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Honestly, why is Batman even in that pic, let alone grin and center to fight a being like Darkseid?

Darkseid stomps...

He not only tanked Supergirl punch but he fodderized high father...

https://i.imgur.com/XQBRp68.jpg

Amped Superman and Supergirl attacks are nothing...

https://i.imgur.com/guUul3Z.jpg

Was on the verge of killing amped Supergirl and took out Superman panels before this...

https://m.imgur.com/a/pMM6OQZ

He did all of this while losing power...

https://i.imgur.com/GYiiXam.jpg

This isn't even getting into the realms of talking about his Omegas.

Originally posted by carver9
Darkseid stomps...

He not only tanked Supergirl punch but he fodderized high father...

https://i.imgur.com/XQBRp68.jpg

Amped Superman and Supergirl attacks are nothing...

https://i.imgur.com/guUul3Z.jpg

Was on the verge of killing amped Supergirl and took out Superman panels before this...

https://m.imgur.com/a/pMM6OQZ

He did all of this while losing power...

https://i.imgur.com/GYiiXam.jpg

This isn't even getting into the realms of talking about his Omegas.
Is Great Darkness Saga even canon? It's an alternate future, not to mention Darkseid was amped after having absorbed Mordru's and Time Trapper's powers.

Was it ever shown of him even losing that power he stole and when was this deemed as non-canon?

Carver actually right about a lot of things today, relatively speaking
GDS is canon
Booster Gold run specifically referred this story
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Booster-Gold-2007/Issue-32?id=36569#2
And Darkseid specifically mentioned he was weaker than his previous self even after absorbing mordru and time trapper

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-37.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Was it ever shown of him even losing that power he stole and when was this deemed as non-canon?
First and foremost he did steal their powers. Darkseid fights Mordru in an attempt to siphon his power.

https://i.imgur.com/lxpBKfzm.jpg

It's then confirmed that he succeeded, and that he had drained Time Trapper as well.

https://i.imgur.com/VkMDwOfm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rmUL2Qym.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/ONSMpBOm.jpg

But he does lose control of his powers because of his age.

https://i.imgur.com/q4XOs4Ym.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/XXu0Hr6m.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/CnFIJkhm.jpg

The reason I don't think it's canon is because it's a story that takes place in the 30th century. Although it may be now with the current state of affairs after Darkest Nights.

in marvel, future stories are just alternative timelines

in dc, this is not the case

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And Darkseid specifically mentioned he was weaker than his previous self even after absorbing mordru and time trapper
No, he was initially a lot stronger, being able to telepathically take control over the entire Daxamite population and turn their Red Sun into a Yellow Sun, effectively giving him an army of three billion Supermen.

But he eventually lost control of that power and his Daxamite army because of his age.

My point is, it's a very different version of Darkseid that we're dealing with here.

True Darkseid is going to be the antagonist of the Infinite Frontier event, so we might as well wait until that concludes.

Originally posted by Astner
No, he was initially a lot stronger, being able to telepathically take control over the entire Daxamite population and turn their Red Sun into a Yellow Sun, effectively giving him an army of three billion Supermen.

But he eventually lost control of that power and his Daxamite army because of his age.

My point is, it's a very different version of Darkseid that we're dealing with here.

True Darkseid is going to be the antagonist of the Infinite Frontier event, so we might as well wait until that concludes.

It's still Darkseid though and his pre crisis fts are Canon.

Also, as mentioned, nothing was ever shown of him losing that amp. His powers were fading but he immediately went back to full power after that showing. Now the determination needs to be, what full power did he go back to and again, nothing was shown or stated of him losing his power up.

Originally posted by carver9
It's still Darkseid though and his pre crisis fts are Canon.

Also, as mentioned, nothing was ever shown of him losing that amp. His powers were fading but he immediately went back to full power after that showing.
What are you talking about? His body literally exploded.Originally posted by Astner
https://i.imgur.com/CnFIJkhm.jpg Originally posted by carver9
Now the determination needs to be, what full power did he go back to and again, nothing was shown or stated of him losing his power up.
He never regained his powers after this. The Great Darkness Saga ended just after this.

Originally posted by Astner
No, he was initially a lot stronger, being able to telepathically take control over the entire Daxamite population and turn their Red Sun into a Yellow Sun, effectively giving him an army of three billion Supermen.

But he eventually lost control of that power and his Daxamite army because of his age.

My point is, it's a very different version of Darkseid that we're dealing with here.

