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let's say mjolnir was laying on the ground and the following characters attempted to pick it up with physical strength alone, like the avengers roster did in AOU.. what would happen?

1. thanos
2. ronan w. power stone
3. captain marvel (assume she is not worthy)
4. kurse
5. hela
6. surtur
7. dormammu

From what we've seen the few times people tried, no. Hulk broke the ground trying to lift the hammer and he was plenty mad. Mjolnir was basically glued there and didn't move a millimeter. He also tried to catch it and got yanked clean off his feet if I recall. If Hulk couldn't even budge it, then unless we see something that makes them more powerful than Odin, it shouldn't be possible unless you're someone like Ego or a Celestial. The simple fact that you're unworthy takes any amount of physical strength out of the equation. You need something else to disrupt or override the enchantment's stipulations.

Originally posted by KingD19
From what we've seen the few times people tried, no. Hulk broke the ground trying to lift the hammer and he was plenty mad. Mjolnir was basically glued there and didn't move a millimeter. He also tried to catch it and got yanked clean off his feet if I recall. If Hulk couldn't even budge it, then unless we see something that makes them more powerful than Odin, it shouldn't be possible unless you're someone like Ego or a Celestial. The simple fact that you're unworthy takes any amount of physical strength out of the equation. You need something else to disrupt or override the enchantment's stipulations.
^^^

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Watching that scene again makes it seem like Mjolnir gets proportionately heavier the stronger the person is trying to pick it up. Luke Hulk is heavy, but he shouldn't have shaken the entire deck like that just from falling on his butt. If your strength is a 10, Mjolnir weighs 11. It's like running down a hallway where the door at the end is always too far to reach.

Originally posted by KingD19
From what we've seen the few times people tried, no. Hulk broke the ground trying to lift the hammer and he was plenty mad. Mjolnir was basically glued there and didn't move a millimeter. He also tried to catch it and got yanked clean off his feet if I recall. If Hulk couldn't even budge it, then unless we see something that makes them more powerful than Odin, it shouldn't be possible unless you're someone like Ego or a Celestial. The simple fact that you're unworthy takes any amount of physical strength out of the equation. You need something else to disrupt or override the enchantment's stipulations. But Hela held it without her feet destroying the ground or her being yanked forward with Mjolnir.
So you are saying that Hela was worthy (or used magic to override Odin's enchantment) since she was the original owner?

Originally posted by h1a8
But Hela held it without her feet destroying the ground or her being yanked forward with Mjolnir.
So you are saying that Hela was worthy (or used magic to override Odin's enchantment) since she was the original owner?

Her pointing out how it was originally her hammer made it seem like she was exempt from the enchantment. Whether through her own magic or something else, she was able to stop it's momentum and palm it like a basketball. Even Kurse didn't do that, he slapped it away which seems within the rules of the enchantment since a closed fist isn't trying to hold it so at that point it's still a super hammer, but no enchantment.

Originally posted by KingD19
Her pointing out how it was originally her hammer made it seem like she was exempt from the enchantment. Whether through her own magic or something else, she was able to stop it's momentum and palm it like a basketball. Even Kurse didn't do that, he slapped it away which seems within the rules of the enchantment since a closed fist isn't trying to hold it so at that point it's still a super hammer, but no enchantment.

So you agree that it wasnt purely strength Hela used to perform the feet (hold it and also prevent it from returning)?

We see what you're trying to do. her crushing Mjolnir was a strength feat.

Originally posted by Silent Master
We see what you're trying to do. her crushing Mjolnir was a strength feat. No one mentioned the crushing part

You're not fooling anyone.

Originally posted by h1a8
But Hela held it without her feet destroying the ground or her being yanked forward with Mjolnir.
So you are saying that Hela was worthy (or used magic to override Odin's enchantment) since she was the original owner?

Hela never tried to lift or wield Mjolnir. What she did was stop it from hitting her.

On that list the only character I'd wager could overpower the enchantment is Dormammu.

^What NemeB said.

Someone on that list besides Kurse and Hela might be able to manipulate the hammer in some manner (swat it away, destroy it), but overpower the enchantment, none with the exception of possibly Dormammu, due to being a multi-cosmic-level entity.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
let's say mjolnir was laying on the ground and the following characters attempted to pick it up with physical strength alone, like the avengers roster did in AOU.. what would happen?

1. thanos
2. ronan w. power stone
3. captain marvel (assume she is not worthy)
4. kurse
5. hela
6. surtur
7. dormammu

Hela already held the hammer.

Originally posted by NemeBro
On that list the only character I'd wager could overpower the enchantment is Dormammu.


Originally posted by Robtard
^What NemeB said.

Someone on that list besides Kurse and Hela might be able to manipulate the hammer in some manner (swat it away, destroy it), but overpower the enchantment, none with the exception of possibly Dormammu, due to being a multi-cosmic-level entity.

