!!!!!!!!!!!! Smurph vs Darksaint [Spring Tourney Semi-final] !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Philosophía
Smurph

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/77/467745-black_bolt_jae_lee05.jpg

vs

Darksaint

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/51/66/85/516685b9e89435c65dd3f456ad0d065f.jpg

Rules:
- no bfr
- standard equip
- no prep
- 0.5 km starting distance
- battlefield = normal Earth that regenerates , can't leave the battlefield without getting back in max 30 sec.
- location: New York

https://cdn.travelpulse.com/images/ccaaedf4-a957-df11-b491-006073e71405/796a2473-0b2c-4549-8c62-69245774b1a8/630x355.jpg

Judges:
Pr
Delta
Diesldude

Philosophía
Smurph's opening post:

Philosophía
Darksaint's opening post:

Smurph
Smurph: Post 2

First off, sorry that my OP ended up with no spacing between lines. Weird glitch from copying text, but hopefully it wasn't too annoying to parse.

That said, comparing the OPs was interesting. My opponent clearly planned on Black Bolt coming out of the gate swinging and screaming. He isn't doing that, so Lobo loses his key opportunity.

The issue is that Lobo is very powerful but very limited, which is an achilles heel in a tourney match. In order to win, the battle has to strictly be on Lobo's terms. I happily concede that Lobo has the advantage if Black Bolt stays in New York and tries to brawl a horde of Czarnian clones... but that's why Black Bolt's first move is to fly to Earth's upper atmosphere.

At that point, the battle is on Black Bolt's terms. Lobo can make as many clones as he wants, but there's only one Lobo that can reach Bolt /shrug

I'll get into these points in the rest of my post, but here's the summary:

DS expected Black Bolt to fight in NYC. Instead of doing that, Bolt immediately gets out of Dodge, and out of reach.
DS expected Bolt to expend energy fighting clones. Bolt isn't attacking the clones, at all. Instead of expending energy, he's amassing it.
In fact, the only person attacking the clones is... Lobo. He's sending them hurtling to the Earth, and then he's maybe throwing a moon at them.
DS doesn't get to dictate what the clones do, because they're separate characters. Instead he relies on them retaliating against their attacker. Therefore, they attack Lobo.
Meanwhile, Black Bolt is safe and sound. He can track Lobo. He can take out the spacehog, put Lobo in a force field, and sleep him for a quick and simple win.



Congratulations, Lobo. You played yourself.


https://justpaste.it/img/8c1d0bc53393314ea45f414780339d3a.jpg




Cool cool cool. So my opponent creates a clone army in the anticipation that Black Bolt will attack those clones and start a war.

Unfortunately for him, Black Bolt doesn't attack the clones. He doesn't even regard them. He leaves NYC, before any clones even exist, as does Lobo.

Which leaves the clones to enact "vengeance on the guys what shot em up"

Who is the guy that shot em up? Lobo. He made the clones out of bloody loogies and spat them at NYC as he was driving to the moon.

Then he threw the moon at them. laughing out loud

Look: I know DS and I probably don't see eye-to-eye on much in this match, but at the very least we can all agree that Lobo is not a telepath, right? So Lobo has no way to communicate with his clones, other than verbally, and that's not an option, because Lobo ditched the clones immediately and detoured through space.

It was a weird choice for Lobo to flee rather than fight, and it means that his supposed "clone army" lacks a commanding officer. In fact, it's Lobo himself who is attacking them.

Furthermore, per DS's own scans, it's the very nature of Lobo clones to start killing each other until there's only one left standing.

It's ludicrous for DS to try to dictate the specific actions of each clone, like telling them to find and eat beans (lolwut). This isn't Iron Man controlling his armors. He doesn't have the ability like Animal Man to create a hive mind. Lobo is a murderous toon who's just created a multitude of murderous toons, and the very nature of those toons commands them to kill each other.

The ONLY thing thing on the minds of these clones will be killing Lobo.

And even if I'm wrong, it truly doesn't effect Black Bolt, because he's chilling in the upper atmosphere, out of reach of anybody except for a Lobo riding the spacehog. So either Lobo himself is going to come directly to me, or a clone will kill Lobo, take the spacehog, and Black Bolt wins the match without lifting a finger.

And I mean, even if they leap, Darksaint would need to prove that a Lobo clone can accurately leap at a speck in the upper atmosphere. And even then, BB will just... move. Even if there are a lot of them, Black Bolt simply flies upwards and the leaping clones just... collide, lol. If there is any doubt left, consider that BB would start out flying over the atlantic ocean. Clones can leap, miss, sink, and BB has flown away uneffected.

Clones are going to either hunt Lobo down immediately, or they're going to resort to it when they can't tag Black Bolt.

Lobo's very first action was to guarantee his own demise. On the other hand, for Black Bolt, the clones are irrelevant. He's not attacking them, and he'll just avoid any who get close.

Black Bolt's energy reserves are uber


My opponent's OP claims that Bolt's stamina is one of the worst in comics. Lol, what? Big words. He wrote them and then showed... exactly nothing to back it up. Just one scan that says that BB uses energy to attack. That puts him in the exact same category as... every other comic book character. thumb up

On the contrary, as I showed in my OP, BB's can draw enough energy from the atmosphere to power the gigantic batteries of his futuristic city for 10,000 years.

He can also use his energy to support his own life force for a loooong time.

