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Can Elsa from Frozen movie do anything to fare against Smaug the dragon before it's too late?

She can do a lot. She froze an entire kingdom and started an ice age in under 5 minutes. She also created an entire castle from nothing just because she could. And that's just in the first movie. She's also the strongest of the elemental spirits. If she focused solely on him and wasn't playing around, he'd probably get flash frozen.

Originally posted by KingD19
She can do a lot. She froze an entire kingdom and started an ice age in under 5 minutes. She also created an entire castle from nothing just because she could. And that's just in the first movie. She's also the strongest of the elemental spirits. If she focused solely on him and wasn't playing around, he'd probably get flash frozen.
So Smaug slowly freezes just like this as a result?

Fire melts ice.

Originally posted by Checkm8
Fire melts ice.
You're right but Elsa extinguished Bruni's flames.

Originally posted by Tyrannoraptor
You're right but Elsa extinguished Bruni's flames. Smaug>>>>>>Bruni 😂😂

Originally posted by Checkm8
Smaug>>>>>>Bruni 😂😂
You mean Smaug would easily overpower Elsa?

Originally posted by Tyrannoraptor
You mean Smaug would easily overpower Elsa? Smaug would lose interest Elsa got no gold

Not only does Elsa not have any worth she is more of a blood sucking golddigging dungeoneer than Smaug

So as opposed to moving up in life Smaug would be imprisoned by the respawning knights of infinitum because PC plot device jobbing etc etc

Originally posted by Checkm8
Smaug would lose interest Elsa got no gold
So Smaug is superior to Elsa?

Originally posted by Checkm8
respawning knights of infinitum because PC plot device jobbing etc etc what's the term I'm looking for? Duex ex machina? Police? OP? Broken? Nah, it's something very specific to versus forum decorum...the term like when squirrel girl beat Thanos. What is that term?

EDIT: just plot device I guess

Oh yeah, character induced stupidity or plot induced stupidity, like the little arrow taking out Smaug because he was missing a scale in that seen in Hobbit 2

No. Smaug loses. Elsa froze a portion of an ocean by walking across it. She froze a giant landmass that was her kingdom on accident. Smaug is so small compared to the things she's iced up in a very short time frame that he'd end up the same way.

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Yeah plot induced stupidity

Originally posted by KingD19
No. Smaug loses. Elsa froze a portion of an ocean by walking across it. She froze a giant landmass that was her kingdom on accident. Smaug is so small compared to the things she's iced up in a very short time frame that he'd end up the same way. So salty.

Btw they use salt to melt ice. Being an icey queen is dead, these days balls in former dethroned icequeens court and good luck raising the low bar that being frozen set

Thats not plot induced stupidity. It's just plot. In the book Smaug just had a soft underbelly like most lizards and he didnt have jewels and gold protecting them so he was vulnerable. In the movie he had a scale knocked off and Bard hit the one vulnerable spot he had.

PIS would be something like Star Lord punching Thanos in the face because Gamora was dead even though he knew they needed him asleep to take the infinity gauntlet.

Originally posted by KingD19
Thats not plot induced stupidity. It's just plot. In the book Smaug just had a soft underbelly like most lizards and he didnt have jewels and gold protecting them so he was vulnerable. In the movie he had a scale knocked off and Bard hit the one vulnerable spot he had.

PIS would be something like Star Lord punching Thanos in the face because Gamora was dead even though he knew they needed him asleep to take the infinity gauntlet. or squirrel girl

Originally posted by Checkm8
So salty.

Btw they use salt to melt ice. Being an icey queen is dead, these days balls in former dethroned icequeens court and good luck raising the low bar that being frozen set

Who's salty? Who even are you? And lol at acting like Elsa's ice is normal. It's strong enough to shatter tempered steel and stop massive waves and avalanches in their tracks. She cam even create life with ice. Smaug loses brah.

And Squirrel Girl has nothing to do with this. She's a joke character so she always wins despite not actually being that powerful. That's the joke buti fele like you wouldn't get the nuance.

