Instead of driving Right-voters to the poll, it's going to drive even more Left-voters to the point that not even the Right's push to restrict voting in many states will be enough to flip the vote.

You'll be crying over imagined wrongs all the way to 2024 and beyond, Ethneo

Originally posted by Robtard
The 2024 Republican primary is going to be an even greater bloodbath that will make the 2016 one look like a calm field trip at the zoo.

We're going to have Republicans directly accusing other Republicans of killing their own people with their anti-logic and anti-science stances regarding covid19 on national television, on top of the Pro-Trump and Anti-Trump infighting. It's going to be glorious and I'll have my popcorn buttered and salted ready to go.

Not to mention the "StOp ThE sTeAl" retards who will not vote until the 2020 election is "corrected," and Trump is installed as president.

Originally posted by Robtard
Today:

Former House Speaker Paul Ryan urges GOP to return to Reaganism, end Trump fixation

Former House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, a onetime rising star of the Republican Party who lost the battle over the soul of the GOP to Donald Trump, urged his party Thursday to end its preoccupation with the former president and revive its commitment to conservative values.

This is also step two to Paul Ryan declaring his run for President as predicted (I know, easy prediction). Step one was rage-quitting as Speaker of the House in 2018 because he saw his loss coming and wanted to distance himself from Trump.

Senator Pat Toomey has urged his party not to nominate Donald Trump as its presidential candidate in 2024, calling his conduct in the aftermath of the 2020 election "completely unacceptable."

"I think that the future of our party is to be a party of ideas, and not to be a party about any one individual, and I think we will learn a lot from the next set of primaries," he said.

"I think after what happened post-2020 election, I think the president's behavior was completely unacceptable, so I don't think he should be the nominee to lead the party in 2024."

Originally posted by Robtard
I'll have my popcorn buttered and salted ready to go.

You're a f*cking disgusting degenerate eating popcorn like that.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Senator Pat Toomey has urged his party not to nominate Donald Trump as its presidential candidate in 2024, calling his conduct in the aftermath of the 2020 election "completely unacceptable."

"I think that the future of our party is to be a party of ideas, and not to be a party about any one individual, and I think we will learn a lot from the next set of primaries," he said.

"I think after what happened post-2020 election, I think the president's behavior was completely unacceptable, so I don't think he should be the nominee to lead the party in 2024."

On Thursday night, Lauren Windsor of The Undercurrent reported that Representative Jim Jordan told her at an event in Iowa that Donald Trump will announce a presidential run "any day now."

Windsor's report was swiftly denied by a spokesperson for Jordan, who told Politico, "Not true. Mr. Jordan did not say this." But now we have learned there are tapes.

Jim Jordan caught lying again, this time on tape. But what kind of integrity would you expect from someone who covers up the sexual abuse of minors?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Senator Pat Toomey has urged his party not to nominate Donald Trump as its presidential candidate in 2024, calling his conduct in the aftermath of the 2020 election "completely unacceptable."

"I think that the future of our party is to be a party of ideas, and not to be a party about any one individual, and I think we will learn a lot from the next set of primaries," he said.

"I think after what happened post-2020 election, I think the president's behavior was completely unacceptable, so I don't think he should be the nominee to lead the party in 2024."

On Thursday, former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, an erstwhile ally of Donald Trump, tore into the ex-president's political movement and baseless claims of election fraud, urging the Republicans to break with "the conspiracy theorists and the truth deniers" in their ranks.

Christie said during an appearance at the Ronald Reagan Library that the GOP needs to "face the realities of the 2020 election and learn, not hide, from them," urging fellow Republicans to "discredit the extremists in our midst."

Christie also took aim at what is perceived as a cult of personality around Trump, arguing nobody is "worthy of blind faith or obedience," regardless of "what office they've held or wealth they've acquired," urging the GOP not to "tie our future to a pile of lies."

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
You're a f*cking disgusting degenerate eating popcorn like that.

How do the Scots eat popcorn?

Probably with paprika and mayonnaise I bet. Gross!

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
On Thursday, former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, an erstwhile ally of Donald Trump, tore into the ex-president's political movement and baseless claims of election fraud, urging the Republicans to break with "the conspiracy theorists and the truth deniers" in their ranks.

Christie said during an appearance at the Ronald Reagan Library that the GOP needs to "face the realities of the 2020 election and learn, not hide, from them," urging fellow Republicans to "discredit the extremists in our midst."

Christie also took aim at what is perceived as a cult of personality around Trump, arguing nobody is "worthy of blind faith or obedience," regardless of "what office they've held or wealth they've acquired," urging the GOP not to "tie our future to a pile of lies."


Excellent, the Trumplican party schism is growing as predicted

Originally posted by Robtard
How do the Scots eat popcorn?

Probably with paprika and mayonnaise I bet. Gross! ew

Originally posted by Robtard
How do the Scots eat popcorn?

