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No bfr and no shields. Who's taking this?

Which Hyperion?

There are dozens of them, carv.


Normal Ikaris or Prime Eternal Ikaris?

Yes

Stilt, has Ikaris been formerly named the Prime Eternal? In the latest issue of The Eternals he has yet to be named Zuras' successor. I admit to limited knowledge on the Eternals, which is why I'm asking.

He had the Prime Eternal status like two decades ago.


Nowadays, it's safe to say Zuras is back to being the Prime Eternal, as it has been stated at least twice.


However, the whole thing remains a mess, continuity-wise:

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
X. Retcons/Changes

The Prime Eternal

Hopefully if my beginning post was "loud enough" you would have known that I wanted you to check this section first,

because in my opinion if you do not you will become very confused.

The Eternals have been subject to some retcons and changes in their past. In particular the role of the being who becomes

the Prime Eternal (ruler of the Earthbound Eternals) has frequently changed suit. I will now begin to explain the long

story that is the tale of the Prime Eternals.


As we know being the so called current ruler of the Eternals (back in the 1970's) was Zuras. His rule was unchallenged.

During the events of Thor #300, when the Fourth Host of the Celestials was at the peak of making a judgement, Zuras

created a Uni-Mind with the rest of his Eternals. Minus ones such as Ikaris and Sersi. Zuras was killed in the Uni-Mind

along with many of his kin.

http://i.imgur.com/Vtl1o3N.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Cqk8PDh.jpg

Since Zuras has been killed. There currently is no Prime Eternal to lead these great beings onwards. The honour to lead

the Eternals next falls on Thena, daughter of Zuras.

http://i.imgur.com/l6k7txe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s57IktB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7x3ML0h.jpg

After Thena had been in rule for a while, there were suspicions of foul play by the Prime Eternal herself. As she still

harboured love for the Deviant Kro. In the end Ikaris challenged Thena for the right to be Prime Eternal. With the winner

to be decided in a battle.

http://i.imgur.com/Xk88RUd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eSD9rX2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/z6UTP28.jpg

Ikaris won the battle, he was now officially the Prime Eternal. And with it came abilities such as this. Being able to

form the ritual of the Uni-Mind for example.

http://i.imgur.com/KKIg7Jh.jpg

For a long while in the comics, Ikaris has a 100% sure position, he is the Prime Eternal. Volume 3 is where it

begins to get very weird. As volume 3 is where the huge Retcon for the Eternals come into play, which I will now discuss.

(don't worry the Prime Eternal discussion will still go on, note I will be splitting it into a separate section as to not

clutter).

The Retcon

For many a decade we knew this as the official origin of the Eternals.

http://i.imgur.com/lT2sHp6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/c7zoUIL.jpg

Well this was all to change.

Instead of being mere thousands of years old they were retconned into being millions of years old!

http://i.imgur.com/cfBYGSG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wfO4l27.jpg

This is an extreme jump in years to be retconned. You may wonder how it all happened. It all starts with the "child"

Eternal known as Sprite.

In Volume 3 of Eternals, a huge amount of things have changed. Every single Eternal bar Ikaris and Thena(who both could

resist the power to resist what I shall soon explain).

As soon as Volume 3 kicks in most of the Eternals all complteltey forget the past lives (compared to nothing like this

last volume). Here are some images of the people who have forgotten themselves.


Druig

http://i.imgur.com/FP3QXfC.jpg

Makkari

http://i.imgur.com/Xx1Dzt6.jpg

Sersi

http://i.imgur.com/A6Gg3TX.jpg

And most shockingly of all... Zuras (note Ajak is the person next to him)

http://i.imgur.com/uFyntuV.jpg

The Eternal who was supposedly murdered by the Celestials when they formed the Uni-mind has returned somehow. Here is how

it happened.

Here is Sprite explaining it to Makkari. Or rather the still unawakened version of him.

http://i.imgur.com/B5npdAH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GxTenRW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pw6rEEQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KQboSt6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5PBaBYh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/U95Qiuc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IzQTw4G.jpg

So Sprite has been casting illusions and warping reality for millions of years. Or rather this is the retcon that

was presented and this is how it was explained. Sprite took Zuras and Ajak and gave them the illusion that they had been

speaking to a Celestial. Sprite organised a Uni-Mind powered by Celestials and used that to warp it into what we face

today.

And there are two other retcons around the Eternals. another thing organised by Sprite.

I will be calling this the Celestial Retcon.