Yeah, if we're including onscreen statements, Dormammu is a multiversal being. Wong states in Dr Strange that Dormammu wants to invade "every universe" to add them to the Dark Dimension. And the official MCU guidebook reaffirms that he is a multiversal and multidimensional being.

Originally posted by h1a8
But Hela held it without her feet destroying the ground or her being yanked forward with Mjolnir.
So you are saying that Hela was worthy (or used magic to override Odin's enchantment) since she was the original owner?


No. Shes just that strong.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hela never tried to lift or wield Mjolnir. What she did was stop it from hitting her. She held it

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No. Shes just that strong.

But the ground didn't get damaged nor did she get pulled forward (her feet weren't glued to the ground)

So?

Originally posted by h1a8
She held it


She didn't lift or wield it nor did she even try to move it around. We already know that Mjonlir's momentum can be somewhat messed with, as Kurse had previously redirected it and both Loki and Cap outright block strikes from it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No. Shes just that strong.

Yup. That was a pure act of strength or magic that mimics strength. not overpowering the enchantment, as you see the hammer trying to push through her grip but it can't.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AfraidTerribleAnt-size_restricted.gif




Anyone else find Blanchett sexy AF as Hela?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, if we're including onscreen statements, Dormammu is a multiversal being. Wong states in Dr Strange that Dormammu wants to invade "every universe" to add them to the Dark Dimension. And the official MCU guidebook reaffirms that he is a multiversal and multidimensional being.

Dormammu
Hela.
Surtur. Probably.

Hela stopped the hammer in its tracks and crushed it with the easiest of ease, enchantment and all. Lifting it would be cake for her.

Originally posted by 9jaboy

Hela stopped the hammer in its tracks and crushed it with the easiest of ease, enchantment and all. Lifting it would be cake for her.

No, that's not the same thing. Mjolnir's enchantment stops people from lifting and wielding it. It does not make it completely unstoppable in its tracks, which is what Hela did. If it was unstoppable then nobody should be able to block hits from Mjolnir.

There's really no proof that Hela could actually move Mjolnir.

Eh, she could probably grab and move it on some level, but she would be actively fighting against the hammer's enchantment the whole time.

Originally posted by Robtard

Anyone else find Blanchett sexy AF as Hela?


Oh I thought that was just me !

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, that's not the same thing. Mjolnir's enchantment stops people from lifting and wielding it. It does not make it completely unstoppable in its tracks, which is what Hela did. If it was unstoppable then nobody should be able to block hits from Mjolnir.

There's really no proof that Hela could actually move Mjolnir.
But she not only stopped it in its tracks but crushed it along with enchantment placed upon it, and easily at that. Which Thor thought impossible by the way.

Originally posted by Robtard
Eh, she could probably grab and move it on some level, but she would be actively fighting against the hammer's enchantment the whole time. That's what I thought. From what was shown and implied, She was more than capable of overpowering the enchantment.
Valkyrie even said her power grew beyond Odin's control so yeah.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
There are multiple volumes by now. IIRC, this is the one with the Dormammu info:

https://www.amazon.com/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe-Guidebook-Guardians/dp/1302902407
^^^thanks!

Originally posted by Robtard
Anyone else find Blanchett sexy AF as Hela?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh I thought that was just me !
^^^she was hot af!!!

Originally posted by 9jaboy
But she not only stopped it in its tracks but crushed it along with enchantment placed upon it, and easily at that. Which Thor thought impossible by the way.

Yes, and if she removed her hand from Mjolnir it would have went ahead and smashed into her. That's not overcoming the enchantment.

And there's no enchantment on Mjolnir to make it indestructible either, which means that Hela crushing it (while impressive) has got nothing to do with the worhty enchantment on Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yup. That was a pure act of strength or magic that mimics strength. not overpowering the enchantment, as you see the hammer trying to push through her grip but it can't.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AfraidTerribleAnt-size_restricted.gif




Anyone else find Blanchett sexy AF as Hela?

Thor was trying to pull it back and she stop it from returning. You have it backwards.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So?

So Hulk's feet crushed the ground when he tried lifting it and Mjolnir took him off his feet when he tried to catch it. Neither happened to Hela which is evidence that it wasn't all strength with her.

Originally posted by FrothByte
She didn't lift or wield it nor did she even try to move it around. We already know that Mjonlir's momentum can be somewhat messed with, as Kurse had previously redirected it and both Loki and Cap outright block strikes from it. Hulk tried to catch and hold it and failed. It carried him off his feet and then fell to the ground (he couldn't keep it up in the air). Hela held Mjolnir. It should have fallen to the ground unless she used some magic to overcome the enchantment. Her feet didn't crush the ground while she was holding it either and neither was she taken off the ground when catching it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor was trying to pull it back and she stop it from returning. You have it backwards.