Probably with paprika and mayonnaise I bet. Gross!

https://images.ctfassets.net/6jpeaipefazr/4uhy8TAxTgg04buV556sz2/c1c922100d0f5582e078d1d7af0409c5/P2-5032015001913_T1.jpg?fm=jpg&fl=progressive&q=60&w=400&h=400&fit=scale

https://groceries.morrisons.com/productImages/559/559068011_0_640x640.jpg?identifier=1ded30e50760a3b8e34d91af6f689ab0

With as much type 2 diabetes as possible

Cracker Jack is good.

Trump running in 2024 is going to be such a blow to so many GOP sycophants (eg Cruz and DeSantis) who sucked his dick thinking they'd earn his endorsement and the votes of his cult in 2024.

Said it before, but the 2024 Republican primary is going to be even more hilarious than it was in 2016, seeing these people once again turn on Trump as they claw for the nomination.

Originally posted by Robtard
Trump running in 2024 is going to be such a blow to so many GOP sycophants (eg Cruz and DeSantis) who sucked his dick thinking they'd earn his endorsement and the votes of his cult in 2024.

Said it before, but the 2024 Republican primary is going to be even more hilarious than it was in 2016, seeing these people once again turn on Trump as they claw for the nomination.

We super duper need to put an age limit on some of these positions

Originally posted by Robtard
Trump running in 2024 is going to be such a blow to so many GOP sycophants (eg Cruz and DeSantis) who sucked his dick thinking they'd earn his endorsement and the votes of his cult in 2024.

Said it before, but the 2024 Republican primary is going to be even more hilarious than it was in 2016, seeing these people once again turn on Trump as they claw for the nomination.

The only way they can defeat him in the primary is if they all consolidate behind one candidate. It will not be Pence if Trump is running, so their only hope is DeSantis.

That's not going to happen, imo, well over 3/4ths of them are wrapped in the Trump cult themselves and the rest are too chicken shit cowardly to speak out in fear of getting kicked off the merry-go-round.

eg Look what happened to Paul Ryan when he said the GOP needs to abandon Trumpism and go back to its salad days, the stylized Reagan years. He was shunned (again). Liz Cheney is another, the short-list goes on.

edit: Trump's cult has been methodically culling all those who will not fall in line since January,

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Not to mention the "StOp ThE sTeAl" retards who will not vote until the 2020 election is "corrected," and Trump is installed as president.

Donald Trump said Wednesday that Republicans should not vote in the midterm and general elections until supposed voter fraud in the 2020 election is "solved."

"If we don't solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in '22 or '24. It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do," Trump's statement read.

The November 2022 midterm elections will see 34 Senate seats and all 435 House of Representatives seats contested. Then, 2024 will be the next presidential election. Trump has not said definitively whether he will run again.

Can't wait for the inevitable "Donald Trump is secretly a Democrat agent trying to undermine the Republican vote in the upcoming election" conspiracy theory.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Donald Trump said Wednesday that Republicans should not vote in the midterm and general elections until supposed voter fraud in the 2020 election is "solved."

"If we don't solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in '22 or '24. It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do," Trump's statement read.

The November 2022 midterm elections will see 34 Senate seats and all 435 House of Representatives seats contested. Then, 2024 will be the next presidential election. Trump has not said definitively whether he will run again.


As a Liberal I support Trump and Trumpers rights to sit out and not vote in 2022 and 2024

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Can't wait for the inevitable "Donald Trump is secretly a Democrat agent trying to undermine the Republican vote in the upcoming election" conspiracy theory.


*again*

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Can't wait for the inevitable "Donald Trump is secretly a Democrat agent trying to undermine the Republican vote in the upcoming election" conspiracy theory. well he was friends with Clinton and Epstein.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
On Thursday, former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, an erstwhile ally of Donald Trump, tore into the ex-president's political movement and baseless claims of election fraud, urging the Republicans to break with "the conspiracy theorists and the truth deniers" in their ranks.

Christie said during an appearance at the Ronald Reagan Library that the GOP needs to "face the realities of the 2020 election and learn, not hide, from them," urging fellow Republicans to "discredit the extremists in our midst."

Christie also took aim at what is perceived as a cult of personality around Trump, arguing nobody is "worthy of blind faith or obedience," regardless of "what office they've held or wealth they've acquired," urging the GOP not to "tie our future to a pile of lies."

Chris Christie, speaking yesterday at the annual Republican Jewish Coalition leadership meeting:

"Let me make one thing really clear: The only reason to affiliate with a political party, the only reason to support a political party is to win.

Nothing else matters. If you don't win, you can't govern. And winning campaigns are always the campaigns that look forward, not backwards.

We can no longer talk about the past and the past elections. No matter where you stand on that issue, no matter where you stand, it is over.

And every minute that we spend talking about 2020, while we're wasting time doing that, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer are laying ruin to this country.

We better focus on that and take our eyes off the rear view mirror and start looking through the windshield again."

The Patriot Party!

I'll call it TP Party.

In an excerpt from the upcoming book Betrayal: The Final Act of the Trump Show, Jonathan Karl reported that many of Trump's campaign staffers blamed themselves for Herman Cain's death:

"We were all trying to figure out who's testing positive, because we were all thinking, 'Oh, shit. Was I near that person last night?'" a senior staffer told Will Steakin shortly after the rally. "We killed Herman Cain."