Originally posted by KingD19
No. Smaug loses. Elsa froze a portion of an ocean by walking across it. She froze a giant landmass that was her kingdom on accident. Smaug is so small compared to the things she's iced up in a very short time frame that he'd end up the same way.
You mean within a few seconds or less than that (even before or right at the start/beginning of the match)?!! But Smaug's fire might be able to counter that and i've already been told many times Smaug could easily overpower Elsa.

Originally posted by KingD19
No. Smaug loses. Elsa froze a portion of an ocean by walking across it. She froze a giant landmass that was her kingdom on accident. Smaug is so small compared to the things she's iced up in a very short time frame that he'd end up the same way.
But here are the things to show how powerful Smaug really is to prove he could overpower Elsa and possibly counter her powers and abilities:

Besides shrugging off being submerged in molten gold (which is the durability feat) and shaking the Lonely mountain, Smaug's fire breath was shown to have reignited massive forges, tends to heat up the surroundings, fill up some larger areas like tunnels or hallways, capable of blowing through the main gate-wall of Erebor within a few seconds and has even left a huge long fiery trail of destruction in his path all the way across the entire Laketown.

Let's face it, as a villain Smaug can never truly shine until he decides to pull a Loki. All endearing characters have to be able to reshape their core values at some point.

Elsa wins

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Elsa wins
But didn't you read/hear that Smaug shook the Lonely mountain while Gandalf was terrified of him (while so many other people not of this thread said Smaug will win) or did you mean Elsa freezes him in less than a second (or half if it) at the start of this?

Originally posted by Tyrannoraptor
But didn't you read/hear that Smaug shook the Lonely mountain while Gandalf was terrified of him (while so many other people not of this thread said Smaug will win) or did you mean Elsa freezes him in less than a second (or half if it) at the start of this? The latter is what he means. Actually he means 2 seconds or less.
If she can freeze him in 2 seconds or less then she can win

Originally posted by h1a8
The latter is what he means. Actually he means 2 seconds or less.
If she can freeze him in 2 seconds or less then she can win
So Smaug ends up (getting extinguished/pulverized) like a blown out candle in a blink of an eye if/when (&/or before) he tries to use his fire breath to counter the freezing?! But (i thought) Smaug could jusr try to use his fire breath melt the ice & counter the freezing just before it could reach Smaug.

Originally posted by h1a8
The latter is what he means. Actually he means 2 seconds or less.
If she can freeze him in 2 seconds or less then she can win Bingo.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Bingo.
But couldn't Smaug just try to use his fire breath melt the ice & counter the freezing just before it could reach him?

Originally posted by Tyrannoraptor
But could Smaug just try to use his fire breath melt the ice & counter the freezing just before it could reach him?

Nope. Elsa wins via better abilities.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Nope. Elsa wins via better abilities. So Smaug ends up (getting extinguished/pulverized) like a blown out candle in a blink of an eye right at the start of this match if/when (&/or before) he tries to use his fire breath to counter the freezing?!

Originally posted by Tyrannoraptor
So Smaug ends up (getting extinguished/pulverized) like a blown out candle in a blink of an eye if/when (&/or before) he tries to use his fire breath to counter the freezing?!

He loses, Whirly.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
He loses, Whirly.
But Elsa freezing a country is a stretch and it was progressive that it didnt happen instantly & we have never seen Smaug get damaged by ice do so it hasn't been clearly known what will actually happen as a result (while i thought Smaug's fore breath might be enough to counter her ice abilities as size might not necessarily matter) or did you mean Elsa will become a hero for stopping/eliminating Smaug (& the freezing curse can only be cured with/by an act of true love)?!