That's speculation, though it doesn't change the point either way, she used strength to stop and then hold the hammer while it tried to move. Try again, troll.

Originally posted by h1a8
So Hulk's feet crushed the ground when he tried lifting it and Mjolnir took him off his feet when he tried to catch it. Neither happened to Hela which is evidence that it wasn't all strength with her.

So you're saying that Hela might possibly have used magic to anchor herself so she could use strength to stop and then destroy Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's speculation, though it doesn't change the point either way, she used strength to stop and then hold the hammer while it tried to move. Try again, troll. The return force is weak as i proven in the other thread. The ground didn't get crushed while she was holding it (like Hulk did) and it didn't carry her off her feet either when she first made contact. That proves it wasn't purely strength (the prevention of it falling or her coming off her feet). The only part where strength played a role was preventing it from returning and crushing it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you're saying that Hela might possibly have used magic to anchor herself so she could use strength to stop and then destroy Mjolnir. Hela cant fly so she shouldn't be able to prevent the ground from caving in. Yet it didn't. Ergo she used magic (or it respected her as original owner over Odin).

So that is a yes, you're saying that Hela might possibly have used magic to anchor herself so she could use strength to stop and then destroy Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So that is a yes, you're saying that Hela might possibly have used magic to anchor herself so she could use strength to stop and then destroy Mjolnir. We are specifically talking about the holding part (not the stopping or crushing). She has no ability to levitate or fly therefore the ground wasn't crushed and therefore used magic (or was preferred by Mjolnir) to prevent it from falling.

Originally posted by h1a8
The return force is weak as i proven in the other thread. The ground didn't get crushed while she was holding it (like Hulk did) and it didn't carry her off her feet either when she first made contact. That proves it wasn't purely strength (the prevention of it falling or her coming off her feet). The only part where strength played a role was preventing it from returning and crushing it.


False. The return force is not "weak", as Thor said in Ragnarok to Loki, "You know that nothing will stop Mjolnir as it returns to my hand. Not even your face!."

"Nothing" being the functioning word there, meaning Mjolnir could bury it's way through a planet or greater, if it had to due to its enchantment.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/a0ef18d1644514597e7626ad192e68fc/tumblr_p2wsfzfBdw1sejmmmo5_540.gif


Seriously, watch the movies before you do your nonsense trolling, you're just coming off as ignorant. You're done here.

Ok, So that is a yes, you're saying that Hela might possibly have used magic to anchor herself so she could use strength to stop and then destroy Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Robtard
False. The return force is not "weak", as Thor said in Ragnarok to Loki, "You know that nothing will stop Mjolnir as it returns to my hand. Not even your face!."

"Nothing" being the functioning word there, meaning Mjolnir could bury it's way through a planet or greater, if it had to due to its enchantment.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/a0ef18d1644514597e7626ad192e68fc/tumblr_p2wsfzfBdw1sejmmmo5_540.gif


Seriously, watch the movies before you do your nonsense trolling, you're just going off as ignorant. You're done here.

Showings that contradict that >>>>> statements.

Originally posted by h1a8
Showings that contradict that >>>>> statements.


Of which you didn't show...

Originally posted by Robtard
Of which you didn't show... Kurse is able to stop it with a tiny fraction of his strength (he batted it away which is multiple times just plain stopping it).

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, and if she removed her hand from Mjolnir it would have went ahead and smashed into her. That's not overcoming the enchantment.

And there's no enchantment on Mjolnir to make it indestructible either, which means that Hela crushing it (while impressive) has got nothing to do with the worhty enchantment on Mjolnir.
Well the OP asked who can overpower the enchantment with strength though. Not render the enchantment null.
I don't know if she can nullify the enchantment (she prolly could) but She definitely can overpower it with her strength. Easily.
Mjolnir was beneath Hela, that much was certain.

Originally posted by h1a8
Kurse is able to stop it with a tiny fraction of his strength (he batted it away which is multiple times just plain stopping it).
How can batting it away be multiple times just plain stopping it?

Originally posted by h1a8
(or was preferred by Mjolnir) to prevent it from falling.


That's already debunked by Rob's gif showing Mjolnir clearly trying to move out of her grip. Clearly she didn't negate any magical enchantment and simply used strength.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
How can batting it away be multiple times just plain stopping it? Force equals change in momentum over time.
Batting something away is several times more change in momentum than just stopping it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That's already debunked by Rob's gif showing Mjolnir clearly trying to move out of her grip. Clearly she didn't negate any magical enchantment and simply used strength.

You ignored my argument though. The hammer didn't fall the moment she grabbed it like everyone else did (Hulk and QS). Her feet didn't cave the ground in (like Hulk did). That means she didn't use strength to overpower the worthy enchantment.