Weird, I remember how Trumpers whinged that the Democrats were trying to remove Trump via the 25th

https://i.imgflip.com/5zm9s9.jpg

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
https://i.imgflip.com/5zm9s9.jpg

literally

Also...

facepalm

I suspect that the cult surrounds Trump, not Alex Jones. I just can't see many Trump followers jumping ship. At least not here in the evangelical Bible belt where I am.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
https://i.imgflip.com/5zm9s9.jpg

Trump should have been doing this while President, better late than never I guess. So I applaud him for finally doing the right thing.

Do love the cognitive dissonance he's going to give Trumpers like Time and Etheno though.


“I’ve had the booster. Many politicians — I watched a couple of politicians be interviewed and one of the questions was, ‘Did you get the booster?’ because they had the vaccine. And they’re answering like — in other words, the answer is ‘yes’ but they don’t want to say it. Because they’re gutless. You gotta say it, whether you had it or not. Say it. But the fact is that I think the vaccines saved tens of millions throughout the world. I’ve had absolutely no side-effects.” -Trump

Isn't Ann Coulter against Trump now or something?

It seems as soon as Shapiro joined the Trump side everyone else left.

Originally posted by Robtard
Trump should have been doing this while President, better late than never I guess. So I applaud him for finally doing the right thing.

Do love the cognitive dissonance he's going to give Trumpers like Time and Etheno though.


“I’ve had the booster. Many politicians — I watched a couple of politicians be interviewed and one of the questions was, ‘Did you get the booster?’ because they had the vaccine. And they’re answering like — in other words, the answer is ‘yes’ but they don’t want to say it. Because they’re gutless. You gotta say it, whether you had it or not. Say it. But the fact is that I think the vaccines saved tens of millions throughout the world. I’ve had absolutely no side-effects.” -Trump


Now if only Biden didn't fan the flames with his "Our patience is wearing thin" speech.


Bet he was told to do that by party leaders. If he had two neurons to rub together, he would say something like:

"Our vaccination rates are not where we'd like them to be. And while we certainly respect one's right to choose what is best for them and their families against the words of authorities, as is our tradition as Americans, we would encourage you to examine the data for yourselves. It is out there, publically available, and widely vetted by the scientific community..

If you still harbor doubts, there will be no mandates. You will not be forced, as this is not a dictatorship."

Originally posted by Robtard
Trump should have been doing this while President, better late than never I guess. So I applaud him for finally doing the right thing.

Do love the cognitive dissonance he's going to give Trumpers like Time and Etheno though.

Methneo, you mean. But yes, bingo.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Isn't Ann Coulter against Trump now or something?

It seems as soon as Shapiro joined the Trump side everyone else left.

She abandoned him two years in and then voted for him anyways in 2020. She's a deplorable.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Methneo, you mean. But yes, bingo.

Police were called to step in after a group of conservatives wearing orange shirts that said "RINO hunters" with crosshairs making a target of the "O," tried to storm a Republican Party of Orange County meeting in Costa Mesa on Monday night. The group was led by Nick Taurus, a self-proclaimed White Nationalist who last year spearheaded a protest during a town hall for Representative Katie Porter that turned violent.

Taurus, a Republican from Laguna Hills, is now challenging GOP Representative Young Kim in the CA-40 House race. He has labeled Kim, who has been endorsed by the OCGOP as a "RINO," a derogatory name used by the far-right for more moderate politicians who they deem "Republican in name only." Costa Mesa Police say they were called to the meeting at 6:39 p.m. Monday on reports that a group of about 20 demonstrators were refusing to leave the "private political meeting."

What is it with White Nationalist after White Nationalist running for office within the Republican party.

Originally posted by Robtard
What is it with White Nationalist after White Nationalist running for office within the Republican party. Republicans are often white nationalists.

White nationalists are the most reliable Republican supporters because they love their guns. They wouldn't vote for any other party and are the most loyal.

Even the hardcore leftists would switch to Green Libertarian or Socialist depending on their beliefs than simply bandwagon the Democrats if they don't like the candidate.

Originally posted by Robtard
What is it with White Nationalist after White Nationalist running for office within the Republican party.

Not all Republicans are White Nationalists, but all White Nationalists are Republicans.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Not all Republicans are White Nationalists, but all White Nationalists are Republicans.

you forgot libertarianism, which is completely different and totally unrelated to fascism and republicanism. furthermore, i typed that with a straight face, further proving myself to be the ultimate master of deadpan.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
you forgot libertarianism, which is completely different and totally unrelated to fascism and republicanism. furthermore, i typed that with a straight face, further proving myself to be the ultimate master of deadpan. Originally it was an atheistic non-racist affiliation, but the more inclusive it got, the more usurped it got by white supremacists.

Aren't they "Centrist" now?

Which goes something like: "both parties are terrible, it's why I'm in the middle where it makes the most sense, no jokers or clowns for me. But let me tell you just how awful the Left is, those libtarded cucks are the worst and it's why I support and vote on the Right."