In one of the earliest Inhumans appearances, they're hit by a plague, I think as an act of biowarfare. Every Inhuman is infected, and they number in the thousands. Black Bolt uses his personal energy reserves to maintain the life-force of his nation. This goes on for weeks.

https://i.postimg.cc/hhMDDszW/inhuman-plague-1.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/ZCRTCNp9/inhuman-plague-2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/XJyYf9hd/maintain-lifeforce.jpg



In this battle, Black Bolt does not have to power his city, and he does not have to keep his people alive. In other words, he has access to a VAST energy supply (the Earth's atmosphere), and the only things he needs it for are:

Personal force field
Flight
Nab and sleep Lobo

Black Bolt can track Lobo's bike

When the match starts, Bolt and Lobo both head immediately upwards. Lobo's bike is going to be... extremely obvious.

At that point, BB will be able to track it anywhere.

https://imgur.com/RR4SIoi

As shown, he can track even faint energy emissions. He also has a sort of cosmic awareness and can sense things from star systems away:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111198060/4382657-black%20bolt%20is%20op%2064.png

Lobo's bike has got to be the loudest, easiest thing to track on Earth.

Grabbing Lobo will be... very easy


The most likely scenario is that Lobo's own clones will kill him before Black Bolt needs to intervene.

However, as shown, it's going to be easy for Black Bolt to track the energy left by Lobo's spacehog. So the second most likely scenario is that Black Bolt finds Lobo before his murderous clones do. At that point...

https://imgur.com/JKZfaLu

Reverse polarity energy field. Lobo will be suspended, and momentarily helpless. Bolt will then use the same trick that he used on Maximus the Mad, and Lobo will be just as useless to resist as he was at resisting hypnosis.

Again, I stress that Black Bolt is not a telepath, and this isn't a telepathic attack. He's just going to momentarily hotwire Lobo's nervous system so the guy passes out for a quick forum KO.

Black Bolt also doesn't need to be close to either dispense with Lobo, or with his spacehog.

https://imgur.com/Kvjd6Iy

He can use his powers at range.

Final points and my next post

A quick point about Lobo's jaunt to the moon:



Judges, this math is wrong. 1.3 seconds is the time it would take to go from the Earth to the Moon moving at lightspeed.

https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/topics/how-far-away- moon#:~:text=Light%20travels%20at%20300%2C000%20ki
lometres,seconds%20away%20from%20the%20Earth.

DS needs to double his travel time. Additionally, DS needs to show that Lobo's bike can go from stationary to top speed instantly.

If Lobo can reach the moon, he would have... 10-15 seconds at most? If we're being generous? Not that it really matters, because the end result is the same either way. My point is merely that he will not have time to hide and somehow size up his situation and then drive back to Earth. He'll arrive and need to turn around immediately. Black Bolt will track him as he does.


In my next/final post, I'm going to post evidence showing that Black Bolt can survive everything that's being thrown at him in this match. I'll also recap the key points, and respond to whatever Darksaint is putting together for his middle post. This match hasn't unfolded the way that he wanted it to, and his big ace (the clones) are worse than useless. I anticipate that Darksaint will challenge the effectiveness of my OP, but it's a pretty simple plan. I'll just use my closing post to rebut and respond as needed.

DarkSaint85

Philosophía
Smurph's 3rd post



Of course, if a clone can be hypnotized, then so can Lobo.

Darksaint wrote a lot about Black Bolt trying to hypnotize the world but that's just... not what either of my posts said. If BB needs to give the clones a nudge to attack each other instead of him, he can. It's not necessary but it's there in case there's any doubt remaining here.


The problem with clones

So to recap, Darksaint:
Is all over the place with his plan
Has admitted that the hypnosis will work
Has no way to reach BB with clones

Those are big gaps, and I'll urge the judges to keep them in mind. But the biggest, most glaring issue is that Darksaint said that he is instantly creating a billion Lobo clones and then... throwing the moon at them. laughing out loud

It's just an absurd overreach to the point of self-sabotage.



This guy just doesn't know when to stop, step back, and reconsider.

Ok, so Lobo's going to start the match by trying to create a billion clones.

How many clones has Darksaint actually shown Lobo creating? 15? Two dozen?

A far cry from a billion.

Let's see what happens when you pack Lobo clones in together:

https://i.postimg.cc/C1KH3rkp/Lobo-clones.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/V6HBm9Wr/Lobo-clones-fight.jpg



laughing out loud

That's just a few clones and it took them all of three panels to descend into chaos and start killing each other.

Lobo's a powerful character but the comics have dealt with the insanity of his cloning by explaining that his clones start killing each other. I know this, Darksaint knows this.

DS has no way to control or even communicate with the clones.

Black Bolt is strategically and specifically not attacking the clones.

Lobo is throwing the moon at his own clones.

There is absolutely zero chance that those clones don't instantly turn on Darksaint. They are a horde of creatures with the ability to track him and vengeance on their mind.

This is a historic example of a tourney frontrunner taking himself out with his own OP.

Philosophía
Darksaint's post is below 10k but it won't let me post it. This forum...

I'll post it as it is since I'm on the phone and I already posted the other one then I will edit it with one sentence or something removed.

Philosophía

Philosophía

Philosophía
And with that, Judges, the match is done. Please PM me for any questions.

Philosophía
Diesldude's verdict:




Delta's verdict:



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Congratulations Darksaint, you advance to the FINAL.

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Smurph

DarkSaint85
And to reiterate my point in the discussion thread, this was way closer than it appears - despite Smurph's gracious words, it certainly did not appear as if he had no way around things!

Philosophía
Update.

Pr's verdict:

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