Originally posted by h1a8
You ignored my argument though. The hammer didn't fall the moment she grabbed it like everyone else did (Hulk and QS). Her feet didn't cave the ground in (like Hulk did). That means she didn't use strength to overpower the worthy enchantment.


No that just means she's much stronger than Hulk and QS.

And she's obviously not worthy LMAO. Neither was there any indication of her doing magic on Mjolnir before hand.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No that just means she's much stronger than Hulk and QS.

And she's obviously not worthy LMAO. Neither was there any indication of her doing magic on Mjolnir before hand. Her feet didn't cave the ground in. Why are you keep ignoring that? So how could it be strength that allowed her to keep Mjolnir from falling to the ground?

Originally posted by h1a8
Her feet didn't cave the ground in. Why are you keep ignoring that? So how could it be strength that allowed her to keep Mjolnir from falling to the ground?


Why would he cave fall to the ground when Mjolnir was coming at her horizontally?

Your anti-Marvel/Thor bias is ridiculous.

There was literally zero indication she used magic in that scene, and every indication she used strength.

Your hate for Marvel and Thor doesnt change a thing there.

h1 trying to pass off his headcanon as fact again.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Why would he cave fall to the ground when Mjolnir was coming at her horizontally?

Your anti-Marvel/Thor bias is ridiculous.

There was literally zero indication she used magic in that scene, and every indication she used strength.

Your hate for Marvel and Thor doesnt change a thing there. Everytime is was caught it dropped to the ground. She held it when it supposed to have fallen,

Impressive strength feat.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Impressive strength feat. The ground didn't cave. Therefore it wasn't strength.

Originally posted by h1a8
Everytime is was caught it dropped to the ground. She held it when it supposed to have fallen,


By individuals not as strong as Hela.



Originally posted by Silent Master
Impressive strength feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
The ground didn't cave. Therefore it wasn't strength.

Quote where that is stated in the movie.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Well the OP asked who can overpower the enchantment with strength though. Not render the enchantment null.
I don't know if she can nullify the enchantment (she prolly could) but She definitely can overpower it with her strength. Easily.
Mjolnir was beneath Hela, that much was certain.

Yes, and the enchantment we're talking about is the enchantment on whether someone can lift or wield Mjolnir, not whether or not they can stop Mjolnir from hitting them or whether they can break Mjolnir. That's not the same thing.

Hela's feat while clearly very impressive didn't show that she can somehow wield Mjolnir by pure strength.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, and the enchantment we're talking about is the enchantment on whether someone can lift or wield Mjolnir, not whether or not they can stop Mjolnir from hitting them or whether they can break Mjolnir. That's not the same thing.

Hela's feat while clearly very impressive didn't show that she can somehow wield Mjolnir by pure strength. Every time Mjolnir was caught it dropped straight to the ground. It didn't in Hela's case. She simply held it up while the ground didn't cave in.

Hela clearly had her fingers around it, but she wasn't "holding" it, she was "stopping" it. The mental gymnastics in this thread are insane.

Originally posted by h1a8
Every time Mjolnir was caught it dropped straight to the ground. It didn't in Hela's case. She simply held it up while the ground didn't cave in.

Mjolnir can fly on its own power. Why would it need to drop?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Mjolnir can fly on its own power. Why would it need to drop?

Ask the writers, they made it happen. Maybe it had something to do with the worthy enchantment. The moment someone grabbed it while it was flying, it dropped.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ask the writers, they made it happen. Maybe it had something to do with the worthy enchantment. The moment someone grabbed it while it was flying, it dropped.

Nah, everytime someone tried to grab it, it continued on its trajectory and dragged them along till it finished its trajectory. Hela was the only one to stop it in its path.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nah, everytime someone tried to grab it, it continued on its trajectory and dragged them along till it finished its trajectory. Hela was the only one to stop it in its path. Incorrect, it dropped instantly. The grab influenced its trajectory. Its trajectory would have taken it hundreds more, if not thousands, of feet away just from the visual (and also from the force he should be throwing Mjolnir with based off his strength). And Thor never had Mjolnir drop to the ground after it struck someone from a throw. He called it back while it was still airborne (after striking his target).

Why are people arguing with him again? I've said more than once that he has some dyslexic issue in which he comprehends thing the exact opposite as they really are. You are all wasting your time. He doesnt have the mental capability to understand.

Originally posted by tkitna
Why are people arguing with him again? I've said more than once that he has some dyslexic issue in which he comprehends thing the exact opposite as they really are. You are all wasting your time. He doesnt have the mental capability to understand.

Good point. I'll stop.

