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No other franchise is more overrated than the Star Wars franchise as it really shows how bloated the franchise has become. Star Wars is so overrated and overexposed to the point that its called the number one science fiction fantasy franchise of all time. The fact that Star Wars has had a major cultural impact is very obvious, it was released over three decades ago, the movie exploded across the popular culture scene. It gets way too predictable when people mention the best TV shows, movies and merchandise it always has to be Star Wars. It's one very big impactful franchises in all of entertainment history. Star Wars day is that one informal commemorative day observed annually on May 4 to celebrate George Lucas' Star Wars franchise.

Star Wars has the most overdone parodies in pop culture that its not funny anymore.

Yeah no kidding, this just in... the sun is really really hot.

It was extremely unique for the time, the plot was fantastic, the characters were well-written, Darth Vader was and is a treasure.

Plus, it invented the lightsaber, literally one of, if not the coolest and most popular weapons in fiction, **** outta here with your phasers and magic swords.

Add in space magic which I'm pretty sure it was the first movie to ever have an element like that. A long forgotten past, a mind-blowingly amazing score, and some great dialog between characters, all these things combine to make something that's not only a classic, but a TIMELESS classic.

It doesn't matter where or when it came out there's no way it wouldn't take the world by storm.

Pew! Pew!

Obviously Star Trek is the better franchise.

I've never fully watched Star Wars. You are either a Star Wars fan or a Star Trek fan.

Not to mention it borrowed heavily (to say the least) from other things like Dune, Valerian, and John Carter. Which would be fine, except so many Star Wars fans have no understanding or appreciation for the things that inspired Star Wars.

Originally posted by rudester
I've never fully watched Star Wars. You are either a Star Wars fan or a Star Trek fan.

I like both, not equally to be sure, but one is just as good as the other in general.

Like DC and Marvel, it's ok to like different stuff.

I'd have to rewatch it to remember if I've seen it. Definitely forgettable.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Not to mention it borrowed heavily (to say the least) from other things like Dune, Valerian, and John Carter. Which would be fine, except so many Star Wars fans have no understanding or appreciation for the things that inspired Star Wars.

Thats harsh for Star Wars fans to bash those series, also don't forget that Flash Gordon helped inspire the series.

Love Flash Gordon, always made me so horny. I would masturbate like crazy to that movie.

Originally posted by Nuke Nixon
Obviously Star Trek is the better franchise.

Is Star Trek even at the same level of popularity that Star Wars has in current years?.

Not really, Discovery basically killed the franchise.

NuTrek with Chris Pine as Kirk in an alternate universe movie series screwed over TNG, DS9, and VOY.

It's a mess.

Originally posted by Nuke Nixon
Not really, Discovery basically killed the franchise.

NuTrek with Chris Pine as Kirk in an alternate universe movie series screwed over TNG, DS9, and VOY.

It's a mess. tbf, TOS is the only one that was good.

Sure Patrick Stewart is great, but the rest of the show is boring.

The Sequel Trilogy is just bad. All the magic is gone and the writing is lazy and predictable.

The Original Trilogy will always have a place in my heart.

prequel trilogy sucked as well. the only one that stood a shot at being an acceptable prequel episode was ep1, but jar jar blew his load all over those chances. and let's not forget the riviting tale of trade disputes

In 1977 when I was 10 and it was made for 10 year olds, it was the greatest thing on Earth. At 54, it's just a moment now. I enjoyed the prequels with my kids and the sequels because I have knocked a few out to Daisy.

Yayaaya jump on the hype train the second someone claims ms


This is the problem

Will there ever be a new generation franchise in the future that will dethrone Star Wars in popularity?.

Originally posted by Blakemore
I liked JarJar, the battle sequence at the end with him fighting the robots was awesome! I was 7!

I'm saying if the current sequel trilogy made brand new characters far worse than Jar Jar Binks.

Originally posted by robotflug
No other franchise is more overrated than the Star Wars franchise as it really shows how bloated the franchise has become. Star Wars is so overrated and overexposed to the point that its called the number one science fiction fantasy franchise of all time. The fact that Star Wars has had a major cultural impact is very obvious, it was released over three decades ago, the movie exploded across the popular culture scene. It gets way too predictable when people mention the best TV shows, movies and merchandise it always has to be Star Wars. It's one very big impactful franchises in all of entertainment history. Star Wars day is that one informal commemorative day observed annually on May 4 to celebrate George Lucas' Star Wars franchise.