Eternals since thanks to Sprites meddling (or the retcon) are now honour bound to protect the Celestial race. If an

Eternal would attempt to attack a Celestial they would be risking certain death.

http://i.imgur.com/59F1Z09.jpg

And here is a brief set of scans from The Eternals v3 that explains this perfectly. With many of the Eternals offering

explanations. Thena telling Iron Man she can't approach the Celestial. Ikaris mind controlling Hank Pym into not

attacking the Celestial because of this honour bound oath.

http://i.imgur.com/qwmZyQG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pZig4Bb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PwFB2Cm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YpyBX9a.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TlGM1Qh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/q7cx0B5.jpg


Here is the next set of retconns.


Eternals still can't die so to speak. But if they do suffer sufficient enough injury that they do die (i.e the famed

molecular dispersal) they are reassembled by the machine. They can basically be genetically created and rewritten.

http://i.imgur.com/R9TS1cF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2DfWpCS.jpg

As more perfectly described here by Phastos, "a device that perfectly replicates Eternals, then somehow integrates their

conciousness fully intact into their new husk".

http://i.imgur.com/D8zeFFM.jpg

Phastos again states here that without that machine if they die they will be gone for good.

http://i.imgur.com/m8nIM41.jpg


And finally this the quite sad scene when Zuras finds out. As much as Sprite should have paid for his heinous actions. I

can't help but feel it shouldn't have been this way. Sprite also explains what he did a bit more here too.

http://i.imgur.com/oQ5bfgb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UkMrus3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/H35hKUb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yhyrG2e.jpg

Quite sad really. But that is the retcon in it's whole.

Now, back to the Prime Eternal discussion

Back to the Prime Eternal

So as we know already that Ikaris is the Prime Eternal. Then with the advent of Zuras returning back to life. We suddenly

see that Zuras has somehow taken Ikaris's position.

http://i.imgur.com/YyJhbGR.jpg

(this scan is from the Eternals v4 annual)

Without any word mentioned or uttered. This annoyed me quite a bit. Because I thought that Ikaris had done his due by the

Eternals. He had shepherded them through hard times. And that Zuras didn't deserve the right to take up the position of

Prime Eternal. But I then came to these scans as I neared the end of the v4 run of Eternals.

The remaining Eternals are discussing whether Ikaris should remain as the Prime Eternal. When all of a sudden Zuras (the

supposed Prime Eternal again) arrives with the other Eternals. And Ikaris begins the ritual of the Uni-Mind with the

Dreaming Celestial and Zuras openly joins it. Confirming the fact that Ikaris remains the Prime Eternal!

http://i.imgur.com/xwtqCIq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7Hpjfb4.jpg

And you see even now I am confused. Zuras was made the Prime Eternal by a writer. Ikaris then performs the ritual of the

Uni-Mind which is more proof than anything. Specifically as it was in front of Zuras. I tend to believe that Ikaris

remained the Prime Eternal but I would welcome peoples opinions on the matter. I have gave most of my opinion here.



This is the end of my respect thread and I would very much like to thank everyone who reads this.

http://i.imgur.com/Vi7y8xxl.jpg

Ahhh, it seems more like a continuity switch that may be happening. The Eternals have always been one of the more obscure titles in the Marvel U. Maybe it'll stick this time. I've also noticed that if done properly over a series of movies like LOTR, or Star Wars, that the Eternals would likely become the best movie franchise that Marvel may ever produce. And Apok has always been a powerful character. He just doesn't get enough appearances to allow him to shine.

Apocalypse is a beast and he would disembowel Dione in seconds.


Thanos is just mindlessly wanked by Starlin, who retcons most of his embarrassing showings away.

No, I haven't. And I'm entitled to my own opinion.

Thanos can't win every fight and is just plain inferior to great many characters.

Apoc isn't there yet Stilt.

He is, he is.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, I haven't. And I'm entitled to my own opinion.

Thanos can't win every fight and is just plain inferior to great many characters. yeah you have by me everytime.

Now your just trying to make shit up to suit your narrative. Marz , Cates, Gillen, PAD, Hickman , Lemire have all wrote Thanos equal or greater than Starlin in terms of power/feats.

Starlin wrote Thanos as inferior to the likes Odin, Galactus , Walker the death God etc. Those who have always been portrayed above Thanos in the hierarchy have been shown as such.

Oh, by you? That certainly doesn't count

We ALWAYS go by the last versions of the characters listed. I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp.

The most current Hyperion is not even real.

You can add Hulk here and Thanos still shitstomps all 3 of them.

Originally posted by carver9
We ALWAYS go by the last versions of the characters listed. I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp.

So the one that Taskmaster just fought? Cool.

Thanos would beat the complete shit out of them.

Originally posted by carver9
We ALWAYS go by the last versions of the characters listed. I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp.

Have you seen the Hulk recently?