Originally posted by h1a8
Incorrect, it dropped instantly. The grab influenced its trajectory. Its trajectory would have taken it hundreds more, if not thousands, of feet away just from the visual


Firstly its not the writers who decide, its the directors. And Waititi is a different director to Whedon. That said:

https://youtu.be/SLD9xzJ4oeU


^ At 2:36

Hulk goes flying back with Mjolnir before it drops. No hint at all that Thor was attempting to send it hundreds or thousands of feet past Hulk.

https://youtu.be/IFNLQ3kgrEk

^ At 1:42 Kurse swats Mjolnir away in a different direction via brute strength alone. We dont assume HE used Magic. The Ground didnt Cave with him, so WHY would we assume/require those things for Hela.

And most damning of all here at 0:20:

https://youtu.be/SLD9xzJ4oeU

Spidey goes flying UPWARDS with Mjolnir.

IOW its very clear it depends on the Will of the user which direction Mjolnir propels itself towards.

Your butthurt over Thor and Hela though is hilarious as usual.

This effects all of us! The whole my dad can beat your dad thing is a miss, quantum entanglement dictates that the child, whichever plug, will age both parents and be immune himself!

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Firstly its not the writers who decide, its the directors. And Waititi is a different director to Whedon. That said:

https://youtu.be/SLD9xzJ4oeU


^ At 2:36

Hulk goes flying back with Mjolnir before it drops. No hint at all that Thor was attempting to send it hundreds or thousands of feet past Hulk.

https://youtu.be/IFNLQ3kgrEk

^ At 1:42 Kurse swats Mjolnir away in a different direction via brute strength alone. We dont assume HE used Magic. The Ground didnt Cave with him, so WHY would we assume/require those things for Hela.

And most damning of all here at 0:20:

https://youtu.be/SLD9xzJ4oeU

Spidey goes flying UPWARDS with Mjolnir.

IOW its very clear it depends on the Will of the user which direction Mjolnir propels itself towards.

Your butthurt over Thor and Hela though is hilarious as usual.
The hammer would have went further if Hulk wouldn't have caught it. Unless you want to argue that Thor tried to hurt Hulk with a throw that will naturally land 30-50ft away (i.e. extremely small velocity).

Kurse didn't grab Mjolnir so the worthy enchantment was not activated.

Your third video isn't Spidey.

Originally posted by h1a8
1)The hammer would have went further if Hulk wouldn't have caught it. Unless you want to argue that Thor tried to hurt Hulk with a throw that will naturally land 30-50ft away (i.e. extremely small velocity).

2)Kurse didn't grab Mjolnir so the worthy enchantment was not activated.

3)Your third video isn't Spidey.


1) Specilation. It depends on Thors will for Mjolnir.

FACT is Hulk went flying back with it.

2) PROVE worthy enchantment activates only when grabbing Mjolnir.

3) Ah and of course youve not seen the movies so without the correct clip you wouldnt have a clue what Im talking about

Its here:

https://youtu.be/aWPfO4PPK4s

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) Specilation. It depends on Thors will for Mjolnir.

FACT is Hulk went flying back with it.

2) PROVE worthy enchantment activates only when grabbing Mjolnir.

3) Ah and of course youve not seen the movies so without the correct clip you wouldnt have a clue what Im talking about

Its here:

https://youtu.be/aWPfO4PPK4s

Mjolnir would have kept going if Hulk wouldn't have caught it. Hulk's mass slowed it down which caused it to drop fast. Thor didn't will it to drop. Mjolnir with 0 momentum equals dropping straight to the ground (unless someone worthy or the ground is holding it up). Spider-Man never grabbed Mjolnir with his hand. So that doesn't count. He was carried but it would have dropped eventually. Otherwise Cap would have willed Mjolnir to continue to fly (he didn't will it at all).

Originally posted by h1a8
Spider-Man never grabbed Mjolnir with his hand. So that doesn't count. He was carried but it would have dropped eventually.

Dumbest argument you've made yet.

Originally posted by h1a8
Spider-Man never grabbed Mjolnir with his hand. So that doesn't count.


2nd confirmation in a row youve never even seen the films.

Thor1 makes it crystal clear you cant just use a secondary object to grab and shift Mjolnir. The worthy enchantment remains in place.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
2nd confirmation in a row youve never even seen the films.

Thor1 makes it crystal clear you cant just use a secondary object to grab and shift Mjolnir. The worthy enchantment remains in place. Confirmations can sometimes lead to false conclusions.

Then why can air grab Mjolnir?
What are you saying exactly?
If someone stops Mjolnir in the air and hold on to it while it is NOT moving then it will not fall or try to fall?

Originally posted by h1a8
Confirmations can sometimes lead to false conclusions.

Then why can air grab Mjolnir?
What are you saying exactly?
If someone stops Mjolnir in the air and hold on to it while it is NOT moving then it will not fall or try to fall?


