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*From the beginning to now*

*No presence*

Everyoine at peak levels


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Based on feats, direct fights, etc what are the top 5 looking like

Elaine, Lucifer, and Michael.
Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman.
Darkest Knight, and Dr. Manhattan.
Perpetua.
Ultra-Monitor.

Presence, source, overvoid
AntiCrisis WW, Cosmic Superman, Michael
Darkest Knight, and Dr. Manhattan. Mandrakk
Perpetua.
Ultra-Monitor.

1.Leslie
2. Gary
3. Alex
4. Aloysius
5. Prudence.

Talking current...

Source/Overvoid
Judge of the Source (Cosmic Raptor)
Darkest Knight/Death Metal Dianna
Perpetua/The Hands
Dr. Manhattan

Originally posted by Galan007
Talking current...

Source/Overvoid
Judge of the Source (Cosmic Raptor)
Darkest Knight/Death Metal Dianna
Perpetua/The Hands
Dr. Manhattan
The hands were above Darkest Knight though.

The implication seemed to be that The Hands were peers of Perpetua -- essentially the role that Perpetua would have filled if she hadn't gone rogue. DK also seemed pretty confident that he could wipe them all out.

Originally posted by Galan007
Talking current...

Source/Overvoid
Judge of the Source (Cosmic Raptor)
Darkest Knight/Death Metal Dianna
Perpetua/The Hands
Dr. Manhattan

I thought the cosmic raptor served the judges aka the Hands.

No, he said that the hands would kill them all and that's why he was trying to bargain with Diana.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he said that the hands would kill them all and that's why he was trying to bargain with Diana. At one point DK stated that if he and Dianna continued fighting, the Hands would become stronger than them(I'm assuming this is due to DK expending valuable energy against Dianna, and therefore becoming weaker.) However, DK repeatedly stated that if he and Dianna ceased fighting then and there, he would kill The Hands, and create an "eden" for her.

So I took that as: DK(full power) > The Hands > DK(energy depleted as a result of a continued battle with Dianna.)

...Unless I'm not remembering something?

Originally posted by Galan007
Talking current...

Source/Overvoid
Judge of the Source (Cosmic Raptor)
Darkest Knight/Death Metal Dianna
Perpetua/The Hands
Dr. Manhattan

What do you think Seid meant based on these scans? saying he's final , the end, etc Is he implying no greater power exceeds his. and yes, there's more than one meaning to finite.

https://i.postimg.cc/kByP6w5c/156172336-3742470122514419-2798903558751031206-o.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/k6SknvZW/154506744-3742470369181061-2795982941975107835-o.jpg

1. Prime
2. The Presence
3. Everyone else

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What do you think Seid meant based on these scans? saying he's final , the end, etc Is he implying no greater power exceeds his. and yes, there's more than one meaning to finite.

https://i.postimg.cc/kByP6w5c/156172336-3742470122514419-2798903558751031206-o.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/k6SknvZW/154506744-3742470369181061-2795982941975107835-o.jpg Mentioned this in another thread, but I'm assuming he'll be the "greater threat" The Hands warned Dianna of just before the reboot.

Entirely possible this iteration of Darkseid will prove to be > DK. Not a fan at all.

Originally posted by Galan007
Mentioned this in another thread, but I'm assuming he'll be the "greater threat" The Hands warned Dianna of just before the reboot.

Entirely possible this iteration of Darkseid will prove to be > DK. Not a fan at all.

Yeah. The scan says he's final if something is final how can something be after that? If something is the end how can something come after that? I think Darkseid's claiming he's the limit and nothing excedes him directly.

1. Alfred

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/7/73552/2137920-2135810_alfred_super.jpg

2. Batman

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11125/111251575/5100259-7489814441-22150.png

3. BaThomas Wayne

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11123/111237346/4626557-thomas%20wayne%20flashpoint.png

4. Time Drake from the future

https://tinyurl.com/e8yux7t3

5. BaT-Rex

https://tinyurl.com/2reedv9p

Originally posted by Galan007
Talking current...

Source/Overvoid
Judge of the Source (Cosmic Raptor)
Darkest Knight/Death Metal Dianna
Perpetua/The Hands
Dr. Manhattan I have DK ~ the Raptor, and crisis Dianna < DK.

God(Oversoul)
Presence, Overvoid, The Source
Elaine
Lucifer, Michael,
Empty Hand
The Endless


Originally posted by Astner
Elaine, Lucifer, and Michael.



, people forget about the fundamentals

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1. Alfred

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/7/73552/2137920-2135810_alfred_super.jpg

2. Batman

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11125/111251575/5100259-7489814441-22150.png

3. BaThomas Wayne

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11123/111237346/4626557-thomas%20wayne%20flashpoint.png

4. Time Drake from the future

https://tinyurl.com/e8yux7t3

5. BaT-Rex

https://tinyurl.com/2reedv9p

Where would you place the Batmain Man who Frags?

Superior to Batman, inferior to Alfred, I guess

Originally posted by Galan007
....
Judge of the Source (Cosmic Raptor)
.....
https://i.postimg.cc/VrHBPhFw/The-Cosmic-Raptor-Prime-Earth-01.jpg
DC's Phoenix Force is awesome

Superman
Superboy Prime
Presence
DK
Perpetua

^

No JRJseid on your list?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
^

No JRJseid on your list? If that DS hadn't kill my boy Phantom Stranger he would probably be Despero level at best. Pocket Universe Superboy would tear him a new one in a self-contained Action Comics story.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Presence, source, overvoid
AntiCrisis WW, Cosmic Superman, Michael
Darkest Knight, and Dr. Manhattan. Mandrakk
Perpetua.
Ultra-Monitor.
I would maybe put Cosmic Superman one down, and Perperua one up, but other than that i agree with this hierachy.

Originally posted by zopzop
https://i.postimg.cc/VrHBPhFw/The-Cosmic-Raptor-Prime-Earth-01.jpg
DC's Phoenix Force is awesome

The Raptor has masters. The Hands perhaps?

Originally posted by Senor Cage
The Raptor has masters. The Hands perhaps?

the judges of the source/the hands of the source

Originally posted by MrMind
the judges of the source/the hands of the source

They never showed Judges?

The judges are the hands

lucifer and michael's feats dwarfs most of snyder's creations

Originally posted by LordGod
I have DK ~ the Raptor They are both > Pertpetua, but the Judge owned Perpetua with far greater ease than DK.

I feel Mxy should be on someone's list other than mine

Originally posted by Galan007
They are both > Pertpetua, but the Judge owned Perpetua with far greater ease than DK.

yeah, the raptor oneshotted her

dk and perpetua battled for a long time

Originally posted by SithLantern93
I feel Mxy should be on someone's list other than mine

there are a lot that's missing

people have recency bias, iz normal

Mxy not in the top 5 anymore? How times have changed

The Source, Judges, Raptor, DK, God WW, Perpetua, Manhattan, and the Brothers Three are all more powerful than Mxy.

Edit: Most likely Current Darkseid and SBP as well.