New 52 Superman vs New 52 Black Adam

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Bodybuildingbob
Round 1: Superman morals on
Round 2messeduperman morals off

Superman:-
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/10/103184/3968492-superman-unchained-001.jpg

Black Adam:-
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_small/6/66303/2432749-screen_shot_2012_06_27_at_4.51.45_pm.png

EcstaticGrace

carver9
The comic that you're using as moving the moon, that entire story was a lowball fest. Superman himself in that same book said that Darkseid is the only being in the universe that can destroy a planet. Black Adam and Sinestro moving the moon is a high showing for the writer of that story. Anyways, I would say split or slight edge to Supes.

EcstaticGrace

carver9
He does though. Him and Captain Marvel knocked out Superboy Prime.

EcstaticGrace

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DarkSaint85

Prof. T.C McAbe
New52 Supes was at least trans, while New52 Black Adam was a mid Herald at best.

Bodybuildingbob
trans and herald difference ?

EcstaticGrace

Sin I AM

carver9
Most powerful. That was contradicted though because he fought beings more powerful than him.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Strongest or most powerful?

Superman is generally treated as being the strongest character among his peers. They just tend to fudge it at times, not knowing that there can be a difference between strongest and most powerful.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Most powerful. That was contradicted though because he fought beings more powerful than him.

Mmmmmm statements

EcstaticGrace

carver9
They were wrong though. Wraith was on the planet during that time and it was proven and shown via fights that Wraith was more powerful and more versatile.

https://i.imgur.com/ZaZCTXc.jpg

He also tanked the blackhole bullets that messed Superman up...

https://m.imgur.com/a/usiTlbO

This...

https://i.imgur.com/ylMWkS1.jpg

carver9
This applies to Hulk as well in Marvel. It's mentioned continuously that he is the most powerful being on the planet, the same planet that Zeus live on. He isn't the most powerful. Both are close to it but they have people above them.

carthage
Clark butchers him

Bodybuildingbob
Originally posted by carver9
They were wrong though. Wraith was on the planet during that time and it was proven and shown via fights that Wraith was more powerful and more versatile.

https://i.imgur.com/ZaZCTXc.jpg

He also tanked the blackhole bullets that messed Superman up...

https://m.imgur.com/a/usiTlbO

This...

https://i.imgur.com/ylMWkS1.jpg
have you actually read these comics ?!

EcstaticGrace

carver9
Originally posted by Bodybuildingbob
have you actually read these comics ?!

Have you?

carver9
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/122587/2377092-storm1.jpg

That is just 1 of the numerous of times Hulks been called this. I don't think versatility have anything to do with it either. Example, Silver Surfer is far more versatile than Superman and most feel Supes could match him. 90% of the people on KMC think Supes can stomp him. If your versatility is meaningless against your opponent who can soak up whatever you throw at them. Example, HP Doomsday is a powerful brick... throw him in the Ultimate Universe and he would be consider the most powerful being on the planet. People more versatile that have high end strength and durability but Doomsday damage Soak and strength would most likely overcome anyone he face. This is what makes Superman and especially Hulk so unique. On one hand, both of these opponents have people that are far more powerful but due to Supermans high end durability stacked with his speed and strength, he would overcome most versatile characters abilities and pull out the win. Hulk has been fighting teams of Heralds since his creation and his rage, amping abilities, strength and healing factors overcomes most people on earth. Transmutation doesn't even work on him. Intangibility, etc...