Star Wars has the most overdone parodies in pop culture that its not funny anymore.

you can always stop watching so you do not have cry about it

https://i.imgur.com/TU5PJTu.png

From a more civilized age.

It's just coasting off of OT still. Though honestly as a very casual Star Wars fan I love Last Jedi and think it's a great film. Made Luke the most interesting he's every been. Rise of Skywalker was comically bad. And the prequel trilogy was shit except for Revenge of the Sith, which was a decent enough payoff, and really a masterpiece compared to the prior two piles of crap. Phantom Menance had promise but they flubbed it bad.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
you can always stop watching so you do not have cry about it

Just pointing out how overrated Star Wars has become as a huge franchise.

Originally posted by BackFire
It's just coasting off of OT still. Though honestly as a very casual Star Wars fan I love Last Jedi and think it's a great film. Made Luke the most interesting he's every been. Rise of Skywalker was comically bad. And the prequel trilogy was shit except for Revenge of the Sith, which was a decent enough payoff, and really a masterpiece compared to the prior two piles of crap. Phantom Menance had promise but they flubbed it bad.

I disagree with everything you said except this:

Originally posted by BackFire
It's just coasting off of OT still.

You're largely right there. Vader, Luke, Han, Leia still shift more merch than almost anything else. The only thing that competes at all is the Clone Wars and the Mandalorian, and even they are spun off of the OT in their own way anyway.

Originally posted by BackFire
Made Luke the most interesting he's every been.


I think Mark Hamills acting was great. He made the most out of the crap he was given. But man Lukes character arc was bad. I would honestly think Luke was a total d*** if not for Hamill sort of convincing me otherwise.


Interesting though the part that made most hate the film is the part that worked for you. Shows all film really is subjective.

Rogue one is the best Star Wars film.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Rogue one is the best Star Wars film.


Definitely the best of the Disney ones. Actually the only Disney one I really like.

R1 is the best Disney Star Wars film no question.

Solo really is underrated.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Solo really is underrated.

Way better than any of the ST films.

Originally posted by robotflug
No other franchise is more overrated than the Star Wars franchise as it really shows how bloated the franchise has become. Star Wars is so overrated and overexposed to the point that its called the number one science fiction fantasy franchise of all time. The fact that Star Wars has had a major cultural impact is very obvious, it was released over three decades ago, the movie exploded across the popular culture scene. It gets way too predictable when people mention the best TV shows, movies and merchandise it always has to be Star Wars. It's one very big impactful franchises in all of entertainment history. Star Wars day is that one informal commemorative day observed annually on May 4 to celebrate George Lucas' Star Wars franchise.

Star Wars has the most overdone parodies in pop culture that its not funny anymore.
Star Wars was/is famous due to OT and Expanded Universe works now declared Legends. BioWare's KoTOR was the next big thing after OT and set the stage for numerous works.

Disney had much lore to work with but rebooted the franchise and turned it into glorified mediocrity. Disney alienated a chunk of the fanbase by extension.

Taking your view at face value, it is overrated in its current form.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Rogue one is the best Star Wars film.
A gem from Disney.

It adds to OT only.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Solo really is underrated.

Yes.

"A Star Wars Story" series >>> ST.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Star Wars was/is famous due to OT and Expanded Universe works now declared Legends. BioWare's KoTOR was the next big thing after OT and set the stage for numerous works.

Disney had much lore to work with but rebooted the franchise and turned it into glorified mediocrity. Disney alienated a chunk of the fanbase by extension.

Taking your view at face value, it is overrated in its current form.


A gem from Disney.

It adds to OT only.

I cannot think of any other series that bests Star Wars in dethroning it in popularity.

I wonder how much Disney actually lost with Solo. Not just from poor box office (thanks TLJ), but from the mess that was actually making the damn thing. New directors, reshoots etc. That shit ain't cheap.