It's you who is making assertions here, not me.

You're the one who claimed that as soon as someone grabs onto Mjolnir the enchantment kicks in and it immediately drops to the ground.

I've proven that claim false.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It's you who is making assertions here, not me.

You're the one who claimed that as soon as someone grabs onto Mjolnir the enchantment kicks in and it immediately drops to the ground.

I've proven that claim false.

You haven't proven it false. Spider-Man didn't grab Mjolnir. Otherwise you can say air is always grabbing Mjolnir.

Anyway, that point is moot anyway. The discussion is on how Hela was able to hold on to Mjolnir without it dropping. You guys would say strength. But that contradicts the fact that her feet didn't cave the ground in (like in Hulk's case).

Originally posted by h1a8
You haven't proven it false. Spider-Man didn't grab Mjolnir. Otherwise you can say air is always grabbing Mjolnir.



As I already explained, if you watched the actual movies, you would know a medium tool Cant be used to deactivate the enchantment.

You air argument is stupid. Just like the floor Mjolnir sits on isnt worthy not is the air. Its dependant on the Wielder of Mjolnir wills it to do.


Originally posted by h1a8
Anyway, that point is moot anyway. The discussion is on how Hela was able to hold on to Mjolnir without it dropping. You guys would say strength. But that contradicts the fact that her feet didn't cave the ground in (like in Hulk's case).


No its not Moot. Because we saw Mjolnir trying to escape her grasp and/or move past her hand (it was moving horizontally) which means thats what Thor was willing it to do. Shes also far stronger than Hulk.

Its really quite simple. You are just over complicating things for no reason.

Originally posted by h1a8
You haven't proven it false. Spider-Man didn't grab Mjolnir.

You should really watch the movies, it'll save you from making such retarded arguments.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
As I already explained, if you watched the actual movies, you would know a medium tool Cant be used to deactivate the enchantment.

You air argument is stupid. Just like the floor Mjolnir sits on isnt worthy not is the air. Its dependant on the Wielder of Mjolnir wills it to do.





No its not Moot. Because we saw Mjolnir trying to escape her grasp and/or move past her hand (it was moving horizontally) which means thats what Thor was willing it to do. Shes also far stronger than Hulk.

Its really quite simple. You are just over complicating things for no reason.

The moment Hela stopped Mjolnir's forward momentum (Thor tried to call it back after that happened) then it should have dropped.

Pick one:

1. You believe that it never lost horizontal momentum (went from trying to go forward to trying to go backward instantaneously).

2. You believe it lost it's forward momentum for a small moment before Thor tried to call it back.

I see that you're still working on your fanfiction.

Originally posted by h1a8
The moment Hela stopped Mjolnir's forward momentum (Thor tried to call it back after that happened) then it should have dropped



Youre still making your own fanfic canon.



Originally posted by h1a8

Pick one:

1. You believe that it never lost horizontal momentum (went from trying to go forward to trying to go backward instantaneously).

2. You believe it lost it's forward momentum for a small moment before Thor tried to call it back.


What we saw onscreen seemed like 1. But 2 could also be correct.

However nothing suggests that she overpowered the enchantment with anything other than brute strength. Nothing except your fanfic.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Youre still making your own fanfic canon.






What we saw onscreen seemed like 1. But 2 could also be correct.

However nothing suggests that she overpowered the enchantment with anything other than brute strength. Nothing except your fanfic. So she held it up and overpowered the lifting enchantment in your opinion?

Originally posted by h1a8
So she held it up and overpowered the lifting enchantment in your opinion?



It was quite clear her strength stopped Mjolnir, then crushed it. Yes.

Why is it so hard for some people to accept that Hela is strong enough to overpower the enchantment? She implied to be close to Odin's level and powered by Asgard itself.

Originally posted by Psychotron
She implied to be close to Odin's level and powered by Asgard itself.


Yeah. In fact Implied to Possibly be even stronger than Odin.

I wouldn't say Hela's stronger then Odin (because his lifeforce was enough to keep her trapped for thousands of years), but she is definitely very close to his level- close enough that she grew beyond his ability to control. Would be interesting to see a fight between them.

One theory Ive seen floating around is that Mjolnir "remembered" Hela from the days when she used to wield it, which may have been why the enchantment wasn't an issue for her.

Originally posted by Mendax

One theory Ive seen floating around is that Mjolnir "remembered" Hela from the days when she used to wield it, which may have been why the enchantment wasn't an issue for her.


Thats what h1 is trying to get at and propose as some kind of fact. But its speculation at best. The film only shows her overpowering Mjolnir via strength. No hint of her having control over it.

If they wanted to portray that, then they should have had her stopping it in mid air.