True Darkseid is going to be the antagonist of the Infinite Frontier event, so we might as well wait until that concludes.
The comic didnt say that though.
"So..........My powers have waned over the millennnium! While focused on you, They proved INSUFFICENT FOR OTHER NEEDS"
It didnt say he lost control of that power. It stated that powers were insufficent for him fighting legion while controlling daxamite army. So he compared his powers to his previous powers and concluded his powers have waned
https://i.imgur.com/XXu0Hr6m.jpg
Basically GDS Darkseid< Modern Darkseid based on that statement. Comparing feats is another story though due to the power jump DC has been giving to Darkseid/New Gods after Final Crisis event
But the main point I agree. Now True Darkseid lacks feats and the Infinite Frontier event is still going. So lets wait and see

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
The comic didnt say that though.
"So..........My powers have waned over the millennnium! While focused on you, They proved INSUFFICENT FOR OTHER NEEDS"
It didnt say he lost control of that power. It stated that powers were insufficent for him fighting legion while controlling daxamite army. Sp he compared his powers to his previous powers and concluded his powers have waned
https://i.imgur.com/XXu0Hr6m.jpg
He literally explodes in the subsequent page.

He's not beaten or pummeled to death, he gives his speech and then he blows up.

Originally posted by Astner
He literally explodes in the subsequent page.

He's not beaten or pummeled to death, he gives his speech and then he blows up.
And? I dont see this has anything to do with what I said....

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And? I dont see this has anything to do with what I said....
Why do you think he suddenly loses control, why do you think he suddenly just explodes? Because he's fatigued. He has exhausted the powers that he gathered.

He doesn't have the stamina he used to have. It has nothing to do with his Power Level being lower. When he first manifested in the Great Darkness Saga he changed the nature of Daxam's Sun and telepathically took control of three billion Daxamites. This is not something someone who struggles fighting Superman could accomplish.

To be fair, I think both Darkseid and Mikaboshi are the most overrated characters in terms of power for their respective franchises.

Mikaboshi is treated as a multiversal threat because he destroyed the vast majority of pantheon realms which collectively were referred to as the multiverse. When normally they're just part of the universe. He was also defeated by being trapped in a universe in which he believed he had succeeded in his quest.

And Darkseid is treated as if he could destroy the multiverse if he accidentally tripped while descending a flight of stairs. He was fatally injured by Orion, he fell into the multiverse (and nothing came of that) where he lived as a decrepit old man until Batman shot him again with the same bullet, and Darkseid only manages to get by because of the Anti-Life Equation. Until Superman shows up and starts singing that is.

Neither of these characters are anywhere near as impressive as they're made out to be.

As for my opinion on this: True Darkseid killing off the Quintessence already puts him around Mikaboshi's level, but it's a very different type of feat from almost destroying the universe. We'll see how consistent that display of power turns out to be.

Originally posted by Astner
What are you talking about? His body literally exploded.
He never regained his powers after this. The Great Darkness Saga ended just after this.
Only if you never read Quite Darkness Saga in Legion of Superheroes.

Originally posted by Astner
Why do you think he suddenly loses control, why do you think he suddenly just explodes? Because he's fatigued. He has exhausted the powers that he gathered.

He doesn't have the stamina he used to have. It has nothing to do with his Power Level being lower. When he first manifested in the Great Darkness Saga he changed the nature of Daxam's Sun and telepathically took control of three billion Daxamites.

This is not something someone who struggles fighting Superman could accomplish.

To be fair, I think both Darkseid and Mikaboshi are the most overrated characters in terms of power of their respective franchises.

Mikaboshi is treated as a multiversal threat because he destroyed the vast majority of pantheon realms because they were referred to as the multiverse. When normally they're just part of the universe. He was also defeated by being trapped in a universe in which he believed he had succeeded in his quest.

And Darkseid is treated as if he could destroy the multiverse if he accidentally tripped while descending a flight of stairs. He was fatally injured by Orion, he fell into the multiverse (and nothing came of that) where he lived as a decrepit old man until Batman shot him again with the same bullet, and Darkseid only manages to get by because of the Anti-Life Equation. Until Superman shows up and starts singing that is.

Neither of these characters are anywhere near as impressive as they're made out to be.

As for my opinion on this: True Darkseid killing off the Quintessence already puts him around Mikaboshi's level, but it's a very different type of feat from almost destroying the universe. We'll see how consistent that display of power turns out to be.
I mean I never said he wasnt fatigued. Thats the first post I made in this thread
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Carver actually right about a lot of things today, relatively speaking
GDS is canon
Booster Gold run specifically referred this story
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Booster-Gold-2007/Issue-32?id=36569#2
And Darkseid specifically mentioned he was weaker than his previous self even after absorbing mordru and time trapper

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-37.jpg
And I also dont get he struggles fighting Superman has anything to do with that either. It sounds more like you think these showings in GDS are outliers rather than he was amped.
Im fine with the rest part. Like I said, I agree with you we should wait until the Infinite Frontier concluded

Originally posted by Astner
Why do you think he suddenly loses control, why do you think he suddenly just explodes? Because he's fatigued. He has exhausted the powers that he gathered.