Originally posted by robotflug
No other franchise is more overrated than the Star Wars franchise
The MCU.

Originally posted by playa1258
R1 is the best Disney Star Wars film no question.


I thought so too, rewatched last night.


It may be the best film, but actually came across pretty weak. Too much ham fisted writing, too much trying to emulate the MCU with bad jokes and forced humor.

The Mandalorean is the only truely good Disney Star Wars live action.

Originally posted by cdtm


It may be the best film, but actually came across pretty weak. Too much ham fisted writing, too much trying to emulate the MCU with bad jokes and forced humor.



Sounds like you watched a different film.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sounds like you watched a different film.

The tactical droids constant stream of bad jokes, the blind masters levity, his chaingun partners straightman Moe to blind man's Larry

The cyborg radical guy and his almost comical farcical nature.


That's MCU in a nutshell, lot of forced humor and semi buffoonish villians. Iron Man did it, Thor did it, Black Panther did it.

Originally posted by cdtm
The tactical droids constant stream of bad jokes, the blind masters levity, his chaingun partners straightman Moe to blind man's Larry

The cyborg radical guy and his almost comical farcical nature.


That's MCU in a nutshell, lot of forced humor and semi buffoonish villians. Iron Man did it, Thor did it, Black Panther did it.

No, that's OT in a nutshell.

You're just looking for new ways to hate on Marvel, even though there is nothing to be found of MCU in Rogue One.

K2S0 was literally the only part of the film that lightened the tone a bit. Because aside from him it was pretty dark and grim. A war movie.

Nothing like MCU joke tbh.

Luke throwing the Lightsaber away in Last Jedi was a "trying to emulate the MCU" type joke. But it didn't work.

And let's not even get into the opening mum joke.

Cdtm just enjoys pissing people off, he knows he hasn't made a tiny little bit of sense since 2015.

It's his new posting style and it got him two bans so far.

Droid humor has been a part of SW since ANH. And Rogue One had the minimal amount of any humor in it.

A normal person telling a man in an insane asylum that gravity exists would naturally piss him off.


I'm also 100% correct that Mutants would never be hated in a world that worships The Sentry.

Originally posted by cdtm
A normal person telling a man in an insane asylum that gravity exists would naturally piss him off.


I'm also 100% correct that Mutants would never be hated in a world that worships The Sentry.

Not sure that would piss off an insane person. Except in the sense that anything might, be it true or false. So yeah you might just be making Stilts case here that youre not making the best arguments right now.

However I agree The mutant hate thing has always been a confusing issue in a world where the Avengers and FF exist. BUT Remember racists and haters are not logical thinking people.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
BUT Remember racists and haters are not logical thinking people.

Best example is cdtm himself

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Best example is cdtm himself


There are very good people on both sides.

Originally posted by cdtm
There are very good people on both sides. No racist is a good person.

I have no idea why people rate Rogue One. Apart from Vader's badassery at the end it was utter crap. There wasn't a single character that wasn't a one-dimensional miserable bastard and I didn't care one iota that any of them died except for the robot.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The MCU.

The Star Wars franchise is far more overrated than the MCU.

Citation needed.

MCU massively succeeding while Star Wars has simultaneously struggled under Disney has often led to the revisionism that Star Wars was never that good. It's in a weird spot now despite some successful shows. I don't see anyone really overrating SW now.

There was a theory Jar Jar was a Sith Lord. He had the eyes of one and could force jump.

The OG trilogy will always be one of the best sci-fi films because lightsabers and the concept of the Force were new, fresh ideas that time.

The prequels and sequels never lived up to the magic of the first trilogy (since everyone got used to the lightsabers and the Force magic religion thingy). But I will admit I did like Rogue One (ironically starring someone who didn't have any Force powers).

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
No racist is a good person.

No, but they sure do seem obsessed with living their dream of 1900's zero diversity.


Was pondering if there was a market there. Like, what if I founded a small studio who's motto was "Tired of diversity? Watch our movies, there are NO women in it. At all. And nothing but straight white men! And not Italian or Pollacks, I'm talking English and Irish whites!"

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
No racist is a good person.

Assuming you're talking about politics, there are racists on both sides so for once, cdtm isn't completely wrong.