It is most definitely strength because originally they had Hela coming to Asgard and ripping the destroyer apart with her bare hands. That was something I read stated by Waititi

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It was quite clear her strength stopped Mjolnir, then crushed it. Yes. So if she held it up (prevented it from falling) then why didn't her feet cave the ground in like when Hulk tried to lift it?


Now don't get me wrong. She does have the necessary strength to overpower the enchantment, assuming the enchantment is weaker than the durability of Mjolnir.

Fictional inconsistency.

Originally posted by h1a8
So if she held it up (prevented it from falling) then why didn't her feet cave the ground in like when Hulk tried to lift it?


Now don't get me wrong. She does have the necessary strength to overpower the enchantment, assuming the enchantment is weaker than the durability of Mjolnir.

Don't you larp as a scientist or something? Why would her feet cave the ground? Hulk was pushing down with his legs when trying to lift Mjolnir up. Hela, on the other hand, was preventing it from moving forward/backwards. It would make no sense for her feet to cave ground like Hulk did given the direction of the forces involved.

Also, we don't even see her feet in that scence, so we have no idea if she caved in the ground or not.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Don't you larp as a scientist or something? Why would her feet cave the ground? Hulk was pushing down with his legs when trying to lift Mjolnir up. Hela, on the other hand, was preventing it from moving forward/backwards. It would make no sense for her feet to cave ground like Hulk did given the direction of the forces involved.

Also, we don't even see her feet in that scence, so we have no idea if she caved in the ground or not. So anyone can hold Mjolnir (prevent it from falling) if Thor places it in their hands?

Originally posted by h1a8
So anyone can hold Mjolnir (prevent it from falling) if Thor places it in their hands?

Thor didn't place it in her hands, he threw it at her and she caught at it and held it. When Hulk tried to do the same he went flying with the hammer because of the enchantment. Hela overpowered the enchantment. That's all there is to it.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Thor didn't place it in her hands, he threw it at her and she caught at it and held it. When Hulk tried to do the same he went flying with the hammer because of the enchantment. Hela overpowered the enchantment. That's all there is to it. It's a yes or no question and wasn't addressed to you. Stop trolling

What do you mean it wasn't addressed to him? you quoted him in the post you said it.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's a yes or no question and wasn't addressed to you. Stop trolling

You quoted me, genius. How can it possibly be addressed to anyone else?

Amusing isn't it. h1 directly responds to one of your posts(going so far as to quote it) and then when you respond. he claims that he wasn't addressing you. The best part is he can't even claim to have made a mistake as the post in question was two posts above his claim.

And then h1 had the nerve to tell him to stop trolling facepalm

I pity those poor school children.

Originally posted by Psychotron
You quoted me, genius. How can it possibly be addressed to anyone else? My bad. I confused you with Darth. Anyway it was a yes or no question.

Originally posted by h1a8
My bad. I confused you with Darth. Anyway it was a yes or no question.

How did you manage that when the post was literally right in front of you. it's not like it happened 5 pages ago.

Originally posted by h1a8
My bad. I confused you with Darth. Anyway it was a yes or no question.

The question isn't appropriate because that's not what happened in the scene. He threw is at her, so we can draw a direct parallel with Hulk.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The question isn't appropriate because that's not what happened in the scene. He threw is at her, so we can draw a direct parallel with Hulk. Concession accepted. I win

That makes your 60,379th win in the category of "worst debater", right?

Originally posted by h1a8
Concession accepted. I win

Nice try, but that shit didn't work for Quan and it certainly doesn't work for you.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Nice try, but that shit didn't work for Quan and it certainly doesn't work for you. It's the rules of debating. Failure to rebut and argument properly results in the loss of the debate.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's the rules of debating. Failure to rebut and argument properly results in the loss of the debate.


Except he did rebut it. You just ignored his rebuttal and claimed you won.

He's right that is a Troll tactic.

Congrats for taking over the crown from Quanchi.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's the rules of debating. Failure to rebut and argument properly results in the loss of the debate.

So all the times you didn't rebut an arguments properly mean you lost the debate?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Except he did rebut it. You just ignored his rebuttal and claimed you won.

He's right that is a Troll tactic.

Congrats for taking over the crown from Quanchi. He didn't. I asked a relevant question (which implies my argument). He refused to answer it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So all the times you didn't rebut an arguments properly mean you lost the debate? Yup

Originally posted by h1a8
It's the rules of debating. Failure to rebut and argument properly results in the loss of the debate.

So then you lost, because you changed the argument with your stupid "what if Thor places Mjolnir in Hela's hands?" question. Also, you failed to address the fact that Hela's feet are not even shown in that scene, so we have no idea if she caved the ground or not.

Nice try again, Quan Jr.

Originally posted by Psychotron
So then you lost, because you changed the argument with your stupid "what if Thor places Mjolnir in Hela's hands?" question. Also, you failed to address the fact that Hela's feet are not even shown in that scene, so we have no idea if she caved the ground or not.