Again, even though they are called the most powerful, it's not a factual statement because there are some out there on the planet that is more powerful.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by carver9
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/122587/2377092-storm1.jpg

That is just 1 of the numerous of times Hulks been called this. I don't think versatility have anything to do with it either. Example, Silver Surfer is far more versatile than Superman and most feel Supes could match him. 90% of the people on KMC think Supes can stomp him. If your versatility is meaningless against your opponent who can sock up whatever you throw at them, then again, it's meaningless. Example, HP Doomsday is a powerful brick... throw him in the Ultimate Universe and he would be consider the most powerful being on the planet. People more versatile that have high end strength and durability but Doomsday damage Soak and strength would most likely overcome anyone he face. This is what makes Superman and especially Hulk so unique. On one hand, both of these opponents have people that are far more powerful but due to Supermans high end durability stacked with his speed and strength, he would overcome most versatile characters abilities and pull out the win. Hulk has been fighting teams of Heralds since his creation and his rage, amping abilities, strength and healing factors overcomes most people on earth. Transmutation doesn't even work on him. Intangibility, etc...

Again, even though they are called the most powerful, it's not a factual statement because there are some out there on the planet that is more powerful.
Difference is, Helspont evaluated all metahumans and this was the result. Here Storm is just sharing her opinion. Facts > Feelings.

carver9
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Difference is, Helspont evaluated all metahumans and this was the result. Here Storm is just sharing her opinion. Facts > Feelings.

Batman evaluated Superman and Wraith and he said Wraith is more powerful. Facts>Feelings. Even Superman said Wraith is more powerful.

-Pr-
You say things like "far more powerful" without really understanding the term. WTH, man?

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
You say things like "far more powerful" without really understanding the term. WTH, man?

When I said far more powerful, I was talking about across the universe, not just the planet. Across the universe, there are being that would poop both Superman and Hulk out at the same time.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by carver9
Batman evaluated Superman and Wraith and he said Wraith is more powerful. Facts>Feelings. Even Superman said Wraith is more powerful.

He says, "likely more powerful" and how much energy he is pulling 140 vs 160, which, if you know Superman depens also on his proximity to the sun and his mental state. So no. Batman believes based on the number that it is likely. Helsponts data was evaluated, and the conclusion was Superman is the most powerful. Read your own scans smile.

carver9
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
He says, "likely more powerful" and how much energy he is pulling 140 vs 160, which, if you know Superman depens also on his proximity to the sun and his mental state. So no. Batman believes based on the number that it is likely. Helsponts data was evaluated, and the conclusion was Superman is the most powerful. Read your own scans smile.

Lol... Superman said Wraith is more powerful than him as well and that he cant beat him straight up. Let's nip this in the bud. The NARRATOR said Hulk is amongst one of the 2 most powerful living beings...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/136540/3118115-3005113751-29611.jpg

Now we can move past Storm saying it.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... Superman said Wraith is more powerful than him as well and that he cant beat him straight up. Let's nip this in the bud. The NARRATOR said Hulk is amongst one of the 2 most powerful living beings...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/136540/3118115-3005113751-29611.jpg

Now we can move past Storm saying it.

Well, Superman is a nice guy. Yet it doesn't changes the Fact Helspont gave us, and it surely doesn't changes the fact that Batman assumes something.

As for the narrator. He doesn't say one of the two but between two of the most powerful living beings (undead and nonliving machinelike not included), which can mean two out of 100.000.

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
When I said far more powerful, I was talking about across the universe, not just the planet. Across the universe, there are being that would poop both Superman and Hulk out at the same time.

Right, but the conversation was, for the most part, going by the descriptor "most powerful on Earth".

carver9
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Well, Superman is a nice guy. Yet it doesn't changes the Fact Helspont gave us, and it surely doesn't changes the fact that Batman assumes something.

As for the narrator. He doesn't say one of the two but between two of the most powerful living beings (undead and nonliving machinelike not included), which can mean two out of 100.000.

Show me Helspont scanning everyone on Earth because Supergirl was scanned and it was said she is the most powerful being on the planet. The scanners in DC is garbage.

So we agree Hulk is one of the most powerful living beings with just Galaxy Master being the only other being to either equal or exceed him? (Hulk probably exceeds since GM said he fears Hulk)...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/136540/3550866-4475504562-35507.jpg

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
Right, but the conversation was, for the most part, going by the descriptor "most powerful on Earth".