Originally posted by Tyrannoraptor
So Smaug ends up (getting extinguished/pulverized) like a blown out candle in a blink of an eye if/when (&/or before) he tries to use his fire breath to counter the freezing?! But (i thought) Smaug could jusr try to use his fire breath melt the ice & counter the freezing just before it could reach Smaug. I think Elsa powers dont necessarily have to travel in a direct beam. Stuff was shown being frozen instantly (like the town or creating her castle fortress) from a distance like magic. Im thinking she could freeze Smaug's body without sending a direct frontal beam at him (to be countered). Im not sure it would take 2 seconds or less though. If she freezes his insides organs first then maybe its a go.

Originally posted by h1a8
I think Elsa powers dont necessarily have to travel in a direct beam. Stuff was shown being frozen instantly (like the town or creating her castle fortress) from a distance like magic. Im thinking she could freeze Smaug's body without sending a direct frontal beam at him (to be countered). Im not sure it would take 2 seconds or less though. If she freezes his insides organs first then maybe its a go.
But Elsa's freezing doesn't usually start right straight from inside one's body & Smaug might just got to breathe his fire around him if he tries to counter it.

Originally posted by Tyrannoraptor
But Elsa's freezing doesn't usually start right straight from inside one's body & Smaug might just got to breathe his fire around him if he tries to counter it. I'm speculating. Since her powers work instantaneous (like teleportation) like magic then it is reasonable to assume that she can manifest her powers inside beings magically as well.

I don't know who wins this. If she can freeze him in less than 2 seconds without needing to point and shoot then she can win. But that has to be argued.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm speculating. Since her powers work instantaneous (like teleportation) like magic then it is reasonable to assume that she can manifest her powers inside beings magically as well.

I don't know who wins this. If she can freeze him in less than 2 seconds without needing to point and shoot then she can win. But that has to be argued.
Of course we're not so sure who would win but in the movie, her powers weren't even shown/proven to immediately and directly manifest from the inside the opponent's body unless it did hit one like with (it coming closer to) direct physical contact just like this.

Originally posted by Tyrannoraptor
Of course we're not so sure who would win but in the movie, her powers weren't even shown/proven to immediately and directly manifest from the inside the opponent's body unless it did hit one like with (it coming closer to) direct physical contact just like this.

Elsa can also make her powers just appear anywhere without it coming directly from her body (in a beam). Look carefully at 2:28. The snow in the left of the screen. An ice structure just magically appears.


look at this

Originally posted by h1a8
Elsa can also make her powers just appear anywhere without it coming directly from her body (in a beam). Look carefully at 2:28. The snow in the left of the screen. An ice structure just magically appears.


look at this

Bingo!

Originally posted by h1a8
Elsa can also make her powers just appear anywhere without it coming directly from her body (in a beam). Look carefully at 2:28. The snow in the left of the screen. An ice structure just magically appears.


look at this But it takes place outside on a wide landscape and when she first started creating an ice castle it just come directly from her leg with/via physical contact on the ground before making it rise (which shows it's coming right from her while the rest of her powers particularly come directly from her hands) so this might not be proof the if she could manipulate ice right from inside anyones' body (even from a distance without even touching)!

Originally posted by h1a8
Elsa can also make her powers just appear anywhere without it coming directly from her body (in a beam). Look carefully at 2:28. The snow in the left of the screen. An ice structure just magically appears.


look at this
Also, what i've meant is that when she's conjuring the ice around her, (that's most likely/possibly because) she's in the ice structure that she's making it rise after she steps her foot on the ground (so that doesn't seem to prove she could even conjure the ice in someone's body)!

Elsa wins.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Elsa wins.
Ugh dang, this is nearly getting a bit too one-sided & (so i guess/doubt) all Smaug possibly gotta do is surround himself with his own fire breath as fire melts ice.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not sure it would take 2 seconds or less though but Elsa can also make her powers just appear anywhere without it coming directly from her body (in a beam). I wonder if Smaug would end up just like this but just because she can conjure ice out of nowhere might not necessarily mean she could conjure it right (directly) from inside the opponent's body from a distance (far) without being near or even touching!

Now this looks like it seems that Elsa's tier at here seems to exceed way above (this version of) Smaug's abilities.