Nice try again, Quan Jr. Her height didn't change.

Originally posted by h1a8
Her height didn't change.

This is the hill you want to die on? Hulk weighs many times more than Hela and he barely sunk an inch or two when trying to lift Mjolnir with all of his strength.

Again, this is irrelevant, because Thor threw the hammer at Hela, just like he did at Hulk, and we saw wildly different results. Hulk was carried by it due to the enchantment, while Hela overpowered it. This is a scene from a children's movie and you're confused by it. If you really are a teacher you should resign.

Originally posted by Psychotron
This is the hill you want to die on? Hulk weighs many times more than Hela and he barely sunk an inch or two when trying to lift Mjolnir with all of his strength.

Again, this is irrelevant, because Thor threw the hammer at Hela, just like he did at Hulk, and we saw wildly different results. Hulk was carried by it due to the enchantment, while Hela overpowered it. This is a scene from a children's movie and you're confused by it. If you really are a teacher you should resign. Hulk was carried because of the momentum. The hammer dropped shortly.
In Hela's case, the hammer didn't drop, nor did it cause her feet to cave in the ground.


So basically, the hammer can be held but not lifted up or the enchantment did not work on Hela. Duh.
Thats why the question was relevant.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk was carried because of the momentum. The hammer dropped shortly.
In Hela's case, the hammer didn't drop, nor did it cause her feet to cave in the ground.

Hulk was carried because of the enchantment. Now you need to ask yourself why Hela wasn't carried like Hulk.


Originally posted by h1a8
So basically, the hammer can be held but not lifted up or the enchantment did not work on Hela. Duh.
Thats why the question was relevant.

No, your question is idiotic. Once someone grabs the hammer the enchantment kicks in. Hulk and Hela both grabbed it when it was in motion. Hulk was carried by it, Hela didn't move. The only assumption that can be made here is that she overpowered it. This is further supported by the fact that she crushed Mjolnir with one hand.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The only assumption that can be made here is that she overpowered it. This is further supported by the fact that she crushed Mjolnir with one hand.


Also supported by Thor saying - this isnt possible - clearly in reference to the amount of raw power it would take to do what she did.


h1a8 youve lost the argument. Be a man for once and just concede. Or carry on confirming yourself to be the forum clown. Up to you.

Good point. Thor had never seen anyone hold the hammer against its will until Hela.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Hulk was carried because of the enchantment. Now you need to ask yourself why Hela wasn't carried like Hulk.




No, your question is idiotic. Once someone grabs the hammer the enchantment kicks in. Hulk and Hela both grabbed it when it was in motion. Hulk was carried by it, Hela didn't move. The only assumption that can be made here is that she overpowered it. This is further supported by the fact that she crushed Mjolnir with one hand. The enchantment is for lifting. Mjolnir isnt juggernaut and unstoppable. The power of its flight doesn't necessarily equal the power of its lifting enchantment. You are correct about the inconsistency of Hela not being moved by Mjolnir when Hulk was.


My take is that either
1. The enchantment prevents lifting, not holding.

Or

2. Hela override the enchantment since she possibly has more authority than Odin himself.

Hela is just that strong

Originally posted by Silent Master
Hela is just that strong


Yeah funny how he left that out of his list of possibilities.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah funny how he left that out of his list of possibilities. said list eventually turns into the matrix in gaba land

Disney world shit

And I squash pedos like a bug

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Originally posted by h1a8
It doesn't say that only the worthy can hold Mjolnir.
It implies that one can hold Mjolnir but won't be given the power of Thor necessarily (unless they are worthy). The "if" is the key.


You have absolutely no shame. You know very well that only the worthy can hold Mjolnir. This has been shown countless times in the movies. Hulk tried and failed. He didn't just not get Thor's powers. He was overpowered by the enchantment and carried like a rag doll. He then failed to move Mjolnir in any direction.

Originally posted by h1a8
Authority has nothing to do Odin ability to hold Hela. Remember Hela grew stronger than Odin can hold anyway.
So the released Hela >>> Odin.

Stop lying. Hela couldn't escape until Odin died. And authority has nothing to do with the enchantment. It's Odin's and Hela has no control over it.

Originally posted by h1a8


Authority has nothing to do Odin ability to hold Hela. Remember Hela grew stronger than Odin can hold anyway.
So the released Hela >>> Odin. She didn't grow stronger than Odin can hold, She was released because Odin died, If Odin was still alive she wouldn't have been freed simple. How did you even arrive at that conclusion?

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Originally posted by 9jaboy
She didn't grow stronger than Odin can hold, She was released because Odin died, If Odin was still alive she wouldn't have been freed simple. How did you even arrive at that conclusion? I stand corrected.