Good point.

EcstaticGrace
It would be interesting if we tallied up all the mentions of being the most powerful character on Earth/Their Earth or Universe who would come out on top.

I made a thread about the topic on CBR on both the Marvel/DC forums.

https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?147956-DC%92s-most-powerful-most-dangerous-%93claim%94

https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?147960-Marvel-Most-Powerful-Most-Dangerous-claim

carver9
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
It would be interesting if we tallied up all the mentions of being the most powerful character on Earth/Their Earth or Universe who would come out on top.

I made a thread about the topic on CBR on both the Marvel/DC forums.

https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?147956-DC%92s-most-powerful-most-dangerous-%93claim%94

https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?147960-Marvel-Most-Powerful-Most-Dangerous-claim

Why though? It would only be a challenge between Superman and Hulk and that's boring since we have a thousand threads with the 2.

EcstaticGrace

EcstaticGrace

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by carver9
Show me Helspont scanning everyone on Earth because Supergirl was scanned and it was said she is the most powerful being on the planet. The scanners in DC is garbage.

So we agree Hulk is one of the most powerful living beings with just Galaxy Master being the only other being to either equal or exceed him? (Hulk probably exceeds since GM said he fears Hulk)...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/136540/3550866-4475504562-35507.jpg

That is a nonsense request Carver and you know it.

No, english is not my native language, your neither I guess. So maybe someone can settle this.

What does "The titanic battle between TWO OF THE MOST POWERFUL LIVING ENTITIES" means?
1. That those two are the most powerful living entities. And Hulk is one of them.
2. That those are two of the most powerful living entities. And there are more than just those two. They are in the club of the most powerful living entities with an unknown number of members.

carver9
Lol... it says it in the scan. They are two of the most powerful living entities. They didn't say "they are two of the most powerful entities amongst others". I don't take anyone else on this site words for anything since this site is mainly a DC fan made place. Maybe if it came from a mod but that's about it.

carver9
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Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by carver9
https://ibb.co/1fK5JBX
https://ibb.co/2ZpKntL
https://ibb.co/9VcG4dJ
Wow, that's what I call desperate.

carver9
Lol... I have 15 more scans ready at my disposal.

Bodybuildingbob
Marvel once stated that Captain America and Bucky were the most powerful american avengers on the planet back in 1960's golden age comics against Red Skull but that wasn't true and now in the scans which carver showed. The thing is , Superman had been able to resist the most powerful magic in the universe and even Lex told him that he had the most powerful raw energy in all of their galaxy.

carver9
He said 1960s 🤣🤣🤣

The desperation. Also, Hulk was said to be more powerful than the entire Celestial race. Hulk was said to be more powerful than a Robot built to take out the Celestial race. What were you trying to prove here? Hell, Hulk power has even surprised Classic Beyonder.

StiltmanFTW
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Diesldude
I wonder who voted for Black Adam.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by Diesldude
I wonder who voted for Black Adam. We'll probably never know.

Diesldude
Originally posted by One Big Mob
We'll probably never know. I think I know who it is.

He claims to be a Superman fan but never ever votes for him, even in team matches. His username has 3 letters, starts with a J and ends with an L, boasts that he’s rich and has big boats.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
He does though. Him and Captain Marvel knocked out Superboy Prime.

All of you are forgetting the main issue here, which is that Carver tried to use Rebirth comics in a thread which specifies n52.

Diesldude

Bodybuildingbob
Bump

lawest9
Alright Bob, BA has always been a tough fight for Supes, but I think going all out and down to the wire Supers will win in a grueling battle, now will you give your opinion on the Wraith vs Hulk fight.

StiltmanFTW
It's not Bob, it's Time.

Diesldude
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's not Bob, it's Time. I like calling him Bob though.

Bodybuildingbob
Originally posted by Diesldude
I like calling him Bob though.

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