He doesn't have the stamina he used to have. It has nothing to do with his Power Level being lower. When he first manifested in the Great Darkness Saga he changed the nature of Daxam's Sun and telepathically took control of three billion Daxamites. This is not something someone who struggles fighting Superman could accomplish.

To be fair, I think both Darkseid and Mikaboshi are the most overrated characters in terms of power for their respective franchises.

Mikaboshi is treated as a multiversal threat because he destroyed the vast majority of pantheon realms which collectively were referred to as the multiverse. When normally they're just part of the universe. He was also defeated by being trapped in a universe in which he believed he had succeeded in his quest.

And Darkseid is treated as if he could destroy the multiverse if he accidentally tripped while descending a flight of stairs. He was fatally injured by Orion, he fell into the multiverse (and nothing came of that) where he lived as a decrepit old man until Batman shot him again with the same bullet, and Darkseid only manages to get by because of the Anti-Life Equation. Until Superman shows up and starts singing that is.

Neither of these characters are anywhere near as impressive as they're made out to be.

As for my opinion on this: True Darkseid killing off the Quintessence already puts him around Mikaboshi's level, but it's a very different type of feat from almost destroying the universe. We'll see how consistent that display of power turns out to be.
Lolwut? Darkseid dragged all the multiverse because he fell on the multiverse, it's literally stated multiple times.

https://qphs.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-42d3d665d350a80011bafd651db8fbb5

Don't know how much clearer that can be. Also Darkseid never exploded after GDS, what are you talking about?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Only if you never read Quite Darkness Saga in Legion of Superheroes.
Okay. So what happened in the Quiet Darkness Saga?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
It sounds more like you think these showings in GDS are outliers rather than he was amped.
No. What I'm saying is that he was initially stronger, but he was unable to hold on to the power.

Either way, I don't think it's compatible with the current incarnation of the character.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lolwut? Darkseid dragged all the multiverse because he fell on the multiverse, it's literally stated multiple times.

https://qphs.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-42d3d665d350a80011bafd651db8fbb5
So what? Even though he did put considerable effort into destroying the it, nothing was destroyed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't know how much clearer that can be. Also Darkseid never exploded after GDS, what are you talking about?
Then you tell me what happens in the final panel of the last page I posted.

Originally posted by Astner
Okay. So what happened in the Quiet Darkness Saga?


No. What I'm saying is that he was initially stronger, but he was unable to hold on to the power.

Either way, I don't think it's compatible with the current incarnation of the character.

It's Canon to the current version of Darkseid, though. Also, we saw Darkseid right after this (him exploding). All I'm saying is, the ft belongs to the character and its Canon for current Darkseid. He never loss that power up and nothing points to him losing it.

Originally posted by carver9
It's Canon to the current version of Darkseid, though. Also, we saw Darkseid right after this (him exploding).
Not in a form in which he posed any direct threat.

I'll post the scan for reference, in case anyone is interested.

https://i.imgur.com/nkQQeSGm.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
All I'm saying is, the ft belongs to the character and its Canon for current Darkseid. He never loss that power up and nothing points to him losing it.
He did lose his control of the Daxamites. He concedes to his power weakening over time, his body explodes, and his planet blows up. What more do you want?

Originally posted by Astner

No. What I'm saying is that he was initially stronger, but he was unable to hold on to the power.

Either way, I don't think it's compatible with the current incarnation of the character.
And Im saying the comic never explicitly stated he was stronger, on the contrary, the comic explicitly stated he was weaker( Also considering some instances such as White Witch comparing Infinite Man's powers to Darkseid's in later legion's stories, it did imply Darkseid's powers were as strong if not stronger as GDS showed, During LOSH run at least)
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Legion-of-Super-Heroes-1984/Issue-18?id=85144#28
All in all, Our main point is the same. I also dont think we should be scaling current Darkseid(I.E true Darkseid) based on GDS

Originally posted by Astner
Okay. So what happened in the Quiet Darkness Saga?

He wasn't exploded in GDS?




He wasn't trying to destroy it, he was dragging it to the cosmic hell where he was headed. He teleported away. He appears again to curse Imra's child to be Validus and then changed him back in Legion.

Originally posted by Astner
Why do you think he suddenly loses control, why do you think he suddenly just explodes? Because he's fatigued. He has exhausted the powers that he gathered.

To be fair, I think both Darkseid and Mikaboshi are the most overrated characters in terms of power for their respective franchises.

Mikaboshi is treated as a multiversal threat because he destroyed the vast majority of pantheon realms which collectively were referred to as the multiverse. When normally they're just part of the universe. He was also defeated by being trapped in a universe in which he believed he had succeeded in his quest.
Agree about Mikaboshi to some extent, but it feels like CK's exploits was somewhat validated in the Thor annual.
The Other and Scrier seem to deal with multiversal happenings(more so the latter).

PC Superman > CK. DS wins.