Not that it lasted long... Posts like this for example:

Originally posted by cdtm
The tactical droids constant stream of bad jokes, the blind masters levity, his chaingun partners straightman Moe to blind man's Larry

The cyborg radical guy and his almost comical farcical nature.


That's MCU in a nutshell, lot of forced humor and semi buffoonish villians. Iron Man did it, Thor did it, Black Panther did it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Assuming you're talking about politics, there are racists on both sides so for once, cdtm isn't completely wrong.

Not that it lasted long... Posts like this for example:

In all seriousness, Rogue One was only good by comparison.

Doesn't make it "good".

Give me Serenity any day over Rogue One.

That's some broken logic right there.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Citation needed.

MCU massively succeeding while Star Wars has simultaneously struggled under Disney has often led to the revisionism that Star Wars was never that good. It's in a weird spot now despite some successful shows. I don't see anyone really overrating SW now.

It's like Star Wars will never be defeated by an even more popular franchise. What would it take for it to be bested by a new generation franchise?.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
That's some broken logic right there.


How do you figure? No one is calling Rogue One the best sci fi ever.


Firefly has been widely considered the tri-fecta of good sci fi drama, along with Farscape and Battle Star Galactica Reimagined.

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Originally posted by cdtm
How do you figure? No one is calling Rogue One the best sci fi ever.


Firefly has been widely considered the tri-fecta of good sci fi drama, along with Farscape and Battle Star Galactica Reimagined.


Not widely. They are all mostly cult followings.

BattleStar Galactica was pretty big though.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not widely. They are all mostly cult followings.

BattleStar Galactica was pretty big though.


Was Third Wave the one with the former porn star? Traci Lords, I think?

Never seen the show, just something I remember a friend telling me.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Not to mention it borrowed heavily (to say the least) from other things like Dune, Valerian, and John Carter. Which would be fine, except so many Star Wars fans have no understanding or appreciation for the things that inspired Star Wars.

We do appreciate it and understand it. Lucas synthesized dozens of sources to create a new myth.

You could complain forever about the things Star Wars borrowed from the Dune series, but it doesn't matter. Before Dune their was Asimov's Foundation. Before Foundation there was John Carter Of Mars etc. etc.

Originally posted by roughrider We do appreciate it and understand it. Lucas synthesized dozens of sources to create a new myth.

Cheers to you for appreciating it, but largely bearded, nose-picking man-children Star Wars nerds do not. The box office numbers betray your assertion...

John Carter: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2002617857/

Valerian: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3044902401/

For comparison, the at least equally problematic Force Awakens...

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2691925505/

This is just what happens when you get to the finish line first, which is what Star Wars did when Dune and John Carter spent decades existing only in book form. Maybe it isn't fair, but that doesn't change reality.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Cheers to you for appreciating it, but largely bearded, nose-picking man-children Star Wars nerds do not. The box office numbers betray your assertion...

John Carter: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2002617857/

Valerian: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3044902401/

For comparison, the at least equally problematic Force Awakens...

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2691925505/

John Carter and Valerian never had the benefit of having good movies in their respective cinematic universes preceding them. If Star Wars didn't exist on screen until The Force Awakens it wouldn't have performed as well as it did.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
John Carter and Valerian never had the benefit of having good movies in their respective cinematic universes preceding them. If Star Wars didn't exist on screen until The Force Awakens it wouldn't have performed as well as it did.

Nah, what they lacked was lightsabers.

Disney failed to make John Carter a hit so they gave up on it and never bothered to give it a reboot.

Maybe thats why they got the Star Wars franchise to replace John Carter.

https://twitter.com/ign/status/1460442758582345729?s=21

Another one bites the dust, but good riddance in this case. Makes ya wonder though when Star Wars will actually get to have a film again. At least they're being careful about what to release for the series on that medium though instead of being all willy nilly about it. After the ST they have to be cautious there.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
https://twitter.com/ign/status/1460442758582345729?s=21

Another one bites the dust, but good riddance in this case. Makes ya wonder though when Star Wars will actually get to have a film again. At least they're being careful about what to release for the series on that medium though instead of being all willy nilly about it. After the ST they have to be cautious there.



Theyve always had this issue. Remember the Boba Fett film, or the Game of Thrones guys doing a film or Colin Treverrow directing Episode 9?

So doesnt seem like much has changed. Although nice to finally get some kind of confirmation that Rian is out. Think its been obvious his film wasnt happening for ages, but he kept trolling fans making out hes still around.

I think fewer movies right now can be a good thing, after a sequel trilogy and two prequel films (the trilogy grossed $4.5 billion worldwide, while the other two combined grossed $1.5 billion, so the brand isn't struggling under Disney.) Let the hunger and demand build up for them and concentrate on the TV shows, which have been excellent.

Originally posted by roughrider
after a sequel trilogy and two prequel films (the trilogy grossed $4.5 billion worldwide, while the other two combined grossed $1.5 billion, so the brand isn't struggling under Disney.)


Which is mostly due to Force Awakens $2bill and Rogue Ones $1bill, from a time when Disney Star Wars hype was sky high.

But yeah theyre obviously not struggling, but they clearly are scared AF to put a new film out.

I don't think any Star Wars movies even bested Avengers: Endgame at the box office yet?.

Yet you say Star Wars will never be defeated by a more popular franchise and that it's somehow more overrated than the MCU. You just have some weird inferiority complex with SW.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yet you say Star Wars will never be defeated by a more popular franchise and that it's somehow more overrated than the MCU. You just have some weird inferiority complex with SW.

I'm saying how I find it confusing do to all the legions of Star Wars fans and how overrated the franchise is but they did not put all of their money in the box office to best endgame.

Star Wars cannot be defeated in being an overrated franchise but it somehow cannot make as much money as Endgame.

Overrated is an opinion, not factual. Any remotely big franchise has legions of fans, though wasn't aware Star Wars fans were obligated to compete with End Game, which is just Disney competing with Disney at the end of the day not unlike the Avatar vs End Game thing.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Overrated is an opinion, not factual. Any remotely big franchise has legions of fans, though wasn't aware Star Wars fans were obligated to compete with End Game, which is just Disney competing with Disney at the end of the day not unlike the Avatar vs End Game thing.

Star Wars still is indeed an overrated franchise. George Lucas's creation of the Star Wars saga has had a significant impact on modern pop culture with countless Star Wars references deeply embedded in pop culture.

So odd it was not Star Wars vs Avatar at the box office.

Such a tunnel vision argument. Avatar's source of success was the 3D gimmick which redefined how people watched films for awhile, but had no lasting pop culture presence whatsoever (almost as though it didn't exist). People forgot about it before long except when James Cameron fanboys occasionally brought up box office numbers.

If anything, Avatar's more overrated than Star Wars could ever hope to be. SW gets the kind of rating and respect it deserves because of its pop culture status, except when it occasionally has a bad film but that's something any franchise eventually suffers from. Still, it's something that stays with people.

Originally posted by robotflug
I'm saying how I find it confusing do to all the legions of Star Wars fans and how overrated the franchise is but they did not put all of their money in the box office to best endgame.

Star Wars cannot be defeated in being an overrated franchise but it somehow cannot make as much money as Endgame.



You expected them to put all their money into The Rise of Skywalker just to beat Endgame? Would have needed a much better film (and trilogy) to get people to do that.

Star Wars fans are not just blind fanatics that will put their money into any garbage just for the sake of claiming no.1 spot again.

Heck TROS was by far the lowest grossing of the sequel trilogy, so they didnt even want to put in enough money to beat either of its predecessors.

Yeah, there's that too. Surprised though that TRoS still apparently grossed over a billion, after what happened with Solo flopping. The latter's sales did barely surpass its budget at least, but man.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah, there's that too. Surprised though that TRoS still apparently grossed over a billion, after what happened with Solo flopping. The latter's sales did barely surpass its budget at least, but man.


Well it was still a main Saga film. Plus just general curiosity in how they were going to end this trilogy. Id be pretty surprised if it didnt gross a Billion tbh.

Solo was a bit too soon after the Last Jedi hate, and being a stand alone thing that curiosity wasnt there, nor was it an essential watch for the overall saga/story.